Celtics at Hawks, AKA For Some Reason Hawks Are Really, Really Up For This
Star power and rings ought to get Hawks' attention. (Photo by Elsa/Getty Images North America)
So why is it that the Hawks seem to get up for the Celtics more than any of the other members of the East Elite Tri-Council?
Well, when you consider that the Celtics boast three stars, won a championship in 2008 and owned the Hawks until this season, the real question is: Why wouldn’t the Hawks bring a little something extra against the C’s?
“We know we have to play on a totally different level against that team,” J.J. said. “They’ve got so many threats you can’t have no letdowns.”
If you are so inclined–and I know some of you are–you could take all the things that theoretically are working for the Hawks tonight and turn them around into signs of danger:
1. There’s that 3-0 record against Boston this season. That means the Hawks either a) have Boston’s number or b) can expect the Celtics, with prideful KG back, to do everything in their power to avoid their first four-game season sweep by the Hawks since ‘95-’96.
2. The Celtics left their energy in Orlando, where they blew a 16-point lead last night. That means the Celtics either a) will be too spent to do battle with the Hawks even if they really, really want this one especially since KG is still gimpy or b) will re-focus behind KG, who is ticked about giving up a game-winning layup to Rashard Lewis.. From the Boston Globe:
“I’ve got to be better. I told the guys it was on me and I’ve got to be better defensively. I’ll remember it, it fuels me, it will motivate me, so I’m better [tonight]’.’
Or maybe none of that plays a factor and the Hawks really are just better than the Celtics right now. Woody doesn’t think so.
“I still think they are the best team in the East,” he said.
– Woody said Al Horford , who got six stitches for a gash on his left thumb Monday at Houston, never complained about the injury that night or during the shootaround at San Antonio on Wednesday. Before the Hawks played the Spurs, Horford said he had trouble dribbling with his left hand but that’s about it.
Today, though, Horford acknowledged that when he returned to the game at Houston the thumb was “numb, I couldn’t really feel it” and “it was really bothering me” vs. the Spurs.
“Today, it feels a whole lot better,” Horford said. “I’ll be good to go tonight.”
Though he never used the thumb as an excuse, the injury might explain Horford’s 2-for-10 shooting against the Spurs. He still managed to get 10 rebounds vs. Houston and nine vs. San Antonio.
– The Hawks must win to keep alive Woody’s chances of joining Al and J.J. in Dallas for All-Star game. If the Celtics win tonight, the Hawks won’t surpass them for second place in the East by the end of Sunday.
– Talk amongst yourselves, Hawks fans.
MC
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jayson
January 29th, 2010
4:44 pm
yeahhhhhhhh 1sttttt firstttt
Sid
January 29th, 2010
5:00 pm
The Hawks should campaign to try and get Crawford into the three point shootout. Hes on his way to his 7th consecutive year with over 100 three point fgs made.
As for tonights game this is a nice statement weekend for the hawks. This is the time to deliver that message to the celts that says you better do whatever you can to avoid us and to the the Magic that says we are not afraid of Howard .
Justin
January 29th, 2010
5:08 pm
When you say the Celtics owned, the Hawks, you’re leaving out the 2008 playoffs where the Hawks won every home game. That’s really the point when the Hawks started taking the Celtics more seriously than other teams.
rms
January 29th, 2010
5:13 pm
I can hear the coughing beginning to start already…..CHOKE!!! No way these Hawks pull off a 4-0 sweep of the Celtics or my name aint rms!!!
cp
January 29th, 2010
5:14 pm
Hopefully Bibby and Marvin show up tonight. Bibby has been in a slump and well Marvin is Marvin.
Clyde
January 29th, 2010
5:20 pm
REGULAR SEASON DON’T MEAN NOTHING.
FIRE WOODY
Astro Joe
January 29th, 2010
5:29 pm
If Horford shows any sign of having problems with that thumb tonight, Woody needs to sit him immediately. It will be interesting to see who is inactive forthe game tonight… with Horford’s injury, Collins could be ready to go but Mario could certainly annoy the heck out of Rondo, Pierce and Ray-Ray. My guess is that Horford’s warrior mentality will result in Mario being active tonight. But Bacon Jason needs to be rested and ready for D-Howard tomorrow.
JeJe
January 29th, 2010
5:31 pm
If the Hawks were smart at all, they’d commit a hard foul on Garnett (2nd of b2b for Celtics) and make him hit the ground, since he’s obviously not healthy.
THis is BS about we can play with any team in this league. Besides the season opener last year, we have done jack!@#$ against Orlando. They completely own us, and we cannot beat Cleveland.
Good comments, players and coaches…you sure know what you’re talking about!
Astro Joe
January 29th, 2010
5:53 pm
Wow, let’s see how many more pessimistic comments we can add as we support our team against a quality squad that we have defeated 3 times this year. Come on Hawks fans, yell at the rain.
vava74
January 29th, 2010
5:59 pm
Let’s hope that Smoove can show everyone tonight why he should have been selected.
We match up reasonably well against the celts, but the prospect of us sweeping them seems too much pressure to me.
We are on Def Con 4 in our ‘egg laying alert’ since whenever we have a “statement game” we usually falter. A sign of immaturity.
O'Brien
January 29th, 2010
6:03 pm
MC,
Collins was wearing a suit for the Spurs game. Any ideas if he will be in uniform tonight?
With Horford struggling last game, Woody should have given RandMo a few minutes to see what he could do. So I agree with AJ. If Horford looks like he is struggling, get him out the game.
I disagree with Woody that the Celtics are the best team in the East. KG is coming off an injury (2nd season in a row), Ray Allen looks old, and Rasheed Wallace is inconsistent. I think the Cavs are the best team in the East.
“We know we have to play on a totally different level against that team,” J.J. said. “They’ve got so many threats you can’t have no letdowns.”
So does JJ not think that we have to play on a totally different level against the Magic? My theory is JJ brings it against the Celtics because they traded him during his rookie year, so he wants to stick it to them every chance he gets.
Looking forward to the game tonight. Hawks looked bad against Spurs, we’re rested, playing at home, and I’m sure they would love to see Woody coach the All-Star game (instead of Doc Rovers).
I’m expecting a great effort from the Hawks tonight. Hopefully that translates into a win.
vava74
January 29th, 2010
6:05 pm
Astro,
the fans are a reflection of the squad: when we win and have a statement game ahead of us, we usually have excessive confidence and enthusiasm around here with people overlooking our most significant problems. Then the squad acts exactly Lind that and lays an egg…
So this pessimism may be a good sign since typically we have a lot of pessimists blogging, the squad goes in focus.
I think that we have a real trend here.
vava74
January 29th, 2010
6:06 pm
A few iPhone typos but I think you get the picture
KMG
January 29th, 2010
6:28 pm
hawks win a close one tonight. garnett looked passable but not as the old garnett, slow and gimpy. wallace, on his last leg, no paint point to say. celts can run with the hawks.
Astro Joe
January 29th, 2010
6:32 pm
vava, I hope that you are right.
Ramon
January 29th, 2010
6:38 pm
I see the Hawks winning by 9 tonight in a game that isn’t that close after the third quarter. The biggest match up tonight will be how well Marvin can guard Pierce. If Pierce stays off the free throw line, watch for him to start limping in the 2nd quarter, to try and milk calls out of the referees. I think the best medicine for Rondo, will be JC coming in at point in the first and driving a lot. The crossover of Crawford’s will make Rondo either foul or be left behind.
RA
January 29th, 2010
6:56 pm
JeJe, if indeed that is your real name, and I doubt it, I’m sorry that you don’t feel like the Hawks can play with the big boys. Let’s consider just a few of the teams that the Hawks have beaten very briefly. Let’s start with the obvious. They’ve beaten Bosten three straight times this season, and two of those wins were in Boston. Boston had guys hurt you say? Cry me a freaken river. When Atlanta had three guys hobbled in the playoffs last season, nobody gave it a second thought and those Cavs that you’re so proud of celebrated like they’d beaten the 1988 Lakers themselves. Like I said, three straight against Boston. They beat Portland, twice. They beat Houston and Dallas in Texas. They tore Denver limb from limb in Atlanta. Now, have they stumbled? Yes they have. The games that they’ve played against Orlando were in a word embarrassing. And yea, they were beaten twice by the Cleveland Cavs, but you show me an honest time keeper and a referee that doesn’t consider knocking two Hawks out of the way a legitimate drive to the basket, and I could probably give you one win out of two against them. But we could go back and forth on that all day and still just arrive at the inescapable fact that Atlanta has lost to them, twice. So, have they beaten the Cavs, no, but I believe they can. This team has won too many big games for anyone to say that they’re not capable of doing so. And they can win those games without injuring the other team’s key player. They can win those games without preferential treatment from the referees, and they can win those games even if those other teams bring their best to the table. I’m a die hard Hawks fan, and regardless of what happens tonight, this team has given me every reason in the world to believe.
Astro Joe
January 29th, 2010
6:58 pm
Doc played Pierce, Rondo and Allen more than 37 minutes last night. KG played 33 and Perkins very little due to foul trouble. They enjoyed a double-digit lead during most of the game yesterday. I bring it up because surely, someone will criticize Woody’s utilization of his best players tonight while looking ahead to the Orlando game. Coaches don’t have the luxury of “looking ahead”, they need to win the game at hand. If Orlando’s win last night shows anything, it is that no lead is safe until very, very late into a game.
