Hawks Squawks: Magic 104, Hawks 86

This is a problem for the Hawks. (STEPHEN M. DOWELL, ORLANDO SENTINEL)

This is a problem for the Hawks. (STEPHEN M. DOWELL, ORLANDO SENTINEL)

– Maybe it’s as simple as the Magic has Dwight Howard and the Celtics don’t. But that’s not very helpful in contemplating the Hawks’ chances should they draw the Magic in the playoffs.

– “This game is all about matchups, and I think we match up well with everyone but them,” J.J. said. “They pretty much have their way with us.”

—- Al’s not big enough to handle Howard. Jason Collins and Zaza aren’t quick enough. Woody’s schemes haven’t been effective enough. “We’ve got to figure it out,” Woody said. “We’ll go back and look at the tapes and see how we can do a better job against him at our place (for the final meeting on March 24). He’s a load down there.”

– “We don’t know what looks to throw at him,” Smoove said. “When we tried trapping him we had success with it, but I think we waited too late in the game to do it.”

– “They just have our number right now,” Al said. “We have to figure them out. We have to do a better job inside in the post, starting with me.”

– As it stands now, I don’t see the answer for the Hawks against the Magic. Neither does J.J.: “I am sure the coaches will come up with something but I don’t know what to do.”

– The trading deadline is approaching. So far all signs suggest the Hawks believe they are set with this group. Wonder if the possibility of Howard lifting the Magic to the division title and then dominating the Hawks should they meet in the postseason changes that thinking.

– Or maybe that would be an overreaction. Magic coach Stan Van Gundy wouldn’t bite when asked if the Magic has the Hawks’ number: “It’s not like a playoff series. I just don’t buy it. They’re coming in on a back-to-back. There’s just a lot of factors.”

– A legitimate footnote: the Magic twice has caught the Hawks on the second game of back-to-backs. That wouldn’t happen in the postseason. “I’m not blaming it on back-to-back games,” Woody said. “We’ve been fairly decent in back-to-back games but it’s just like the energy was sucked out of us in the third quarter.”

– The Hawks felt the officials didn’t help matters. They were called for 25 fouls to 15 for Orlando, and Howard attempted 18 free throws compared to the Hawks’ 20. “It’s tough to beat a great team like Orlando when you can’t get to the line,” Smoove said. “We were aggressive like they were aggressive.”

– Sure, the Hawks didn’t get calls against Howard. But is that ever going to change?

– Some guy named Ryan Anderson scored 16 off the bench for the Magic. Hawks reserves not named Jamal Crawford combined to score 11.

– That shooting foul called on Smoove against Jameer Nelson at the end of the half led to a five-point Magic lead instead of two. “I fouled him earlier (on the floor), and I thought they were going to call it,” Smoove said. “They didn’t, and then I bumped him again and they called it.”

– Woody got a technical after the buzzer. Nelson made the free throw to start the second half. The Hawks got within 57-54 on Mike Bibby’s 3-pointer but Howard had seven points during a 20-9 Magic run to close the period. “They picked it up defensively, and I don’t want to say fatigue set in but we looked very sluggish in the third quarter,” Woody said.

– At least Bibby was back to making open shots. But Jamal (6 of 17) was cold. Before the game, he was wistful about being an All-Star after the Celtics gave him some love.

– No more division lead for the Hawks. They did make it through a week that featured at Houston, at San Antonio vs. Boston and at Orlando at 2-2. “I’ll take it,” Al said. “This was a tough week. We obviously would have liked to have gone 3-1 but it was a good week.”

– I’m out, Hawks fans.

