Hawks Squawks: Hawks 100, Celtics 91

(Curtis Compton ccompton@ajc.com)

Celtics put out a hit on J.C. so he hit 'em first (Curtis Compton ccompton@ajc.com)

– Good, tough win for the Hawks. The Celtics were mad. The Hawks were ready. Philips (fourth sellout) was hyped.

– The tone was set before the game when Celtics center Kendrick Perkins called out Jamal Crawford: “We put a hit out on him today. Doc said somebody‘s got to step up and stop him.”

– “He owns us,” Rivers told his team.

– He still does. Crawford scored 28 points, including 18 in the first half, while dancing through the Celtics defense. He even had a 45-footer to end the first quarter and then uncharacteristically showed some real swag.

– Rivers said the Celtics had to “make (Crawford) score different ways,” and so he did. He went right at the Celtics despite the “hit” put out on him. He was 7 of 7 on free throws.

– Crawford heard about Perkins’ comments just before the Hawks took the floor. He got the word to his teammates. “I was kind of fired up, but I wasn’t too worried about it” Crawford said. “They can knock me down, and I’ll get back up. I know my teammates got my back.”

– You knew it was on when Perkins elbowed Smoove after he wrapped him up under the basket. The officials, who were bad both ways all night (that’s Tony Brothers for you), somehow determined Smoove deserved a flagrant foul.

Woody got a technical for arguing that call. “Playoff game,” he said. “They (officials) let it go both ways. Bodies were flying around everywhere.”

– “They let it be known that it was going to be a physical game,” Mo Evans said. “They thought they were going to come in and bully us. We had that same mentality. We were going to be physical and protect our home court.”

– The Hawks led 53-41 at the half. Then the Celtics slowed the pace, ratcheted up the intensity and clawed back in it. They scored 32 points in the period, including 19 free throws, and limited the Hawks to two fastbreak points after they had 25 in the first half.

– “We’re better when we’re up and down,” Woody said. “Playoff basketball, a good team can force you into a halfcourt game. You’ve got to be able to execute.”

– It wasn’t always pretty–J.J. (16 in the fourth quarter) and Crawford were good separately, not so good as a unit–but the Hawks made enough plays down the stretch. More importantly, they didn’t back down.

– “We won’t stick our chest out yet,” Crawford said. “But we can stand up and look them eye-to-eye. We’ve got a lot of respect for them but we don’t fear anybody.”

Mike Bibby’s defense was bad even by his standards. He played just nine minutes, three after halftime. His absence wasn’t really noticed. That’s two clunkers for Bibby since making those big shots to beat Houston.

Paul Pierce was a force. Mo did just about all you can do against him.

KG isn’t yet KG. Once he is back for real, he no doubt will make a big difference should the Hawks see the Celtics in the playoffs.

– Doc held back ‘Sheed when he approached the Hawks while they were celebrating after the game. It turned out ‘Sheed just wanted to give the Hawks some dap.

– “They played hard for four games,” Pierce said. “They took care of business, like we did to them last year.”

– That’s what you call grudging respect. It’s a start.

– Now the Hawks are off to Orlando to protect their Southeast Division lead. “We haven’t figured them out yet,” Woody said.

– I’m out, Hawks fans.

MC

97 comments Add your comment

vava74

January 29th, 2010
11:28 pm

Sautee,

You are looking at the whole blogging thing waaaay to seriously.

Nonetheless, I apologise if I offended you or your wife. That was not my intention since my words were not meant to be read literally. I even added a nice smiley face to break the ice since it was just a figure of speech…

As for your view on JJ in particular, it was not the first time that you (and your wife) judge JJ based on a lack of external manifestations of joy, leadership or unselfishness all based on what you can see on TV.

I think it is unfair to judge JJ like that.

JJ is averaging 20-5-5 (roughly) which should be a pretty good indication that he both scores, hustles and shares the rock.

Further to this, he is WIDELY perceived by his peers and by the experts as one of the most balanced players in the NBA and that includes considering him an elite defender.

Obviously, he does not match up well against everyone (Nate, for instance), but to forget his performances in which he completely shuts down some of the most dangerous opponents it is again unfair (there you are also wrong Astro) specially when he has to overcome day in day out Bibby’s lack of defensive capabilities.

All this came after you complained heavily against JJ in a game which we were winning. The fact that he only had 1 assist does not mean that he was not working out there to get things done, specially on defence where stats are more deceiving.

JJ is a great player and if he leaves, it will be very difficult to replace and our record will suffer.

All in all, I think you look at JJ with a more critical eye than you do other players. It’s only human and not the cause for a riot.

I was just pulling you chain in a moment of joy. It’s 4.20AM here in PT and to be honest, I am certifiably mad for still being up so late just for this “post game jousting”.

vava74

January 29th, 2010
11:57 pm

Sautee,

read nire’s post on this matter. I had no ideia of your age, hence my kind of humour was miss guided.

If you had said the same to me, I would not have been offended, neither my wife would.

Heck, her humour is way more caustic than mine: a couple of years ago during a friend’s birthday dinner she joked, while speaking to a district attorney that when men hit their wifes they should no complain because the beatings were good to reactivate the blood circulation (something which many women complain about) we all laughed and the DA laughed the hardest.

On the other hand, if I ever laid a single finger on her once, you can bet your touche that I would never ever see her again, nor our daughter.

You see, words are just words, provided that we are all on te same page.

I thought we were and I was wrong: hence my apologies.

