Hawks squawks: Thunder 94, Hawks 91

– Did the Hawks not realize the Thunder would come out and play hard? It’s pretty much what that team is known for. Well, that and Kevin Durant’s sick skills.

– Durant had 29 points but that wasn’t really the problem for the Hawks. “We got outworked it seemed like in every aspect of the game,” said Josh Smith.

– I thought the Thunder would give the Hawks problems because of their scrappy, relentless style. So did Woody: “You try to alert your guys to get them ready. I thought we just thought we were going to show up and beat them.”

–The Thunder built a 15-point lead by relentlessly attacking the basket. The Hawks got back in it with stronger resistance at the rim and good work on the boards.

– The Hawks showed defensive grit in the fourth quarter. But the ball movement and shot selection were weak, so the Hawks never could gain the lead even as the Thunder suffered its own offensive drought.

– “We limited them to one shot, got a couple steals here and there, capitalized on turnovers, but down the stretch we didn’t make shots,” said Marvin Williams.

– “We should have kept going inside-out,” Smith said. “It would have opened up the 3-point shot.”

– Um, maybe that’s not such a good thing, though. The Hawks clanked 7 of 8 3-point attempts in the fourth quarter. “Those are shots that guys on this team normally take in the fourth quarter,” Smith said.

Mike Bibby missed three consecutive wide open 3-pointers in the fourth quarter. Jamal Crawford missed all three of his attempts, including the potential tying shot at the buzzer.

– “When you’re making them, they look good,” Woody said. “When you are not making them, you have to get to the rim and try to at least get to the free throw line, and we just didn’t do it.”

– I get the feeling I’m going to be writing that again and again over the next few weeks, so let me just go ahead and copy and paste.

– Smoove was great with 18 points, 12 rebounds and seven assists. If only his teammates matched his energy.

– He sparked the Hawks when they got back in the game before halftime. He blocked Jeff Green’s shot and fed Al Horford for a layup the other way, dunked on the next Hawks possession and found Bibby with a nice crosscourt pass for a 3-pointer.

– Bibby and Smith worked the pick-and-roll nicely early. The Thunder had to stop trapping Bibby. Swatting at the ball as Smith took a dribble proved to be more effective. He’s a beast when he gets to the rim but sometimes awkward on the way there.

Jeff Teague got some early burn. If you saw how scary athletic the Thunder is, even in comparison to the Hawks, you understand why.

Zaza, back after missing two games with flu-like symptoms, had five boards in five minutes during his first stint and finished with nine in 15 minutes. His toughness was needed with Horford in foul trouble.

–It seemed like the Thunder was beating the Hawks to every loose ball for a while. Durant and Co. really made the Hawks work.

–Hawks had seven turnovers in first half. Precise passing is a must against Oklahoma City, which is always swiping at the ball and diving for it when it’s loose.

–On one play Bibby ended up posted up behind Thunder big man B.J. Mullens. Bibby managed to fight him off from turning to the middle, and Mullens was called for a hook on his move to the baseline. Nice work.

–Bibby drew the assignment on Sefolosha, who is five inches taller, with Johnson on Russell Westbrook. The Thunder finally exploited the mismatch when it took control early in the third. Sefolosha twice scored easily over Bibby in the post.

– It’s one thing to get lit up by Durant. It’s quite another to let Nenad Krstic hurt you. The Hawks didn’t make it too hard on Krstic, who for stretches pretty much got open midrange jumpers whenever he felt like stepping out.

– The Hawks didn’t play great but the Thunder is legit. What would that team do in the East?

– “They compete,” Crawford said. “They are kind of like this team a couple years ago. They are on their way, for sure.”

– It seems like this Hawks team now needs to be more like the Thunder. Durant is one-of-a-kind but how good could the Hawks be if they were as aggressive attacking the basket and came out with that Thunder intensity all the time?

– I’m back to .500. Dang.

– And I’m out, Hawks fans.

MC

98 comments Add your comment

BONE

January 18th, 2010
7:46 pm

Bibby was garbage again

Ree Roe

January 18th, 2010
7:53 pm

All excellent points MC. When we don’t attack the basket, you get those scoring droughts that killed the momentum we had to end the 3rd Q. Ah well, good game by OKC. MC, I kno you just got here, but what do you think the Hawks are missing to make them a true threat for a title?

