The Aftermath . . .

Something big happened for the Hawks last night.

No, not that. Yeah, Jamal Crawford’s dagger was exciting, and it was just rewards for the Hawks after they kept competing hard (if not always smart) after the game appeared lost. But this being the NBA, the buzz from a victory like this lasts for 10 minutes and then it’s on to the next one. For the Hawks, that’s Oklahoma City on Monday.

More important for the big picture, a couple hours after Crawford’s game-winner the Magic got blown out at Portland for its sixth defeat in eight games. The Hawks, winners of five of their last six, moved a half game ahead in the Southeast and are No. 3 in the East. The Magic is shook, with forward Matt Barnes wondering out loud to the Orlando Sentinel about the team’s resolve after it failed to compete against the Brandon Roy-less Blazers:

“It’s like we are going through the motions. Just because you went to the Finals last year, you can’t go out on the floor and expect teams to lay down. We got no heart. You can only make so many excuses. Everybody has to come and play hard, not just one or two guys. I’ve played on teams that used to love to punk the good teams in the league. We loved to do that.”

So now you see the Hawks have three home games next week against Oklahoma City (21-18), Sacramento (15-23) and Charlotte (18-19). The Magic, meanwhile, is at the Lakers on Monday before returning home to face Indiana (14-25) and Sacramento and heading back out to Charlotte.

All of that means the next two weeks are a chance for the Hawks to show they intend on staying on top of the division and perhaps gain some ground on the Celtics before KG comes back. You figure the Hawks need to go ahead and win these next three because elite teams dominate at home. And also because after that comes a brutal week of at Houston and San Antonio, and a back-to-back of Boston at home and at Orlando.

You can’t put any of these next three down as Ws for the Hawks–Oklahoma City in particular is one of those teams that make you play even if you are better, and the Hawks sometimes doesn’t don’t seem interested in that kind of game. Time for the Hawks to put it down and supplant Orlando for good in the East’s top three.

– Over at Peachtree Hoops, hawksdawgs laments Joe Johnson’s shot selection and the team’s switching D in the fourth quarter. On the latter point, Woody mentioned the other day that he likes to start a wing on the opposing point so that when the switch on the pick-and-roll happens, the Hawks don’t end up with a small on the post guy.

I understand that thinking, but this was a game where instead of that we saw Al Horford keep ending up guarding Steve Nash straight up off the pick-and-roll. I think I’d rather take my chances with a mismatch against Channing Frye or Robin Lopez in the post (where at least there’s a chance of help) rather than have Nash operate in the open floor against Horford.

– Some of you wanted to know why Jeff Teague got the DNP-CD. I missed Woody’s postgame due to deadline and so I didn’t get to ask. Rather than speculate on Woody’s reasoning, we’ll just have to wait until tomorrow.

– Anybody else see that “In the Suns’ Face” headline on the ajc.com Hawks front and immediately think of this?

– Finally, thanks to all for the warm welcome. Keep coming back and I’ll keep giving you something. Also, follow me on Twitter and become a fan of AJC Hawks on Facebook.

MC

110 comments Add your comment

Freshmaker

January 16th, 2010
3:03 pm

Great win by the Hawks last night – what a thriller. Nice to see them atop the division. Not a bad first game for you eh Michael? ;) Speaking of first, am I first? Highly doubt it.

Gwinnett Fred

January 16th, 2010
3:05 pm

Still waiting on an AJC article/blog/wire story/smoke signals that has some quotes from last nights game.

You guys suscribe to AP? Even USA Today had a good summary article complete with quotes.

College football is NOT the only thing your sports department should be devoted to.

Hawksgirl

January 16th, 2010
3:05 pm

Great post and nice read. Welcome “back.”

Dominique

January 16th, 2010
3:24 pm

Don’t do like I do the entire broadcast.

It’s Hawks are, Hawks have, – it’s a plurality of a dangling participle as opposed to – Dominique is, Dominique has – which is a singular derision of a dingleberry deuteronomy.