As for the breakdown on where and when you said that JJ was selfish, I prefer to apologise again! It’s almost 5am over here!

niremetal

January 29th, 2010
11:57 pm

Sautee,

It does not take much reading between the lines to see what your opinion of JJ is. Vava need not apologize for making what is a legitimate inference from your many posts criticizing JJ for not passing the ball more, for not showing more enthusiasm for his teammates’ successes, etc. It’s perfectly legitimate for him to use a word that describes the overall impression made by posts. It’s petty and whiny to demand a retraction or an apology for him using a word as shorthand for the overall tenor of your posts even if you yourself never used the word that VAVA chose to describe your opinion.

So stop with the indignation. It’s not warranted.

niremetal

January 30th, 2010
12:01 am

Of course, he DID apologize. But that makes a bigger man for doing it, not you for unnecessarily demanding it.

niremetal

January 30th, 2010
12:01 am

(Not incidentally, Vava, Sautee also demanded that I publicly apologize for my own posts that he claimed contained “false accusations.” I too acceded to his demand.)

bigdave

January 30th, 2010
12:22 am

Big Ray…

though im sure it gets overlooked due to my undeniable support i am critical of Joe’s play when it deserves criticism. just not one of those that choose to be unappreciative….

Astro…

not to mention the defense he’s played on legitimate pf and center post scorers (i dont think he’s been scored on)… how many 2 guards can do that?

maybe if Joe was a bit more of a RARA!! chest beating, pixy dust throwing guy he’d be liked more. maybe he needs to act hurt and tell everyone how hurt he his all the time instead of just shutting up and coming to work…

bottom line, Joe stepped up when we needed him.. like Portland, like Cleveland in Cleveland, like Bos.

rusty

January 30th, 2010
12:48 am

vava
my ass the celtcs adjusted. i have been watchng nba since the 1953 & i never seen anyone ever trying to dominate the ball like jj did,not even the superstars of today. when wilt did he would score 50 or 60 points a game. thank god he got hot or we would have
had to run him out of town. that was the most sefish & disgusting display of team play.
it seemed that he thought that he was the only player on the floor. i hate to see basketball
played this way.jc is one hell of a better player than joe. his selfishness is the main reason we get blown out of games. we will never win a champonship with joe johnson.
i hate his style of basketball,he is an ahole

Grandad

January 30th, 2010
1:17 am

I apologize for everything I have ever done. Therefore, I promise to never do it again, whatever it was. Now, where was I ?

Somebody said in an earlier post, (nire, I think) that we older guys are a little touchy about making sport of the missus.
That IS ‘most’ accurate. Taboo. Don’t do it. Very bad etiquette.
What confuses me is why you younger guys think any differently?

I’m, once again, sorry! Once again I won’t do it again. Whatever it was?

mak

January 30th, 2010
1:28 am

Interesting piece of news. If the Hawks take care of Orlando tomorrow, then the Hawks will remain the second seed on Sunday. And do you all know what the means?

Woody gets to coach the Eastern All Stars :D . Nice!

[Rules state the coach of the all star team is the coach with the best record, 2 Sundays before all-star Sunday. If the coach with the best record coached the all star team the year before, then the coach with the second best record coaches the team]

Grandad

January 30th, 2010
1:34 am

By the way: ‘Pros & Cons’
*Joe Johnson is a very good and most unique player.
*He plays the way he does because Woodson allows/encourages said play.
*He is perplexing in his demeanor. [as a teammate]
*I suspect he is about to do to us, exactly what he did to Phoenix.
*I’m not sure it will bother him to leave this team that has grown up around him.
*It will be difficult to replace his skill set.
*The offense should be more diverse and less stagnant without him.
*Al is ready to assume the leadership role if he has not already done so.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

January 30th, 2010
2:08 am

Woody said they haven’t figured out Orlando yet – that does not bode well for tonight’s game…Maybe he had his poker face on when he made that comment. Nice analysis on JJ, Grandad.

jj

January 30th, 2010
2:25 am

I,like most of you are preplexed because I know when the Hawks watch film they see what happens when Joe goes solo and also see the difference when the move the ball around and shsre.I can’t belive Woody is that blind.I also hope he saw that the Hawks are better with Bibby sitting.I don’t understand why JT only got 4min.This TEAM could really be something if Joe and Woody growJoew as much as Smooth has.Joe,you don’t have to be the Star for this Team to shine.When Isiah Thomas learned this lesson,the Pistons became champions.Woody,this could happen to your Hawks if you and Joe wakeup and see what I know the film shows.

jj

January 30th, 2010
2:30 am

Sorry for all the errors in my post above.I am talking about the misstypes,not the observations.

JSS

January 30th, 2010
3:11 am

Rusty…
One name: Marvin Barnes! Joe Johnson never has, never will, and should not ever be conjectured to be called the most self-centered player in the last 40 years to participate within any teams offensive system…

Mac-Town'z Finest 478

January 30th, 2010
4:39 am

Here’s our problem with the Magic. The Orlando Magic are basically the 2.0 version of the Hawks. The love to shoot jumpers, so do we. They have more firepower in that department than us.

We have Al Horford (a good guy down low)
They have a FORCE in Dwight Howard.

X factors for us…Josh and Crawford???

Guys are just gonna have to suck it up, give it all they have…and leave everything out on the court.