A bird in the hand often leaves a mess but with the right seasoning can be a tasty treat. I think that is how the saying goes.
Hawk n the Ham
January 29th, 2010
6:59 pm
It’s time to break out the brooms kids. Clean up this garbage tonight and move on to more important things, The Magic.
I’ve got a new drinking game! Every time Perkins travels, take a drink!
Michael Cunningham
January 29th, 2010
7:03 pm
@ O Brien: Collins in uniform. Morris inactive.
Ken LaPine
January 29th, 2010
7:29 pm
We will see……..
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
7:35 pm
lets get it…
Blast
January 29th, 2010
7:35 pm
Lets Go Hawks!
BONE
January 29th, 2010
7:38 pm
Come on Hawks we gotta win this one. Becuz I know we lose against the Magic.
SWAT Native
January 29th, 2010
7:38 pm
Hawks n the Ham,
You would be laid flat by halftime.
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
7:41 pm
did i hear them say Million $ Man Ted Dibiase…?
BONE
January 29th, 2010
7:43 pm
Please play defense
BONE
January 29th, 2010
7:44 pm
Josh Dammit no jumpers
Jody
January 29th, 2010
7:45 pm
Shot clock winding down, had to shoot that one.
BONE
January 29th, 2010
7:46 pm
Man Bibby sit your sorry azz down
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
7:47 pm
Ray Allen has an elbow in Joes neck… thats legal?
vava74
January 29th, 2010
7:47 pm
Out of control…
BONE
January 29th, 2010
7:47 pm
Man Bibby is making it so hard to play defense
Blast
January 29th, 2010
7:48 pm
Bring in Crawford!
vava74
January 29th, 2010
7:50 pm
Moving screen by KG
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
7:50 pm
im starting to feel bad for Mike…
BONE
January 29th, 2010
7:50 pm
Hawks come out unprepared again.
BONE
January 29th, 2010
7:51 pm
Good job Marvin
BONE
January 29th, 2010
7:52 pm
Man Bibby should not go back in the game anymore 2nite.
He makes the team worse. Get his Kermit his Kermit azz outta here.
vava74
January 29th, 2010
7:52 pm
Yes! Share the ball!
Blast
January 29th, 2010
7:52 pm
Hawks will be fine. Shots are just rimming out.
JB
January 29th, 2010
7:52 pm
Fronting KG was dangerous there by Josh
Sid
January 29th, 2010
7:55 pm
What is smoove doing ? ……and why isnt anyone saying anything to him ?
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
7:55 pm
leave Marvin in…
vava74
January 29th, 2010
7:55 pm
JJ looks tired already. He has no lift on his legs… I
BONE
January 29th, 2010
7:55 pm
Man Bibby betta not come back in the game anymore 2nite.
Keep his Kermit azz on the bench
Hawk n the Ham
January 29th, 2010
7:56 pm
Isnt’t this suppose to be on SportSouth????????
I’m in Birmingham, and they are showing one of those stupid “In my own words” shows.
WTF????
JB
January 29th, 2010
7:57 pm
Pierce traveled again!
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
7:59 pm
refs trippin…
BONE
January 29th, 2010
8:00 pm
Hawks with no offense again.
Hawk n the Ham
January 29th, 2010
8:00 pm
ARE YOU SERIOUS??????
They are showing the Grizzlies here in Birmingham on SportSouth
NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
8:01 pm
great pass Joe.. Za Za… weak geesh.. catch and go up strong… i believe Randmo would catch and finish… gesh…
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
8:02 pm
Sheed said as Mo was on the line.. “his shoes too flat” hahaha… talking bout those converse…
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
8:04 pm
Paul makes one shot and Woody calls timeout to fuss at Teague.
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
8:05 pm
there you go Woody.. lets see what the young guy has.. we will need him
BONE
January 29th, 2010
8:05 pm
See u idiots thats why Teague is betta than OLD AZZ Bibby
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
8:06 pm
damn.. Jamal trucked big baby
Sautee
January 29th, 2010
8:09 pm
Look what Crawford found!
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
8:09 pm
Jeff Teague has some bunnies wow…
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
8:09 pm
Damn! Flip probably took that shot 30 times last year and I don’t think he ever hit it. You show em, Jamal!
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
8:10 pm
wow.
Blast
January 29th, 2010
8:10 pm
Super sub!!!!!!
Crawford!!!!!!!
BONE
January 29th, 2010
8:11 pm
Yea J craw
Sid
January 29th, 2010
8:12 pm
hahahahahaahaa Jamal is one of those guys that just has IT Its gonna be great seeing how he responds to the playoffs
BONE
January 29th, 2010
8:12 pm
And like I said Bbby better keep his azz on the bench.
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
8:12 pm
Hawks took the lead to end the 1st qtr… Game on…
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
8:12 pm
Flip probably took that half-court buzzer beater 30 times last year and never hit it. Jamal shows him how it’s done!
vava74
January 29th, 2010
8:13 pm
Hawk n the Ham
check out http://www.fromsport.com
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
8:13 pm
Lets Go Hawks…
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
8:14 pm
Nire,
Who is Flip?????
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
8:15 pm
what… ?? thats Hawk ball
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
8:16 pm
check Z out…
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
8:17 pm
doubt Randolph gives you that though…
Sautee
January 29th, 2010
8:17 pm
We were talking about Josh being first off the bench at the timeout to greet his teammates. Mrs. Sautee asked “Where’s Joe? Isn’t he the Captain”?
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
8:20 pm
Sheed being Sheed
Sid
January 29th, 2010
8:20 pm
joe comes in to kill the momentum lol
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
8:20 pm
Sheed wanted that Tech…
BONE
January 29th, 2010
8:20 pm
LOL @ Rasheed
vava74
January 29th, 2010
8:20 pm
the only thing we need now is for JJ’s shots to go in… he has very little lift and his shots are rimming out stubbornly…
payo2010
January 29th, 2010
8:21 pm
go hawks!!
KevinA
January 29th, 2010
8:21 pm
Wild #ss game
BONE
January 29th, 2010
8:21 pm
Jamal is showing Joe how it’s done
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
8:21 pm
JCrawford looks like he’s at the Rucker Park…. My goodness….
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
8:22 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whKAx7hZ1Fw
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
8:22 pm
Sautee,
Tell Ms.Sautee to be nice….lol
payo2010
January 29th, 2010
8:22 pm
crawford is outplaying joe tonite!!
KevinA
January 29th, 2010
8:23 pm
ZaZa messed with their heads
Sautee
January 29th, 2010
8:23 pm
I’m really liking Woody’s rotations tonight.
BONE
January 29th, 2010
8:24 pm
MAn get Joe outta the game.
PG
January 29th, 2010
8:24 pm
joe is off!!!
Hawk n the Ham
January 29th, 2010
8:24 pm
VaVa74
THANKS!!
BONE
January 29th, 2010
8:24 pm
Man don’t bring Bibby back u idiot. Put Teague in
Sid
January 29th, 2010
8:24 pm
lol @Joe
Blast
January 29th, 2010
8:25 pm
Keep the ball in Jamal’s hand. Joe does not have it yet! Crawford goes quick, while Joe holds the ball.
KevinA
January 29th, 2010
8:25 pm
Za 4-4
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
8:25 pm
see Marvin he didnt help you up when he put you on your ass…
Spades23
January 29th, 2010
8:26 pm
The bench is bringing the energy again tonight!
BONE
January 29th, 2010
8:27 pm
Whats the point of bringin Bibby back in the game. And he gets another foul
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
8:28 pm
if he sits Bibby try putting Teague out there with the starters…
KevinA
January 29th, 2010
8:28 pm
ZaZa with the assist
Blast
January 29th, 2010
8:29 pm
Hawks up, and Jamal has to get a breather. Would have preffered Teague coming in rather than Bibby, though.
BONE
January 29th, 2010
8:31 pm
Here we go wit JJ ballhoggin
vava74
January 29th, 2010
8:32 pm
why do people show so little appreciation or JJ??
why must it be a Crawford is better than JJ conversation at all??
hasn’t JJ proven in his career that his number FAR exceed Crawford’s??
they are completely different types of players, there is no comparison beyond the fact that both play the SG position and can work as PG as well…
Jeeesus… On the defensive end Crawford is most of the time appalling and on offence is much more prone to dry spells…
JJ is one of the top 3 SG in the league and one of the most balanced players… he is averaging almost a 20-5-5 and people complain when is not at his best… for crying out loud…
BONE
January 29th, 2010
8:32 pm
Give it to Jamal he’s the one who’s been puttin in work
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
8:32 pm
big Richard Seymore behind Bob and Nique…
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
8:32 pm
Yes sir nice pass from AL the all star to Josh
vava74
January 29th, 2010
8:33 pm
Hawk n the Ham,
You’re welcome!!
you can also bookmark http://www.p2p4u.net
Ramon
January 29th, 2010
8:34 pm
Why did Woody just take a timeout when it was Boston who was struggling with what was going on?