Ree Roe

January 16th, 2010
3:24 pm

Michael welcome.

I am Ree Roe. I enjoyed your first article & look fwd to reading more from you.

-REEcedingly Roe!!!

I MUS WRITE

January 16th, 2010
3:32 pm

Way to pull out a win after a so so performance….I will admit that i left at the 10 sec mark- the game looked all but over especially after Amare’s hanging shot, O well i’ve seen it 20 times on sports center so…..

I MUS WRITE

January 16th, 2010
3:33 pm

Is Ken gone? Michael are you our new daddy lol….Welcome aboard,

Dan

January 16th, 2010
3:34 pm

I’m still pumped from last night….great game!

I wonder why Teague did not play, too. He handles the ball well, usually makes good decisions. Where I think he really could help is on D. He plays terrific man-on-man D already. He more than held his own against Rondo and he could have helped against Nash. I’m not talking major minutes. Just put him in for 8-10 and see what he can do.

Although, you cut on the Horford on Nash matchup, but Al almost had a terrific strip of Nash late in the game. The Hawks just were not able to get the loose ball. Al did ok in that matchup. It was not the mismatch people assume it was.

Oklahoma City is going to put up a fight. Looking forward to that one….Get in the seats, people. We got a potential great team on our hands.

Benjamin

January 16th, 2010
3:38 pm

Keep ‘em coming, man. You’re doing a good job.

northcyde

January 16th, 2010
3:43 pm

From Mike C:

“On the latter point, Woody mentioned the other day that he likes to start a wing on the opposing point so that when the switch on the pick-and-roll happens, the Hawks don’t end up with a small on the post guy.

I understand that thinking, but this was a game where instead of that we saw Al Horford keep ending up guarding Steve Nash straight up off the pick-and-roll. I think I’d rather take my chances with a mismatch against Channing Frye or Robin Lopez in the post (where at least there’s a chance of help) rather than have Nash operate in the open floor against Horford. ”

******************

Well just look what happened in that game:

-Nash only had 8 shot attempts. Eight. He averages 13 shots a game.

- He went 0 – 3 from 3-point range. He shoots 42.8% from 3 on the year.

- He had a +/- rating of -3.

Because of the defensive strategy employed by Woody, it prevented Nash from being the dual high volume assist and scoring guy that he usually is. Nash averages 19 ppg ( 21 ppg in his last 5 ). The presence of Horford, plus the threat of Josh Smith at the rim, essentially neutralized the effectiveness of Nash as a scoring threat. It was a great defensive game plan that will go unnoticed by traditional basketball fans that feel that a guard should always be matched up against a guard.

Another thing that went unnoticed by most Hawk fans and observers, was the defense of Joe Johnson on both Amar’e and Robin Lopez at times.

The good thing about ESPN games, is that you can always go back and rewatch the game at certain points. Their announce team actually complimented JJ’s post defense, because he was matched up against a bigger guy most of the time on those switches.

Phoenix was averaging almost 110 ppg coming into Atlanta. We held them to 101. ( 46 in the 2nd half ).

People despise the switching defense around here for some reason, but as Woody said in the Slam Magazine article . . . “The s–t works!!” When played correctly ( as it was last night ), it’s a beautiful thing to watch. But you have to have players who are willing to play and defend multiple positions, for the “s–t” to work. That’s why it’s very important for 6 foot 5 Jamal Crawford to get tougher defensively.

From azcentral.com:

“Atlanta’s ability to switch disrupted the Suns, who shot 44 percent after shooting 43 percent Wednesday at Indiana. Phoenix played the stretch with Goran Dragic and Robin Lopez
instead of Jason Richardson and Channing Frye, each of whom were 2 of 8. Lopez had not played the previous two games but had 11 points, six rebounds and five fouls in 31 minutes.”