Marcus

January 30th, 2010
7:15 am

what just happened? I see apologies and folks rushing to someones defense…

I agree ……. I literally braced myself when went to iso-Joe last nite, esp. with a lead and the C’s whittling it down. It would seem OK if there was rhyme or reason why we go to isolation plays, but it seems like JJ has the green light “whenever”, not just flow of the game or a mismatch. That is what is killer …. and what killed us (along with rushed jumpers and ill-advised/rushed shots) in the 2nd half of our Thanksgiving game vs. ORL (where we also had a double-digit halftime lead).
JJ balled in the 4Q but his iso game brought the C’s back (along with them getting a foul call when we breathed on them) in the 3Q.

Marcus

January 30th, 2010
7:30 am

by the way .. might be last season of iso-Joe: I could see the Hawks letting Joe test FA and just move Crawford up to starting SG and letting Teague become 6th man off the bench. Then you can spend this years draft pick (or option on the rights of past years’ picks) for a reserve PG to back up Bibby.
My speculation is all dependent on contracts recently signed or with 1 or more years remaining (Bibby, Crawford).

Mac-Town'z Finest 478

January 30th, 2010
7:32 am

Has anyone checked the Hawks schedule the rest of the way???? It’s VERY VERY favorable. We have a stretch right before and after the all star break with 6 of 7 on the road…and 3 of those are against Washington, The Clippers, and Golden State. The the rest of the way it looks like 85-90% of the games are against mediocre and below teams….with every game against really good teams AT HOME except for 2… roadies with Cleveland and Charlotte.

I wouldnt be shocked if the Hawks finished
56-26

allen

January 30th, 2010
7:59 am

Trade Bibby!!!!

dap01

January 30th, 2010
8:06 am

Great win. JJ was great, JC was great. Not real fond of the iso and non ball movement. Why does JJ and JC not mesh too well at times? Teague should continue to worked in, Bibby is fading.

I am glad that the Hawks were not bullied by the Celtics. Great game.

hawks_4_life

January 30th, 2010
8:14 am

I WONDER IF FINALLY THE HAWKS WILL BE CONSIDERED AS BEING AN ELITE TEAM IN THE EAST? FUNNY HOW TO BE AN ELITE TEAM YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT “SUPERSTAR”. WHAT WILL THE CRITICS SAY NOW?

RA

January 30th, 2010
8:22 am

I was over at celticshub.com. I accessed it through the celtics ESPN page. Their writer Zack Lowe referred to Crawford as, and I quote, “the Sixth Man Who Should Die of Gonorrhea and Rot in Hell” Now, whether “the difference,” Jamal Crawford’s alias, will translate into a championship for this team, I really don’t know, but one thing’s for absolute certain, he’s made a profound affect on the Boston Celtics over the course of this regular season.

RA

January 30th, 2010
8:31 am

I’ve always wondered why when a Kobe Bryant or a Le Bron James, or, dare I say it? a Paul Pierce takes over a game, it’s brilliance, but when JJ does it, it’s selfishness. Here’s a bottomline, the Celtics had decided that Crawford was NOT going to beat them in the 4rth quarter, and unless some of you see something that I don’t, nobody else was exactly lighting it up last night. AND, and this point can’t be overlooked, the kept leaving Joe Johnson one on one WITH DEFENDERS THAT COULDN’T GUARD HIM!!! Now, some of you can say what you want, and I’m sure that you will, but there is no substitute for having a star that can bring you home late in a game. The Hawks actually have two of them. If you don’t believe me when I tell you how important that is, ask the Lakers or the Cavs, or the Celtics.

JeJe

January 30th, 2010
8:36 am

I feel like ZaZa could’ve played more minutes last night

JeJe

January 30th, 2010
8:37 am

We have a chance in February to really make some noise. Our schedule is very light — yes we have lost some games we should’ve won, but if we play like last night, we can seriously go on a loooong winning streak

JeJe

January 30th, 2010
9:30 am

Why the hell does AJC not post half my stuff?

We had a nic win last night but are we seriously going to have any chance tonight? We haven’t come remotely close to competing against Orlando (or San Antonio or Cleveland) in recent memory. Why can we not compete against these teams? Orlando is so deep that if you took Jameer, Vince, and Rashard off their team, we’d still lose. Redick and Anderson are amazing assets to have off your bench

JeJe

January 30th, 2010
9:31 am

People in Cleveland know Jamal owns them too. THE GUY SHOULD HAVE THE BALL ON EVERY PLAY. HE IS BETTER OFFENSIVELY THAN JOE

Bastin Socks!

January 30th, 2010
9:33 am

What can u say about J. Crawford. Some call him the truth; some call him the difference; He is “THE TRUTH THAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE” !!!!!!

go hawks

RA

January 30th, 2010
9:38 am

There’s only one TRUTH, and that’s Paul Pierce, but Crawford has been the difference more than once.

Bastin Socks!

January 30th, 2010
9:41 am

Yeah PP is the truth but….he’s kinda like the old testament truth; the new testament truth is JC….

RA

January 30th, 2010
9:46 am

I don’t know about old testament, but last night the Celtics seemed old period.

Sautee

January 30th, 2010
9:59 am

I found this to be humorous:

The same person who said this:

“So stop with the indignation. It’s not warranted”

Was the person who was totally indignant that I would have the NERVE to criticize Joe Johnson the way I do.

Nire just wants the whole blog to post the way he sees fit. And it you don’t, he’ll attack you. Not so egalitarian there, nire.

You know, the world will not end if someone disagrees with you.

niremetal

January 30th, 2010
10:14 am

Sautee,

BS. I don’t jump down the throats of people simply for disagreeing with me. And you know it. I don’t criticize people who criticize JJ. Just you, because back in the day you DID used to make balanced posts, but now you just criticize him when he does poorly and give him credit when he does well. THAT is what I take issue with. And it’s something you can’t refute with a straight face, because you didn’t say a damned thing when JJ shredded the Celts early this month, but managed to find time to criticize him twice before halftime last night.