MC

138 comments Add your comment

kwooden1

January 31st, 2010
12:23 pm

Sid I think you make the strongest point in terms of what we can do against Orlando and Cleveland. We have to make them play us inside. Atlanta tried to go to Smoove in the post a lot but they didn’t go to Horford enough in the post. We have to make Howard, Shaq, Big-Z play some one-on-one defensive. Horford can face-up and attack Shaq and Big-Z. He should be able to face-up and take Dwight away from the basket. On the defensive side, we’re going to have to try different double teams to get him out of the right post. Overall I’m frustrated, but probably not as frustrated as the players and the coaches. I do believe they will get better and figure out a more effective strategy.

GO HAWKS!!!!

tiger woo

January 31st, 2010
12:34 pm

Fire Woody? In the middle of the season with a 30-16 record? How silly can you be? As if firing Woody will suddenly fix everything and the Hawks will cruise to the championship.

Any good replacements for Woody in mind? JeJe? Clyde?

I guess the Celtics should fire Doc Rivers since the Hawks beat them 4 straight, huh?

Orlando is simply a tough matchup for Atlanta – especially on a back to back night. No need to panic – do you think Boston is throwing in the towel because Atlanta swept them? No, they are going to work to get better and try to come out on top next time – just like Atlanta needs to do.

Wabe

January 31st, 2010
12:35 pm

It’s fairly obvious after our 3 meetings that we don’t matchup very well vs. Orlando. We had a great 1st half on our Thanksgiving day game, but then got blown away in the 2nd half. It seems that points are very hard to come by when we play them. We had a lull in the 1st quarter of that game, and that trend seemed to pickup throughout other portions of the game as well.

After watching the Hawks get 3 shots at them, it’s fairly obvious to me that we just can’t beat them. I think the playoff picture in the East will basically determine who walks out of the East this season. I think it’s obvious that both Hawks/Cavs fans don’t want any part of the Magic. C’s fans don’t want to see the Hawks. Magic fans would rather see the Hawks/Cavs.

Hawks don’t want Magic.
Magic don’t want C’s.
C’s don’t want Hawks.
And Cleveland is the wildcard.

Wabe

January 31st, 2010
12:42 pm

Cleveland may have the best record in the Eastern Conference, but Orlando has the best talent across the board, hands-down. They’ve got a talented starting 5 with the best bench in the East. I’d say they have the best bench in the league, but I’m gonna give the Lakers a slight edge over the Magic.

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tiger woo

January 31st, 2010
12:52 pm

Wabe,

Unfortunately, you can’t choose who you want to play in the playoffs. So if you want to win the East, you might as well be prepared for any matchup scenario that takes place.

The Hawks can beat Orlando – just need to play all 48 minutes – shoot better and play better defense – it’s that simple. And I guarantee you that the Celtics would love to get another shot at the Hawks in the playoffs.

Astro Joe

January 31st, 2010
1:06 pm

I’m not sure where to find this stat but I bet that Orlando’s bench has badly out-played the Hawks bench in the 3 games. It’s one thing to have problems handling Howard, it’s another when a Ryan Anderson, Jason Williams or JJ Redick do damage. But then again, that is the difference between an $80M payroll and a $65M payroll.. quality bench depth.

Jay-Bee

January 31st, 2010
1:36 pm

Having a big man who can attack big men like Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan and Shaquille O’Neal offensively and has the size to defend him one-on-one, with only occasional double-teams, is the only way to overcome “elite” teams like Cleveland, Orlando, San Antonio and the World Champion Lakers.

Speaking of the Lakers, rumors abound that they are willing to trade Andrew Bynum for Toronto’s Chris Bosh. The Laker braintrust knows that they play better when only Bynum or Gasol is on the floor than they do when both guys are on the floor at the same time.