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2010/01/15/20100115spt-suns-hawks-game.html

Michael Cunningham

January 16th, 2010
3:51 pm

@FreshMaker: you got to be more confident than that. . .

@GwinnettFred: you mean something like this: http://tinyurl.com/yj74syz

if you’re gonna hate, that’s cool cause haters gotta hate. but at least let it be accurate hate. . . .

@Dan: yeah, the Al-Nash matchup ended up being OK. you can see why Woody uses a switching D with this team. Horford is quick enough to hold his own out there. but we are talking about Nash here. . . .

@Nique: fixed. and funny . . .

@ree roo, mus write, hawksgirl and benjamin: thank you, thank you. please note that i’m undefeated as hawks beat writer.

northcyde

January 16th, 2010
3:52 pm

And they average almost 27 ppg from 3 point range. Last night, they were 2 – 13 3FG . . for 6 points.

When played right, the switching defense definitely works.

clarkekent

January 16th, 2010
3:55 pm

Michael.. plz help us figure this teague thing out. I’m one of those fans who believe woodson wouldn’t have played chris paul either. Bibby can’t guard anybody and shouldn’t be playing 35mins a game. teague should be getting at least 15-17mins a game(hint: ty lawson gets 20 and he plays behind billups). he will need this kid in the playoffs and he is not getting needed experience to prepare him for it. let’s not talk about that switching defense on every play no matter what.

Freshmaker

January 16th, 2010
4:08 pm

Hehe, will do Mike! My first first – I can’t believe it. Looks like we are getting some love from the folks over at SI.com. Ian Thompsen has both Smith and Horford on his All-Star team. Good read here: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ian_thomsen/01/15/countdown.all.star/index.html

Beck

January 16th, 2010
4:27 pm

Welcome MC. I have to say this blog already has a better feel than Ken’s (no disrespect intended). Maybe it was just a Sekou hang-over that I’m getting over.

Quick one a bit off topic: With all the trade chatter in the league does anyone think we need to make any changes to this team for a run into the playoffs? I’ve been trying to think of realistic trades that might improve the team but I’m just not sure you mess with this crew and their great chemistry. The only really viable trades I could come up with involved a total remake of our back court but I think that would do us more harm than good. Thoughts?

doc

January 16th, 2010
4:33 pm

mc … you’re gonna hate, that’s cool cause haters gotta hate. but at least let it be accurate hate. . . .

too funny, there might be fewer bloggers and hurt your numbers mc.

that might be hard to come by here as some folks tend to fantasy rather than facts to support their thoughts. anyway i guess the ground rules are out there.

mc really like the way you are bringing it … welcome. shoes might be different but look as good as sekou’s to start off with and that is saying something.

MannyT

January 16th, 2010
4:38 pm

@MC…3rd blog in less than 24 hours. Pace yourself. We will keep posting if you leave one out there for awhile. If you keep this up, you’ll have to resort to TMZ tactics to keep fresh info up during the slow times. 8-O

If last night didn’t get you buzzed, just wear your pseudofan badge proudly. :twisted:

If Woody has the trade offs figured out for the switching defense, then we go for it. HOWEVER, I question Al playing 44 minutes if you are going to have him chasing a PG in the 4th quarter. The bench is deep enough to get him a few minutes break in the 2nd half of the game.

I think the biggest thing this win gives us is some swagger against the rest of the league. The Hawks are probably the best team that lesser teams believe they can beat. Making a comeback on a national TV game is a major way to snatch a little hope from the other teams.

Good that we are ahead of Orlando, but check the details of the standings…we need to stay strong at home and pick up the pace on the road. We have played fewer road games than Boston, Cleveland, or Orlando.

My guess on Teague’s minutes…Mario got them-indirectly. Woody thinks defense first and Teague’s strength is his quickness. Mario isn’t as quick, but much more tenacious on D. I hope Mario sticks, but it is reasonable to get Teague into the game when you are struggling to shoot better than 40% from the field. When J. Collins gets more time than Teague in a game w/Channing Frye & Robin Lopez at center, it’s clear that the playing time rotations still need work.