-REEcently Roe????

SWAT Native

January 18th, 2010
7:57 pm

The Thunder are 11-4 against the East, if that answers your question.

Astro Joe

January 18th, 2010
8:14 pm

The Magic are 9-10 since their 17-4 start.

Good to know that we are in the race to be “King of the Pigs”. By the way, Magic play the Lakers tonight… so we may still be in 1st, although that is clearly unimportant.

Astro Joe

January 18th, 2010
8:17 pm

“We got outworked it seemed like in every aspect of the game,” said Josh Smith.

– I thought the Thunder would give the Hawks problems because of their scrappy, relentless style. So did Woody: “You try to alert your guys to get them ready. I thought we just thought we were going to show up and beat them.”

The answer is SO clear… a better offensive system. That will fix all of the Hawks’ problems AND solve Atlanta traffic. Anyone have Mayor Reed’s cell phone number?

Sautee

January 18th, 2010
8:24 pm

I said in the offseason that Al and Josh were ready for a larger role and that to deny them was asking for chemistry problems. We’ll see as the season progresses if I was right. Already, after the Magic game, Al said publicly that he was surprised to not get the ball more (He was 6-7 that game).

And now here’s Josh: “We should have kept going inside-out,” Smith said. “It would have opened up the 3-point shot.”

Are the guards listening? Are the coaches?

Sautee

January 18th, 2010
8:28 pm

AJ,

“The answer is SO clear… a better offensive system. That will fix all of the Hawks’ problems AND solve Atlanta traffic. Anyone have Mayor Reed’s cell phone number?”

LOL. Maybe your smarmiest post ever.

By the way, just for the sake of clarity, were you HAPPY with our offensive “system” in the 4th quarter?

Hawk Str8Talk

January 18th, 2010
8:28 pm

Good to know that you have the Hawks number already. If only we can begin the transition to depending on to Smoove and Horford primarily before we continue to shoot ourselves out of games in the fourth quarter.

terrell

January 18th, 2010
8:43 pm

Marvin said “we didn’t make shots down the stretch”? Doesn’t he mean they? He was on the bench down the stretch. Wtf!

bigdave

January 18th, 2010
8:43 pm

Sautee…

so b/c he ended up w/ more shot attempts in the quarter he didnt defer in role? defer by definition; implies a deliberate putting off to a later time. now my point was to the claim that Joe hated Jamal, or was not willing to share the basketball… so what are you saying? if Joe ended up w/ 1 less shot than Jamal he deferred at that point… ummmm… ok.

“(he clearly deferred to and looked for Jamal late), all the while making plays and shots helping the Hawks cause.”

i dont think deferring is limited to shot attempts but its fine if you do.

Mac-Town'z Finest 478

January 18th, 2010
8:45 pm

lmao @ terrell

Mac-Town'z Finest 478

January 18th, 2010
8:47 pm

I hope Teague comes through.

Marvin….Sheldon….,Acie…….

too many busts

Marvin does have good form tho..what a nice stroke!!

Sautee

January 18th, 2010
8:49 pm

big dave,

If you go back and read my post, you’ll find that I called what Joe did “sharing”.

If somehow that denigrates JJ in your mind, so be it.

And I also said that perhaps it was a difference of semantics. No problem, bud.

bigdave

January 18th, 2010
8:52 pm

i just hope that Crawford buzzer beater doesnt have the same effect on Woodson that Joe’s gm 4 Celtics did. he seems to get star struck. just b/c something works for you on a given night doesnt mean its the answer every game. everybody (players and fans alike) waited for someone, or tried to play hero. the players bought into the hype, which yields… forced awful looks…

Allen

January 18th, 2010
8:56 pm

we need to get harris in here from New Jersey for Bibby and Zaza and also get CDR from the Nets I did the trade on Espn and it works

bigdave

January 18th, 2010
9:01 pm

sautee…

nothing to do w/ Joe but the concept of deferring… where to you its limited to shots. see… in my opinion shots were shared regardless of who took the most, but at times (which i said) Joe deferred in role and most importantly showed the ability to do so.