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
8:35 pm
vava74 on your 8:32
funny isnt it… smh
BONE
January 29th, 2010
8:36 pm
Joe sucks
BONE
January 29th, 2010
8:37 pm
Jamal is showing JJ how to play lol
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
8:37 pm
Joe can’t buy a shot or a foul…
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
8:39 pm
crossed kg
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
8:39 pm
bigdave,
here we go again… Joe doesnt know how to sell the contact on his shot…
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
8:39 pm
I want to see Jamal go for 50 tonight…
vava74
January 29th, 2010
8:40 pm
man Crawford is balling like a mad man!
BONE
January 29th, 2010
8:40 pm
Joe musta got high b4 the game
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
8:40 pm
Okay, I hope that steal and dunk get Joe going
Spades23
January 29th, 2010
8:40 pm
The CROSSOVER claims another victim.
Jody
January 29th, 2010
8:41 pm
Josh Smith got shoved on that last play before the half and no call. Why did Joe get the last shot? You play off the guy who’s got a rhythm going.
Sautee
January 29th, 2010
8:42 pm
If MY teammate is as hot as Crawford, I’d DAMN sure give it to him for the last shot of the quarter.
Guess we don’t ALL see it that way. But I don’t get it.
BONE
January 29th, 2010
8:42 pm
Why didn;t Jamal get the last shot.
Stop ball hoggn JJ. damn
Blast
January 29th, 2010
8:42 pm
Woody, please play Jamal the rest of the half. I wanna see him get 50 as a Hawk.
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
8:43 pm
Jamal has it going with 18 first half points and Joe made it a point to take the last shot…. ok, maybe I’m stirring the pot too much but dang he should have made sure Jamal took that last shot…
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
8:43 pm
Melvin… Lebron doesnt sell contact either but he seems to get a whistle…
thats whats happens when you 240+
i seriously believe its a respect (or lack there of ) thing…
Ramon
January 29th, 2010
8:44 pm
Lol, I want to see Jamal go for 50, and Smoove get 22-10-4.
BONE
January 29th, 2010
8:44 pm
I better not see Bibby back on the floor
Blast
January 29th, 2010
8:44 pm
If Joe could find his game, how much up would Hawks be by now?
I love Bibby and all, but I think he should sit out the rest of the game. Let Jamal, Teague and Mo Evans take his minutes.
BONE
January 29th, 2010
8:45 pm
Jamal can get 50 ya’ll if Joe stops ball hoggin so damn much.
Sautee
January 29th, 2010
8:45 pm
Melvin,
word
vava74
January 29th, 2010
8:45 pm
let’s hope that Crawford can keep this up OR preferably that the offence starts to flow with more ball movement…
if Crawford hits a dry spell and we are not clicking with all cylinders the 12pts can be gone in no time… specially with Pierce playing so well…
Although I think BOS legs will only get worse as the game goes on…
James
January 29th, 2010
8:46 pm
When people try and bring up Crawfords defense what are they really talking about because for us he hasnt been nearly as bad as everyone claimed at worst hes been average.
Pretty much every negative rep that Crawford had when he showed up has been extremely over exaggerated its time to judge him on what we see now not what we heard someone say he did before he got here
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
8:47 pm
Gee, Sautee criticizing JJ? When does that happen.
Oh right. A billion times a day.
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
8:48 pm
big dave,
Lebron doesn’t have to do it as much now b/c he did it so much early in his career but I will admit, he does get superstar treatment as well.
Blast
January 29th, 2010
8:49 pm
Scrap that talk about Jamal’s defence. He has bought into the system and is vastly improved. Jamal is even blocking shots now! He gets some lapses now and then, but overall, I think he is doing great.
KevinA
January 29th, 2010
8:49 pm
I wanna see Josh and Al attack the basket. What about Mr. Perfect. ZaZa the man.
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
8:50 pm
I figured the Celtics would come in looking to gain some measure of revenge. And our Hawks have stomped that notion FLAT.
Josh is showing why he would be a good reserve selection (and why KG should sit this one out). Al Horford is showing why he IS a selection.
Jamal Crawford needs another nickname: “Celtic Nightmare.”
Glenn Davis just lost his nickname of “Big Baby”. That title has been bestowed fully upon Kendrick Perkins, who has never committed a foul in his life, and always gets hacked when he is shooting. OH, and he never commits a traveling violation either….
How about that block by Teague?
How about the effort and solidarity of our second unit?
Woody with some brilliant substitution moves. Yeah, I said it.
BONE
January 29th, 2010
8:52 pm
Big Ray I gotta nickname for Jamal.
THE BOSTON STRANGLER-JAMAL CRAWFORD
Sautee
January 29th, 2010
8:52 pm
When you sign up to be “the big dog”, and get paid like that, you are open for criticism when you “dog it” on defense and fail to set an example.
Oh, and 8 shot attempts with ZERO assists says a little something too.
Nire, do you ever see me being critical when he’s playing well and sharing the ball? No, you do not, unless it’s for defensive effort.
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
8:54 pm
Poor JJ. He’s playing like that kid on the playground who just wants to be noticed, and counted among the popular group. Most of his moves have been solid, beautiful even. But nearly every shot attempt is short. It’s just not his night, although the game is only halfway over.
I won’t count him out, though. I wouldn’t talk too much noise about him. As bad as he looks tonight, I haven’t forgotten the guy who dropped 31 on the Spurs two nights ago…..
I’m lookin’ for JJ to either heat up and make that shooting percentage look better, or play some solid “D” and collect some assists.
Of course, that seems to be all Jamal right now. Damn, what a great pickup by Sund….
BONE
January 29th, 2010
8:54 pm
Oh and Big Ray. I wouldn’t call Woody’s subsitutions brilliant tho becuz if it would have been brilliant not to let bibby back in the game. But it is much improved.
terrell
January 29th, 2010
8:57 pm
Crawdaddy aint nothing but the truth!
vava74
January 29th, 2010
8:58 pm
Sautee,
All OK to say it that way, however, we need JJ to get going because we cannot expect Crawford to keep going like this… he might, but he might not as well.
Also, JJ was fouled already 2 or 3 times while driving. He simply can’t buy a damn call.
Should have JJ given the last shot to Crawford? Yes, I agree, however, don’t try to read between the lines anything negative about it: he is trying to shake his bad mojo…
Many of JJ’s shots were pretty good but had weird bounces off the rim. He has not been lucky.
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
9:00 pm
Nire ,
Not to exacerbate the situation, but it seems that several people have taken note of JJ’s play this first half. I’m not complaining because he’s not causing us problems. If he plays this way in the second half….well, there won’t be much defense for that. However, I expect he’ll get into a decent rhythm and finish out the game well. Hopefully we won’t need it, but I dang sure ain’t gonna turn it down if we do!
BONE ,
You got a point there….
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
9:01 pm
vava ,
Agreed, we do need JJ to play well. I do however, have quite an appreciation for Crawford, who helps us to not only survive, but succeed when JJ is having a game like this. I agree with Sautee….let Jamal have that last shot. Why would you be trying to regain your mojo in the last few seconds of the first half? More productive if you try it at the beginning of the second half. Just my view, though. I ain’t Joe….
BONE
January 29th, 2010
9:01 pm
Watch the lead dwindle with Bibby in there
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
9:01 pm
selling the foul i guess…
washed up.
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
9:03 pm
Jamal waived Joe i guess tired he didnt want the last shot…
what was Joe just yelling about ?
BONE
January 29th, 2010
9:03 pm
Bibby sit yo azz down
Blast
January 29th, 2010
9:04 pm
How can the Hawks be over the limit with 9 minutes to go?
Jody
January 29th, 2010
9:05 pm
When a guy picks up his dribble that far from the basket, keep your feet Marvin.
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
9:05 pm
Josh get that bum Kendrick Perkins…
BONE
January 29th, 2010
9:05 pm
Did they give Boston pts when JJ scored or was that just me?
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
9:06 pm
Kinda splitting hairs, but I felt that most of Joe’s moves were good, but his shots were weak.
However, I think he just got his groove back with that layup. GREAT way to get it turned around, and hopefully it continues.
Meanwhile, Crawford continues to mix gunning it with passing it. Me likes.
JB
January 29th, 2010
9:07 pm
Rondo is so overrated. He’s a creation of this system. I can’t see him running his own team.
BONE
January 29th, 2010
9:07 pm
Perkins is b_tch
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
9:07 pm
thats a leader…
see real dudes dont talk.. they just square up
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
9:09 pm
Sautee,
Don’t lie. You criticize JJ regularly, regardless of whether he’s playing well or not. You couch it in ways that you’re criticizing his general game instead of particular performances when he’s doing well, but you criticize him all the time.
And Ray, I never said JJ was playing well. Just that it’s sadly predictable that we can count on Sautee to pipe up when he’s doing poorly but not give him credit when he’s doing well. Same as Rod with Marvin or Clyde with Horford.
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
9:10 pm
And to think of some of the complaints people made about Flip being much cheaper than Jamal. This is one of those nights (and there have been several) where you just can’t roll with that argument at ALL.
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
9:10 pm
how was that flagrant?
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
9:11 pm
Mo Evans summer work out on display…
Blast
January 29th, 2010
9:12 pm
That was a bad flagrant on Josh. Refs were calling the game well initially.
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
9:12 pm
Big Al is fired up….
JB
January 29th, 2010
9:13 pm
Horford needs to play Perkins like that all the time. Face him up instead of backing him down. He can’t handle Al’s step.