BWAF

northcyde

January 16th, 2010
4:43 pm

The Teague thing is EASY to figure out. It’s just that people don’t want to understand it. They’re too fixated on Teague getting playing time, when the answer as to why Woody doesn’t go to Teague every game, is right in their face. It’s because . . .

- Bibby is our starting PG
- and Crawford is our backup PG

EASY to understand? Right.

Or let me phrase it like this. Who is the better PG? Crawford or Teague? If the answer is Crawford, then that’s why Crawford is the backup PG. ( Crawford is arguably our BEST PG, but that’s another topic )

Most teams don’t have a combo guard coming off the bench that can play BOTH the point and the 2. We do. It’s the same situation with Flip vs Acie, except Flip was more of a 2 than Crawford is. Craw is a TRUE combo guard in the mold of Dwyane Wade, Jalen Rose and Joe Dumars.

If the Pistons of the 80s had Isaiah at PG, Dumars at SG ( who can also play point ), and a high scoring 2-guard like Vinnie Johnson, do you REALLY want a rookie PG taking minutes from any of those 3 guys, especially in tight games? JJ, Crawford, and Bibby aren’t anywhere near as good as that Detroit trio . . . but they may be the best trio in the NBA today.

The real problem with the Teague situation, is that people ( all of a sudden ) now hate Bibby. If it were up to the fans that wanted to see Teague play on a nightly basis, Bibby would only play 20 minutes a night, while Teague played 15, and Crawford played 12 minutes at PG.

Woody plays Teague when the game is still in our control ( whether we’re winning, or still within a possession or 2 ). When we’re 3 or more possessions down, Woody will always opt to go with his main guys to get us back into the game.

Teague may have been a 1st round pick, but he was also the 7th PG picked in the draft. Seventh. Not 2nd like Acie was, but 7th.

The guy is shooting 36.6% FG and 21.1% 3FG . . . but they wonder why Woody doesn’t play him every game.

With the 3 guards we have here, there’s really no need at all to play him, to be honest.

f19ure

January 16th, 2010
4:53 pm

@clarkekent

Woodson would have played Paul in ‘05. It was a rebuilding year and they had nobody (significant) at point. Unfortunately, on contending teams, rookie players don’t get very many minutes.

This can actually be seen with two very special rookies (this season) in DeJuan Blair and Ty Lawson.

Lawson’s winscore mark for example is at 9.3 (the average point guard posts a relative winscore mark of 6.3). Lawson also boasts an adjusted field goal percentage of 56.2% (his field goal numbers are further bolstered by his true shooting percentage, which is at 60.5%). In short, Lawson is very efficient (particularly for a guard).

He and Teague are not quite in the same category. Potentially why Lawson has seen more minutes. It should be noted that Lawson is actually just as productive as Billups, while out on the floor.

northcyde

January 16th, 2010
4:58 pm

Plus you have Evans, who can play the 2 and the 3 if need be.

Teague had decent minutes in the win over Washington. To me, there’s no rush at all to develop the kid, especially while we’re winning right now.

Last night though, was a situation in which we were down 8 going into the 2nd quarter, and needed to get right back in that game. The so-called “great bench” that we have, has routinely blew leads, or see leads extended while they’ve been in the game all year. Even last night, it was the “bench” that couldn’t score at the beginning of the 4th quarter.

The game was too tight to opt to go with Teague at any point in that game. It was the correct call that Woody made.

northcyde

January 16th, 2010
5:08 pm

@f19ure . . . . . exactly.

People really need to get off of this “Woody doesn’t like young PG’s” stuff. Woody immeadiately played Acie Law in his rookie year. With our PGs being Lue and AJ, he pretty much had to. Acie averaged 15 minutes a game in his rookie year. But in his first 7 games as a pro, Acie played 18.5 min/gm and didn’t have a game where he played less than 13 minutes in a game. He even started in that Charlotte game in which he had 7 assists. Of course, that’s the game in which he got hurt, and everything changed for Acie from that point.