I take issue with people who are haters. That’s what you’ve devolved into with regard to JJ. Just because I called YOU out, don’t pretend I do that to EVERYBODY. Because you know that’s not true.

Oh, and you’re the only one around here that I’ve ever seem demands demands public apologies or retractions from people. And I’ve seen you do it twice in the past 2 months now. What was that about the world not ending if someone disagrees with you? Please.

niremetal

January 30th, 2010
10:17 am

Start giving credit when JJ does well, and you won’t see me say a damned thing to you for criticizing him when he does poorly. I know you’re capable of it. So do it. And don’t get mad at me just because I called you out when you didn’t.

niremetal

January 30th, 2010
10:21 am

*I don’t criticize all people who criticize JJ.

Rod from College Park

January 30th, 2010
10:27 am

Did Marvin play yesterday? Pierce really looked worried when OUR BEST PERIMETER DEFENDER Marvin was checking him. LOL

Sautee

January 30th, 2010
10:37 am

nire,

Are you denying your indignation?

No, you’re deflecting it by saying it’s towards me only. Yeah, right. Well for THIS blog, ok.

And with you being a lawyer, I’m stunned that you think it’s ok to make a false statement about someone in a public forum, and NOT have a retraction seem necessary.

I guess it’s that “generation” thing. My generation seems to care more about “your word is your bond”.

Or shall I just start making false statements about you? Would that be ok?

vava74

January 30th, 2010
10:37 am

Rod,

Marvin had a very good final stretch defensively, including drawing an offensive foul on KG.

He also knocked a jumper in crunch time after missing one a few minutes earlier.

A less than stellar performance overall, but hardly a bad one.

justahawkfan

January 30th, 2010
10:43 am

The way some of us feel about J.J.’s play, his value to team and should we choose between him and Crawford is a little off point. We don’t have to choose we have them both. JJ doesn’t do everything correctly and do get tunnel vision at times(shot selection, forcing shots) but the things he does well far out weighs that one negative. He’s our best on the ball defender, a good rebounder,good assist man and a good team mate. Wanting to trade him is like getting rid of the best girl you ever had because she had ugly toes.

niremetal

January 30th, 2010
10:44 am

Sautee,

You did say something false about me. You said “Nire just wants the whole blog to post the way he sees fit. And it you don’t, he’ll attack you.”

That’s not true. Will you retract it?

O'Brien

January 30th, 2010
10:53 am

When the Celtics played Orlando Thursday night, they played Howard one on one, and the shooters were only 6-20 from 3.

Last night, Nique said he would play Howard one on one. Let him get 30 (foul him and send him to the libe if you have to), but stay on the shooters.

We tend to double Howard. I hope Woody plays him one on one. Use up all our fouls (Howard shoots under 60% from the line).

Astro Joe

January 30th, 2010
10:54 am

nire and Sautee, you guys are making me long for my days of battling Ando. Sniff, sniff… fond memories… sniff, sniff.

“Memories, like the four corners of the court. Many bloggy-colored memories of the way we were. Shattered opinions, of the picks we left behind…”

Sorry, sometimes, I just break out in song… going to take my meds now.

niremetal

January 30th, 2010
10:54 am

I was indignant, but not simply because you criticized JJ. It was because you criticized him now (and you have been doing so more and more during the past couple months) but didn’t give him credit when he did well.

I don’t want a retraction from you, Sautee. This is a BLOG for the love of pete. EVERYONE says things that are not literally true. So why is it that YOU are the only one who demands public apologies and retractions? There are plenty of people from your generation on here, and they don’t do it either. So why is it that you, amongst all people who are the recipients of critical posts that are not literally true, are the only one who demands public apologies and retractions?

And btw, what Vava said wasn’t even false. He was using a word that characterized your overall posts about JJ. Those posts, taken as a whole, portray JJ as a ballhog who does not care about his teammates. The fact that you may never have actually said the word “selfish” is not at all the point. If I said “Bibby doesn’t try very hard on defense and takes a lot of defensive plays off,” it wouldn’t be unfair for someone to say “That’s not true – Bibby isn’t lazy on defense” because “lazy” is a useful shorthand to describe my post about him. So it wasn’t even a false accusation. It was shorthand for an inference he drew from your posts. Nothing wrong with that.

Sautee

January 30th, 2010
10:54 am

Nire,

From your 11:57 last night:

“It’s perfectly legitimate for him (Vava) to use a word that describes the overall impression made by posts.”

Well if THAT’S legitimate, then so is my “overall impression” that “Nire just wants the whole blog to post the way he sees fit. And it you don’t, he’ll attack you.”

Of course if it WASN’T valid for Vava to say what he did, then I DO owe you an apology. ;-)

Sautee

January 30th, 2010
10:58 am

Astro Joe,

I needed that hearty laugh. Thanks.

O'Brien

January 30th, 2010
10:59 am

doc,

With Bibby sucking it up the last 2 games, I think Woody should start finding more minutes for Teague, because Bibby is clearly on the decline.

I really like Bibby’s attitude though. he doesn’t complain about his minutes, and he seems just as happy once the team wins.

niremetal

January 30th, 2010
11:04 am

Sautee,

Well if THAT’S legitimate, then so is my “overall impression” that “Nire just wants the whole blog to post the way he sees fit. And it you don’t, he’ll attack you.”

Exactly. It was legitimate for you to say that, even though it wasn’t true. So you know what I did?