With that said, I think the Hawks should seriously consider trading for Bynum even though the Lakers would probably want Al Horford in return. Both teams would probably have to add players to the mix to make the salaries work but wouldn’t this trade could help both teams resolve their biggest area of need?

boston

January 31st, 2010
1:38 pm

Why are Hawks fans so apathetic? Everytime I tune in to one of their games the place is half full and no one is cheering ….you guys have a great team and no one down there cares. Very weird.

hock

January 31st, 2010
1:58 pm

No question that having a relatively small power forward playing center is a problem, but equally problematic is tying up superstar cap space on one of the dumbest players in the NBA. You-know-who can jump like Dominique and make specular plays, but he takes quarters or even games off and is a cinch to make a stupid play at a critical time.

bigdave

January 31st, 2010
2:13 pm

though mixing in a pick and roll every now and then would be fine making it the staple of our offense could be a problem do to personnel. Bibby is a decent pick and roll guard at this point in his career due to his passing and shooting touch. as far as the screen setter, Josh is ideal due to his ability to finish at the rim however, he’s no threat to “pop” and take a mid range jumper. defenders would play him to take a jumper. teams that do this well have bigs (usually at PF) who can finish both in the paint and have touch from outside (the Boozer’s and Amare’s). not saying we wouldnt have success b/c occasionally we do when we run it. i am however for more of a motion offense… due to our overall good team passing…

Hawk n the Ham

January 31st, 2010
2:24 pm

Have we won 1 game wearing the alternate jerseys?

O'Brien

January 31st, 2010
2:32 pm

Guys,

Lets not get carried away. Although the Magic have our number, it does not mean that Woody should be fired. The Hawks have the Celtics number this season. Does that mean that Doc Rivers should be fired?

The problem for the Hawks is their gameplan against the Magic, and their execution. If our defensive gameplan says to double D12, sometimes we double team too quick, or we double team too late. And if we’re playing him one on one, we’ll do a good job until the very last second, and then the refs call a foul.

And then we get to the shooters too late when the ball is passed around. We need to step up our defensive intensity and play disciplined team defense. And the switching does not work against the Magic.

AJ,

Agreed. $15 mil goes a long way when it comes to bench players.

Is there anyway the Hawks can trade for Brendan Haywood and his $6 mil expiring contract? He is a 7 footer that would be very helpful if we meet up with Cleveland (Shaq, Big Z, and Varajao) or Orlando (D12, Gortat) in the playoffs.

sam'l

January 31st, 2010
2:42 pm

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cdog

January 31st, 2010
2:51 pm

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE INFORM RICK SUND TO DO SOMETHING TO BRING IN A BIG MAN. IN ORDER FOR THE HAWKS TO GET TO THEFINALS, THEY WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH EITHER CLEVELAND OR ORLANDO. RIGHT NOW, THE HAWKS DON’T HAVE THE ROSTER TO BEAT THEM. JASON COLLINS IS NOT THE ANSWER. SOMEONE PLEASE KICK SUND AND WAKE HIM UP TO THIS.

sam'l

January 31st, 2010
3:26 pm

Hawks winning at good percentage. Maybe if they are champs, Joe Johnson stay. Can’t trade him now. But if all is los trade him JJ for a big strong effective proven center…….Check tape of multiple Orlando losses to other teams, come up with defensive plan……Can DH run?….maybe the best way is to run and run and tire him out. Maybe a zone….Maybe turn Mario loose in a box and one….Maybe trap full court and take away time to set up. Maybe foul him every time and give him complex. Maybe do all of this in rapidly shifting scenarios. Woody needs your help….come up with the answer. Really, there is always an answer………This team is close…just solve the Orlando mystery and keep the ball away from Lebron the last 3 minutes…..

Grandad

January 31st, 2010
3:29 pm

Mid Year Assessment:

Too many good comments above to address each one.

#1.Don’t fire [can't believe I'm saying this] Woodson just yet.
*Interim coach counter-productive at this point.

#2 If I’m Mr Sund, it’s time to pin Joe down and get at least a gut feel for what he’s gonna do. If he’s leavin’, then, blockbuster time.

#3 It’s al’s team now. Like “chef Tim Dix” said with Josh as his right hand man. this fits in with [#2] letting Joe go. ‘Only if he does not want to be here’. I think maybe he is realizing it is no longer his team. He allowed it to occur due to his meek personality.