If Teague was good enough to take minutes away from Bibby or Crawford at PG on a nightly basis, Woody wouldn’t hesitate to play the kid.

But he’s just not . . . yet.

stevo

January 16th, 2010
5:20 pm

wow, i drop in off and on but am not a regular reader (of the comments) because there is simply too much stupidity. no matter who is on the bench they should be getting more minutes and if they were just used more we would see them blossom (my favorite used to be salim stoudamire who of course has gone on to get all those minutes on another team right? or acie law or randolph morris – people just don’t get that practice counts, there are only so many minutes, and sometimes players just aren’t that good). anyway, that was just a long set up to say it is nice to see some logic and reason around here. well done northcyde.

basically i couldn’t agree more. teague doesn’t need more minutes, he needs less. back in the way back days with the lakers pat riley used to say his dream lineup consisted of 5 6′9” players who could all switch and run and create chaos (with lineups like magic, scott/cooper, worthy, green, and maybe a thompson – post kareem for example, he kind of did). when billy knight either purposely or inadvertently seemed to be drafting towards that same goal he was pilloried. well, he kind of has created that kind of lineup and it is working beautifully. most of the times good teams lose to the hawks they site their length and athleticism as a main reason. bottom line is most teams can’t effectively switch like the hawks so they get eaten up by great pick & roll teams like the suns normally. no defense is perfect, but the one the hawks play has its strengths.

but the initial point is in agreement with northcyde. why would you ever give teague meaningful minutes at the expense of johnson/bibby/crawford. you also don’t really have minutes for joe smith with a big man rotation of horford/smith/pachulia and a solid williams/evans roatation (i know, i know, we are ruining the development of morris and if we would only give him more minutes we would really see something).

in fact, the real question for the hawks is why evans ( a good defender and much more consistent shooter and scorer than williams) doesn’t start and get the majority of minutes at the three. would washington do something like williams and a pick for butler, by the way?

super g

January 16th, 2010
5:22 pm

mc. it’s all good. keep the blogs coming. I missed the game but saw the highlights on espn. From there I got all I needed with the story and the blog. keep it coming.

clarkekent

January 16th, 2010
5:37 pm

i have to disagree about teague. Teague should play. its a matter of preparation. bibby should start. but he should not play over heavy mins. sometimes match ups need to be played not your favorite vet. i like bibby but not his def. he is a liablity against quick PGs. plus we play better when we push the ball. bibby does not push the rock. Also teague penetrates and gets to the hole. When bibby is in the game we play against set defenses most of the time. i understand your point about combo guards but you have to develop your talent. DET was a team of vets there young guys were up front sally and rodman.

KevinA

January 16th, 2010
5:43 pm

northcyde,

- Bibby is our starting PG
- and Crawford is our backup PG

EASY to understand? Right.

Not so easy. Dribbling the ball up the court and handing off to JJ is not a true PG. JJ is our PG – most of the offsense goes through him. Last night we saw more of a split than normal with Bibby who had 11 assists and should have had more.

Jadf

January 16th, 2010
5:44 pm

The Hawks have thrived in the spotlight this year?

Is the writer serious?

We lost twice to Cleveland and to Orlando twice.

Good job

Ree Roe

January 16th, 2010
5:49 pm

Michael it’s Ree Roe, not Ree Roo. See to it that this mistake does not happen again. As for our upcoming schedule, we should sweep this homestand. OKC is a good young team and will have our attention, but we should handle our business. 1st place Hawks!

-REEcently Roe!!!

Laschea

January 16th, 2010
5:55 pm

I saw that shot and damn near fell out!