Blast
January 29th, 2010
9:13 pm
Game is getting testy!
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
9:14 pm
Rowdy in there it seems…
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
9:14 pm
Nire ,
Ok, I’m just going to back out and away from this one. Wasn’t trying to light your fire.
Blast
January 29th, 2010
9:15 pm
Hawks getting a lot of ref breaks right now. Was it because of the Cleveland protest?
vava74
January 29th, 2010
9:15 pm
this is a crucial possession… we need to score
vava74
January 29th, 2010
9:16 pm
Blast,
What game are you watching??
Sautee
January 29th, 2010
9:18 pm
By the way who makes the biggest salary on this team?
Vava, I have never given serious credence to the “JJ is jealous of Jamal” thing. I feel it’s more that his role has diminished from a few years ago, and he has yet to adjust.
I see it more as typical of a player in a contract year. Many players, not just JJ.
KevinA
January 29th, 2010
9:19 pm
what is JJ doing – pass the ball
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
9:19 pm
we could sweep the Celtics.
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
9:19 pm
seriously.
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
9:19 pm
Sautee,
Show me the post where you gave credit to JJ after his performance in Boston earlier this month.
I’ll give you a hint: You never made one.
You did say this on the night JJ put up 36 against Boston though, though:
“Kid, why would NJ trade two starters, including their best inside player, for JJ?
WHY?????????????????”
That was the only thing about JJ you could say that night.
But tonight, you managed to post twice to criticize JJ.
Funny, that.
Sautee
January 29th, 2010
9:20 pm
Yes, I’m criticizing him. Is he above that in your eyes?
BONE
January 29th, 2010
9:20 pm
We gotta hit the free throws
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
9:21 pm
Just admit you don’t like JJ, Sautee. Admit you’re hating on him. Admit that you think he’s a selfish arrogant player who doesn’t care about his teammates, considering that’s the gist of all your posts concerning him.
Admit that, and I’ll shut up. But you won’t. You’ll pretend that you’re being fair to him despite the fact that you rarely mention him except to criticize him. And then you’ll pretend that it’s no worse than I am towards Josh despite the fact that the worst thing I’ve said about Josh recently is that he isn’t going to be as good as Kevin McHale. You won’t admit that, for whatever reason, you’ve devolved into a hater.
BONE
January 29th, 2010
9:22 pm
Even Bob and Nique are tellin Joe to pass it
BONE
January 29th, 2010
9:23 pm
Wtf is Joe doin!!!!!!!!!!!
BONE
January 29th, 2010
9:23 pm
Joe is keeping the celtics in it.
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
9:24 pm
Melvin… was that not a sell… or maybe he’s not light enough where he goes flying…
James
January 29th, 2010
9:24 pm
Joe is icing jamal out and I dont care what anyone says
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
9:24 pm
No, he isn’t above criticism Sautee. No one is. But why not give him credit when he does well?
Hmmm?
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
9:25 pm
wow.. KG hand out of bounds while touching the ball…
this ref is the celtics boy boy.
Blast
January 29th, 2010
9:25 pm
Jamal gets more free throws than Joe does.
Hawk n the Ham
January 29th, 2010
9:25 pm
I’m tired of these refs babying KG when Zaza is in the game.
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
9:25 pm
Pierce is pretty much single-handedly keeping his team in the game. Wonder if that reminds him of the days before Allen and Garnett came to town?
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
9:26 pm
And yes, JJ is playing like ish tonight. And he should focus more on being a distributor when his shot isn’t falling, as is the case tonight (but he isn’t doing that).
There, that wasn’t hard for me at all. Funny that the reverse would be like a root canal for Sautee.
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
9:26 pm
Celtics trying to slow walk the Celtics down…
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
9:27 pm
Celtics trying to slow walk the Hawks down…
BONE
January 29th, 2010
9:27 pm
Joe needs to sit next to Bibby on the bench
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
9:28 pm
bigdave,
Sorry, i didnt see the play. my nbatv feed is so bad right now until i can’t tell whats going on….
James
January 29th, 2010
9:29 pm
Joe is not even thinking about passing Jamal the ball even though jamal has been the hottest guy on the team . Hes wont even drive to jamals side or even pass the ball ahead . I know Im not the only one who sees this.
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
9:29 pm
Holy crap guys. Nire and Sautee at it again….
I meant Zaza and Garnett…….
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
9:30 pm
Oh Zaza…
Sautee
January 29th, 2010
9:30 pm
nire, did you see my post last week when I said that we’d be a MUCH better team if he re-signs?
You’re going off the edge bud. Yes I’ve been critical. But I’ve been fair, too.
Do you remember the game a couple of weeks ago when he started hot and I posted ‘keep shooting Joe”.
No, because you are convinced I’m a hater. OK, go with it.
Just scroll when you see my handle.
BONE
January 29th, 2010
9:31 pm
James no I see it too. Joe is freezing Jamal out.I gettin sick of Joe
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
9:31 pm
Ouch. Rathbun and ‘Nique giving JJ the business as well.
Meanwhile, this isn’t about Jamal getting frozen out. When was the last time Al or Josh got some plays run their way consecutively? Or at all?
BONE
January 29th, 2010
9:33 pm
Big Ray it’s just that Jamal had a huge 1st Half and Joe is ball hoggin like a madman
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
9:33 pm
Sautee,
Why didn’t you give him credit after the San Antonio and Boston games? Are you going to pretend that you don’t criticize him for doing poorly more often than you give him credit for doing well?
Because Joe plays well more often than he does poorly, but you sure wouldn’t know it from your posts.
deb1820
January 29th, 2010
9:33 pm
Someone please tell Joe to stop forcing it, he doesn’t have it tonight.
Blast
January 29th, 2010
9:33 pm
Refs are hating but even if Celts tie or take the lead now, I am not worried.
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
9:34 pm
Hate to see us need it, but we need JJ to score now. And that last shot by Jamal? He’s doing the same thing Joe would have done: try to get a bucket to help expand that lead.
We need to go inside if we can, though. It should help open things up.
BONE
January 29th, 2010
9:35 pm
Hawks are choking again. And everybody knows with our 4th qtr offense I’m nervous.
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
9:35 pm
Oh look, Jamal drove to the side of the court opposite JJ too and didn’t pass it to JJ even though he was open. I guess Jamal must be freezing JJ out too. Or maybe they both understand a concept called “spacing.” Naaahhhh….
Lol…Joe was handed a gift with that steal. Who the hell was Pierce throwing to?
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
9:36 pm
Further evidence of why box score stats suck. JJ got credit for that steal despite the fact that it was created by the players trapping Pierce.
BONE
January 29th, 2010
9:36 pm
Niremetal could you be hugging Joe’s nuts any harder?
Hawk n the Ham
January 29th, 2010
9:37 pm
I hope Woody tells Joe to dribble some more. Thats working!!
vava74
January 29th, 2010
9:37 pm
we are going to squander this game… this is looking really bad right now
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
9:37 pm
Bone,
Considering that I said that he’s playing like sh!t and that he shouldn’t have gotten credit for a steal on Pierce’s turnover…why yes, I believe I could.
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
9:38 pm
Fourth quarter is gonna be a grinder. Have to find a way to pull it out.
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
9:38 pm
No call for Joe, good follow by Josh.
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
9:39 pm
Celtcis shot 20 free throws in the 3rd qtr… Can the Hawks get some calls in the 4th..
BONE
January 29th, 2010
9:39 pm
Please don’t let our offense stall
Blast
January 29th, 2010
9:39 pm
It is an established fact. When Hawks move the ball, they do well. But when Joe hogs it, bad things happen. You would think Woody would have addressed this with Joe. Joe has to know that he will always get the ball back at a position where he can get a clean look.
James
January 29th, 2010
9:40 pm
gave away all of our momentum… lost our cool….. bad turnovers…. bad shots missed free throws . Those silly fouls at the start of the 3rd killed us and was just stupid basketball.
td
January 29th, 2010
9:40 pm
Looks like Boston is trying to play 80’s style pistons tonight. It is the only way they could beat the Hawks.
JB
January 29th, 2010
9:40 pm
Face up and drive AL!
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
9:41 pm
Ball movement stopping. JJ main culprit, but it’s all one-pass-shot right now.
Sautee
January 29th, 2010
9:41 pm
Good find by JJ. And his pantaloons look cute.
There, are you happy, nire?
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
9:42 pm
Do that regularly instead of at my prompting and I’ll be happy.
BONE
January 29th, 2010
9:43 pm
LOL @ Nimbers
JB
January 29th, 2010
9:43 pm
Lol..definitely not a “cute jumpshot”
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
9:43 pm
Beautiful move by Al. Refs letting the teams play with a lot of contact.
Jody
January 29th, 2010
9:43 pm
Dominique has a point. The ball needs to start moving and I mean right now. Joe needs to cut the one on one antics or the Celtics are gonna walk out with a win.
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
9:45 pm
Bone,
Yes sir. I finally heard Nique say Nimbers… Too Funny
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
9:47 pm
These Refs are calling everything the Celtics way….
BONE
January 29th, 2010
9:48 pm
LOL @ Bob “the ball has not left his hands”
Jody
January 29th, 2010
9:50 pm
Joe made that last shot, but he had Josh wide open on a lob, say it, and didn’t make the pass. That’s not good basketball.