Did I demand that you retract it? Nope.

Did I demand that you publicly apologize? Nope.

I made a post where I refuted it. THAT is how blogs work. It doesn’t work by being the literalism police and demanding public apologies when people criticize you in a way that you feel mischaracterizes what you’ve said. You tell them why what they said was a mischaracterization and you leave it at that. You don’t get indignant and demand a public apology/retraction.

Astro Joe

January 30th, 2010
11:06 am

OB, I agree that we should try to defend Howard one-on-one but that will likely require some help from Bacon Jason. But let’s be honest, Perkins is a far better defender agianst Howard than Horford. And while allowing Howard to score 30 may be acceptable (and I think it is as long as you defend the other players), it can’t result in foul trouble for Horford because we need him on the offensive end. Perkins can be a one dimensional player for the Celtics, we really can;t do that with Al.

Teague may need to do something in practice to earn his get-out-of-jail card. While Bibby struggles, Crawford, Evans and Mario may get the time.

Sautee

January 30th, 2010
11:07 am

So if I blog the way you see fit, then I’m ok, right?

Do you not hear yourself?

Sautee

January 30th, 2010
11:10 am

Nire,

This is getting old and stinky. No more.

Just scroll when you see my name.

niremetal

January 30th, 2010
11:11 am

Lol…whatever, Sautee. You’re the ONLY one who demands public apologies. Fine, go ahead and keep on doing it. You can blog however you want. I myself won’t demand an apology from you for doing it. I will call you out for it. Because on blogs, that’s what people do.

niremetal

January 30th, 2010
11:16 am

No dice, Sautee. You frequently make good points on here. I’ve tried to make 2 points today: 1) It makes little sense to demand public apologies on a blog; and 2) you shouldn’t just criticize players when they do poorly without also giving them credit when they do well. Having made my points (however much you may disagree with them), I’m more than happy to move on.

It would be a boring as hell blog if I just ignored you and other people who make good points but also do things I don’t like. So I won’t scroll. Like you, I’m free to say whatever I want on here, and (like me) you are of course free to respond and refute.

jhan

January 30th, 2010
11:22 am

RA – agree totally with your take on JJ. If the Hawks let JJ leave this team takes several steps backwards.

What is with the double standard for JJ? When he takes over a game he is considered selfish. When he defers to his teammates he’s considered weak & not a real superstar. I guess some people will never be satisfied.

doc

January 30th, 2010
11:23 am

o’b agree, bibby looks like he is slumping bad, his effort is there just no results. still feel teague is wandering around too much, kind of like acie did. yes, he has his moments like last night’s block which followed his own mistake if i remember. mario isnt the answer either unless he takes us to the holy land tonight and leads us out of the wilderness and valley of darkness in orlando tonight. woody has got to find a clue before he finds the answer first with these guys. woody just do something different, that would be a start.

rofl@aj

boys time to get ready for the magic and provide woody a clue for tonights game as he doesnt have one yet.

nire and sautee, kiss and make up.

will our boys go out and get this one so they can get their coach a seat at the all star game? stay tuned.

doc

January 30th, 2010
11:31 am

ra i think you are going to see a different line up at the end of games hat leaves bibby out and crawford in allowing jj the one on ones you speak of.

last night the way crawford had his way with boston, i felt he could have dribbled between two blades of grass. it was too funny when he did it one time and two c’s were on the floor and he was going to the line with a foul called on them, too.

Astro Joe

January 30th, 2010
11:37 am

The Hawks aren’t the only team with a 3-game jauggernaut (Spurs-Celtics-Magic). Celtics go from Magic-to-Hawks-to-Lakers.

I know this may cause a little controversy and maybe I am clouded because he didn;t look good against us this season, but I am NOT impressed with Rondo’s offensive game. He is a great defender and is an incredible rebounder for his size. His quickness is above average but he’s not exactly Tony Parker fast. And he has very little confidence in his shot. There were several possessions where he just dribbled and dribbled and dribbled because we were able to defend the other players and he has NO jumper. So he just dribbled and waited for someone to get open… incapable of creating a quality shot for himself.

rusty

January 30th, 2010
11:37 am

i wish that joe would learn to pass to crawford,o i forgot that he really dont pass to anyone.
all who watch hawk games know he gets all of his assists when he passes to someone
on the perimeter with time running out

jay dub

January 30th, 2010
11:47 am

Bibby is going to have a breakout game tonight.

Since he only played ~9 minutes last night, he’ll be rested; because he’s been sub-par the past 2 games, he’ll be motivated; and because he’s playing against a 3 point shoting team, he’ll feel the need to perform likewise.

Big game from hime tonigh, might be what the Hawks need to get past the Magic.

bigdave

January 30th, 2010
11:50 am

gotta run them off the 3 point line tonight…

darrell starks

January 30th, 2010
11:58 am

Good win last night but woody have 2 be carefull joe lately have been up in 40min or more a game.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!

richbrave

January 30th, 2010
12:00 pm

LIZARDS slither into MSG to get another azz-whuppin’ by the K-menS.

darrell starks

January 30th, 2010
12:01 pm

O’BRIEN i agree with you bibby has not been up 2 par lately its time for Teague 2 get more min.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!

doc

January 30th, 2010
12:15 pm

aj that was his mo leaving kentucky as well. no he didnt look the confident leader as he has in the past.