Will

January 16th, 2010
6:19 pm

Jadg- Yes the Hawks have thrived somewhat in the spotlight. They are 3-0 against Boston this season. The refs ripped them off in Cleveland. Orlando has our number right now but that may soon change. We swept Portland. We beat Dallas, Denver & Phoenix. What else do you need?

KevinA

January 16th, 2010
6:32 pm

In his first day of being the new beat writer for the Hawks Michael Cunningham comes through with some great inside reporting. Fantastic job.
–At one point Woodson pleaded with Bibby to feed Al Horford in the post against Robin Lopez. Bibby obliged and Horford worked Lopez for two straight baskets. Then the Hawks went away from Horford. No, it didn’t make sense.
–With Lopez back on Horford in the third, Woodson again wanted it to go to him on the post but this time the Hawks didn’t even get it to him once. Horford led the Hawks with 24 points, but think what he might have done if not ignored for stretches.
A coach can draw plays, train players and prepare them for the game but only the players can execute game play. Coaching is like a aircraft carrier, quick turns are tough to do. Slowly but surely we are trending towards feeding the big’s more mostly at the expense of Bibby which is good. I would love to see the transition happen faster but if Josh and Al continue to play well it will happen. One reason I think we will continue to better over the next two years.

MyView

January 16th, 2010
6:33 pm

Last nights DNP-CD for JT0 really bothered me. He played very well IMO vs the Wizards and the Suns style would have been great for his style of play. I seems that Woody would at least give JT0 a few mins when the offense bogs down just for a spark, no matter who we are playing. Is it something I’m missing???

savannahdawg

January 16th, 2010
6:41 pm

great game last night.i am not a woody basher.i believe he has done a reasonably good job,however at some point you have to start developing young players.i watched randolph morris hold his own against dwight howard in high school.if he never get off the bench,we will never know what he is capable of.jeff teague went off for 35 points against carolina last year,but he never get a chance to get in a groove.i am afraid we will never be able to develop our young players

KevinA

January 16th, 2010
6:48 pm

The Numbers

Shot attempts

2010 2009

Josh 13.8% 13.1
Al 11.6 9.2
JJ 22 22
Jamal 15.8 12.3 Flip
Marvin 9.8 10
Bibby 9.7 15.5
Total 82.7 82.1

The closer we get Al and Josh to 15% the better team we will be. By the way after last nights game Al is now up to .585 FG%. Josh struggles from time to time but the kid is still at .508

Justin

January 16th, 2010
6:49 pm

The Hawks have played really well against a lot of elite teams. Even though we lost to the Cavs, we played really well except for the 4th quarters of those games. And don’t we still have a chance to win the protest and replay the last 90 seconds, or has that been settled?
Here’s what I don’t understand- why we get absolutely crushed by Orlando even when they are in the middle of a stretch where they can’t beat anybody else. I mean they just lost by 15 to Portland who was without Roy, Oden, Outlaw, and Pryzbilla and when you read the player quotes they sound like they are imploding. We absolutely need a better game plan, better effort, and a win against them later this month.

bigdave

January 16th, 2010
6:49 pm

in the last 3 games when Woodson has gone to the Jamal and Joe back court, Joe has played the role of PG. this has yield better flow, and movement. if its something that fans just have to get use to, Joe is a more ideal fit at ring master letting Jamal play off the ball.

clarkekent

January 16th, 2010
7:27 pm

i figure there is about 6 mill reason to play bibby over teague..lol ..but i like bibby, i just feel we should be developing teague not sitting him unless we are playing in a blowouts… Especially in back to back games. i would love to see teague on the floor with jamal joe josh and horford.

Blast

January 16th, 2010
7:27 pm

Hawks have a great win, move atop the division and bandwagon fans crawl out of the woodworks! Reminds me of all the negative fans during the Phoenix game who called Hawks out thinking the game was over.

And for all those fans that left the arena early thinking the game was over, for all those fans who turned their TV off 10 seconds before the game ended or changed channels, shame on you. Real fans see it through all the way, good or bad. Game ain’t over until the buzzer sounds. And you all missed a fantastic finish!