#4. David Stern is not gonna let the Hawks beat Orl. or Cleve. either for that matter. ‘vava74′ nailed it. The sequence in the 4th qtr. was
sickening. Loose ball [Zaza foul], Zaza/perfect pos. [moving screen] c’mon, DH, egregious ‘bulldozer’ charge [blocking call].

#5. ‘Big Daddy’ and others are correct. Play DH straight up.
“Hack-a-Shaq”. They have too many shooters to double.
He can’t hit his free throws anyway.
We have enough bodies to throw @ him.
Collins/Morris/Zaza/Smith/heck even Marv: thats 30 fouls.
Woodson said he had not figured out a plan on how to beat Orl. yet.
Have him call Big Daddy.

#6. Marv: maybe just maybe, he’s playing out of position. Maybe he’s
a [4] or a [5] thats just too awkward to play the [3]. Why not try
something different with him. Post him up, make him a cutter moving without the ball, something, anything to help him reach his enormous potential.

#7. Woody’s biggest shortcoming: Does not understand how to develop talent. Some people would say…look @ the growth of the team under Wdsn. Okay, lets, Ken Strickland preaches all the time: name who is here that began here with Wdsn. Josh? Yet people seem to think the team on the floor has been together with Wdsn. since they were rookies
six yrs. ago. (Diaw/Childress/Sheldon/Acie/SS/*Marv*/Teague). ???

#8. Start Teague. Bibby is now a role player. a situational 3 pt.scorer.

*Joe is probably an older player than his actual age, I’ll explain:
*due to his mileage, much like an automoble, Wdsn. has chalked up
alot of wear and tear on Joe. No disrespect at all to Joe. I’ve said before Joe is a very unique and valuable player!

dap01

January 31st, 2010
3:39 pm

Orlando has ATL’s number. Other teams play Orlando better than the Hawks. The Hawks play other teams better than they play the Magic. Obviously our game plan against the Magic is flawed. Why don’t we use 6 hard fouls per big man against Howard? Why do we retreat into the ISO offense when things tighten up?

JeJe

January 31st, 2010
3:40 pm

Woodson is obviously a moron. He said he doesn’t need to play Teague because he has Bibby and Crawford.

Um, Bibby has regressed severely and flat-out sucks now. He is only good for 3 point shooting. Jamal may start next year if Joe is gone.

Wake up you bald eyebrow-less idiot. You are screwing up our future

JeJe

January 31st, 2010
3:43 pm

Josh Smith should be traded for an actual big man. This guy has the worst post game I’ve ever seen. He is never in control, his hook shots look abysmal, and he keeps taking jumpshots now. Trade Smoove and Bibby for Al Jefferson and another player on Minnesota, or try nab Amare. Josh Smith was not robbed for not making the AS team. He is not good enough to make it. Pierce, Wallace, etc. are all light years better offensively and are mature. Smoove is an out-of-control athlete with little offensive potential in the post or shooting

dap01

January 31st, 2010
3:43 pm

Grandad: Good points! You mentioned moving Marvin thru screens without the ball. Is an NBA team allowed to do those things? Move without the ball…..screens…..? Don’t that require an offensive plan?

Ken Strickland

January 31st, 2010
3:47 pm

CDOG-name a BIG MAN that we could bring in that you are certain can do a better job of containing DHoward? Think about this. Woodson knows we’ve have trouble matching the overall size and length of both Cleveland and Orlando inside. His solution was to put a proven inside scorer like 6′11″ 260lb C/PF RMorris on the inactive list, in favor of 6′5″ SG/SF offensively limited MWest, and give 6′10″ 230lb C/PF Joe Smith a DNP COACHES DECISION. NOW THAT’S JUST PLAIN STUPID.