but hey, i guess he’s just too selfish of a player to defer, i mean he shot 1 too many… “just stating the facts”.

kwooden1

January 18th, 2010
9:03 pm

I know I’m late with the comments, but had to watch the game on DVR. First thing I will say is “NICE GAME by OKC!” HAWKS had several chance to take the lead and a chance to tie at the end. Both teams fought hard, but OKC executed better in the 4th. I think there are several things for the HAWKS to learn, especially the HAWKS coaching staff.

#1 – OKC plays basketball the way it should be played! Guys drive and kick to open shooters. They play their roles and don’t worry about makes or misses.
#2 Durant — ENOUGH SAID!!
#3 OKC uses all their players Rookies, Euros, whoever! If you can play you get minutes!!
Lastly, they execute their offensive!!!

Harden was chucking up air ball 3’s, Maynor was turning the ball over, but the coach let them play and overall they played well. Harden, is their 6th man and he played great at times. They were up for most of the game so they could use their bench more, but I don’t think that is the problem. Our coaching staff has to start trusting our bench players. Clearly Woody trusts West, but what about the other guys. If Teague had fouled Westbrook behind the 3pt line what do you think would have happened? This was a tough loss, a game that these guys won’t soon forget. But the coaching staff needs to wake-up and start getting some much better offensive sets established. We had about 5 straight one-on-one possession at the end of the game, where Horford and Smith never got an entry pass. Woody needs to get another coach to call plays or get another coach to teach an offensive system.

GO HAWKS!!!

kwooden1

January 18th, 2010
9:04 pm

I’m not certain about the Marvin comments. He DUNKED on Durant, he didn’t get DUNKED on BY Green?

GO HAWKS!!!

kwooden1

January 18th, 2010
9:10 pm

I did like the press from the HAWKS. I thought it was very effect against a team with several guys that can bring the ball up. I think the line-up with JJ, Crawford and West can be very effective.

GO HAWKS!!!

Melvin

January 18th, 2010
9:17 pm

AJ,

I like the Hawks chances to win, when they whole a team to 15pts in the 4th qtr. Do you like the Hawks chances to win, when they score 16pts in the 4th?

bigdave

January 18th, 2010
9:17 pm

“I think the line-up with JJ, Crawford and West can be very effective.”

agreed… a defensive with enough offense from those 2 to compensate for what Mario lacks…

Astro Joe

January 18th, 2010
9:24 pm

Sautee, thanks, I enjoyed that one too. :) I was forced to listen to the 2nd half and Holman/3D presented a different view of the offensive struggles. They said that the Hawks missed a bunch of open shots. And they also claimed that Crawwford had a great look at the last shot. They did complain about both Joe’s late game shot attempt and one by Josh… but they made it sound like guys were missing shots that they normally make.

Here’s a very long-winded answer to why I think we sometimes have offensive issues. We are an ensemble cast with a very narrow range of offensively skilled players. The difference between Durant and Green/Westbrook in terms of scoring ability is vast. If the Thunder are down in the 4th, they will most likely want to get the ball to Durant. In the case of the Hawks, we have a bunch of guys who believe that they can bring us back from a deficit (or deliver a closely fought game in the 4th). I’m not sure that they are being selfish, more they are playing with blind determination. Josh Smith often gets credited for “trying to make something happen” while Joe gets the “he’s being a ball hog”. But I truly believe they are operating from the same mental/emotional perspective… “I CAN HELP”. But we’re not built for a one-man show, and therefore, the team suffers. I don’t think there is an easy fix to that issue. Kobe frequently abandoned the triangle when he thought “HE COULD HELP”. I’d venture a guess that AI will do the same in the Princeton offense for Philly. We just happen to have a bunch of guys who think they are capabale of pulling the team out of a tight spot… and they often end up making things worse. We don’t have a Denzel or Tom Cruise who is the definitive leading man on this team. And I think that will remain a significant issue (with ot without a formal offensive system). It can be a strength but it also fuels problems, especially in a game when most of the players were probably feeling a little embarrassed and were too eager to end the uneasy feeling in their stomachs.