Ken Strickland

January 30th, 2010
1:30 pm

Again, I didn’t get to see the gm, so someone please tell me what happen with Bibby and why he played so few mins? Was he injuried, in foul trouble, or just stinking up the court again? Why is there no shortage of distractors constantly wanting Marvin benched or traded for alledgedly not producing, but no outcry for benching Bibby’s slow, NO D, none penetrating, nonproductive butt. There’s certainly been no shortage of weak excuses offered for continuing to play him extended mins, and keep Teague buried on the bench.

Tonights gm will be a good test for Woodson. Will he continue the same strategy double teaming DHoward, which hasn’t come close to working so far, and leave their 3pt shooters open. Or, will he actually make an adjustment and play him with single coverage? Will he actually show some imagination and guts and use JCollins size and strength against Howard? Or, will he continue using the same limited rotation and watch them take advantage of the matchup advantage they seem to have against us? AT ANY RATE, GOOD LUCK TONIGNT HAWKS AND BRING HOME A WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU CAN BET I WON’T MISS TONIGHTS GM.

Grandad

January 30th, 2010
1:40 pm

Sautee and nire:

I think Joe is lazy when it comes to hustle. Does that make you lazy if you don’t hustle? Joe rarely gets on the floor [Al,Mo(Rodman,Bird)].
Good on ball defender, poor help defender[Josh]. Hustle plays, such as chasing a player down to stop a layup [once again-Josh]. Also Joe is Lazy on offense when the ball is not in his hands (does that make him lazy?). He does not screen, He does not move w/o the ball very well, he very rarely pushes the ball on the break [Josh,Al]. Once again,
does that, make him lazy? Hmmm, maybe selfish, because if he slows it down then he can call his own # as the commentator said last evening.
Is he a good teammate? Lets see: body language – last night he passed ahead to Jamal and led him just a tad bit too much and JC took his eyes off a split sec. too soon; Joe’s facial expression [bod.lang.] said
“________ _________ Jamal”. Is he jealous of Jamal?

Now: [Joe]
*clutch ? [Ask the Celts!]
*tough ? [absolutely]
*durable ? [without a doubt]
*Good guy ? [sure]
*role model ? [of course]
*More diverse offensively with dif. coach? [heck yeah]

C’mon you two. Where is Sybil when we need her/him?
Now, I retract my indignity!

Benjamin

January 30th, 2010
1:52 pm

Joe and Jamal were, for the record, apparently both very deferential to the other after the game. So long as they play well on the floor together and don’t start bickering like T.O. and Donovan McNabb, I could care less whether they’re BFFs behind the scenes.

Let’s get a win tonight. And let’s stop complaining and fighting with each other after big wins like last night!

Go Hawks…

Benjamin

January 30th, 2010
1:56 pm

Ken, I think it might have been a combo of early foul trouble and a pretty crappy beginning from Mike.

Then again, maybe they realized they were clicking without him on the floor and wanted to save his legs for tonight’s game vs. the Magic.

But I’m just guesstimating with those ideas.

Michael Cunningham

January 30th, 2010
2:06 pm

dang, what did i miss around here? too much drama.

Fundamentals

January 30th, 2010
2:07 pm

What’s with all the banter at each other? Can’t you enjoy one of the best weeks we’ve had all season? If Al, didn’t have the thumb issue we might’ve pulled one out in San Antonio!

Bibby is obviously in a slump and has been for some time. I’m comfortable with that. He is a good presence on our bench and he will come out of this. Tonight he needs to play solid D, run the offense and test his jumper. As long as he’s over .500 keep shooting. If not defer. We need his leadership in the team game. He’s handled Crawford’s dominance well in the essence of TEAM! I admire that.

Al is going to need help tonight. His thumb still isn’t 100% so he’ll lose some aggressiveness in his ability to slap at the ball on D. He needs Randmo and Collins to see some minutes…that is unless ZaZa can show up two nights in a row! He needs to come out in warm-ups with a green Kryptonite cape…and then prove it by treating Howard like he does Perkins and KG. We need all 4 to dominate Dwight so everyone else can focus on the perimeter.

Joe and Crawford seem to be playing well off one another late. I’d say early on there was some issues as to who got the ball, but they’re finding their chemistry. Neither player is 1/2 as good without the other. They are an excellent tandem. They compliment each other so well. If we keep them both together we’ll be very very dangerous for years to come!

Josh should have another big game. His “snub” is what it is. Right now he should consider all the talk about him progress. If he plays his game and develops a 10-15 ft jumper that’s consistent he could focus on MVP and not just All-Star some day. Kid’s got rare skills. We’ve only seen the tip of the iceberg if he can put it together. Think about a mature, focussed josh with a short jumper on your team for the next 4-5 years. AWESOME!

We’ll need everyone tonight to maintain energy. Battle will be won on the boards and defense of the perimeter. I think we can pull it off if we play our game. We need to bring the intensity and aggression from last night to ORL. If we can, nobody in the league could stop us.

GO HAWKS!

Benjamin

January 30th, 2010
2:22 pm

Annonymous blogs lead to people wanting to be tough, Michael. It’s a lot easier to type a tough word than say something to someone’s face. (No chance of a fist coming back in response, I suppose. Kind of sad, really…)

Agreed with the first line of Fundamentals’s post; if we win tonight vs. Orlando and I come in here to find strangers talking about each other’s wives, demanding retractions, etc., I’m going to give one big Stephen Colbert “Wag of the Finger” to the entire comments section. Don’t push me, people…

Go Hawks!

FRESH

January 30th, 2010
2:35 pm

MC,

If there wasn’t any drama or back-in-forward mudslinging going on; I don’t think this would qualify as a Hawks blog…Bruh just grab your popcorn and enjoy….