Hell, Teague can give just as much DEF hustle and ball pressure as MWest, plus a whole lot more OFF. Woodson simply isn’t imaginative, flexible, innovative, openminded, knowledgeable, forward thinking and/or confident enough to coach the Hawks to their maximum capabilities. While he’s done an admirable job to this point, the overall talent, youth, depth and versatility GM RSund has given him is beyond his ability to effectively handle.

I wonder if Sund and/or the ASG will be progressive enough to look past the teams won/loss record and make the right decision to hire another HC?

Grandad

January 31st, 2010
3:59 pm

dap01:
Thanks!
Mr. Stern does allow certain teams to screen.
You are correct sir: I forgot for a moment… we have no off. scheme.
Due to our current c.o.y. candidate who has no:
*plan,scheme,philosophy,attack,system,background,idea,or clue!!!

Grandad

January 31st, 2010
4:04 pm

Ken Strickland:

Amen!
Even though there are some scenarios [trade wise] that would/could help.
I fear they would just sit.

darrell starks

January 31st, 2010
4:08 pm

We need a center with out giving up 2 much maybe a 1st and that it for BIEDRINS,OR BRENDAN HAYWOOD me i say biedrins but brandon wouldn’t be bad either.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

cdog

January 31st, 2010
4:13 pm

GOOD POINT KEN STRICKLAND. RANDOLPH MORRIS SHOULD BE HELPING BUT FOR SOME REASON HE AND COLLINS AS WELL AS JOE SMITH ARE NOT GETTING THE JOB DONE AGAINST THOSE TEAMS. WHO DO SUND BRING IN?AMARIE STOUDERMIER, BYNUM, CAMBRY? I DON’T KNOW. BUT I DO KNOW SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE BECAUSE ITS LOOKS LIKE AFTER THE FIRST ROUND, THE HAWKS HAVE TO FACE ONE OF THOSE TEAMS AND WITH OUR CURRENT ROSTER, I DON’T SEE US ADVANCING ANY FURTHER.

darrell starks

January 31st, 2010
4:15 pm

BRENDAN HAYWOOD 6MILL A YEAR 30 YEAR OLD PTS 9.7 REB 10.5
ANDRIS BIEDRINS 9MILL A YEAR 23 YEAR OLD PTS 5.6 REB 7.7
witch player do we take?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!

darrell starks

January 31st, 2010
4:18 pm

We have 2 move marvin 2 the bench front line JOSH, HORFORD, HAYWOOD OR BIEDRINS.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

terrell

January 31st, 2010
4:30 pm

Still switching on defense against the Magic? Wtf! And for people saying Horford is too small to play center, he’s an ALL-STAR center. Haven’t you heard? Everyone has trouble with Howard.

darrell starks

January 31st, 2010
4:43 pm

Terrell we no horford made the all star but he is not a center, if you think this current hawks roster can make 2 the championship then you will be 1 disappointing hawks fan at the end, moving horford to power ford will make him a much better player plus it will take a lot of pressure of the team.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

catfish31015

January 31st, 2010
4:44 pm

Knew them boogers would lose. The Magic out-hustled them.

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January 31st, 2010
4:50 pm

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cp

January 31st, 2010
5:14 pm

In our recent two losses we needed all the size we have yet Woodrow chose to have a big sit in a suit just so he could have Mario on the activated roster. Enough is enough. We didn’t need nor need Mario. What we needed was some size and some guys to bother the opposing big men. We didn’t need an undersized sg who cant shoot nor dribble and is the most over hyped defender I have ever seen on the court… I know Woodrow loves Mario but that makes no sense what so ever to have him activated when you know we need all the size we have. Add in the fact that Joe Smith cant get any minutes and I’m just baffled by Woodrow at times…..Marvin is dang near invisible out there. If I wasn’t watching the games I would swear Marvin didn’t play for the Hawks. We have to get better production out of that sf position… Mo Evans is terrible defensively and a very streaky shooter… I don’t know think this team goes far in the playoffs as constructed.