Sautee

January 18th, 2010
9:26 pm

bigdave,

WTF????????

I say that, in my opinion Joe was “sharing” and somehow you paint that as me saying he’s selfish?

Just agree to disagree about the meaning of the word. Geez……

Did you somehow skip over my 8:49 post?

cp

January 18th, 2010
9:27 pm

O’Brien that was a good list on the last blog. Ive tried to support Marvin but its just clear that he is an average sf. Its been so bad this year that if I wasn’t watching the games I would have sworn he wasn’t playing. That’s how little his impact has been. Time to upgrade that position.

Melvin

January 18th, 2010
9:27 pm

bigdave,

Did you hear Charles Barkley breakdown the play where Dirk drove to the rim got his defender into the air but took fade away shot. Barkley said Dirk makes the shot tougher by trying to avoid the contact instead of jumping into his defender and getting the foul call. Barkley said, forget about making the shot, just make sure you draw contact to get to the free throw line. That’s the exact same thing Joe does. He like to avoid the contact in order to get his shot off instead of jumping into his defender to get the foul call….Just saying.

Ken Strickland

January 18th, 2010
9:28 pm

If we had a more versatile, conscientious, team oriented PG, or a HC with enough common sense and/or ability to develop one, we wouldn’t have to worry about who defers to who, because he’d make the decisions. At least when Teague’s gets his occasional limited mins, he at least controls the ball and initiates the OFF.

When Bibby’s in the gm with JJ or Crawford, he allows them to fight over controlling the ball and the OFF, instead of being the PG in charge and taking control of running the OFF. This buddy buddy BS Bibby and JJ seem to have going is getting old and hurting the team, and Woodson’s sorry behind won’t do a damned thing to stop it.

There’s absolutely no excuse for Bibby to play over 28mins and end up with the same # of assists as his Center AHorford(4) and fewer the his PF JSmith(5) and his SG running mate JJ(7). We’re just not getting efficient and consistent play from our starting PG position, and it’s hurting the team.

Astro Joe

January 18th, 2010
9:29 pm

Melvin, I don’t like the team’s chances to win when they’re down by 12 in the 2nd… fight back to pull within 3 at half and then come out looking lame and go down by 14 in the 3rd. If you know that you don’t execute that well in the late game, don’t you have to enter the 3rd quarter ready to dominate?

Big Ray

January 18th, 2010
9:40 pm

I agree that we have a bunch of guys who think, “I can help” when things are going rough.

So, why is it that after several years, they still think that, first and foremost? Of course, there is absolutely nothing wrong with our offensive system. I heard that by word of hindquarters (or halves, as it were). The sh_t works. You just have to buy into it.

;)

Melvin

January 18th, 2010
9:41 pm

AJ,

The Hawks started the 4th qtr down 4pts and with the 1st possession. There were several (probably more than several) opportunities for them to tie and take lead within the 1st 5mins of the 4th qtr while Durant was on the bench. The Hawks became undisciplined with the ball and fired jumpshots after jumpershot without any ball movement. Hence, why Josh said “We should have kept going inside-out”. IE, let’s get a higher percentage shot in the paint which OKC had a problem defending.

bigdave

January 18th, 2010
9:51 pm

i did Melvin…

i guess thats a shooters mentality… vs a scorers… i would say that both Joe and Dirk are natural shooters. then again in hindsight its easy to say what a player should have done… cause worse case scenario they go up looking for the contact and end up looking like ZaZa at his worse…

i know coming up i was always taught to forget about the contact and focus on putting the ball in the basket. im not a fan of players who on the offensive end initiate the contact and then seem to get all the touch fouls as well… just makes no sense.