Astro Joe

January 30th, 2010
2:44 pm

To re-cap the post-game fireworks on the blog…

Nire accused Sautee of trying to fire him behind his back. Vava told Sautee that his wife needed to get her eyebrows done like Woody. And Sautee refused to shake anyone’s hand until he received an apology and a contract extension.

In other words, diehard Hawks fans celebrating their team!

Grandad

January 30th, 2010
2:48 pm

MC:
I’m gonna ask you straight up. Is Joe jealous of Jamal?
Inquiring minds want to know.

Grandad

January 30th, 2010
2:50 pm

AJ:
Now that’s funny!

Grandad

January 30th, 2010
3:03 pm

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I MUS WRITE

January 30th, 2010
3:06 pm

Grandad, JJ might be a little jealous,it shows sumtimz in his play. The last few years he has been the man and now with the emergence of Crawford who is taking sum of JJ’s shine he is probably sour but cant voice his displeasure because we are winning……. Lets face it JJ is a better player overall but scoring is jamals thing and JJ wants to be the only big time scorer on our team hence the comments”Guys need to know there roles”

When I watch Jamal he shakes aguy and goes to the rim which leaves passing lanes for other guys but JJ just pounds the rock which forces guys to stand around and not get involved -This iso garbage is killing me…It worked last nite but without jamal we would have lost last night……

I MUS WRITE

January 30th, 2010
3:21 pm

Sautee-man just leave it alone,Perry Mason is at it again. W
atch out for his lover Raymond he’s not gonna like this LOL

maler23

January 30th, 2010
3:50 pm

Fans don’t worry in the game against Orlando Magic, the Hawks have Michael Jordan. He should be able to match what ever energy the Magic can mustard. Rember, he’s tougher to guard than Kobe Bryant!
:)

Ken Strickland

January 30th, 2010
4:00 pm

BENJAMIN-Thanks for the info. I was a little worried that he might have sustained an injury. While I’d like to see him get fewer mins and/or come off the bench, I definitely don’t want to see him injuried. Athough we all know he’s limited both offensively and defensively, which some refuse to accept or acknowledge, he’s still valuable.

Up to this point in the season, far lesser teams have managed to figure out how to take advantage of Orlando’s weaknesses and to create and take advantage of mismatches to defeat them. It’s time for us to start making playoff calibur changes, adjustments and strategies that favor us. Personally, I’m sick and tired of us not being competitive against them and hearing post gm excuses about us not being ready, or missing our DEF assignments or not playing hard enough. CONDIDER THE FOLLOWING:

(1) If a player or players, especially starters, keep missing assignments during big gms and the HC complains after the gm rather than make corrections during, THAT’S SORRY COACHING.

(2) If you continue using the same strategy against the same team and you struggle to even be competitive, THAT’S SORRY COACHING.

(3)If, after passing the halfway point of the season, a HC uses fear, stubborness or a lack of trust as excuses for continuing to ignore assets that could possibly create favorable matchups and/or make a difference, HE’S SHOWING SERIOUS SIGNS OF INCOMPETENCE.

This team and it’s players could definitely do more if it got more help from the sidelines.

cp

January 30th, 2010
4:13 pm

It would be nice if Marvin and Bibby showed up tonight. These two cats have been stinking it up something serious. They need to shake off whatever funk their in and start producing… And lol@this Mario love on here. Dude is so overrated as a defender that its funny. I remember against the Kings they had him on Evans and Evans went to work on him quick. Dude plays hard but his defense is not as good as guys act like it is.

KevinA

January 30th, 2010
4:14 pm

A gallon of gas was $2.25 at the depth of the recession. We were all so happy after paying over $4.00. The fundamentals have not changed. We still import 60% of our oil and have 3% of the worlds resources. Time to invest in another resource. Gas has and will go up.

When JJ takes over and shoots great we win and get giddy. But we know the fundamentals are still there. ISO dominance with high volume is fools gold. Time for the investment of trust and team ball.

It takes time to change policy that takes advantage of new technology. Mind sets are no different. Josh and Al are the new energy of the future while Jump shooting ISO has a wonderful history but is a finite inconsistent resource. Only combining the old with the new will build that bridge to energy independence and high level consistent play.

Astro Joe

January 30th, 2010
4:15 pm

Strickland, go get your B&W TV fixed so that you can watch the games and won’t be asking questions from the boxscore.

KevinA

January 30th, 2010
4:50 pm

Trends only I care enough about to check.

JJ leads the team with 4.7 assist a game. In the last 9 games his average is 3.7.
Jamal averages 2.8 for the season and in the last 9 games is at 4.2.

It had seemed Jamal had passed more successfully the last few games besides his good shooting. The dude is on fire.

lolo

January 30th, 2010
4:52 pm

Nice game last nice guys!!but remember u took on a tired and beaten Celtic’s team last night…Let’s see how ur ATL will do tonight against Orlando…see your Hawks get crushed again..as a Celtic fan I’ll have to admit one thing…this Boston team isn’t goin anywhere this year..once Again is out of Orlando and Cleveland in the East

Iblameurparents

January 30th, 2010
5:02 pm

RA,
I was about to go on a long blog about JJ and how he took us home in the fourth but after your assessment I need not say anything else. Well done.

Astro Joe

January 30th, 2010
5:15 pm

KevinA, except when Big Baby is handling Horford in the post and Josh is trying to shoot over Rasheed… give me some nasty crude oil to get me over the finish line each and every time. Ultimately, the sign of a quality team is one that can win using many forms of energy… including Iso sets.