Hawks play hard, play together, rebound and defend and we all can see that: “This sh!t works!”

Go Hawks, Go!

Sideline Mike

January 16th, 2010
7:29 pm

Marvin William- If we could get a more consistent performance from “Duck” we could supplant Orlando for the third spot for good. I believe he is the key to getting to the conference finals.

truly1

January 16th, 2010
7:37 pm

Michael cunningham Why dont we just send teague to the developmental league so he can play because I dont consider him a part of the team because he only plays in blowouts. He is not going to learn much that way. He needs meaningful minutes and he can get that in the D league. Can you ask Rick Sung that when you get a chance?

KevinA

January 16th, 2010
7:37 pm

Andy

January 16th, 2010
7:57 pm

I loved the game. Being there for that finish was fantastic. First home buzzer beater since Joe johnsons shot against the Timberwolves either last year or the year before. The Hawks did not play perfect but they played hard and hung in there. I thought it was a great win against a very good Suns team. As for the Defense…I like it…we do a pretty good job of it and it is very effective….We have the athletic guys to play that type of D and as far as im concerned it seems to work pretty good (look at our record)!!!

cp

January 16th, 2010
8:19 pm

I’m truly not understanding why some people keep bringing up that Teague was the 7th pg taken or whatever it is. Marvin was selected number 2 overall and how has that worked out? Draft position means nothing. Bibby is looking older and older out there and at some point we need to develop our pg for the future. It looks like Bibby got 2 years too many on that contract. He is solid but there is no reason why Woodson cant find a way to get Teague consistent minutes. I actually like when Teague is handling the rock and Jamal is the guy getting fed the ball. Jamal can play some point but I prefer him playing more of the sg. I’m not saying start Teague but give the kid some consistent minutes out there and let him play through his mistakes. He wont get better playing 4 minutes here 10 minutes there and a few straight dnp’s. I could see if he was costing us games but he is not so can we please stop with the excuses of why he cant get a consistent 10 to 15 mpg.

Astro Joe

January 16th, 2010
8:41 pm

cp, I often bring up Teague’s draft position only to calm down expectations (the next Kevin Johnson? The next Devin Harris?) The previous 5 players selected at #19 are Dorell Wright, Hakim Warrick, Quincy Douby, Javaris Crittetnton and JJ Hickson. At best, some are rotational players but none are stars. Again, I think that we need to temper the enthusiasm and recognize that dude is NOT yet the back-up PG. As far as I’m concerned, if he becomes the next Jordan Farmar, I’d be satisfied.

Sid

January 16th, 2010
8:49 pm

You dont let a rookie play through his mistakes at the teams expense .

Jamal plays both backcourt positions and he is by far the most dangerous against the top teams when is at the point guard position.

Bibbys minutes have already been cut and Teague cannot play off the ball because he has no jumpshot. So in games where we need to use jamal at point more he wont be getting many minutes. The only way Teague would get more minutes this year would be if he had a jumpshot .

Look at Jeryd bayless he had way more dnp-cd last season than teague will have this year and didnt have anyone nearly as talented in front of him.

Now this season he has gotten into the rotation and is doing well. .

Astro Joe

January 16th, 2010
8:51 pm

MC, a belated welcome to the world of Hawks fandom. You will find that we are a damaged group who refuses to accept that we are no longer the doormats of the NBA. We expect this dream to end any minute. In a few weeks, some will begin discussing the next team savior who will emerge from the back-end of the draft (where team saviors are easily found). We recently discussed a savior that could be found for a 10-day contract. The widely held belief is that this team will win around 54-56 games, yet we are ready to trade or fire everyone when we lose 3 of 10 games (which is the pace for winning around 54-56 games).

But we are fanatics. Fanatics of a mostly unfortunate basketball franchise. We have scars that don’t heal easily. But we wear our scars like a badge of honor.