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
9:50 pm
Joe is back in the game, folks. And not a moment too soon.
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
9:50 pm
Not loving our offense right now. I have a feeling the Celts are gonna adjust…
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
9:51 pm
Jamal may have gone cold from the lack of touches…
BONE
January 29th, 2010
9:52 pm
Nique and Bob are lettin Joe have it and they are right. The other hawks are cold cuz of ballhoggin joe
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
9:53 pm
Even Bob/Nique said that the rest of the team may have gone cold from not touching the ball…..
Blast
January 29th, 2010
9:54 pm
Joe saw that Jamal was having a monster 1st half and decided to cut in on the action. I don’t mind Joe hogging the ball if he ends up with a basket. But a turnover or ugly shot? No way.
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
9:54 pm
Big Ray,
Joe may be back but he took the rest of his teammates out of the game on offense…
DecDawg
January 29th, 2010
9:54 pm
Nice pass by Josh to get Marvin the open look…
KevinA
January 29th, 2010
9:54 pm
WTF is JJ doing? Does he think he is the only one that can score? Leave everybody else just standing around? He can make All-Star but the Hawks will be very limited when he get’s into this mode. Wild stuff.
Jody
January 29th, 2010
9:54 pm
BONE,
My thoughts exactly. That’s selfish basketball. More importantly, it’s not WINNING basketball somewhere down the line, it will come back to haunt them.
jean
January 29th, 2010
9:55 pm
joe is a selfish basterd he is really jeloous of jamal its crazy
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
9:55 pm
We’re slowing down, this ain’t good.
vava74
January 29th, 2010
9:56 pm
why not a technical for KG?????????
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
January 29th, 2010
9:56 pm
Richard Seymour directly behind Nique lol
James
January 29th, 2010
9:56 pm
Joe read the 50 point comments at halftime around here and shut jamal down . lol
jlewis
January 29th, 2010
9:56 pm
Dominique is joining the Joe backlash. When Jamal scores his points, which is all one on one he says nothing, when Joe does it, the teammates are getting cold from not touching the ball. And he was a serious ball hog, all he cared about was the highlight, thats why they traded his ass.
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
9:58 pm
Sure glad Joe are hitting his Shots now b/c those are some terrible shot attempts…
BONE
January 29th, 2010
9:58 pm
Joe might be making em now but his teammates are cold now.
BONE
January 29th, 2010
9:58 pm
LOL @ James
Blast
January 29th, 2010
9:58 pm
Hawks gonna sweep this series, man.
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
9:58 pm
wow… KG sets a moving screen the entire play… yet Marvin is called for a loose ball foul…
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
9:59 pm
What an acting job by Ray….
nvnvnv
January 29th, 2010
9:59 pm
f ray allen
KevinA
January 29th, 2010
9:59 pm
Josh shows how to trust and pass – then a jumper by JJ. Entertaining.
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
9:59 pm
Melvin ,
I was being hopeful because he hit a few shots. Now….well….
BONE
January 29th, 2010
9:59 pm
What Jamal did in the first half is not the same as what joe has done in the 2nd.
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
9:59 pm
what happen to the so called fine the NBA was going to put in effect on flopping…?
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
January 29th, 2010
9:59 pm
time to get a stop and bucket and put these old men away
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
January 29th, 2010
10:00 pm
there it is
nvnvnv
January 29th, 2010
10:00 pm
jamal!
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
10:00 pm
Finally somebody scored besides Joe in this 4th qtr…
James
January 29th, 2010
10:00 pm
Jlewis -Jamal did not score all his points one on one . he usually scores off screen and roll in fact the majority of his points have come from using a screen and driving or spotting up for 3 .
They score nothing alike except at the end of a quarter when a clear out is used .
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
10:01 pm
That’s when you know you’re on…a poorly selected shot turns into a 3-point play.
jlewis
January 29th, 2010
10:01 pm
How is it different Bone, every shot Jamal takes is one on one with the ball in his hands. It is no different, i’m watching the game too.
nvnvnv
January 29th, 2010
10:01 pm
Rasheed cries too much.
BONE
January 29th, 2010
10:02 pm
James just Xplained it jlewis
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
10:03 pm
Again, Joe is taking some terrible shots….
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
January 29th, 2010
10:03 pm
If only sheed took as much time combing..brushing or whatever df he can do with his hair….as he does complaining about foul calls….buddy out there lookin like the missing link…..cave man face a_ _
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
10:03 pm
You’re right, ‘Sheed. The ball does NOT lie. Ball says you have 5 points, 4 fouls, and 2 rebounds. Ball says Josh Smith is whippin’ your azz.
BONE
January 29th, 2010
10:04 pm
wtf is joe doin
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
January 29th, 2010
10:04 pm
what was joe doing???
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
10:05 pm
Yup.
BONE
January 29th, 2010
10:05 pm
SEE JAMAL DOESN’T DO THAT. THATS WHAT I’M TALKIN ABOUT JOE IS A BALL HOG
Blast
January 29th, 2010
10:05 pm
Joe is trying to throw this game.
nvnvnv
January 29th, 2010
10:05 pm
haha BRICK
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
10:05 pm
jlewis he’s been hating on Joe… Jamal has been 1 on 1 tonight as well… they just havent run Joe off any screens…
jlewis
January 29th, 2010
10:05 pm
The same screens they run for Joe to go one on one also. The hawks do not play with cutters, everyone knows they are a screen and roll team
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
January 29th, 2010
10:05 pm
nah seriously…wdf was that?? that kind of play will cost us late in close ball games in the playoffs
Joe has to do better
BONE
January 29th, 2010
10:06 pm
Man bigdave get off Joe’s nuts. Did u not just see what JOe Ballhogger just did.
nvnvnv
January 29th, 2010
10:06 pm
Joe is for sure shooting too often this quarter. Pass the ball.
jean
January 29th, 2010
10:06 pm
jamal is so much better then joe its funny
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
10:07 pm
(That was funny. The stream I’m watching is about 30 seconds behind real time. So I was like “Huh?” JJ wasn’t even near the ball on that play. And then I saw that shot. Yeah….)
jlewis
January 29th, 2010
10:07 pm
I just saw the highlights of his points, every one of them was one on one or off of a screen, it is no different.
welikebaseball2
January 29th, 2010
10:07 pm
And this is where, while Joe & Jamal shoot us into the lead, they shoot the lead away. Pass the ball!!! Uh. Sickening how consistently our ball movement comes to a screeching halt in the 4th quarter of close games.
nvnvnv
January 29th, 2010
10:07 pm
What’s his shooting % this quarter?
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
10:07 pm
Heh….Joe hasn’t been run off any screens because when he goes 1 on 1, the whole court clears out. Jamal welcomes the screen.
Having said that, I think we just saw the best shot by Joe all night, just now.
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
10:08 pm
yessir….
say what you want but that ball hogging sob hit some key baskets to put this one away when it was in the balance…
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
10:08 pm
Glad to see Joe guard Paul. He force Paul to pass which lead to Jamal steal and dagger dunk…. Go job Joe…
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
January 29th, 2010
10:08 pm
Joe’s thoughts after that last bucket he made
“only one more deuce for me to be the leading scorer for the team…yes!!!”
Joe’s thoughts after that last bucket by crawford
“atleast I’m an all-star”
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2010
10:09 pm
Wow. Iso-Joe is annoying most of the time, but when he’s in the zone like that, he’s as unstoppable as Kobe and LeBron. That was as good of a 4th quarter as I’ve seen anyone play this year.
Blast
January 29th, 2010
10:09 pm
Joe needs to take a chill pill. He is still an All Star and Jamal is not. If it wasn’t for Jamal, Hawks would have lost this game.
BONE
January 29th, 2010
10:10 pm
If Joe does his ballhoggin act against the Magic were gonna lose. They’re not old like the celtics.
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
10:10 pm
Ray…
im talking about when Joe is off ball… when he does not have the ball ya know… during that home stretch they were doing that consistently…
and that last 3 was to all you haters.
James
January 29th, 2010
10:10 pm
People dont understand what one on one is .
Jamal can go iso with the ebst of them but he rarely clears it out unless its a end of the quarter shot
he uses teh screen… why ? because it forces the entire defense to move and is much harder to guard .Once he comes around that pick he has options that are created by us now having a 4 on 3 advantage .
Joe when he takes soo many dribbles forces no one to move and basically forces himself into tough shots
nvnvnv
January 29th, 2010
10:11 pm
This makes me happy…. now if only we could beat Orlando ONCE!
Blast
January 29th, 2010
10:11 pm
Hawks did it! A sweep!!!!!!!!
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
10:11 pm
4-0.
4-0.
4-0.
vava74
January 29th, 2010
10:11 pm
Sautee,
Now go tell Mrs. Sautee to wash the dishes and stop nagging about JJ!!!
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
10:11 pm
Somewhere Astro Joe spilled his popcorn when he saw Jamal to stole that pass for Ray….
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
10:11 pm
man BONE get off the blog you are annoying.
Birds v. Irish
January 29th, 2010
10:12 pm
Win in Orlando, Boston has Lakers at home sooo … Woody will be personally coaching his All Stars!!