JeJe

January 30th, 2010
5:25 pm

How long is it going to take Woody to realize that Jamal Crawford owns half these teams (at least) in this league? The people in Cleveland are terrified of this guy. Wtf is the point of starting Marvin Williams? The guy gave up 35 to Pierce last night (who only played 38 min) and Pierce was on 2nd of b2b.

Jamal is a beast on the court. Give him the basketball

JeJe

January 30th, 2010
5:54 pm

WOODSON,

YOU HAVE COLLINS AND RANDMO. THIS IS WHEN YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO PLAY THEM…AGAINST DWIGHT AND GORTAT. STOP MAKING THE SAME DAMN MISTAKE EVERY TIME WE PLAY ORLANDO AND CLEVELAND. GIVE THE BIG BODIES/VETS SOME MINUTES AND STOP THINKING HORFORD IS THE BEST MATCHUP FOR 40 MINUTES

BONE

January 30th, 2010
5:57 pm

If woody hasn’t learned his lesson from the last 2 times we played the magic, Someone should slap the shine off his head.

KevinA

January 30th, 2010
5:59 pm

Astro Joe,

And when the guards are delivering nice crisp passes with good ball movement in a position their team mates can score more easier, there is no reason to go ISO nearly as much as we do. This is not a new idea or novel approach to Hawks basketball. In seems we are trending in that direction compared to our history.

If Joe or Jamal is hot in any given part of the game, feed em-fan em. The same should go for any player.

http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010/01/25/graphic-offense-a-look-at-usage-and-per-mid-season/

Scroll down for the 2nd chart. The question is wether we are maximizing our full potential. The post was about the season, not any one single game.

Shamus Thacker

January 30th, 2010
6:18 pm

As The Blogosphere Scrolls

Soap of the 2010s…

Ree Roe

January 30th, 2010
6:52 pm

BOS had a good defensive gameplan for ORL on Thursday for most of that game…we don’t need to double Dwight b/c the strength of that Magic team is it’s shooters not it’s low post game. Hawks can win, but ORL has our number.

-REEcently Roe :-/

Ken Strickland

January 30th, 2010
6:58 pm

BONE-That was cold man.

ASTRO JOE-were you more agitated at the fact I asked questions, or was it the specific questions I asked? Bibby is actually holding this team back, but I don’t blame him. I blame Woodson for continuing to make lame excuses for throwing JTeague under the bus and running Bibby’s ineffectual butt out there.

Woodson, along with certain others, seem to think the only way for a guard to score is by hitting long range jumpshots. Teague might not be a prolific jumpshooter at this point, but he can certainly penetrate and score, dish to others for easy pts, and/or draw fowls and score from the FT line. We have a much greater abundance of jumpshooters that we have players that can effectively and consistently penetrate and get inside the DEF.

Bottomline, we need to upgrade our PG position and start giving teams a taste of what they’ve been consistently giving us, by taking advantage of Bibby.

drmaryb

January 30th, 2010
7:01 pm

OMG i thought this vava74 blogger was a woman! (He sounds like a Biatch!)

vava74 … Your’e first comments yesterday at 5pm-ish was ISH! You said that the Hawks were doomed to lose & were incapable of sweeping the Old-Azz C’s? You said that we were all in for a let down & that the HWKS NEVER WIN THE BIG GAMES?

Well, you can Join Perkins and eat crow! You both put a Hit on Crawford as far as I am concerned!
Who is this guy anyway? A cross-dresser?

Big-Ray!

I don’t have to blog as much anymore…all your posts mirror my thoughts! Thanks for the skillz & communication talents! I simply, don’t know how you put up with these wanna-be-bloggers on here.

Half of these people can barely read or write or comprehend.
“The Hawks are WHO we thought they were” -ala Denny Green-

1st. They got JJ to actually come here? 2nd. They were young. 3rd. They grew up. 4th. We got us a WINNER!

1. Do any of you people remember when we traded for Sam Cassell? (He refused to get on the bus!)
2. Do you remember when we traded for Rasheed Wallace? (He refused to sign the contract & played one game just to get out of town!) It was great to kick his Azz last night – for that reason alone!)
3. No Body – Period wanted to come here!!!! JJ did & was up to the challenge! That my friends is a LEADER! He has lead the way..So now that this poor man has some HELP? He is Excited & WILL RE-Sign with the HAWKS. He was the happiest man in the WORLD when BIBBY got here! We were killing him with 49 minutes per night & he was dead tired – GONE in the post-season!

So, people please …GET-OFF this man’s back & Go – WOODY! Let’s enjoy all the work!

If you don’t believe me? Go ASK the CELTICS is they would sleep with the Guy next door for $5k dollars? You Betcha! they would. ASK Perkins & ‘Nem if they FEAR the HAWKS?

Nuff – Said!

JeJe

January 30th, 2010
9:19 pm

WHY DO WE SIGN RANDMO AND COLLINS AND NOT USE THEM

JOSH SMITH U ARE !@#$ING !@#$%TY POST PLAYER. YOUR POST MOVES !@#$ING SUCK. YOU HAVE NO FLUIDITY OR KNOWLEDGE WHAT YOU ARE DOING ON OFFENSE. YOU NEVER MAKE JUMPSHOTS, YET KEEP TAKING THEM. THATS WHY YOU AREN’T AN ALL STAR
!@# DAMNIT

testing

May 18th, 2010
9:53 am

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“COMPLETE IDIOT’S GUIDE TO BASKETBALL”
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testing

May 18th, 2010
9:56 am

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