Melvin

January 18th, 2010
9:54 pm

bigdave,

cosign your post…

bigdave

January 18th, 2010
10:02 pm

Sautee…

didnt say you called Joe selfish. once again how you feel is fine, its just you used shot attempts as a defining variable to discredit my comment, “My point was that with all of Joe’s “deferring” he STILL took the most shots.” thats fine, just wasnt my point. as far as the disagreeing on the meaning of the word… sure… thats fine too though i was just using it in its pure sense and definition. so i guess its your interpretation of it as it relates to the game. either way so be it… im done… moving on…

richbrave

January 18th, 2010
10:06 pm

Rumors, rumors, rumors. The latest – the owner of the MAGIC has been inquiring about GILBERT ARENAS, twice, last week, and this weekend.

Astro Joe

January 18th, 2010
10:10 pm

How is it that we can close out the Celtics, Blazers, Suns and Mavs and other quality opponents but can’t shut the door on the Knicks, Bulls or other alledgedly weaker opponents? Because of mindset. They act as a team when they feel they are playing an equal or better opponent. When dealing with a so-called lesser opponent, they each want to be the savior from an emabrrassing loss. That’s not about offensive system, that’s about staying true to who you are as a team. I think the players realize that, which is why they often talk about “trusting”.

bigdave

January 18th, 2010
10:11 pm

Melvin…

one thing thats for sure is that for the 2 who are often labeled soft Joe and Dirk’s games are similar… both can score in a variety of ways on the court, can shoot from anywhere and angle, both have tremendous skill set for size… what separates an MVP superstar from one who is/was on the brisk of super stardom is a coaching staff that by design puts his best players in positions to play to their strengths, take advantage of their unique abilities and succeed…

RLP

January 18th, 2010
10:16 pm

I think this sh_t works. The problem is not on the defensive side. But I think it is difficult to change an offensive system that has been in place for a long time and provided the only success the team had when it was less talented than it is now. For a number of years the only true offensive talent the team had was JJ. Whenever the team was in trouble it relied on JJ to score the ball. During the playoffs the past two years teams learned that when JJ is double teamed he can still be very effective PART of the time. At other times however, he has not learned to make effective passes out of the double team and allow others on the team to score the ball. Part of that is a lack of trust. In the past he did not have teammates with the talent to take advantage of getting the open look. And his coach goes along with giving him the ISO in times of duress.

But there is hope because there are times now when we go into these offensive stalls when a timeout has been called and other options are tried for a few minutes before the team reverts to the ISO. Because JJ is an immensely talented player the ISO does work PART of the time. What JJ has to realize is that the ball will come back to him if he trusts his teammates.

JC has a similar but slightly different problem. On this team when he does get hot the team sometimes stops feeding him the ball. I have seen him get a hot hand and then suddenly the team reverts to feeding JJ. JC does have the ability to pass out of bad defensive situations. But he is much more talented than JJ in creating passing lanes for his teammates. His problem is in deferring to JJ AND he is just naturally a streak shooter. I do not mind the times when he gets out of a streak. What I mind are the times when he is in a hot streak and the team stops feeding him the rock.

bigdave

January 18th, 2010
10:22 pm

stojoe…

great point…

but when your coach asks of his team to play as a cohesive unit, as 1 on the defense end. each man looking out for the next. each man having the responsibility of his teammates cover. then you come down on offense and he singles out his players. where only 1 acts in isolation of his teammates. does this not contradict the team concept in some shape or form? i mean sure, everybody is going to get their “go”. rather it be Joe, Mal, Al/Josh… but the team concept is lost in crunch time b/c he’s only going to go to an option a or b… so of course, naturally the players want to prove their offensive worth. then again what is your role? is it defined? who defined it? nope. a bunch of “jack of all trades” and 1 master of 1 (Mario West) and he thrives in his role.

defined roles create team chemistry, b/c each player is aware of what is expected of him. thats a coaching issue.

Rod from College Park

January 18th, 2010
10:28 pm

O’Brien,

“I used to have this discussion with Rod from CP as to whether or not Marvin was a top 15 SF. But now that I think about it, he is barely top 20. I was looking at the list of SFs in the league, and in no particular order, these are SFs I would take over Marvin.