JeJe

January 31st, 2010
5:20 pm

WOODSON NEVER TAKES RISKS WITH THE ROSTER. HE USES THE SAME DAMN ROTATION EVERY GAME, NO MATTER WHAT’S WORKING AND WHAT’S NOT. PATHETIC COACHING. GET RID OF THIS IDIOT AFTER THE YEAR AND GET A REAL COACH LIKE AVERY JOHNSON. THE GUY KNOWS HE WANTS TO COME HERE.

WE HAVE JASON COLLINS, ONE OF THE BIGGEST PLAYERS IN THIS LEAGUE, YET WE SELDOM USE HIM. LOL PATHETIC.

0-5 VS. ORLANDO/CLEVELAND LMAO

JeJe

January 31st, 2010
5:21 pm

WE NEED TO DOMINATE THIS FEBRUARY SCHEDULE. THERE’S NO REASON WE SHOULD NOT WIN THE NEXT 7 OR 8 GAMES

JeJe

January 31st, 2010
5:39 pm

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JeJe's Mom

January 31st, 2010
5:43 pm

JeJe, get off the computer son and come take your riddlin. Stop trying to talk with the grownups.

Ken Strickland

January 31st, 2010
5:44 pm

When Sund signed JCollins, JSmith and RMorris, who really improved over the off season, he thought he was giving Woodson the size, length and experience he’s always complained his bench was lacking. He even allowed Woodson to draft the PG he wanted in JTeague. What has been the result of Sunds efforts? Well, Teague has gotten the typical ALaw treatment, while JSmith, JCollins and RMorris have gotten the SJones treatment. In other words, they’ve all been grossly underutilized.

JJ, JCrawford, FMurray and Bibby are all veteran guards, and are the only players Woodson has allowed to have a real impact within his limited halfcourt OFF system.

In my last post, I asked a question about the resolve of Sund and/or the ASG to ignore our won/loss record and hire another HC. Well, I think they might try to play both ends against the middle by offering Woodson another short term contract with a lowball salary. If he accepts, they at least save money, although it will likely mean the possible trashing of another young guard’s confidence and/or career. If he balks, they get to hire another HC with him making the decision not to return.

O'Brien

January 31st, 2010
6:26 pm

Ken,

True Dat. Woodson’s moves are very frustrating. Joe Smith is a perfect backup for Josh, because Joe Smith can do something that Josh can’t. Hit the jumper more consistently. But Joe Smith does not get enough PT.

RandMo has a decent offensive game, and he is taller than Al. But yet he was in a suit (and its not like Al’s defense was shutting down D12 anyway). Plus that would have been 6 more fouls to use on D12.

And the switching defense does not work against Orlando. But Woody continues to switch anyway.

We have seen Cleveland trade for Shaq for one reason only, and thats to play D12 one on one in the playoffs. If the Hawks meet the Cavs or Magic in the playoffs, their size will give us trouble.

So, is there anyway the Hawks can put together a package for Brendan Haywood? He is a 7 foot Center who is averaging 10 pts, 10 rebs and 2 blocks per game (and I think ZaZa has regressed this year). He has an expiring $6 mil contract. Does anyone have any trade ideas/suggestions?

Eman

January 31st, 2010
6:42 pm

Lets say that we do trade for Haywood. Do really want Josh to play small forward? He does not have a jump shot and teams would just clog the lane. Also, Haywood do not fit the hawks game plan and that is to run run run. If we trade for him then we have to put him on the bench because he do not fit our game plan. I say that the hawks are stuck with their current line up.

tyger

January 31st, 2010
6:43 pm

Paper Mache II

Is 3rd place good enough? It’s sad to admit to, but in ATL, after 10 consecutive losing seasons – just to be back in the hunt is good enough. Expectations at the upper level are low, theyre happy not to be on the bottom and arent willing to rock the boat, even if the door is ajar.