*Just please win in Orlando. You’ve proven yourselves to Boston now it’s time to show Orlando a thing or two!
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
10:14 pm
Let’s get the Magic tomorrow and send Woody to the All Star game…
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
10:15 pm
Give it to Jamal for keeping things going well throughout the game.
Give it to Al and Josh for holding their own despite being all but ignored on the offensive end in the second half.
Give it to the bench for coming up big.
Give it to Joe for hitting some big shots in the 4th quarter, when we needed them.
We shouldn’t have needed them and in some ways the source of solution was also the source of the problem.
However, WE JUST SWEPT THE CELTS, AND THAT’S ALL THAT REALLY MATTERS!
Welcome to 2nd place, Atlanta. You’ve earned it. Now for the Magic….
vava74
January 29th, 2010
10:15 pm
JJ was there when we needed him.
The game only close due to the bad refereeing. The celts shot 20FT on the second quarter alone!!!!
Any drive by the celts = foul by the Hawks… any drive by the Hawks = “great defence by BOS”…
BONE
January 29th, 2010
10:16 pm
Bigdave u get off the blog all u do is hug Joes nuts. U make it seem like Joe is Michael Jordan up in here. I call him a ballhog becuz he is. I’m not lying. I’m telling the truth.
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
10:17 pm
Hawks in 2nd place… I like it…
Sautee
January 29th, 2010
10:18 pm
Now, now vava,
Don’t hate on Mrs. Sautee. She made a valid observation that Josh seems to be the leader of the cheering section on the bench while the second team is playing.
She thinks Joe should be more of a leader. That’s as valid an opinion as any.
And…”go wash the dishes”? Man that’s not only lame, but insulting as well. I’ll have to say that’s surprising coming from you.
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
10:20 pm
Who was the first person to mob Jamal after he hit the game-winner? Oh. Right. Joe.
That being said, his play tonight won’t cut it against Orlando. Boston is weirdly vulnerable to ISO-oriented offenses. They are so confident in the capabilities of their on-ball defenders that they always are late to help on D. Ironic that a team’s strong defense can actually expose them to the simplest possible offensive scheme.
Against Orlando’s gang-defense, though, it won’t work.
KevinA
January 29th, 2010
10:21 pm
Another win and Woody coaching the All-Star game. Wow
Wabe
January 29th, 2010
10:21 pm
YIKES
4-0
OWNED!!
KevinA
January 29th, 2010
10:22 pm
Such a fun win. Loved the intensity.
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
10:23 pm
Joe came through. Had a feeling we were gonna need that, but I don’t like that we needed it.
That ain’t nothing against Joe, just that we shouldn’t have frozen Al and Josh out, then gotten away from defending and running. Celtics changed the pace of the game, and we let them. But we won. Great growth and fortitude shown by this team.
As for those getting on Bigdave about JJ, y’all act like this is something new. Dude never has a cross word to say about him, but such is his right, agreed or not.
We just swept the Celtics. Everybody gets a piece of that game ball.
Josh is far and away the biggest cheerleader on his team when he’s sitting on the bench.
Vava clearly has no experience with American women.
jlewis
January 29th, 2010
10:23 pm
A leader, so if you’re jumping up hollering and screaming you are a leader. Does anyone know what Joe does off the court, practice, the guy is durable, verbal isnt the only way to lead.
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
10:24 pm
The Joe vs. Jamal stuff is nonsense. Doesn’t exist.
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
10:24 pm
Wabe, this is the internet. It’s “pwned.” Get with the program
jlewis
January 29th, 2010
10:25 pm
I agree Ray, you dont have to bash one to like the other. Joe was screaming for more veterans two years ago, he welcomes it.
Sautee
January 29th, 2010
10:27 pm
Actually, Ray, I’ve seen bigdave criticize JJ several different times. A few times I had to ask him if he was ok.
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
10:27 pm
A leader, so if you’re jumping up hollering and screaming you are a leader. Does anyone know what Joe does off the court, practice, the guy is durable, verbal isnt the only way to lead.
Here we go again….
jlewis
January 29th, 2010
10:29 pm
I just asked the question Ray, many of us are professionals in the workforce, I havent seen it defined on here, I want to know.
vava74
January 29th, 2010
10:31 pm
uuuuhuuuuhuuu…. touchy touchy Sautee…
can’t you stand a joke?
Feeling sensitive after JJ took over the game and saved our asses? You almost sound like someone who would have preferred to lose the game and prove a point on JJ’s selfishness of lack of leading skills…
JJ unfortunately is not an expansive dude. Do you feel that leading is waving towels and chest bumping your team mates??
I am all for a good team spirit but JJ is what he is: a quiet and almost silent guy. His interviews must be a collection of “uhhh…”, “I guess…”, “yeah…” and three word sentences at best.
You and Mrs. Sautee have ABSOLUTELY NO indication that JJ is not a good team mate and that he is selfish.
Does he demand the ball a lot during some games? Too much at times?? Well, he is the top paid guy on the team and probably Woody tells him to go ISO because he trusts him.
Sometimes it goes well, sometime it doesn’t. Overall we should not complain.
I said during half time that JJ had to step up and find his shot in order for us to win and that was precisely what happened when the celts adjusted and Crawford was virtually put out of the game when the defence started to swarm him at the top of the key.
Craw is a genius sometimes but he is also prone to go dry and keep jacking up bad shots.
We have both guys and we should feel lucky instead of trying to undermine what we have.
As for Josh, yes, his energy is wonderful and today he managed – just by a hair – not to get a technical… leader?… no… energizer? yes.
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
10:31 pm
Jlewis ,
Don’t read too much into that stuff, seriously. Some people just want to see JJ display the same kind of passion Josh does. Well, to me that’s unrealistic in some ways. Shall we also expect Josh to show the same kind of “coolness” that Joe does when he’s not getting a call?
Like you say, no need to bash either player for who or what they are.
Sautee ,
Criticism yes, a cross word, no. Therein lies the difference, although we seemed to be having technical difficulties on that subject this evening.
Bigdave has criticized JJ before, I know. But he doesn’t call him names or use exaggerations to describe what he thinks about him. I can appreciate that.
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
10:31 pm
Jlewis ,
Part of my post was missing, sorry. I wasn’t after you on that one, I meant to also cut and paste another related post and illustrate how people like to take small differences of viewpoint and turn them into something they aren’t. After I realized half my post was missing (still not sure what button I hit), I then tried to re-explain myself. Maybe I better put the shovel down, eh?
jlewis
January 29th, 2010
10:34 pm
Ray
I didnt read too much into it, this franchise has been down, no one wanted to come here and play in a bunch of empty seats described as people, Joe did, and thats where it started, where is the loyalty? Fans want it, but they never give it, he grew up with these guys. The venom sometimes is just sickening.
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
10:36 pm
Remarkable way for the Chi-NO game to go to OT. Wow. Godawful pass by David West.
Sautee
January 29th, 2010
10:37 pm
jlewis,
I agree, and that’s not her point (the cheering). She hears me talk most games (yes, i said most) about Joe taking defensive possessions off, about missing the bigs when they have their man pinned in the lane, about making shots harder than they have to be, etc. She ALSO hears me saying how great he CAN be. She likes Joe just fine and enjoyed the profile on SportsSouth. She just thinks as a Captain, he should be more demonstrative, AND should be an example on defense. And so do I.
KG and MJ are well known to DRIVE their teammates on defense. THAT’S the kind of leadership Joe fails to show. But hey, we won and I’m delighted. And Joe WAS big in the 4th.
vava74
January 29th, 2010
10:39 pm
jlewis,
right on! JJ did not came only for the money, he came to start a new thing and be the leader.
he has done that. he was there when we took BOS to 7 games… was he perfect? no, but in the wins we had in ATL he had pretty good games.
without that series, we would not be where we are, that was the spark and JJ was there igniting it
Astro Joe
January 29th, 2010
10:39 pm
Man, y’all should go back and look at the comments during the 4th quarter. Joe can’t catch a break. Dude scores 16 (I think) in the 4th quarter after the Hawks are up by a single point. If he had missed the shots the comments would have been “Joe isn’t clutch”. But when he took the shots the comments were “Joe is a ball hog”. I guess no one was calling Pierce a ball hog when he exploited his advantage in the 3rd quarter. And I’m sure when other stars score 15 4th quarter points against an elite defensive team, they too are behaving in a manner detrimental to the team.
vava74
January 29th, 2010
10:43 pm
Astro,
Exactly:
16 points by Kobe, Wade or Lebron against BOS: genius, out of this world, super star…
16 points by JJ: ball hog!!!!
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
10:44 pm
Astro,
did you spilled your popcorn when Jamal stole the game winning pass? LOL
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
10:44 pm
Vava ,
You’re truly hilarious sometimes. Nothing is funnier than the guy who pushes a button, then tries to act surprised when something happens….
Feeling sensitive after JJ took over the game and saved our asses? You almost sound like someone who would have preferred to lose the game and prove a point on JJ’s selfishness of lack of leading skills…
Oh that’s rich. You know, it sounds as though you feel that the team had been floundering all along, then got saved by JJ when they just couldn’t do any more to help their poor little selves. Tell me, who was “saving our asses” when we were up by double digits, despite JJ hitting just 3 of 11 shots and having just one assist? I would be very interested in hearing your account of what the entire rest of the team, coaching staff included, was doing that caused them to lose this game that JJ saved for all of them?