GO HAWKS!

O'Brien

January 16th, 2010
8:52 pm

Josh Smith was the #17th pick, Marvin was the #2 pick, Darko and Adam Morrison #3, Gilbert Arenas was drafted #31. Just because Teague was drafted #19 does not mean he can’t be our starting PG as early as next season.

northcyde,

Ty Lawson was the 6th PG taken, but he got minutes early and often behind Chauncey Billups. Lawson excelled, so when Chauncey got hurt, Lawson was able to fill in admirably. I think with minutes, Teague can excel too.

What if Bibby gets hurt, then what? We would be forced to play Teague meaningful minutes, so why not give him more consistent minutes from now?

Plus there are games where Bibby is sucking, but yet he still gets major minutes. And when Nate Robinson was blowing us up, wouldnt it have been worth it to give Teague a chance to see if he can slow him down?

As for the switching, it does work. I just wish Woody would know when to adjust and go to something else. But he doesn’t. We switch every game, all the time. And in the playoffs, when you’re playing the same team potentially 7 times, adjustments will be made. I have no confidence in Woody when it comes to making adjustments.

OKC reminds me of the Hawks from 3 years ago. All they need now is one big name free agent, and they will take the next step. Marvin will have his hands full on Kevin Durant, and Bibby will have his hands full trying to guard Westbrook. Although with our switching, you never know who will end up on who.

Gwinnett Fred

January 16th, 2010
9:07 pm

OK, I take back the no quotes part from a blog – my apologies. And BTW – it ain’t hating, it’s being a 50 year old that has lived his whole life in the ATL and got used to the old days when a newspaper actually COVERED a game as opposed to REPORTING on a game. There is a big difference!

I am, however, still waiting, for an actual AJC game story with quotes.

Sautee

January 16th, 2010
9:11 pm

AJ,

FYI…. Farmar averaged 15.1 minutes in his rookie year.

Sid

January 16th, 2010
9:16 pm

O’Brien

If Bibby got hurt Crawford would start at point and we would play teague maybe 7 more minutes per game . So he would go from 8 minutes to 16 minutes with Crawfords getting all his minutes at PG with an additional; 5-6 minutes but now Mo or Mario getting more minutes at SG.

Bibby even if he is sucking can still stretch the floor while Teague does not have the that ability at all and thats why Bibby is getting additional minutes in the 4th. If Marvins shot returns then Marvin would be in to stretch the floor and Bibby is on the bench.

Its ALWAYS about matchups and right now there are very few matchups in the nba that favor us when Teague is involved . So the best thing for Teague to do is just what he did against the Wiz just make an impact whenever he gets his minutes because after the all star game in the dog days he will get his opportunity as we start to try and reduce minutes for Bibby to get ready for the playoffs.

Sautee

January 16th, 2010
9:28 pm

Does anyone here doubt the wisdom and experience of Four-time champ Gregg Popovich?

08-09: Rookie George Hill – 16.5 minutes
09-10: Rookie DuJuan Blair – 17.0 minutes

It CAN be done. I’m certainly not sure if Teague is as deserving of minutes as those two, but did Pop KNOW until he put them through the fire?

And before someone starts in, I’m NOT saying play Teague 16 minutes / game.

But I see NO reason why he couldn’t play a solid 10-12. Maybe all in the second quarter, unless he’s “messin’ up with a capital F”. (I stole that from Louis Armstrong). His assist to turnover ratio is quite good.

I’m a BIG Bibby fan and have been since his Ariz. days. Most folks don’t realize that when he showed up we immediately were averaging TWO fewer turnovers per game. Which, in a game like last night, could certainly be crucial. He does a great job taking care of the ball.

But I’m appalled at how much he seems to be losing his quickness in the last month. If we don’t do SOMETHING about the PG position (and I’m not saying that has to be Teague), then we WILL pay the consequences.