Pierce, Gerald Wallace, Luol Deng, LeBron , Carmelo, Ariza, Granger, Al Thornton, Artest, Rudy Gay, Durant, Mickael Pietrus, Matt Barnes, Grant Hill, Hedo, Richard Jefferson, Josh Childress, and Caron Butler. That’s 18 SFs that (I think) would have the same impact on this team that Marvin does. Maybe Rod from CP is right. ”

Glad to see you remember those discussions. You could also add Jeff Green, Wilson Chandler, Travis Outlaw, Tayshaun Prince, and Stephen Jackson. We clearly overpaid for Marvin, and if we don’t get rid of him now, will regret it for years to come. It’s really not that hard to see. I don’t care what team he plays for, what coach he plays for, or how much more time he stays in the league, he clearly will never be an above average player in the league. I am really beginning to question whether he would be an above average player in the D-League. His offensive fundamentals are very poor, he has no handles, and no explosiveness. I think that we have waited too long already as most of the league now knows how terrible he his. To see where Durant’s game and Marvin’s game is at this point in their careers is almost comical. Glad you are seeing the light and are man enough to give credit when it is due, unlike others on the blog.

bigdave

January 18th, 2010
10:39 pm

lol at Rod from CP…

but he is digressing tremendously this year… on the offensive end at least. i hoped for Marvin to become a Sean Elliott but that wish is in great doubt. id be satisfied if his defense improved maybe 1 more notch and we got him to be a consistent spot up 3 pt shooter. you now how Bruce Bowen was just cash money from that 1 spot out the corner (2 spur references… im bout the throw up!).Joe looks to him so much on his dribble drives and Marvin rarely delivers.

bigdave

January 18th, 2010
10:40 pm

*regressing

damn Sautee…

Ken Strickland

January 18th, 2010
11:39 pm

I just read an article where Woodson admitted he wasn’t going to give Teague the time and attention he needs to develop or start on this team. He said he’s going with his veteran PG’s Bibby and Crawford, and wasn’t going to throw Teague to the wolves like he did the others. He was referring to JSmith, MWilliams, AHorford and JChildress when he said THE OTHERS.

That just goes to show the BS he comes up with for not doing a lousy job. JChildress was a candidate for 6th man of the yr a couple of times, MWilliams’ has been a 4yr starter, while JSmith and AHorford are producing at an Allstar level. JSmith, AHorford and MWilliams are the only draftee’s remaining on the roster after 5yrs.

Considering how many draftees have failed to produce, or remain on the roster, under his idea of not throwing them to the wolves vs the performances of those who were, why doesn’t this fool realize throwing them to the wolves is the only system that’s worked.

Clyde

January 19th, 2010
12:05 am

JeJe

January 19th, 2010
12:07 am

Marvin played 21 minutes even though the Thunder have Durant.

Joe had 1 rebound in 45 minutes.

Contenders my ass

Grandad

January 19th, 2010
1:08 am

I haven’t been around to read all the posts lately, so if I’m repeating
someone, I apologize ahead of time.

It seems that over and over and over again…we go into a shooting lull
late [3rd or 4th] qtr.
I mentioned once before, tired legs = reduced effeciency from jump shooters. I will not even bring up min. played. However, late in games, it becomes even more imperative to go inside with the ball. Recently, Al
had made 9-11 and did not touch the ball during one of these lulls.
Tonight…what..?..8..9..misses, before finally Al gets the ball in the post and scores. By the way, why can’t Joe just post up sometimes?
Ken Strickland is spot on. No system. No off. philosophy. No plan.
yet on def. we have a system, phil., and a plan that Mr. Woodson has stuck with through thick and thin.
I must admit that the guys are playing our/his def. with confidence and effeciency. I must explain: everyone is not always suited to guard their man, but their switches are now being made smoothly and with precision. They are obviously growing into the defensive system through repitition.
It befuddles me, and others I’m sure, why the man cannot go through the same process for the offense.
As far as Joe and Jamal? Aside from what K.Strickland has already said.
These prolems would be solved with a system that involved;
[others have said the same thing, as have I]
both player and ball movement with an emphasis on getting the ball inside!

jj

January 19th, 2010
3:34 am

Ken,you tell it like it is but Sund and The Group are happy with this Team as it is and not what it could be.They are wasting an excellent opportunity to take a GIANT step in the East.I wish they could see what BK saw .When your PF and Center push the ball better than your guards,there is a problem.We would rather shoot jumpers instead of make layups.This Team will not be young forever.Sund,wakeup,Please……….

RA

January 19th, 2010
4:46 am

Fact, three of the top four teams in the east got beaten by teams from the west yesterday. Any question on which side of the Mississippie River most of the power is on this season?

RA

January 19th, 2010
5:59 am

Please what JJ? This teams chemistry is a VERY delicate balance. Even if you bring someone in that seems to fit there’s no gurantee that it won’t throw things off. Even teague being giving more pt would take time and shots away from Bibby and Crawford. Now, I realize that yesterday was a tough loss, but let’s look at why they lost. Did they lose because they didnt’ have the personelle to win? not hardly. Did they lose because that personelle was not properly deployed? again probably not. They lost for the simple reason that for two and a half quarters they simply didn’t match Oklahoma City’s intensity and in the final quarter they didn’t execute offensively. You can have all the X’s and O’s that you want and if the guys don’t go out there and do the job, or if they don’t do it well enough, you’re going to get handed the kind of loss that they suffered yesterday. But the bottom line is that for most of this season, they have done the job. The Hawks stand at 25-14, first in the Southeastern division and third in the eastern conference. That’s not random chance. They’re there because they HAVE taken a giant step forward in the East, and despite what Hubie Brown thinks, they’ve beaten good teams, but even the best team is going to have a let down. I seem to remember something about a Cleveland team getting beat by a Portland team that didn’t have their best player, but you better believe they’re not rethinking their personnelle or player rotations because they KNOW what’s going to win for them most of the time, and whether you like to admit it or not, so does Woody. Yea, yesterday’s loss stung, but it’s just going to be one of several stinging losses along the way to where the Hawks will ultimately be, a perennial power in the Eastern Conference. My advice, for what it’s worth, dance with the one that brought you, and she’ll always bring you home.

O'Brien

January 19th, 2010
8:30 am

Quotes from ajc.com
“The Thunder was scrappy from the start, no surprise since that’s been its calling card under coach Scott Brooks.” and “Did the Hawks not realize the Thunder would come out and play hard? It’s pretty much what that team is known for.”

Right now, Scott Brooks should be getting some votes for COY.

Big dave, Rod,

It seems to me that Marvin’s nature is to defer (that’s why he was so comfortable being the 6th man in college). And now that Crawford is here, that’s one more person that Marvin can defer to. Sure, Woody’s system doesn’t give him many opportunities, but if we put Durant on this team, I wonder if he would average 10 and 5 like Marvin, since Woody’s system is guard oriented?

Marvin doesn’t knock down the 3 at crucial times, he still stumbles and fumbles, and gets his shot blocked (is he really 6’9”?). He plays good defense, and he rebounds, which wouldn’t be so bad if we weren’t paying him $7.5 mil for the next 5 years. But with his role, we need exceptional defense and timely shooting. We are getting neither.

As for the Hawks, they are 26-13, first place in the SE, and are in position to get a #3 seed. Which is great. I just don’t want these issues (intensity, isos, ignoring the frontcourt, coaching etc) to come back and bite us in the playoffs.

dap01

January 19th, 2010
8:45 am

As Woody says, “Teague is going to get his chance one day, just not now”.

That sounds great until you see Bibby trying to play defense against Nash and other quick PG’s.

I do like having West play with Crawford and JJ.

I hope that the Hawks continue to try to not be so predictable at crunch times of EVERY game. ISO does not work, especially if we have competant shooters all over the floor (Bibby, Crawford and others)

WPinAZ

January 19th, 2010
9:25 am

“Teague can play and hold his own. He proved that in the exhibition season. It’s just that I’m playing with the veteran guys right now.”

I said it before and I’ll say it again….Woody will bury Teague on the end of the bench, just like he did Stoudamire and AC Law. Woody simply has NO USE for young PG’s. Only VETERANS will do. He will NEVER develop a point guard a la Doc Rivers or Byron Scott. I feel bad for Teague. He could make an impact for this team, in this league. I fear he’ll become another AC Law simply because of Woodson. That’s sad.