Don’t get me wrong. I posted much, much earlier in the game that despite JJ’s struggle to be effective in the first three quarters (yes, THREE quarters), we may need JJ’s scoring by the end of the game. However, last I looked it was a team game. Ah yes, and the typical downplaying of what Josh brings. He’s just an energizer after all. For all that, we could save money and play Mario West instead. He’s an energizer too. Heh….
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
10:46 pm
Sautee,
Phil Jackson has written and said repeatedly that Pippen was the Bulls’ defensive quarterback. And he was, as you can tell pretty easily if you watch old tapes of their games. Jordan did not fill the role you just described. When he was vocal to his teammates, it generally was not to say nice things.
Astro Joe
January 29th, 2010
10:47 pm
I would suspect that the players who average 36+ minutes per contest find ways to take a breather while on the court. And my guess is that they sometimes take off defensive possessions. Likewise, I’m guessing that they do NOT do that during critical times in a contest. All I know is that when the Celtics needed a basket, Joe was the one defending Pierce. And his strong defense on Pierce forced the pass to Rasheed which led to a miss and ultimately to Crawford’s steal to clinch the game. But the initial defensive stop came when Pierce tried unsuccessfully to take Joe off the dribble and was forced to give up the ball for a 25 footer.
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
10:48 pm
The Hawks move into 2nd place in the conference after beating the 2nd place team and we are having an ALL OUT bird fight on the blog tonight…unbelieveable….
Ree Roe
January 29th, 2010
10:48 pm
Real proud of the effort tonight by the bench & by Jamal & Joe. Good coaching, good all around effort. Now can we do this in ORL? A win tomorrow down there would be huge
-REEcently Roe!!!
DecDawg
January 29th, 2010
10:50 pm
Sautee…you hit the nail on the head. To get to that elite level as a player (and the Hawks as a team), Joe needs to step up on the other end of the court. He doesn’t lead the team defensively (or hustle) which is why his place as the team leader is always in question…as it should be.
Astro Joe
January 29th, 2010
10:51 pm
Melvin, were you peeking through my window? LMAO! I had a… wait for it… I’m about to use Woody’s favorite word… HUGE bowl of popcorn. And I never spill the good stuff… popped on the stove like my father taught me. Hawks games require the real deal… not that microwave crap.
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
10:53 pm
Ray,
Now you’re caricaturing what vava said. He never said that Josh is nothing more than an energizer. Just said that the actions in question are indicative of an energizer, not a leader.
That being said, JJ isn’t a team leader, from what I can tell. That role falls more to Bibby and Horford. Nothing wrong with that. The vocal, motivating “team leader” on the title-winning Lakers was Rick Fox. For the Rockets, it was the Jet and Clyde. For the Bulls, it was more Pippen than Jordan (mythology to the contrary notwithstanding). Your best player need not a traditional “team leader.”
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
10:53 pm
Jlewis ,
I think we were talking about two different things. I was talking about Josh’s passion vs. Joe’s “not so passionate” displays. I think you were talking about Joe and the venom he gets in general.
Well, you’re right, he did want to come here, but it was a mutual thing. He also wanted the hell out of Phoenix and told Sarver not to match the Hawks’ offer. Glad he’s here, and glad so many of his current teammates are here. Loyalty? You do know that when the Cavs lose, Lebron gets burned in effigy, and the same happens in L.A. with Kobe, right? Loyalty can be had with a side of criticism, though I agree that often times people go overbooard with what they have to say. Such is their right….though that is little comfort to the more sensitive of us. Luckily for JJ, he has $70 million to fall back on. By the way, it all started with trading Diaw and two first round picks ALONG with offering homeboy $70 million. Think that might raise expectations a hair? Naw.
Astro Joe ,
Some of us saw it coming in the first place, and KNEW we’d need Joe in the 4th. It’s our nature to make things hard on ourselves, it seems.
Sautee
January 29th, 2010
10:54 pm
vava,
wtf????????????
“You and Mrs. Sautee have ABSOLUTELY NO indication that JJ is not a good team mate and that he is selfish”
Tell me where we said that. WTF? Stop making ish up.
And would YOU be pleased if a blogger denigrated YOUR wife? Maybe that’s ok in Portugal, but here…. well don’t try it in a sports bar. To say “can’t you take a joke” denies the insult, which it WAS, whether you perceive it that way or not.
Fundamentals
January 29th, 2010
10:55 pm
Maturity, resolve, hustle, team play! Great win. Everyone contributed to this win, with our 4 stars shining. Let’s get some rest for tomorrow. Everyone will need it! Awesome game.
Astro Joe
January 29th, 2010
10:56 pm
Some of y’all are equating defense to blocked shots or steals. Joe has done a really good job of defending everyone from Derrick Rose to LeBron James and a whole bunch of folk in between (and not just on switches but by assignment). No, he’s not an All-World defender but he isn’t the indifferent defender some are making him out to be.
Melvin
January 29th, 2010
10:57 pm
Astro,
You are a funny dude. Glad to see ya back…..
niremetal
January 29th, 2010
10:57 pm
To answer your question, vava – yes, Sautee apparently is touchy. Then again, I’ve noticed that off-color jokes about women seems to be more in vogue among we of the younger generation, who recognize that it was mean purely satirically (and know that their friends will also recognize it as such). Generation gap.
Sleepy
January 29th, 2010
10:57 pm
Those shots Joe took was horrible . YES HE MADE THEM but that doesnt make them good shots and it doesnt mean he wasnt ballhogging.
This is not the same team it was 3 seasons ago I expect Joe to be preparing this team to go further in the playoffs. I dont think what Joe did tonight prepared this team for anything instead he padded his stats against a good team .
I dont get why people just cant recognize bad play for what it is BAD PLAY. We got a big win but do fans honestly believe that teams dont watch tape of Joe refusing to pass it.
Joe had 1 assist even though the team was leading by double digits when he couldnt even make a shot .Its amazing instead of just recognizing what it is and expecting better people will argue to death about how.
When House is making shots Pierce will use House to help stretch the floor for himself and if the defense cheats too hard HE WILL PASS IT.
If Gibson or Williams is making shots Lebron will feed them until they are off because he understands that them making shots and him showing confidence in them making shots will only open up things for himself down the road .
If Fisher, Sasha,or Brown is on fire Kobe will go for a triple double
yet somehow Joe routinely ignores his teammates to get his points and shots and people applaud him and try to elevate him to superstar status thinking that kinda of play can take us to the next level.
At this rate Joe will implode in the playoffs and then sign elsewhere wasting a plum opportunity for this franchise to get to the finals . It really is disturbing.
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
10:57 pm
Now you’re caricaturing what vava said. He never said that Josh is nothing more than an energizer. Just said that the actions in question are indicative of an energizer, not a leader.
No kidding. Now why does that method of addressing the underlying issue seem so familiar?
To hell with it. I’m not going to get into this nonsense this late at night. What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, no matter who likes the gander more than the goose, and that’s all I’m gonna say.
vava74
January 29th, 2010
11:01 pm
I see that my refined humour is not matching the public…
well… JJ saving our asses:
The Hawks lost control over the emotions with the bad refereeing, Crawford went cold and we were missing FTs and not buying a basket. Al was not getting calls inside against bigbaby and Josh was not getting anywhere inside when KG stepped up defensively: he also had a turnover which could have been a very costly one: with a double dribble… go figure. He also missed 5FT…
On the other hand, JJ scored 16 (Crawford also woke up again for 5 or 7, if I am not wrong). I say that this qualifies as a “saving asses performance”
Josh being a leader:
Anyone who has to be removed by 5 guys away from hostile refs in order not to be kicked out of a game does not qualify as a “leader”.
I love Josh’s game, in particular this year, now that he does not launch so many stupid jump shots and is complaining a mite less.
Having said that, he is an energizer: someone who changes the flow of the game with his exuberance and effort (which sometimes is miss guided – see above).
JJ’s leading capabilities: could be a better but are not bad at all. it’s the way he is and there is little to nothing we can do
Astro Joe
January 29th, 2010
11:01 pm
Ray, yep, I saw your forecast that “we need Joe to make some shots”… and he did. Of course, in order to make shots, you kind of need to take them. I know that you understand that but others, not so much. Seems Joe should be able to score without shooting. That would be a REALLY cool trick. Like sweeping a team with a lightening quick All-Star PG without playing Teague for extensive minutes. That would be another awesome trick.
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
11:03 pm
Button pushers unite….I’m going to bed, y’all can have it, amused to see we still know how to take sides.
Hawks are 30-15 y’all. 2nd place in the East. Staring at Orlando tomorrow night. Round 2 of the canniblogging begin. Man do I wish we were all in a sports bar sometimes….
O'Brien
January 29th, 2010
11:04 pm
I didnt see the game, but from looking at the comments and checking the boxscore, I think I have a pretty good idea of what happened.
Crawford on fire early, and JJ’s shots weren’t falling. Second half, JJ decides to keep shooting until the shots start falling (instead of finding the open man). JJ finally gets it going in the 4th. Hawks win.
I can always find something to complain about, but for tonight, I will enjoy the Hawks being in second place in the East.
JJ said we need to be mentally tough for the Orlando game tomorrow, and he’s right. Orlando is well rested, they’re playing at home, and they have a chance to send Van Gundy to the ASG.
Great win tonight. Lets beat Orlando tomorrow.
Sautee
January 29th, 2010
11:04 pm
vava,
“You almost sound like someone who would have preferred to lose the game and prove a point on JJ’s selfishness of lack of leading skills…”
Seriously man, that’s WAY over the line. Do you REALLY think I care more about that BS than WINNING THE GAME? Have you been reading my posts?
And, once again, where did I say Joe was selfish? The only comment I made regarding that was to say that Jamal should have had the last shot of the half, which YOU AGREED WITH.
So once again, I say WTF? Why the attack?
Astro Joe
January 29th, 2010
11:06 pm
Oh yeah and it was interesting to see how each team handled different 3rd quarter flare0ups. Doc (respected and beloved) had a major meltdown that led to his ejection, a huge fine and his team subsequently lost a double-digit lead in Boston. Woody gets a technical tonight but stays on the bench, his team battels thru a 3rd quarter where the Celtics shot almost as many free throws as the Hawks points in the quarter. And when the team fouls were re-set in the 4th quarter, the Hawks left the Celtics behind for a nice victory.
jlewis
January 29th, 2010
11:09 pm
I have no problem with the criticism, and the reason he left Phoenix was over $5 million and being disrespected, people in the know knew what they were losing, the Colangelo’s recommended Sarver pay him and they didnt. The unjust criticism from fans and Dominique will get back to him and he’ll be gone, and as you know, D-Wade and Kobe are not coming, the franchise can’t afford it.
You talk about Josh’s passion, I love it, but Josh was the worst coached high schooler I have ever seen in the league, he had no handles, shot or knew how to play. People need to give Woody some credit for Josh also, but they don’t, he played that kid and didnt give up on him. Appreciate the team, because when Joe leaves, trust me, it will be different, ask Phoenix
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
11:10 pm
Vava ,
Your refined humor is not matching the public? You remind me of HB Ando calling the rest of the blog the “unwashed masses.” Quick, tell us another one. Like, your defacation has no odor…. LOL
Astro Joe ,
LOL. That really was a good one. Kudos to Woody for sticking with what was working, and knowing when to play which guard. I’m a tad worried about tomorrow night, though.
DecDawg
January 29th, 2010
11:12 pm
Truth be told, Marvin draws the toughest defensive assignments. Now when he’s out of the lineup, we rotate different guys onto Lebron, Carmelo, Durant, Pierce and the like but let’s not act like Joe always guards the best scorer. And for the record, I equate defense with hustle, ball denial, actually staying with your guy once he crosses the foul line, rotation, help defense, etc. And by this criteria, Joe is not indifferent but he can do more and it’s easy to see that he’s not giving maximum effort.
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
11:13 pm
jlewis ,
Agreed on all points, but what makes you think that Joe is leaving? No kidding we wouldn’t be the same. You’re never the same when the all-star you built your team around leaves. How much different in the end would be anybody’s guess, and I’m not willing to step that far out into conjecture at this point, as Sund would have to make some seriously shrewd moves and….uh, I’m just going to do like anybody else and think about crossing that bridge IF and WHEN we get to it. Peace….
Big Ray
January 29th, 2010
11:15 pm
Sautee ,
That wasn’t over the line. That was refined humor. How dare you not comprehend the more subtle nuances of the humorously elite when they deign to smile upon you and take notice of your myopic existence? Whoooaaaa…gotta back off of these meds….
Sautee
January 29th, 2010
11:15 pm
Yeah Ray, how dare I?
O'Brien
January 29th, 2010
11:16 pm
Why did Bibby only play 9 minutes?
jlewis
January 29th, 2010
11:18 pm
Question is, why would he stay? Bibby played 9 minutes because when his shot is not falling he brings nothing to the floor, Jamal got his minutes.
vava74
January 29th, 2010
11:21 pm
Sautee,
You are looking at the whole blogging thing waaaay to seriously.
Nonetheless, I apologise if I offended you or your wife. That was not my intention since my words were not meant to be read literally. I even added a nice smiley face to break the ice since it was just a figure of speech…
As for your view on JJ in particular, it was not the first time that you (and your wife) judge JJ based on a lack of external manifestations of joy, leadership or unselfishness all based on what you can see on TV.
I think it is unfair to judge JJ like that.
JJ is averaging 20-5-5 (roughly) which should be a pretty good indication that he both scores, hustles and shares the rock.
Further to this, he is WIDELY perceived by his peers and by the experts as one of the most balanced players in the NBA and that includes considering him an elite defender.
Obviously, he does not match up well against everyone (Nate, for instance), but to forget his performances in which he completely shuts down some of the most dangerous opponents it is again unfair (there you are also wrong Astro) specially when he has to overcome day in day out Bibby’s lack of defensive capabilities.
All this came after you complained heavily against JJ in a game which we were winning. The fact that he only had 1 assist does not mean that he was not working out there to get things done, specially on defence where stats are more deceiving.
JJ is a great player and if he leaves, it will be very difficult to replace and our record will suffer.
All in all, I think you look at JJ with a more critical eye than you do other players. It’s only human and not the cause for a riot.
I was just pulling you chain in a moment of joy. It’s 4.20AM here in PT and to be honest, I am certifiably mad for still being up so late just for this “post game jousting”.
doc
January 29th, 2010
11:27 pm
rms, do you remember stating this? ….
“rms
January 29th, 2010
5:13 pm
I can hear the coughing beginning to start already…..CHOKE!!! No way these Hawks pull off a 4-0 sweep of the Celtics or my name aint rms!!!”
famous last words. heh heg
dude it was fun tonight to yell SWEEP as the game ended. best one of them could muster was wait until the playoffs. of the top four in the east, they are the team least likely to get out of the first round unless they get some juice from somewhere.
doc
January 29th, 2010
11:28 pm
another couple of airballs for jj tonight.
Season Ticket Holder
January 29th, 2010
11:28 pm
Joe Johnson started slow and struggled with his shot, but put it together when it was needed. The rest of the team played well while JJ found his groove. A great game and finally the fans cheered as if we have a team to be proud of. I think this sweep will go a long way for the psych of this “still young team”. Go HAWKS!
Wabe
January 29th, 2010
11:34 pm
I think we really need to go into and come out of the all-star break giving Teague more minutes. We’ve got to get him comfortable and creating for others within this offense. Bibby’s lack of minutes late in games points to his decline. It’s important for us to bring our young point gaurd along as we get later into the season and into the playoffs.
If Woody could spare this kid 10-15 good minutes every night, I’d be satsified. I just don’t like how he throws the kid out there here or there and then expects the kid to play up to the level of everybody else. I know we’re actually playing for something and games are precious, but we’ve got to get this kid into the fold.
Sautee
January 29th, 2010
11:34 pm
vava,
I think that I look at Joe, like I do the “leader” of every team. If you make the highest salary, than you have a responsibility to lead. If you are team captain, you have a responsibility to lead. I realize that his personality is ill-suited for the job. But you know, he didn’t take a pay cut for not having the personality of a leader.
That said, I have stated MANY times on this blog, that we will be worse off if he leaves.
Thank you for acknowledging that you offended my wife. Me, you can dis all day (or night) long. However, I STILL want you to show me where I said Joe was selfish, which you have accused me of. Or else take it back.
doc
January 29th, 2010
11:38 pm
o’b about bibby ….
because he sucked,
jamal was a huge upgrade and
he might have gotten an injury to the face in the first quarter it seemed
since i was at the game how bad did we start was it about 1 for 12. man it was ugly, down 16 to 7. we had to go to our second unit to turn things around there. within minutes they had gone on a 20 point spread to make it a double digit lead. seemed they were led by jamal and zaza.
Wabe
January 29th, 2010
11:39 pm
Not trying to sound like a critic tonight, because I know we just finished up a sweep of the C’s. Just think it’s in our best interest for us to get the kid up to speed to help us out in both the near and distant future.
And I know people can pull out the stats and downplay Teague getting more minutes, pointing to stats such as FG % or turnovers. But, our lack of a true PG holds us back more than one would suggest. The lulls we tend to experience point to this. We need a guy that can penetrate and set others up, and that’s exactly what Teague offers.
bigdave
January 29th, 2010
11:42 pm
Big Ray…
though im sure it gets overlooked due to my undeniable support i am critical of Joe’s play when it deserves criticism. just not one of those that choose to be unappreciative….
Astro…
not to mention the defense he’s played on legitimate pf and center post scorers (i dont think he’s been scored on)… how many 2 guards can do that?
maybe if Joe was a bit more of a RARA!! chest beating, pixy dust throwing guy he’d be liked more. maybe he needs to act hurt and tell everyone how hurt he his all the time instead of just shutting up and coming to work…
bottom line, Joe stepped up when we needed him.. like Portland, like Cleveland in Cleveland, like Bos.
vava74
January 29th, 2010
11:48 pm
Sautee,
new blog up. I posted the same post there and reply to your nee post there too.
Samuel
January 30th, 2010
12:12 am
Woody=COY
replica ugg
March 28th, 2010
7:44 am
If the Celtics can keep the Big Three are not injured, then they will go further