BK used to say, the team was built for the post-Shaq era, but now they cant account for Lebron or DHoward. A trade makes sense, they are incomplete. The obstacles have been identified. Now its up to small pockets to pull the trigger.

vava74

January 31st, 2010
6:44 pm

Ken,

Looking at how the refs called fouls on Zaza and Collins, it would have been useless to put Joe and RandMo in. They would have been called all their fouls within 10 minutes of game.

I agree with what you say (those guys should be more utilized) but we were playing well until the refs took the game over. Read my post above again and you will certainly remember all those pivotal calls… And those were just the most striking.

vava74

January 31st, 2010
6:51 pm

MC,

Could you please talk to JJ and tell him that the fans out here believe that he should be more reivindicative of the fouls he does not get called in our favour and that he should look for more evident contact and just let a grunt go whenever he is touched…

We desperately need to get more FT called…

Heck, we are desperate! :-)

richbrave

January 31st, 2010
7:03 pm

“Woody’s schemes haven’t been effective enough. “We’ve got to figure it out,” Woody said. “We’ll go back and look at the tapes…….”

I strongly suggest you look at the WIZ-MAGIC game tape from several weeks ago. They started HAYWOOD off solo against him, then increasingly gave WOOD help as the game went on. After the first, I had an appointment, and didn’t tape the HAWKS-MAGIC game. Was BIG AL getting help late in the game?

richbrave

January 31st, 2010
7:06 pm

BTW WOOD is being shopped. He wants out of the circus as he is looking for his retirement contract. He’s just 30 and should be big enough to be effective on the HAWKS club, but he’s pretty slow – a grinder.

doc

January 31st, 2010
7:10 pm

ok to playthe game since these giys are on the block and might go in tandem …..to get your big man would anyone go after heyward and butler in a trade for marvin and al? to get something you usually have to give up something unless it is l a for gasol or the hawks for jamal. yes it can be done but unfortunately there are few bigs out there with expiring contracts that would fill the bill, say for randmo. that scenario would at least get rid of marvin and get a big that might be able to challenge howard and might work on some economic scale. two birds of ongoing consternation among blog nation with one trade but would we really be better?

doc

January 31st, 2010
7:14 pm

rb i was writing this as you posted, see i got the spelling wrong on haywood. heard today there is a sale on wiz players that they are cleaning house.

richbrave

January 31st, 2010
7:29 pm

doc:

Oh yeah,, big time. They want JJ bad from what I understand. Let’s make a dea,l and tell the ASG-POLLIN’s later. What do you say? HAYWOOD and BUTLER for JJ and your #1. BUTLER’s signed, but WOOD’s free after this season.

O'Brien

January 31st, 2010
7:32 pm

richbrave,

The Hawks need a grinder for the playoffs, because whenever a quality team forces us into a halfcourt game, we tend to struggle. Haywood would help us out there.

doc,

The problem with trading Marvin is his BYC status, so that would make it more difficult to move him before the end of the season (because his salry would only count at 50% value). Can we include the rights to Chills to make it even out?

Would the Wiz take Marvin, ZaZa, and the rights to Chills for Haywood and Butler?

richbrave

January 31st, 2010
7:38 pm

doc:

In that win against the MAGIC, they left WOOD free on SUPERMAN until he scored two times in a row. Then they sagged or doubled on him just to take him out of rhythm They then would go back to their normal defense until he got on a min-roll again, when they would switch defenses to get him frustrated, and back and forth the whole game. The idea was HOWARD beats you, but you can’t completely ditch your defense just for him. SAUNDERS drew up a hell of a good strategy against him. The HAWKS staff really ought to look at that tape.

Big Ray

January 31st, 2010
7:42 pm

Any trade you make has to be something your team chemistry can survive. Not only survive, but improve upon. Unless of course, you are planning several moves ahead. You can make a trade that doesn’t seem to make great sense now, but will make much better sense when you’ve made your other moves in the offseason. That’s tricky, of course. And I won’t refer to what I’m thinking about. :twisted: