Wizards-Hawks thread
Greetings, all-
Thanks for all the love. It really means a lot to have passed muster with you guys. Just a couple notes, and we’ll get to the game.
1) Mario West is going to dress tonight. Zaza Pachulia is at home with flu symptoms, so Mike Woodson won’t have to sit anyone to see what “Greasy,” as he’s known, can do. As you can imagine, West was pretty fired up about getting an opportunity.
2) Mo Evans may not play. His wife is delivering their first child. Woodson didn’t know where things stood when we talked to him, around 5:40.
3) I asked Woodson about playing zone against the Celtics, particularly how much they’ve played it in the past and this year.
“We played (some) zone last year. Probably the year before we played zone a lot. It’s kind of shrunk over the last couple years but two years ago, we played zone a lot. That won us a lot of games. Last year, we played it some. Mainly, we tried to play it in back-to-back games where you kind of, instead of chasing guys a lot, it kind of bought us some time to keep guys strong towards the end of the game. But against the Celtics, our coaches suggested zone and we went with it. It was nice to see because it kind of caught them a little off guard.”
“We’ve played zone a few times this season.”
Is there a particular reason you haven’t used it as much?
“It’s a long season. As the season wears on, we’ll probably start playing some more of it when we get time to practice and really work at it. It’’s easy to do with the guys that have been here, our starters, because they know it. But we did it with Jamal (Crawford) on the floor the other night, and it was pretty good.”
As requested, UGA’s Travis Leslie’s dunk against Kentucky.
If you missed the link posted in the comments, an si.com story about Jamal Crawford.
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Blast
January 13th, 2010
6:51 pm
1st! Go Hawks!!!!!!!!!!!
bigdave
January 13th, 2010
6:51 pm
lets get it…!
truly1
January 13th, 2010
6:54 pm
is this
rms
January 13th, 2010
7:14 pm
fourth…. go hawks
J.J.M.
January 13th, 2010
7:19 pm
wow whats goin on
niremetal
January 13th, 2010
7:21 pm
Did someone put a force field over the rims tonight?
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
January 13th, 2010
7:21 pm
Horford is better than Marvin and Josh….best Forward on the team
niremetal
January 13th, 2010
7:26 pm
To their credit, the Wiz are playing good D.
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
January 13th, 2010
7:32 pm
lol@Rathbun………”hawks fans hold their breath everytime marvin williams hits the deck”
MAD-DONNA
January 13th, 2010
7:32 pm
I feel an upset!
Blast
January 13th, 2010
7:34 pm
Ain’t gonna be no upset.
bigdave
January 13th, 2010
7:34 pm
like Boston game… Marvin assertive offensively, make or miss… its good to see.
Melvin
January 13th, 2010
7:36 pm
The blog was just like the Hawks in the 1st qtr, Flat..
Ree Roe
January 13th, 2010
7:36 pm
Congrats to Mo & his family! SMH @ Duck Williams…this guy has no offensive ability whatsoever.
-REEcently Roe!!!
bigdave
January 13th, 2010
7:38 pm
bout to say Mario over Teague…
Melvin
January 13th, 2010
7:38 pm
Mario West check in the game before Teague. And he is on a 10 day contract. I’m not on the fire Woody bandwagon but at take him out back and ….
bigdave
January 13th, 2010
7:38 pm
say what you want… Collins is a presence in the paint…
bigdave
January 13th, 2010
7:40 pm
Mario West people…
bigdave
January 13th, 2010
7:41 pm
Jamal supposed to through the lob up to Mario there…
Melvin
January 13th, 2010
7:41 pm
Mario West has definitely brought enery to the game… Last sir… the Attack Dog is back….
niremetal
January 13th, 2010
7:44 pm
bigdave – Jamal hasn’t seen Mario work, so he doesn’t know that #6 can get up.
Sid
January 13th, 2010
7:47 pm
Mario brought exactly the kinda energy that we need to the game . We need to get better control of our tempo early in games .Im sorry but Bibb is done as a starter he just cant maintain the pace we needs to play at and Teague is not ready yet .
Big Ray
January 13th, 2010
7:47 pm
Four things I notice right off the bat.
One, I didn’t know I’d miss Mario this much.
Two, Marvin is playing his butt off. Whoever slipped the RedBull in his gatorade needs to do it again.
Three, the ball movement and off-ball movement has been pretty nice.
Four, Woody has gone to the bench early, despite not having a big lead. The bench has responded by extending the lead.
bigdave
January 13th, 2010
7:48 pm
Teague put his hands up like… dang Jamal you not going to pass me the ball… im wide open…
Big Ray
January 13th, 2010
7:53 pm
He’s not going to get away with that very often, particularly against the better players in the league, but NICE block by Jeff Teague.
All the same kiddo, learn to stay in front of your man.
Melvin
January 13th, 2010
7:53 pm
Where has Teague been all year when those other midgets PGs was killing the Hawks… Huh, on the bench!!!
niremetal
January 13th, 2010
7:53 pm
Teague is clearly a player who needs a couple minutes to warm up. But once he gets his motor running…
Melvin
January 13th, 2010
7:54 pm
Nice steal by Teague…
niremetal
January 13th, 2010
7:55 pm
Alright, from now on JT0 gets all minutes against sub-6′0 PGs!
welikebaseball2
January 13th, 2010
7:59 pm
If only Woodson would use his bench (namely Teague) like this against the upper echelon teams. Scrimmaging against the Wizards won’t necessarily prep them for the playoffs. Would be nice to see them get some burn against the Celts, Cavs, Magic, etc. While Joe Smith & other vets off the bench have been in the league long enough to be able to turn it on come playoff time, if Teague is not used in pressure situations it does us no good.
Melvin
January 13th, 2010
7:59 pm
Teague makes a series of good plays and what does Woody do, take him out of the game…. Good grief, how does he expect this kid to get experience. What does he gain by putting Bibby back in the game? Bibby is a vet with plenty of game mins under his belt. This would have been a good opportunity for Teague to get extend mins in a game thats still competitive against the other team starters….
Melvin
January 13th, 2010
8:00 pm
Mario West is not Human…..
Blast
January 13th, 2010
8:00 pm
Mario and Teaguer has brought a ton of energy.
Big Ray
January 13th, 2010
8:01 pm
Thanks to his teammates, Joe has had some nice looks lately.
Josh Smith’s passes have looked rather crisp. Thank goodness, because his shots have sucked…
welikebaseball2
January 13th, 2010
8:01 pm
Melvin: Amen to that. We must have been thinking & typing virtually the same thing. Not sure if I’d give him the bulk of the minutes just because it’s the Wizards, but I agree that he’s got way too short a leash on Teague.
Melvin
January 13th, 2010
8:01 pm
LMAO…. Mario block Haywood dunk on a dead ball play…
Blast
January 13th, 2010
8:01 pm
Woody should have kept Teaguer in there.
niremetal
January 13th, 2010
8:03 pm
Joe doesn’t sell fouls well at all. He gets people up in the air, gets the contact, but he doesn’t let the contact show in his follow-through.
Ree Roe
January 13th, 2010
8:03 pm
Where’s RandMo at?
-REEcently Roe???
Ken Sugiura
January 13th, 2010
8:08 pm
Mario West – wow. great energy and making a ton of plays.
Also, there’s a guy in section 107 in a stormtrooper outfit.
Melvin
January 13th, 2010
8:08 pm
Is it a coincidence that Bibby (-5) is tied with Collins for the worst +/- stat in the 1st half….
Sautee
January 13th, 2010
8:09 pm
Joe Smith is our most effective post player on offense.
Ken Strickland
January 13th, 2010
8:12 pm
As soon as Teague starts showing what he can do on both ends of the court, Woodson takes him out, yet leaves MWest in, and reinserts his beloved MBibby. Of course, West isn’t a threat to Bibby’s starting position. As soon as Bibby comes back in, the DEF drops off and the Wizards make a comeback.
Some of the BS crap Woodson does makes me sick. He doesn’t need to be the HC of this team.
terrell barron
January 13th, 2010
8:21 pm
You know how he is Ken. He’s basically responsible for letting the Wiz back in this game.
bigdave
January 13th, 2010
8:21 pm
Nire… well someone needs to refer him to this video… 1:00 sir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Ni0FKsvmI&feature=player_embedded
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
January 13th, 2010
8:22 pm
lmao@rathbun owning nique
Sid
January 13th, 2010
8:22 pm
Teague was matched up against Boykins and when Boykins left he wasnt gonna leave Teague matched up against the starter.
Also Im hard on Bibs but if hes starting you cant bench him like that because thats what not bringing him back in means .
terrell barron
January 13th, 2010
8:24 pm
Damn Josh! What was that? Give the ball to a guard.
bigdave
January 13th, 2010
8:30 pm
why not bring in Teague for Bibby? he is your back up pg isnt he??
welikebaseball2
January 13th, 2010
8:32 pm
Of course Woodson brings in Crawford at PG instead of Teague. Same old, same old. Game gets tight, so does his rotation. I guess Teague will get back in if the Hawks turn it into a blowout again.
Sid
January 13th, 2010
8:32 pm
Teague is not the backup pg he came in to matchup with Boykins
Melvin
January 13th, 2010
8:35 pm
The Wiz are giving the Hawks the jumpshots and they are not making them… They need to drive the ball to the basket.
bigdave
January 13th, 2010
8:39 pm
if Joe and Jamal are in the back court… Joe runs the point hands down.
hock
January 13th, 2010
8:43 pm
Stupid and lazy = Josh Smith. The Hawks should have spent all that dough on a player with a brain.
niremetal
January 13th, 2010
8:48 pm
Hock,
You’re new around here. Let me give you our traditional neighborhood welcome: F*ck off.
iRepATL
January 13th, 2010
8:50 pm
WHY IS IT THAT JOE SUCKS EVERY YEAR UP UNTIL RIGHT JANUARY THEN RIGHT B4 ALLSTAR HE TURNS IT UP N LOOKS LIKE A COMPLETLY DIFF PLAYER…….JOE PLAY LIKE THIS FOR US CONSISTANTLY AND HE CAN BE CONSIDERED AN ELITE PLAYER
welikebaseball2
January 13th, 2010
8:51 pm
Can’t keep depending on 3’s to bail out the ballhogging on offense.
niremetal
January 13th, 2010
8:51 pm
iRepATL,
See above.
Big Ray
January 13th, 2010
8:53 pm
Shut up, Josh.
Refs called Mario out, just let it go….
niremetal
January 13th, 2010
8:53 pm
Ray,
I think Josh was trying to talk to Mario, not the ref.
bigdave
January 13th, 2010
8:53 pm
there are a lot of unemployed people in this country…
but Mario West deserves employment…
hock
January 13th, 2010
8:53 pm
niremteal, I have been here for years and that lazy, dumb Josh Smith should be playing for the Clippers. And you little boy should leave the serious talk to thinking men.
iRepATL
January 13th, 2010
8:54 pm
lol im not new around gere nire i been here since 07 keep ur negativity for the new ones here
JeJe
January 13th, 2010
8:54 pm
Can’t believe we retained Thello over Mario this past offseason. Probably cost us 2 wins not having Mario’s tenacious D.
Good job Sund!
JeJe
January 13th, 2010
8:55 pm
Actually, the Mario signing was dumb.
According to Fundamentals, one of the self-proclaimed geniuses here, we should’ve signed a Big to a 10-day contract instead of Mario!!!
bigdave
January 13th, 2010
8:55 pm
Joe at pg Jamal at 2 doesnt look bad…
iRepATL
January 13th, 2010
8:56 pm
jeje, mario has always displayed the energy we needed off the bench, for somereason they kept othella….lol idk what we were thinkin but i think they realized made a pretty bad choice between the two.
Sautee
January 13th, 2010
8:57 pm
Oh well, there goes the neighborhood
Big Ray
January 13th, 2010
8:57 pm
Fundamentals ,
Wow. I didn’t know you were a genius, much less a self-proclaimed one. What the heck, everybody has a hobby, right?
bigdave
January 13th, 2010
8:58 pm
Blatche is one skilled sob
hock
January 13th, 2010
8:58 pm
niremetal, are you the only little girl here?
Sid
January 13th, 2010
8:59 pm
This is about the 4th game in a row where we have come out of a timeout in the 4th with a scripted play for MARVIN !!
bigdave
January 13th, 2010
9:01 pm
Jamal gave it to him late…
terrell barron
January 13th, 2010
9:01 pm
This fool takes out Al, looks down the bench, and puts in Bibby? Wtf?
Big Ray
January 13th, 2010
9:03 pm
Ken, please ban me from here. I am gay and am not wanted here anymore
Blast
January 13th, 2010
9:03 pm
Forget all that bull, man. Jamal is a superstar.
bigdave
January 13th, 2010
9:04 pm
that was a hell of a move to the cup
Blast
January 13th, 2010
9:05 pm
Marvin is getting his confidence back.
JeJe
January 13th, 2010
9:05 pm
FIRE MIKE WOODSON
terrell barron
January 13th, 2010
9:07 pm
Marvin is a blocking machine tonight! lol!
bigdave
January 13th, 2010
9:08 pm
inspected and rejected employee # 2
niremetal
January 13th, 2010
9:10 pm
Wizards are not rotating to help on Crawford, and dude’s taking advantage.
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
January 13th, 2010
9:10 pm
Crawford is our best scorer…and most clutch scorer.
Horford is a our best forward.
JMar
January 13th, 2010
9:11 pm
I can’t believe the Hawks kept a guy with upside and talent over a guy that shouldn’t even be sniffing the NBA, but has really high energy mistimed rebound leaps. Good job, Sund.
Melvin
January 13th, 2010
9:11 pm
I like when the Hawks drive the ball to the basket instead of settling for jumpshots….
bigdave
January 13th, 2010
9:13 pm
da hell Michael Redd doing on a commerical in the south…
Scoonie Penn, now thats a different story
niremetal
January 13th, 2010
9:14 pm
Lol@JMar…
bigdave
January 13th, 2010
9:14 pm
bench Woody… its a wrap.
keen observer
January 13th, 2010
9:22 pm
Nice return for ‘Rio. Hope he gets G’ed up for remainder of season. He is a difference maker.
jean
January 13th, 2010
9:26 pm
crawford 14 in 4th lightwork
Big Ray
January 13th, 2010
9:27 pm
Heh….short bus crew is on their thing tonight, I see. Imitation…it’s the most sincere form of flattery.
Anyway,
Very nice game by Marvin Williams. Josh nearly got a triple double. It would be a quadruple double if you count the number of whines after a foul call as a statistic. Despite his scoring issues, he had a hell of an effect on the game.
Joe did his thing, and Jamal shined right along with him. Big Al held his own despite foul trouble and limited touches. It was great to see Mario back in the fold and doing his thing.
Teague looked pretty good for the most part. I won’t say anything else, as it tends to start a pi$$ing match about the usual subject….
Wizards challenged, Hawks had some lapses in judgement but put them away. I’ll take that “W.”
Clyde
January 13th, 2010
9:28 pm
FIRE WOODY
JeJe
January 13th, 2010
9:29 pm
MARVIN WILLIAMS 16 POINTS 8 REBOUNDS 4 BLOCKS
SOMEWHERE IN COLLEGE PARK ROD IS WAKING UP IN A COLD SWEAT
JeJe
January 13th, 2010
9:33 pm
Ray can I post as you again? I think they may actually listen to me around here if I do.
terrell barron
January 13th, 2010
9:35 pm
Jeje, Rod once said, “if you expect him to show Marvin some love everytime he has a good game, dont hold your breath”. lol! I can respect that.
JeJe
January 13th, 2010
9:35 pm
FIRE CLYDE
JeJe
January 13th, 2010
9:39 pm
Jeje, Rod once said, “if you expect him to show Marvin some love everytime he has a good game, dont hold your breath”. lol! I can respect that.
SO HE CAN’T SHOW HIM ANY LOVE WHEN HE PLAYS WELL BUT HE CAN SHOW HIM SOME HATE EVERY TIME HE PLAYS BAD. YEAH THAT MAKES SENSE HES JUST A HATER
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
January 13th, 2010
9:42 pm
Once again the Hawks benefit from being in an Eastern Conf where being .500 right now gets you the #5 seed.
This game was pathetic, it proved and showed nothing positive….and only that we still need alot more work in many areas before we can think about going deep in the playoffs. Who cares about piling up wins against these sorry bottm half east teams if we look pathetic doing it.
We beat Washington w/o Gilbert..a Washington team that was garbage even with him!!!…. Hoo-Ray!!!
Mac-town's finest hawk hater
January 13th, 2010
9:43 pm
WHEN THE HAWKS WIN I COMPLAIN ANYWAY HOOO RAAYYYYYY
niremetal
January 13th, 2010
9:47 pm
These Hawks actually DO remind me of the ‘04 Pistons in a lot of ways. Depending on who’s feeling it and who has the focus, they adjust to each other on the floor and find a way to get it done.
Of course, they’ll need to make adjustments to other teams come playoff time. And that can’t be left up to the players…
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
January 13th, 2010
9:48 pm
I guess thats the attitude to have when you’re used to having 13 win seasons, just making the playoffs is fine, but I thought this was a team looking to be a contender to win the east. All we’ve done is lay goose eggs against 2 of the elite east teams…..and being completely humiliated by one of them at that. That sorry crap out there tonight is not going to cut it to beat elite teams.
Rex
January 13th, 2010
9:52 pm
Hawks won’t win conference title for 25+ years.
Melvin
January 13th, 2010
9:54 pm
I guess some folks would have rather the Hawks lose tonight against a sub .500 team so they cant have something to complain about…lol
Melvin
January 13th, 2010
9:57 pm
Josh did shot well at all tonight and still almost had a triple double… 10pts 11rebs 8ast and 1 blk… And some folks question his Bball IQ… Ha,ha…
Blast
January 13th, 2010
9:58 pm
From how some ‘fans’ are complaining tonite, you would have thought Hawks lost to the Wizs.
Rod from College Park
January 13th, 2010
9:59 pm
Marvin had a good game. Does that make you guys feel better. I guess it’s too much to expect similar games most of the time from the #2 pick in the draft. He had a good game, CONGRATS. I guess asking for games like Stephen Jackson, Trevor Ariza, Gerald Wallace, Melo, Durant, Granger have on a regular basis is out of the question.
Rex
January 13th, 2010
10:01 pm
The Hawks were up 40-18, and the lead dwindled down to 4. This team sucks. Most of you are just fans used to a losing team so you accept mediocrity.
Rex
January 13th, 2010
10:02 pm
This team wont get pass the 2nd round.
rms
January 13th, 2010
10:04 pm
Nash and Co. are going to be licking their chops come Friday especially since they just lost to the Pacers!!
Blast
January 13th, 2010
10:06 pm
Would be nice to see the Mavs beat LA tonight.
Big Ray
January 13th, 2010
10:09 pm
I live in Savannah yet think I run an Atlanta newspaper site.
Haha,
I’m gonna do some more lame smileys 
Guys, I’m wearing pink right now.
kwooden1
January 13th, 2010
10:13 pm
Tough win!! Only saw the last 7mins, I’ll watch the rest later. Heard about the big lead and see get dow n to only 2. With that being the case, winning by 12 is good. Great to see Mario come in and perform right way!!
GO HAWKS!!
Justin
January 13th, 2010
10:17 pm
Some analysts are saying that it was stupid to sign Mario West to a contract and that he has no business being on an NBA roster. Anybody else disagree with that statement?
JeJe
January 13th, 2010
10:18 pm
Lose in 4 in 2nd round to Cleveland. Why even finish the season? We have no shot
KevinA
January 13th, 2010
10:28 pm
Which player from the happy meal do we bench? Cheeseburger Collins or french fry Rando. Give Mario a job and some minutes.
Our combo energizer bunnies (West and JT) did a great job. Joe Smith also added to good bench play.
Marvin has his groove back. A welcome sign of better Hawk play in the future.
Marvin/Jamal = POG
JJ gave a good workman like performance.
Josh had trouble scoring but filled the stat sheet as only Josh can do including key free throws when needed. 6-8. Love the 8 assists from a big.
We missed a lot of wide open shots early and often or this game would have been a blow out. Even with all the missed shots the passing was great. Our 26 assists could have easily ben 35. A good night for passing and team ball movement. Add to that, 7 turn overs. Pretty darn good.
Melvin
January 13th, 2010
10:28 pm
Not only does the Hawks have to win every game, now they have to win every game Pretty….lol
terrell barron
January 13th, 2010
10:35 pm
Rod, I’m not defending Marvin, but it’s not his fault that he was selected at #2.
KevinA
January 13th, 2010
10:47 pm
Denver up by 10. An Orlando loss would be nice.
Rod from College Park
January 13th, 2010
10:52 pm
terrell barron,
It is his fault. He has accepted all of the perks of being a #2 pick. He was paid like one on his first contract. His second contract was based off of his first contract. He started from day one because he was a #2 pick. He should have worked on his game like a #2 pick should. Childress is playing in Greece right now because Marvin was a # 2 pick. We have not upgraded that position because Marvin was a #2 pick…….. See where I’m going. I don’t commend my kids for being making C’s(average). They only get praise for A’s and B’s because that is what is expected. If you guys want to crown him for having a good game, then crown him.
richbrave
January 13th, 2010
10:55 pm
Well, you can see not much has changed for my home-town pro team. Still suck badly. Told you a bit of energy up front would pay dividends. Even without any, HAWKS are still a superior club.
Sorry I wasn’t watching gang. UNIVERSITY of RICHMOND had a barn-burner of a game against UMASS tonight, and my oldest grandson played as well. Couldn’t do both, so watched the SPIDERS win in OT. RALEIGH native 6′ 9″ DARRIUS GARRETT playing the four had quite a line for RICHMOND, eight points, two dimes, 13 boards, and 14 – count um 14 blocks, a steal and three forced TO’s. It looked like volleyball out there.
My grandson had a season low six points on four shots, but eight dimes, and 11 boards as his team won.
Later.
Rod from College Park
January 13th, 2010
11:02 pm
JeJe,
I have season tickets, so you won’t see me bashing Marvin during home games. He will get praise from me when he becomes more consistent. 11 and 5 this year is average at best. We were playing the WIZARDS.
JeJe
January 13th, 2010
11:04 pm
OMG we beat a dysfunctional dreadful Washington team with our 6.5 man rotation in the 2nd half! This team is going to the Finals!
JeJe
January 13th, 2010
11:06 pm
I did give praise to Duck after the last game vs. Boston. He’s doing okay now. Still not as good as a lot of players that he should be, like Josh Howard and Antwawn
terrell barron
January 13th, 2010
11:11 pm
Magic going down tonight.
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
January 13th, 2010
11:16 pm
The Hawks dont have to win every game, and they dont have to win every game pretty. It’s about seeing the necessary coaching ability, offensive and defensive sets, and individual performances needed to win deep in the playoffs.
We’re not going to beat Cleveland or Orlando with Woodson’s inability to use his bench effectively, nothing but ISOs, heavy jump shot reliance, and too many possessions involving Josh Smith trying to crossover people or with his back to the basket in the paint.
We get away with this crap against these sub .500 eastern conference teams MOST of the time, but unless something changes we’re not gonna contend for the east. This is why I say screw these wins against these sorry teams, if they are winning them and still displaying the BS i mentioned previously.
Freshmaker
January 13th, 2010
11:16 pm
Yeah so far Denver has outscored them 56 – 25 in the second half lol.
Freshmaker
January 13th, 2010
11:21 pm
I think we can contend for the East. We’ve owned Boston so far this year, and we can certainly beat Cleveland (should’ve won both games but gave them both away in Q4). Only problem I see is Orlando…we just don’t match up well with them at all. Hopefully they lose in Round 2 and we don’t have to worry about them.
terrell barron
January 13th, 2010
11:21 pm
Rod, no I dont see where youre going. Why are you blaming Marvin for all that stuff? If you wanna blame somebody, blame BK, Woodson, Dominique, and co. They’re the ones that picked him. Guess they didn’t like Chills as much as you did. And quit hating on Marvin for getting paid? I guess you think he shoulda tuned the $ down cause he aint worth it huh? Maybe he was drafted too high? Fine. But it is what it is. As long as he’s a Hawk, I’m gonna root for him.
JeJe
January 13th, 2010
11:27 pm
We really need Childress in the spot Mo has now. Mo is pretty much useless for this team. People think he’s a good defender but he really isn’t. I love the guy but he is not productive enough off our “2nd unit.”
Ken Strickland
January 13th, 2010
11:32 pm
We saw JCollins, JTeague and JSmith get token mins in the 1st half. Then we saw Woody decide to stop even trying to coach, and then he just rode the backs of our top 6 players the rest of the gm.
Rod from College Park
January 13th, 2010
11:38 pm
terrell barron,
DeAngelo Hall was a Falcon, I never rooted for him for many reasons. I root for the team, I have the right as a fan to dislike a player, even if he plays for my team. Especially if said player is not doing what he is supposed to do to make my team better. As I said before If you want to crown him, then crown him.
JeJe
January 13th, 2010
11:41 pm
Thank you, Ken. Exactly what I said. Why can’t people see this? Takes a 6 man rotation against a team which has DeShawn Stevenson as 1 of its best 5 players. LOL
South ga boy in the atl
January 13th, 2010
11:41 pm
Hawks certainly didn’t have their A game tonight. More like a C+ game. But it’s been said before and still true that good teams find a way to win even when they are nowhere near their best. Can’t believe all the Marvin haters aren’t rushing to post their compliments of his game tonight. Oh wait yea I can, as was said earlier “some people are just haters.” so good to see Mario and his explosive legs back out there tonight. Don’t know how anyone could not pull for that guy. He and Teague provided some much needed spark tonight as the 1st unit had some post-Celtic drop off tonight. I’m sure i’ll catch hell for this but I felt Woody did a good job with the substitution tonight. He was working without 2 guys from the 2nd team tonight but went to the bench for considerable minutes in the 1st half and early in the game too. However, in the 2nd half when the issue was still in doubt and Wash. remained in striking distance he kept 1st team plus Jamal in to make sure of the win. I know some will say he should have played the 2nd team as much in the 2nd half but the pressure increases exponentionally when the game is on the line against a team you should beat easily at home. And oh how some on this blog would have roared with anger if we would have lost tonight and woody gave extended min to backups. He did the right thing proving once again he knows his players and he is a far better coach than some, “haters” shall we say, give him credit for being.
RLP
January 13th, 2010
11:46 pm
I was out of town due to a holiday trip to see my son and his family that was extended due to the death of my father-in-law. So I have missed being able to comment on much that has been submitted so far this year. Here are some observations:
First I agree with all of the others who have thanked Ken S. for the job he had done during his tenure on this blog. A job well done considering how it all came about. Thanks Ken.
I did have a chance to read some in the early part of my absence and at one point there was a lot of discussion concerning the fact that the Hawks record at the end of the year exactly matched the record of last year. Not many were happy about that observation. But what I did not see was that from that point until the end of last year the Hawks overall won lost record was only one game over .500. How many of you think this year’s team will do that poorly this year? I don’t. I think this year’s team is significantly better than last year’s team. I expect better results this year.
Also during this period the Hawks went through their four game losing period. There was much complaining on this blog about that period. No one discussed the fact that one of the recognized “elite” teams in the East went through a similar four game losing skid. Our loses were to another “elite” team and two teams that are not that bad. The Knicks got of to a terrible start this year but are 13-7 over their last 20 games. The other team has a certified superstar and is one spot behind us in the East.
There was also a great deal of discussion about the recent play of the team demonstrating it is folly for those of us who think the Hawks are on the cusp of becoming an elite team. Well don’t look now but the Magic lost tonight and if the Hawks win on Friday night they will be tied for first in the Southeast division.
I think the problem is not that the Hawks have not earned the right to be called an elite team in the division. Instead the problem is that the so-called “elite” in the East have come back toward the Hawks at the same time the Hawks have stepped forward. In other words if the Hawks were playing at this level LAST year they would not be considered approaching elite status because last year all three of the other top teams were winning at a much higher percentage. Here are the differences based on the final percentages last year and the current percentages for this year:
Magic Last year .720 This year .684 Minus .036
Celtics Last year .756 This year .730 Minus .026
Cavaliers Last year .802 This year .750 Minus .052
Hawks Last year .573 This year .658 Plus .085
In other words the Hawks have made progress and the other three have regressed bring them closer to equality.
This season the Hawks started faster than last year. But last year they made a run that caught this year’s pace briefly but they fell backwards. With the visible improvement this year I doubt that many of you feel that they will repeat last year’s pattern. The question then becomes how much improvement they will make.
There was a period when I felt that they had a chance to make the leap into the elite status. Even during the four game losing streak I felt that way. I still feel that way. But I think the chances have diminished based on what I see as the reality for this team. Reading the blogs for the time I was out many of you have pointed to the team’s lack of consistency as being the problem. I agree.
But while I still see immaturity in Josh Smith and lack of forcefulness in Marvin Williams and the need for more help for Al Horford in the post and a tendency for Joe Johnson to overplay one on one basketball and defensive inefficiency on the part of Bibby and inconsistency in Jamal Crawford’s game I realize that every team has issues. Again as some have pointed out on this blog in LA some fans complain about Kobe hogging the ball while the same is true for LeBron in Cleveland.
At this point in the season we simply do not know if the team will suddenly catch fire in the playoffs or be surprised by a team with a superstar who is capable of surprising very good teams if they let their guard down in the first round. Just because you play good during the regular season does not mean that anything is automatic. Ask Dallas whey they play San Fran. Or ask Cleveland when they lost to the Magic last year in the ECF. Or ask the Celtics when injuries did them in when they lost KG.
But isn’t it fun to see how the season plays out?
Rod from College Park
January 13th, 2010
11:47 pm
terrell barron,
We all understand that the pick was terrible. BK is gone. Time to put the responsibility on the player to step his game up. Durant did not need 4 years, neither did Melo, Granger……
Rod from College Park
January 13th, 2010
11:57 pm
I, unlike many of you on this blog am sick of waiting. When I see an opportunity, I am full speed ahead. We have a serious chance to win it all this year. An upgrade at the 3 would seriously improve our chance. I was an advocate for Stephen Jackson, and many here disagreed. I wonder who was right.
Samuel
January 14th, 2010
12:17 am
Did we win or lose?
My boy Al Jefferson got 26 rebounds tonight. The beast is back. They are looking to move him though to make the Golden Boy, Kevin Love happy. We got any room for a guy who can get you 26 and 26?
Woody=COY
northcyde
January 14th, 2010
1:03 am
RLP . . .now you know that logic does not work with the “Woody Whiners”. They need to whine about something.
If it’s not Woody, it’s JJ. If it’s not JJ, it’s Marvin. If it’s not Marvin, it’s Bibby or Smoove. If it’s not any of that, it’s the “we’re not elite” argument ( even though not a single Hawk fan expected us to be elite, before the season started. ).
People are so used to complaining about the Hawks, that it kills them to actually say anything good about them. It’s like a “Pavlov’s Dog” effect around here . . lol. Somebody says the name Woody, and their mouths start to salivate, ready to rip into him ( even during a win ).
Like you, I’m enjoying the hell out of this season. The playoffs are the furthest thing from my mind in mid-January. I’m just sitting back, and watching this team develop and strive to get better each and every game.
We have more than enough quality wins ( and should be wins ) over teams, that let be believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is a very good team. Maybe not championship level, but a very good team nonetheless.
With this group, a good win gets a +1 rating . . while a bad loss gets a -5 rating. And if you win ugly, that’s a -3.
It all equals up to subtle negativity, or being unnecessarly critical ( even though we got a win ).
They suffer fron HHS ( Hawk Hatertosis Disorder )
northcyde
January 14th, 2010
1:06 am
HHD . . . not HHS.
HHS would be Hawk Hatertosis Syndrome
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
January 14th, 2010
1:29 am
bigdave
Nire… well someone needs to refer him to this video… 1:00 sir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Ni0FKsvmI&feature=player_embedded
D League basketball at it’s finest!
South ga boy in the atl
January 14th, 2010
1:45 am
Northcyde. Well said. Maybe we should refer to these folks as hatersorus Rex. Then we could hope some selective asteroids could fall from the sky and make them all exstinct.
jj
January 14th, 2010
2:28 am
I sure wish we had the vagabond that coaches Carolina coaching this Team.I know LB is a sob,but man he would do wonders with this Team,especially Teague.I like what a feal COACH can do.It’s been said before,we need Daly type to take this Team higher.Good win,but Woody still pi..es me off with his stubbornness.
jj
January 14th, 2010
2:29 am
I sure wish we had the vagabond that coaches Carolina coaching this Team.I know LB is a sob,but man he would do wonders with this Team,especially Teague.I like what a real COACH can do.It’s been said before,we need a Daly type to take this Team higher.Good win,but Woody still pi..es me off with his stubbornness.
Astro Joe
January 14th, 2010
7:41 am
Some of you just whine, whine, whine while we win, win, win. Which is dumb, dumb, dumb.
O'Brien
January 14th, 2010
8:03 am
Samuel,
There was a rumor that Minnesota was willing to trade Al Jefferson for an athletic sidekick. If Minny was interested, would you trade Al Jefferson for Josh Smith?
As for COY, I think Scott Brooks is doing a great job in OKC. This is his first full season as head coach, and the Thunder is 21-17, playing in the tough Western conference, led by #2 pick Kevin Durant (I wonder how Portland feels for taking Oden).
Rod from CP, tb
Marvin had a good game last night, and hopefully, he is turning it around. I just wish we could get that kind of performance from him more consistently (especially against other good/elite teams). But looking back, I still think Sund overpaid when he gave him $7.5 mil per.
Although it wasn’t easy, great win for the Hawks last night. Looking forward to the Suns game, because I anticipate a very high scoring game from both teams. I wonder who will Woody sit when ZaZa comes back? RandMo or Collins?
Fundamentals
January 14th, 2010
8:09 am
Good win in the end. I think the 2nd unit should be given the W. They made things happen, only to get benched, where they watched the 6 man rotation flop. Good to see the 1st unit figure out how to muddle past a bad Wizards team. Who was it that wanted several Washington pieces? We don’t want any of their players or carma coming our way.
Good to see Mario do his thing. There’s alot of haters already here, but he delivered as I promised. Solid D, great effort & rebounding. He looked alot more assertive on offense when he got the ball. He won’t ever score much, but usually he’s intelligent with his shot selection. His energy sparked the 2nd unit and entire team. I loved the defensive play when he sent Jamison into the fans on the baseline. For those of you discounting his “ill timed rebound attempts” – at least he crashes the glass. He got several key offensive rebounds. 5 boards and points in 5 minutes? That’s a 48 pt & rebound game? How can you argue that? Josh, Al & Marvin barely had 5 boards in a half of play. Rio laid it all out last night, as he will every day!
Another key to the game was Marvin. Another good night for Marvin giving him almost a month of consistent play. Nice to see some plays run specifically for him. Nice to see him in the middle of almost every hustle play our there. I hope he continues to improve. It’s all related to his confidence.
Folks can bash the win. It was a W. Not pretty, but we did manage to pull it out. Fri will be a bigger test.
justahawkfan
January 14th, 2010
9:29 am
Isn’t there a commandment that forbid us from coveting our neighbor’s players? isn’t it a basketball sin? Maybe if you cheer for the players you have, on the team you have, you can forget about other players on other teams. Do you walk down the street in your neighbor looking at other guy’s wives and cars wishing they belong to you? Do you have fantasies about them? Why don’t closed your eyes and click your heels twice and go to the other player’s team blog. oh yeah, take the negativity with you.
vava74
January 14th, 2010
10:20 am
O’Brien,
Not in a million years: Jefferson is damaged goods (bad knees) and not a very competent nor willing defender (both on the ball and help).
He does have good offensive moves and is a pretty good rebounder, however, our system implies that the bigs have to be very mobile and alert defensively in order for the switching defense to work.
Josh’s manic but enthusiastic all round game is very difficult to replace.
In relation to Marvin, I already mentioned this a few times but I like to repeat it is shooting over 50% over the past 12 games.
mountainman36
January 14th, 2010
10:42 am
a bit slow, but a win.
mario was th eman, crashing the boards, and some really nice defence. hes made a great play that the announcers missed – he was double teaming on the near sideline, then rushed across the paint to the far sideline when the wizards moved the ball quick to the other side….guy was wide open, but Mario spotted him as the pass was made and rushed over to stop an easy look and 3 point basket.
im not worried about him scorring – he isnt on the court for that. we have 4 other guys that can score well, so hes not necessary for offence. However – that was a nice drive he had.
Any of you haters need to remember all of our other guys have played more this year than he has in his 2 year career. hes still a bit raw, but he will be an asset friday night.
also – RLP has some good points – percantages etc. That made me think ….we have virtually shut down the ‘go to player’ of opposing team much of the time we play. the recent skid not withstanding we shut down wade at phillips, and lebron some too (at phillips) and a bunch of others before that…..i hope to see that trend again. its hard to win one one superstar (or nate robinson) gets 40+ against us….i sure hope Woody puts in West in those situations..
mountainman36
January 14th, 2010
10:43 am
a bit slow, but a win.
mario was th eman, crashing the boards, and some really nice defence. hes made a great play that the announcers missed – he was double teaming on the near sideline, then rushed across the paint to the far sideline when the wizards moved the ball quick to the other side….guy was wide open, but Mario spotted him as the pass was made and rushed over to stop an easy look and 3 point basket.
im not worried about him scorring – he isnt on the court for that. we have 4 other guys that can score well, so hes not necessary for offence. However – that was a nice drive he had.
Any of you haters need to remember all of our other guys have played more this year than he has in his 2 year career. hes still a bit raw, but he will be an asset friday night.
also – RLP has some good points – percantages etc. That made me think ….we have virtually shut down the ‘go to player’ of opposing team much of the time we play. the recent skid not withstanding we shut down wade at phillips, and lebron some too (at phillips) and a bunch of others before that…..i hope to see that trend again. its hard to win one one superstar (or nate robinson) gets 40+ against us….i sure hope Woody puts in West in those situations..
Jsutin – i agree – those analysts need to watch him play
KevinA
January 14th, 2010
11:03 am
http://www.slamonline.com/online/blogs/the-links/2010/01/links-embedded-with-the-atlanta-hawks
KevinA
January 14th, 2010
11:09 am
An amazing thing to say for a head coach. I do not care about the offfense. The offense is not the problem. Is he on drugs?
KevinA
January 14th, 2010
11:14 am
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop
Another artical with less reading and the same quote.
KevinA
January 14th, 2010
11:37 am
http://www.hoopinionblog.com/?gcid=C12289×022>kw=Hoopinion
Looking for Mario love? – You won’t find it here.
Then Jamal said…………..
“If I miss my first 10 shots, that doesn’t faze me. In the fourth quarter, I make my shots.”
darrell starks
January 14th, 2010
11:48 am
I no its was a number game but mario should have never been cut.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
Ramon
January 14th, 2010
12:04 pm
Look, Marvin is what he is. Yea he was picked #2. But Joe Smith was picked #1, and who do you think is going to have the better career? Marvin isn’t a let down as a pro. I mean he is still good enough to start for a playoff team. That is FAR from a draft bust. Marvin comes to play every game he plays. And although he’s clumsy, I can honestly say that I see him out there hustling and trying to do what he can. I’ve never seen Marvin have the wrong attitude about a play. You can’t get mad at Marvin because he was picked #2. He didn’t pick himself there. But if the Hawks came and drafted ANYONE of us at #2, knowing over half of you guys aren’t in shape, would you still not accept the contract for 6 mil a year? Marvin gives it his all. I’m happy with that.
JeJe
January 14th, 2010
12:18 pm
LOL Woodson said he doesn’t give a !@#$ about the offense.
Is that why we went 9+ minutes against Cleveland without a basket? If we had scored at all in those minutes we probably would’ve won that game. While he is right about defense, until we start running actual plays on offense and Woodson uses the bench in close games, this team is done in 4 in the 2nd round
I MUS WRITE
January 14th, 2010
12:22 pm
Wait a minute did i miss sumthing???? ” Im Gay” “I Wear Pink”, Come on officer this is not the forum for you to be coming outta the closet. Jeezuz get urself together sir- I can call u sir cant I?
Get’em -Woody took the chain off of his attack dog, Looking back on training camp Mario should have been retained over Hunter- he really brings an element to this team that no one else does. Besides that I know rio and he’s a stand up guy im glad he’s back. I wish the play was’nt blown dead when he blocked Haywood-That was gonna be Sports center material LOL.
I want to see Woody sub his entire starting 5, and go with this line up for a few minutes..
Teague,Crawford,Mario,Mo,Zaza
Rod CP- forget about it man-sum people are so far up Marvins azz they will never see him for what he is- A Career Role Player-Thats it Thats all. His role is a lil different this year becuz we have more fire power but Marvin disappears like David Blain a lil too much for me.
JeJe- Chills is’nt a defensive stopper by any stretch of the imagination, He had alot of trouble stying in front of guys and he would get man handled within 12 feet of the rim -too light in the britches. Mo is probably equal to him defensively,but Mo is a much better shooter so they kind of cancel each other out.
JeJe
January 14th, 2010
12:25 pm
Jerry Stackhouse wants to go to the Hawks if he returns.
GET RID OF RIO AND SIGN STACKHOUSE. IT’S BAD ENOUGH WE HAVE MO EVANS AS A KEY BENCH PLAYER. GET A REAL UNC VET
mountainman36
January 14th, 2010
12:26 pm
thanks KevinA – nice read.
Im ok with woody not worrying about offense. defense wins games, and our offense is fine. Arent we up at the top of the league????especially at that time of the season…
JeJe – thanks for the negativity. You try managing all the aspects of an NBA coach. see you you do. No the offence isnt perfect, but its a dang sight better than most other teams.
with our DEFENSE we almost won a game where we didnt score in 9 minutes….what does that tell you?
I MUS WRITE
January 14th, 2010
12:27 pm
R.I.P Teddy P……. “Turn off ther Lights and light a candle…”
If you guys and gurls can find it in you heart support the people of haiti, they are in a terrible position right now….. I spent 4 months of my life in that place and they needed the money before the quake but even more so now……..
JeJe
January 14th, 2010
12:29 pm
Teague,Crawford,Mario,Mo,Zaza
Terrible lineup. Mo and Mario are the same size. Why not put Joe Smith in at PF? We need to sign Stackhouse. The guy has had a year to heal his injuries. He’s a career 19 ppg player and doesn’t need huge minutes. He can’t possibly demand much money if he has received so few offers.
Mo Evans is too small, overrated defender, and puts up no numbers for us. Maybe once every 3 weeks he has a good game
Daniel
January 14th, 2010
12:30 pm
Guys, looking over the comments from last night. I have to say this is one of the worst blogs in recent memory. Northcyde had a nice post about this same subject. I really don’t see the point in comments like:
this team is not elite (really?, who besides the Lakers are? who are you rooting for anyway?)
This team will lose in the second round of the playoffs (really? what does that have to do with a mid Janurary game against the Wiz?…idiot)
Woody said in an article(that we all read and discussed months ago) that he didn’t care about the offense (really? he was clearly making a point about how he values defense over offense, but go ahead and run with it…. just should have done it when the article actually came out)
You guys know I love the Hawks and I love blogging about them, but really we can do better than this crap….
Daniel
January 14th, 2010
12:36 pm
IMUS- That’s what’s up (Harold Melvin and the Bluenotes-Wake up everybody (would be appropriate))
I have made my contribution to the Haitian relief effort through my church.
Word up brother.
terrell barron
January 14th, 2010
12:43 pm
Rod, I know you just didn’t compare Marvin to Deangelo Hall? Deangelo Hall was a misfit who was detremental to the team. All Marvin does is what he’s asked to do. I’m sure He’s not the player that you thought he’d be, but I be damned if Im going to give up on a 23 year old basketball player WHO HAS SHOWN FLASHES. Especially if he’s on my team. and .
vava74
January 14th, 2010
12:48 pm
interesting link:
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/john_schuhmann/01/14/numbers.game/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1
GeeMack
January 14th, 2010
12:49 pm
KevinA
Those are some great reads. Thanks. The one from slam was very interesting.
I like Woody’s attitude were defense is concerned. We all know defense wins championships, and it’s harder to condition basketball players to play defense every night, than play offense
As Hawks fan we tend to forget the Hawks are one of the top offensive teams in the league. It’s our lapses on defense that causes us to lose games we should win. I am fine with what Woody said. He also said we could score with any body, but we win by playing bette defense.
Daniel
January 14th, 2010
12:56 pm
vava- very interesting link. Don’t know how valuable that stuff is, because “you are what your record is”. But, I can bet you can guess who will blame whom for why the Hawks are “underachieving”
GeeMack
January 14th, 2010
12:57 pm
The homie Daniel hitting the nail on the head again. Woody is a good coach, and he has proved as long as we bring him talent he can win.
GeeMack
January 14th, 2010
1:04 pm
vava74 & Daniel
Great article. Not sure I understand it, but some interesting stuff.
Daniel
January 14th, 2010
1:09 pm
I am with you Gee about the article. Kinda interesting but also leads you to say So? If they could link that stat with playoff performance, then I would be a lot more interested.
Rod from College Park
January 14th, 2010
1:39 pm
terrell barron,
“Rod, I know you just didn’t compare Marvin to Deangelo Hall? Deangelo Hall was a misfit who was detremental to the team. All Marvin does is what he’s asked to do.”
I surely did not compare them, I put a response to your statement about, because Marvin plays for the Hawks I should support him. I am a Falcon Fan also, and I did not support D. Hall, not because of the reasons you probably would say, but because he did not live up to his hype or his draft status, and fundamentally was not a good corner to me. I could care less about his attitude, and what he did in his private life. Similar to Marvin, he has not lived up to his hype or draft status, and to me is not a fundamentally good basketball player. He actually does not do what he is asked to do, because he was asked by the gm and the coach at the beginning of the year, after the contract was signed to step up his game. He has not done that this year.
I MUS WRITE,
“Rod CP- forget about it man-sum people are so far up Marvins azz they will never see him for what he is- A Career Role Player-Thats it Thats all. His role is a lil different this year becuz we have more fire power but Marvin disappears like David Blain a lil too much for me.”
Agreed. Teddy P. will be missed.
JSS
January 14th, 2010
1:49 pm
Hello Again Hawks fans…
For those of you who have not ventured over to the fan blog today. As many of you know, there has been a great tragedy in Haiti… Blogger “Ted Striker” and I are asking you to get involved in aiding the victims…
I set up a Facebook cause page for the Haitian Relief effort
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=426507305332&ref=search&sid=819343849.3665709771..1
Hey all of you Woody Supporters, Woody Haters, JJ fans, J-Smoove fans, Anti Marvin, miss J-Chills, 13th man, Tech or UGA fans!!! Please step up to the plate!!! Please tell me what you think! If we can improve the site and possibilities of helping to get more bloggers to contribute to any of the worthy charities and NGO’s that are on the ground in Haiti, post a message…
Thanks again to “Ted Striker” (he is traveling on business today) and to all of the blog moderators on the AJC staff for letting me post on their blogs…
JMar
January 14th, 2010
1:50 pm
Mario West is terrible, both offensively and defensively. I’ve never seen any reason to believe otherwise. He may be good enough now to start for Georgia Tech. People love his hustle, but I prefer hustle that actually accomplishes something, and isn’t just for show.
theZaZaguy
January 14th, 2010
1:56 pm
For me personally, I like to have an emotional attachment to my team. I enjoy liking them as people not just their stats. I’m not saying I want to be friends with them or anything, but it adds to my enjoyment as a fan to follow them on more than one level. The packers have it in Green Bay. The fans and players love and feed off each other.
Having said that, I really have a strong affinity for this team, not just as players, but as good decent quality young men. No gun fights, no rehab, and no unneeded drama.
There are countless stories about the deep character of these guys. Jamal getting mixed up with the bloods but making it out and becoming a star, Marvin stepping up to pay for his younger siblings college education, Bibby written up in the Wall Street Journal as the anti-Iverson who helps his friends by putting them on payroll, Al’s relationship with his family and community back in the Dominican. The stories go on and on.
Josh can be brash, but deep inside he’s a Momma’s boy and I mean that in a good way. His Mom comes to every game, and you can see the special relationship they have (Not to mention I thought Josh was wearing a wig the first time I saw her).
And of course ZaZa, in it for the long haul. He’s the reason Joe Smith is here. Go ahead with your bashing, and your stat references. I will continue to be a fan the way I know how.
Go Hawks!
darrell starks
January 14th, 2010
1:57 pm
Jmar what you mean mario is terrible?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!
cp
January 14th, 2010
2:04 pm
Like I’ve said before, Mario is a nice story and all but calm down people. One poster said we would have two more wins if we had Mario the whole season lolllllll. You cant be serious. The kid hustles and all but he is still a poor ball handler and cant shoot. I’m with JMar as far as hustle that produces something….Mario is the same player he was when he left Ga Tech……. The Nets are trying to trade Josh Boone. He is a big who can block shots and rebound. I wouldnt mind having him on the bench.
Daniel
January 14th, 2010
2:12 pm
Nice post ZaZa guy. I cannot agree with you more.
vava74
January 14th, 2010
2:13 pm
The point I wanted to make about the article is simple:
Some don’t give these Hawks the credit they deserve.
Others do.
We have both views very much alive around here, however, my take is simple:
Many are critical of Woody and of the Hawks pointing out some fair and reasonable arguments (myself included), however, they also neglect to acknowledge the merit inherent to our record.
We are not a rich franchise (owners have been losing money every single year) and our roster, although quite good, is not stocked with all stars. At least not yet since Josh and Al may break into the game this year.
Hence, our record and our performance has been very very good and we should enjoy what we have right now, specially since we were 13-69 just a few years ago.
Finally, people complain that we do not win against elite teams… well, guess what: we are 3-0 against Boston, swept Portland, split the series with Denver and gave Cleveland a good run for their money going against 8 guys on the floor.
Orlando is a different matter: we match up badly against them but we should not forget that in the ATL game we were up at the half time before the refs gave a green light to Howard plow through the paint with his elbows to Al’s chest and swallowed the whistle in several drives where JJ was hammered in the third quarter. Just 4 or 5 non calls and a double digit advantage turns into nothing.
Let’s wait and see.
GeeMack
January 14th, 2010
2:20 pm
JeJe
I’m not sure what Stackhouse will be bring, but this team is not losing cause they can’t score.
We lose when we stop bringing it on the defensive end, that why the Mario move makes sense.
kwooden1
January 14th, 2010
2:26 pm
It’s interesting to read the negative comments about Mario, because they don’t really apply to his current situation.
#1 Woody loves him! That means he will play! Anybody else you bring in will sit on the bench. cp, that especially applies to bigs!
#2 Our issue has been perimeter defense. See Orlando and NY games. Mario wants to defend!
#3 Our other issue is key rebounds. Mario goes after every rebound likes it’s his last!
No where on that list are there issues with ball handing and shooting. I know Mario can’t really dribble or shoot, but that doesn’t matter in this situation. O. Hunter is a better ball handler and shooter, but he sat on the bench!! Mario will play, which means other guys can rest, but more importantly it means there’s a guy on this team that gets playing time only because of Effort! It will be a wake-up call for Teague and Morris, if they want to play they’re going to have to bring more effort.
GO HAWKS!!!
theZaZaguy
January 14th, 2010
2:34 pm
Agreed GeeMack.
Like Charles Barkley said,”Any knucklehead can shoot, but it takes brains to play defense.” When Woody said that he doesn’t give a s@#^ about offense, I think he meant that the offense is fine. Which is true since I think we’re close to leading the league in points scored.
Contrary to popular belief, they do run plays. Pretty much every Smoove alley-oop is off a well executed play and Bibby gets a lot of open looks due to plays run for him.
Our Stifling, turnover inducing, switching, choking up the passing lanes, 3 second violation inducing defense is a thing of beauty to watch.
I just remember being in the restroom and hearing a father ask his three year old son “Who’s your favorite hawk”. The little boy answered, “the defense”. Priceless.
doc
January 14th, 2010
2:36 pm
zaza guy my sentiments as well, nicely stated.
vava you dont have to worry about match ups with orlando … we got mario now.
terrell barron
January 14th, 2010
3:05 pm
Hornets traded Hilton Armstrong for a 2nd rdr? Damn! Wouldn’t mind him backing up Horford. Oh well.
theZaZaguy
January 14th, 2010
3:05 pm
Has anyone noticed that Horford is slowly but surely bulking up? He started at 235. Then he was listed at 245 and now he’s 247. He’s put on the extra 12 pounds without affecting his touch or quickness. Which is natural considering he’s doing it properly, slow and gradual. He’s 23 years old. Most men “fill out” at about age 25. If he can get to about 255-260 and maintain his agility and skill that would be key. Why do I mention this?
We like everyone else have problems against Orlando due to Dwight’s physical prowess. Not his skill or smarts, but he just manhandles us. Dwight Howard is 265 lbs. Horford doesn’t have to be just as strong as Dwight. But if he can succeed in not getting pushed around or out-quicked (like Zaza is so often) he can go single coverage and totally change the game against Orlando. He already owns Kendrick Perkins. And Hack a Shaq with Cheesburger Collins, RandMo, and Zaza should do the trick (not to mention Shaq is older than me). This will be the last piece to fall into place for the Hawks to start to overcome and not just contend with the elites.
Ken Strickland
January 14th, 2010
3:23 pm
VALVA74-excellent comments. You’re correct when you say we don’t matchup well with Orlando. However, that can be partially remedied if Woodson possessed enough insight, flexibility, imagination and courage to effectively use the talent on his bench to create better matchups for us, and/or worse matchups for them.
If your starting lineup and style of DEF doesn’t matchup has consistently proven ineffective, why would you continue to stubbornly overplay the same players and use the same DEF? Defensively, JCollins could provide an interesting one on one physical challenge for DHoward, and RMorris and his smooth inside moves could provide an interesting challenge for any of their PF’s. Teague would provide a far superior challenge for JNelson than MBibby, on both ends of the court.
Former GM BKnight put together a very quick, fast, athletic, talented and versatile core of young players, and current GM RSund added depth and experience to the mix. The biggest complaint against Woodson has been his unwillingness, or inability, to use consistent strategy and/or consistently utilize the majority of those aforementioned attributes.
As good as this team has been, in terms of won/loss record and overall achievements, it’s still underachieving, and Woodson, along with his limited halfcourt OFF, are the weak links.
Daniel
January 14th, 2010
3:28 pm
It only took 2 and 1/2 hours for my prediction to come true.
Melvin
January 14th, 2010
3:50 pm
It’s funny how Woody prides himself on defense or label himself as a defensive minded coach when he didn’t play a lick of defense as a player. Woody was known for his nice jumpshot (Is there’s a coincidence that the Hawks have a jump shooting oriented offense). Now that he’s a coach, he has become a defensive guru… Yeah, ok.
Sautee
January 14th, 2010
4:21 pm
What does it tell you when we have more people “hatin’ on the perceived “haters” than all the “haters” out there.
Folks, there’s no way that everybody is gonna perceive this team the same.
Enjoy what we have and if you disagree with a poster just scroll on down.
Some of these posts kill me with the “need” for a homogeneous “lets all think the same way” mentality.
Can you even imagine how boring this blog would be?
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
January 14th, 2010
4:37 pm
I agree with Sautee 1000%
I will be a Hawks fan no matter if they win 10 or 60 games. I look at myself as someone who wants whats BEST for the TEAM and may seem critical at times because I just think and want us to do so much better……but if you disagree with someone on here or have some critique (or complaint) they dont agree with (especially if its about A player)…..oh then that automatically makes you not a “real fan”….
Ramon
January 14th, 2010
4:39 pm
I’m not in love with Marvin. I’ve suggested many trades where Marvin would be packing his bags. But I can’t recall the last game that we lost that was because of Marvin’s play directly. The biggest three problems this team has is not Marvin related. Marvin has nothing to do with the fact that no one in the back court can stop the opposing guards from penetrating any time they desire. People say Marvin is just a role player and that is ok. What was the last championship team that didn’t have at least ONE starter who was nothing but a role player? When Boston won, Perkins (and Rondo at the time) was nothing more than a role player. Actually people look at Ray Allen as a member of the big three, but would any of you trade Marvin for Ray? San Antonio has never been more than a bunch of role players surround Duncan, Parker, Ginobli. Finley, Bowen, nor Barry produced more than what Marvin produces now. I get frustrated by somethings from Marvin. However, I realize that if we upgrade the PG play, and the subtract the amount of shot attempts that goes up from the perimeter, the Hawks would be able to compete with anyone night in and night out.
JerryWest
January 14th, 2010
4:43 pm
Stackhouse thinks Hawks are a perfect fit for him.
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64033/20100114/with_preference_for_atlanta_stackhouse_hopes_for_nba_return/
We have been amazingly injury free so far. The law of average always catches up. We need to prepare for it.
You can’t find a better and cheaper injury protection than Stackhouse.
Ramon
January 14th, 2010
4:49 pm
Now, I will say this, I would be in favor of a Marvin/Teague (or Bibby) for Jamison trade all day long! lol.
mountainman36
January 14th, 2010
5:00 pm
right there with you Ken.
with the other guys – gotta disagree about Mario. i think hes good, and desrves to be on an NBA team. he had a lot of rebounds and even a few points last night…he is a spark, that we sometimes need.
Rod from College Park
January 14th, 2010
5:03 pm
Sautee,
Maybe the hater haters want us all to hold hands and sing Kumbaya.
richbrave
January 14th, 2010
5:09 pm
HAWKS fans:
The latest segment of “AS THE WIZARDS TURN.”
“Wizards guard Gilbert Arenas was charged Thursday with felony gun possession, a crime that carries a maximum five years in jail and a fine, authorities said.
The charge was announced Thursday afternoon by the U.S. Attorney’s office for the District.
Arenas’s attorney and prosecutors had been negotiating a plea deal during the day and it was not immediately clear whether the filing of charges was a part of the deal. Court officials said they had been told to prepare to have Arenas in Superior Court on Friday.”
“D.C. and Arlington police searched the home of Washington Wizard Javaris Crittenton Thursday morning looking for a gun he reportedly used in a locker room confrontation with teammate Gilbert Arenas, according to sources familiar with the investigation.
Police did not find the gun at his Arlington home in the 7:15 a.m. search, one of the sources said.”
My prediction. ARENAS is found guilty of a misdemeanor, gets a suspended sentance, has to do more community service than he already is, and pays a heavy fine. The indeterminate NBA suspension is given a limit, another fine, and finally whatever the WIZARDS want to do with him. But he stays. And he plays. That contract is untradable, and not voidable at this point. Nothing less than a felony conviction will suffice for that. Ain’t happenin’. The franchise has to deal with the poison pill that contract represents for the next four and one-half seasons. There is a player option before the 2012-2013 season. Think GIL will exercise it? Me too. 20.5 mill that season.
JAVARIS skins out of the mess with nothing but here-say evidence against him. The brandishing a loaded weapon will not prove out, but CRITTENTON will never wear a WIZARDS uni again. And his 1.45 mill is up at the end of the season.
There’s a very good point guard coming onto the market soon HAWKS fans, if you’re interested. Personally, if I were a GM, I would consider it.
terrell barron
January 14th, 2010
5:18 pm
No thanks Richbrave. I want no part of Javaris. I’ll take my chances with Jef Teague. As a matter of fact, I think he’ll have a hard time catching on with any NBA team.
richbrave
January 14th, 2010
5:23 pm
I think you may be right t.b., but the kid has game. His head is his worst enemy.
richbrave
January 14th, 2010
5:33 pm
JEFF TEAGUE is the equivilent of CRITTER without the baggage.
JeJe
January 14th, 2010
5:35 pm
Yes! OUr team has a lot of character!
That far is more important than winning! Good poitn
theZaZaguy
January 14th, 2010
5:36 pm
One guard I would love to see in the ATL is Tony Parker. Then maybe his wife would come to some of the games. Of course that’s the only reason.
ILL-logical
January 14th, 2010
5:56 pm
VaVa74: I concur!
CP:After looking at Josh Boone’s stats,I believe he would an asset but doubt the Hawks’ “braintrust” would agree.Who would be traded?
Hope that Arenas gets in touch with his heritage and joins the efforts to rebuild Haiti. His personal wealth and visibility could add value to the current efforts.
Ken Strickland
January 14th, 2010
5:57 pm
I just saw pictures of the devastation in Haiti, and the expressions on the faces of the survivors just tore me up. CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW MUCH LESS HELP THEY’D BE ABLE TO LOOK FORWARD TO IF THIS HAD HAPPENED WHEN GBUSH AND HIS REPUBLICAN POSSE WERE STILL IN POWER?
KevinA
January 14th, 2010
5:57 pm
Sautee
January 14th, 2010
4:21 pm
What does it tell you when we have more people “hatin’ on the perceived “haters” than all the “haters” out there.
Folks, there’s no way that everybody is gonna perceive this team the same.
Enjoy what we have and if you disagree with a poster just scroll on down.
Some of these posts kill me with the “need” for a homogeneous “lets all think the same way” mentality.
Can you even imagine how boring this blog would be?
Amen from the back bench.
richbrave
January 14th, 2010
6:01 pm
Hope that Arenas gets in touch with his heritage and joins the efforts to rebuild Haiti. His personal wealth and visibility could add value to the current efforts.
Hopefully that would satisfy his legal penance.
terrell barron
January 14th, 2010
6:03 pm
Anyone else having trouble posting? Wtf? Some post go right up, some not at all.
Ken Strickland
January 14th, 2010
6:16 pm
Man, I’m finding it very difficult to focus on the Hawks with all of the devastation that’s going on in Haiti. I have so damn much respect for them and the eternally strong spirit and will to survive they’ve always displayed. They not only defeated the French and gained their own freedom and independence, they fought and helped others gain their freedom and independence as well, including the United States.
ILL-logical
January 14th, 2010
6:36 pm
Having visited the Haiti years ago, I can identify with the plight of the people. From the ocean front resorts to the hills of Petitionville(Port a Prince’s wealthy district) to the Ironworks in downtown Port a Prince, I have seen the misery that is the every day existance of the commen people in the best of times. I cannot imagine what this tragedy has done to an already desolate country.
But I also remember the spirit of the Haitian people who have endured a great deal in their history so I know that somehow, someway they will rise again.
ILL-logical
January 14th, 2010
6:45 pm
Having visited the Haiti years ago, I can identify with the plight of the people. From the ocean front resorts to the hills of Petitionville(Port au Prince’s wealthy district) to the Ironworks in downtown Port au Prince, I have seen the misery that is the every day existance of the commen people in the best of times. I cannot imagine what this tragedy has done to an already desolate country.
But I also remember the spirit of the Haitian people who have endured a great deal in their history so I know that somehow, someway they will rise again.
cp
January 14th, 2010
7:00 pm
ILL-logical good point. Boone can play center and pf and he is still young. He doesn’t score much but we only need him to block shots and rebound. He is only making 2 million but I have no idea who we could give up to get him……..Its nice that Woodrow loves Mario but I would rather have a big who rebounds and blocks shots. Mario might not even make the team. Some guys get so caught up in his hustle and energy that they don’t realize he doesn’t bring much else to the table. Whats the purpose of Mario if we still have Mo?… We can only dress 12 so who will be forced to wear a suit just so Mario can play?…
Samuel
January 14th, 2010
8:01 pm
Ken,
You’re absolutely right. Man, I really do feel for them. I have a good friend from Haiti. He’s one of the best people I ever met. Makes you really feel thankful for a what you have in life.
Obrien,
I saw your trade idea. I was at school so I couldn’t post. I really love my Mississippi boys, especially Jefferson and Ellis. My son played AAU with Al since he was 9th Grade. He played against Ellis in high school ball. Outlaw too.
I’ve been straining my brain trying to come up with a way to make something work for Jefferson. I believe he will thrive even more in a warm climate. He’s basically been playing and living in a cold climate since coming into the league.
For the life of me I can’t see it working. I really couldn’t move Josh at this point. Now way. I would trade Al and say Evans but I can’t see that happening either. If we traded JJ, we’d have to move Josh to SF and that wont work. As much as I love Big Al. I can’t see it happening.
Check out the shot Ellis made after shoot around. Id say dude is on Fire.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/14/monta-ellis-backwards-tri_n_423389.html
Ken Strickland
January 14th, 2010
9:14 pm
ILL-LOGICAL/SAMUEL-this tragedy makes all of the issues we’ve had regarding the Hawks seem so petty. Man, I’m so sorry for coming down so hard on you guys over this stuff, and for that I apologize. On one of my many trips to the Dominican Republic, I visited a flee market in Haiti. There was a vendor there selling quality brandy for a very good price. So naturally, I bargained them down and bought several bottles.
After walking around the market for a while, I saw how hard these people were working and how destitute they were. I started feeling guilty, so I went back to the vendor I bought the brandy from, and without an explanation, I paid him the full asking price for the brandy, plus a tip. Even though the original asking price was a very good price, by talking him down, I felt like I had taken away from someone that had so little to begin with.
What really hurts are the circumstances that led to so much of their poverty. A bunch of motivated and determined slaves, led by Toussaint L’overture defeated the army of their oppressor and world military power, France, and gained their independence and freedom. They also helped other nations throughout this hemisphere successfully gain their independence. That had a rippling effect on other slave nations as well as the vatican and it’s control of the international slave trade. And because of that, Haitians have been kept down by both the vatican and the international community every since.
When the Haitian people overthrew the Duvalier’s, Poppa Doc and Baby Doc, who robbed Haiti blind and took most of it’s monetary resources, the French and the Vatican didn’t hesitate to provide sanctuary for both. They also provided sanctuary to the Marco’s family, Idi Amin and the shah of Iran, who also robbed their respective countries blind. Both France and the Vatican thrive on corruption and poverty.
Think about it, in countries that are predominantly Catholic, the people are basically poor and uneducated, except for France. Think about the state of affairs of all the Catholic countries in South America, the Carribean and Europe.
Samuel
January 14th, 2010
9:32 pm
Appreciate the history Ken, Actually ive been reading up on Hatian history for the last hour since I saw this idiotic statement from that buffoon, Pat Robertson.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/HaitiEarthquake/white-house-advisor-valerie-jarrett-speechless-pat-robertson/story?id=9555714
Samuel
January 14th, 2010
9:39 pm
Ken,
No apologies needed. I consider you family now since you’ve earned your stay around here. I have no hard feelings against anyone around here. It’s all fun and games to me. Just shoot’n the breeze. One of these days I want to do some traveling internationally like you and Clyde. I’m setting my sights on Rio in ‘16. That’s when my baby girl will be ready for the Summer Games.
richbrave
January 14th, 2010
9:55 pm
Samuel
January 14th, 2010
9:32 pm
Appreciate the history Ken, Actually ive been reading up on Hatian history for the last hour since I saw this idiotic statement from that buffoon, Pat Robertson.
Since Mr. ROBERTSON directed that we send a hit squad to take out CHAVEZ, I would not be surprised at any proclemation he might bring forth. His daddy was our commencement speaker for my undergraduate ceremonies. I’m chagrin to say we both grew up in the same neck of the woods, southeastern Virginia. Thank God his type of didactics didn’t find their way into my life, although my parents and neighbors tried hard enough. He’s not much of a Christian for someone who professes to those principles.
Big Ray
January 14th, 2010
10:35 pm
I can’t imagine what those in Haiti are going through. Have to count it among my many blessings that I’ve never been through something liek that.
Pat Robertson is what he is. ‘Tis one thing to be thought a fool. ‘Tis another to open thy mouth and remove all doubt.
Prayers (and donations) go out to the people of Haiti.
O'Brien
January 14th, 2010
10:36 pm
What’s wrong with Boston? Is it injuries? The Bulls are up by 6 against them (in Boston) with less than 4 minutes left in the 4th.
Having watched Bibby play the last couple seasons, I forgot what a penetrating PG looks like. Derek Rose is awesome. John Walls is coming next season, there is CP3, DWill, Tony Parker, Steve Nash, Devin Harris, Rondo etc…this is becoming a league of penetrating PGs. I hope the Hawks next PG (I dont know if it will be Teague) will be able to do just that, because that also leads to easy shots for others (imagine JJ being set up off a drive and dish).
Big Ray
January 14th, 2010
10:39 pm
KevinA ,
Had to laugh at your 5:57 post. Not laughing at YOU just laughing at the idea of people actually accepting each other’s opinions. Um, yeah, some of us are capable of that. I think you’ve seen enough evidence that others just can’t scroll past, but have to call names and hurl insults. Oh yeah, and imitate others….
Big Ray
January 14th, 2010
10:40 pm
O’brien ,
Chicago is a tough matchup for the C’s, as are we. Remember, they took Boston to the hilt in last year’s playoffs….
As for penetrating pgs…well, you have to have an appreciation for that type of play and for what the league is evolving into. And for that, you have to actually “give a sh_t about the offense”….
Big Ray
January 14th, 2010
10:44 pm
Just watched Derrick Rose juke Rajon Rondo and slice the Boston defense in half.
Damn. A penetrating pg IS a beautiful thing, O’brien .
O'Brien
January 14th, 2010
10:47 pm
Ray,
I am not looking forward to seeing how slow (and ineffective on defense) Bibby is next season, and the season after that. Another penetrating PG I forgot to mention is Aaron Brooks in Houston.
As for the Celtics, they are playing without KG and without Rasheed. How would the Hawks look if we were playing without Horford and ZaZa?
KevinA
January 14th, 2010
11:09 pm
Bibby does well in a few
Chemistry
3 pt% 8th
Turn overs one of the best
Doesn’t foul much
Good passer
what is missing
Slow
Bad D
Assists 23rd
rebounding 28th
FG% 23
Steals 21
Blocks 43
Minutes 2nd tier 27.7
These stats are among PG’s
RLP
January 14th, 2010
11:15 pm
I watched the Celtics and Bulls. At halftime Charles Barkley wanted to rant. He congratulated ALABAMA UNIVERSITY (sic) for winning the national championship in football He claimed that Lane Kiffin MUST have pictures of somebody having sex with a monkey because he has had three jobs given to him that he did not deserve. I forgot his third point but then he wound up announcing that he was donating $10,0000 to the Haiti relief effort.
KevinA
January 14th, 2010
11:15 pm
Big Ray
January 14th, 2010
10:44 pm
Damn. A penetrating pg IS a beautiful thing, O’brien .
We need one. Do we keep Bibby and Teague and try to draft another PG and survive another year?
Ken Strickland
January 14th, 2010
11:28 pm
SAMUEL-thanks for the link. It’s really amazing what comes out of the mouths of these racists, who hide behind religion, with their god complex. If the Haitians had to make a pact with the devil in order to defeat the French and win their freedom, wouldn’t the devil be the one responsible for it taking place, since he was the catalyt for making it happen?
Anyway, I need to get my mind on something that’s not so depressing. Lets see, Eva Longoria Parker, Halle Berry, Boyonce’, Jessica Alba. Wow, I’m still depressed, but now I have an erection. heh, heh, heh.
richbrave
January 14th, 2010
11:38 pm
Regarding HAITI. Watch out for scam artists and HAITI. Give to a charity that’s well regarded and established. And be very wary of donating electronically. Stroke a check and deliver or mail it to the charity of your choice.
Also, if you have elderly people in your life beware of an FDA scam that’s going on. People are being intimidated and threatened by mail, telephone and e-mail scammers who give reasons for bogus charges to be filed against the individual by the feds. Then they relent and say mail us a check to cover the fine, or let’s have your personal info. Elder folks are easily intimidated and confused. Help them out.
richbrave
January 14th, 2010
11:41 pm
KEN STRICKLAND:
“Wow, I’m still depressed, but now I have an erection. heh, heh, heh.
Dirty old man. And thanks once again for the boost the other day.
cp
January 15th, 2010
3:12 am
http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2010/01/hawks-94-wizards-82.html
O'Brien
January 15th, 2010
7:44 am
KevinA,
The Hawks pick too low in the draft to get the kind of PG we will need. I think our best bet will be to try and trade for Devin Harris (if the Nets get the #1 pick, probably John Walls), or groom Teague and hope he develops into a starter. Another reason Teague needs his minutes, is because Bibby should not be the starter here for 2 seasons after this one.
(Side Note for Astro: Although Teague was the 7th PG taken in the draft, if I’m not mistaken, Ty Lawson the 6th PG taken. And even playing behind Billups, he got minutes early, so when Chauncey was injured, Lawson was ready to go).
Boston and Cleveland lost last night. The Magic play the Lakers tonight. If the Hawks can beat the Suns, the top 4 in the East will be even closer. Hawks need to win the division and get the #2 or #3 seed to play Boston in the second round.
JSS
January 15th, 2010
7:45 am
Just a note of Thanks to many of you…
Amidst all of the death and destruction, here is some GREAT news from Haiti… My nephew-in-law Jean St. Val’s family is alive and well… These are the stories that we are trying to accomplish for even more families around the world… Please give and keep up the good work!!! Thank you!!!
And for those of you who have not visited us on Facebook at AJC Bloggers for Haiti Relief, please do so… We DO NOT seek contributions directly, we provide links to resources, charities and Non Governmental Organization known as NGO’s (cleared by the American Institute of Philanthropy), and updates on the ongoing relief efforts… Feel free to use you own networks and connections, but please join the group if you can so we can keep you more readily updated…
JeJe
January 15th, 2010
8:06 am
Great Buzzer-beater last night by Sundiata.
Just wondering: how is he in the for the last play, yet we keep Marvin in at the end of Crawford a lot of the time? The guy is an NBDL rookie who was just brought up. Sloan is obviously a genius. Anyway, anyone know is Deron has been dealing with injuries?
JeJe
January 15th, 2010
8:19 am
Nvm Deron got hurt
KevinA
January 15th, 2010
8:27 am
It would be nice to see a Teague start tonight. There is now way Bibby can guard Steve Nash.
We do seem to play better against up tempo teams and were at home and rested. Should be a geat game.
Fundamentals
January 15th, 2010
8:39 am
You won’t get to see Teague start, but I’d like to see the 2nd unit roll out to end the 1st and possibly begin the second. They brought tremendous energy & played well in the last game.
Are Mo and ZaZa still out? I liked seeing Collins come in early in the 1st the other night. What about Randmo?
KevinA
January 15th, 2010
8:42 am
O’Brien
The Magic play the Lakers tonight
They play Portland tonight and if Roy is out (hamstring) it should be an easy win. They play the Lakers Monday.
GeeMack
January 15th, 2010
8:44 am
Ken Strickland
Good stuff on Haiti, and the Halle Berry comment “classic”. Lol.
Fundamentals
January 15th, 2010
8:48 am
Utah & San Antonio are notorious for picking diamonds from the rough. Never seen anyone else do it better. Good to see a GA boy succeeding.
KevinA
January 15th, 2010
9:16 am
Fundamentals
One of those big’s need to sit. With the Suns we might need Mario and his defensive speed. When Barbaso and Nash play together who is going to stop them from driving and living in the paint. Phx love the 3 pt shot and shoot for a high average.
Their center Fry loves to shoot the three which will keep Al away from the bucket. I don’t see much of a chance of Collins or ZaZa playing much. Joe Smith prob the better opton with Al playing major minutes.
Key to the game might be Josh equaling the efforts of Stoudemire. Nash will have a big game.
Sautee
January 15th, 2010
9:20 am
Ken Strickland,
Way too much information!
Ken Strickland
January 15th, 2010
9:39 am
RICHBRAVE-you know me so well, and you’re welcome. During the glory days of the old Washington Bullets, I was like you, a fan of the Hawks and Bullets. It was hard not to be a fan of the Pearl, Wes Unseld, Elvin Hayes, Bobby Dandridge, Kevin Greavy, Henderson and the way they played the gm. Back then, the biggest scandal was the episode where KWashington accidently shattered the face of Rudy T.
You can forget about Teague getting a chance to start or playing more mins than Bibby. Even if Bibby couldn’t play, Woodson would start MWest. If West wasn’t on the team, he’d start Crawford and use Evans in the guard rotation. He’s not going to give Teague or this team a chance to show what can happen when you add speed, quickness, penetrating ability and DEF at the PG position. At least not as long as Bibby is still on the team.
Why do you think we’ve seen the trend established where Woodson usually followed up a solid performance by either SStaudemire, ALaw or JTeague with a DNP CD, or no more than 3-4 meaningless mins at the most. Even when ALaw started for an injured Bibby and more than held his own against some of the NBA’s elite PG’s, especially on DEF, as soon as Bibby returned, Woodson anchored him to the bench and never included him or his DEF in the regular rotation. No player that poses a threat to replacing Bibby has ever been given a chance to do so by Woodson.
So, until we get rid of MBibby or Woodson, we can forget about seeing how much better this team can be with a PG that can use speed, quickness and penetrating ability to attack a DEF, as well as play DEF.
The lack of appreciation for the committment to improving his overall gm, and the way he’s performed in limited opportunities, shows Woodson either doesn’t care about, or doesn’t understand, the value of what RMorris can do for the team during those times when our OFF goes south. I’m certain everyone, including the WOODY LOVERS, remember his statement about rewarding those players who take advantage of whatever opportunities that are presented to them. Well, if that statement was more than just lip service, or typical Woody BS, RMorris definitely qualifies for more mins and consideration. SO, WHY HASN’T HE RECEIVED ANY?
When a HC limits the chances, opportunities and/or mins of his players, especially bench players, he limits the overall ability of the entire team. It was said recently that Woodson definitely played little DEF when he was in college or the pros. He was known primarily as a profilic jumpshooter, and not much else. That’s why I don’t think he ever started in the pros. But as a HC, he’s suddenly considered to be a DEF minded HC, even though he stubbornly insists on starting and protecting a slow, none penetrating, one dimensional PG that plays NO DEF. Then he blames the teams DEF failures on everyone but himself and his PG.
THE HAWKS AREN’T GOING TO GET MORE CONSISTENT, OR MUCH BETTER, WITH THIS KIND OF COACHING ATTITUDE, PHILOSOPHY AND/OR APPROACH, AND/OR UNLESS WE GET A WILLINGNESS TO EMPLOY MORE STRATEGY, INNOVATION, ADJUSTMENTS AND COMMITTMENT TO UTILIZING ALL OF OUR POTENTIAL ASSETS FROM OUR HC.
GeeMack
January 15th, 2010
9:42 am
Hawks fans
I hope everyone recognize the Hawks are only 3.5 game out of 1st place in the east. We should be shooing for 1st place in the east to have home court advantage throughout. We have 2 games against Cle. in April. We have 2 more games against the Magic, and another game against Bos (hopefully KG is back for that one). These games are excellent oppurtunities to make up ground with half the season almost gone.
JeJe
January 15th, 2010
9:47 am
Ken Strickland,
What are your thoughts on Woodson’s comments from that article that he doesn’t “give a !@#$ about offense?”
JeJe
January 15th, 2010
9:48 am
Woodson did say he’d play Mario because he knows what he’s getting from Mario.
I’d think after Teague’s block and nice game the other night, he’d be rewarded, but I guess not.
WOODY ISN OG OODY
O'Brien
January 15th, 2010
10:06 am
Ken,
I dont think Woody is afraid of playing Teague for the reason you mentioned (not wanting to show up Bibby). I just think based on Woody’s (lack thereof) offensive system, he puts more emphasis on being able to consistently make a jump shot (therefore ignoring the other talents that Teague brings to the table).
The ironic thing is he is supposed to be a defensive minded HC, but yet he doesnt give Teague the PT when Teague is a better defender than Bibby, especially against quick PGs.
I would be surprised if Teague gets much PT tonight. Woody’s reasoning will be that its going to be a high scoring game, so we will need Bibby’s jump shooting.
Fundamentals
January 15th, 2010
10:12 am
Everyone knows Woodson’s focus is on Defense. We all know he’s going to play veterans regardless of potential on the bench.
He plays Mario because he knows he’s going to get someone playing D and rebounding with reckless abandon. Alot of folks have been bashing Rio, but I still say you can’t discount the fact that h is energy helped spark the team and the 2nd unit took over in Washington.
Teague looked great against the Wizards. I’m loving his composure under pressure. He seems to be more selective with his shots and he’s not turning the ball over. No one can really question his D, as he’s proven to be as effective as any guard we have, plus he’s proven to be an excellent help defender. He needs a shot, but won’t get it.
Hopefully Bibby & Teague will split minutes 50/50 next season with the trend moving towards Teague as the starter. Hopefully Teague can develop a better jumper. I think alot of his scoring is confidence related and not technique. Right now he’s our future as is Randmo for our big.
We don’t have any real potential to draft and we’re stuck without alot of $$ to sign free agents. We’ve got a great core. We’ve just gotta get the most out of them. Can Woodson do that – YES! Will Woodson do that? We all have our ideas on that one.
Mike is Back
January 15th, 2010
10:32 am
KenStrick and Samuel, Ditto on Haiti and Ditto on Pat Robertson, amidst this terrible tragedy…HELP IS FINALLY ON THE WAY. Amidst the darkest clouds…THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE. Hope for a better tomorrow…that is what I hope for the people affected by this catastrophe. I enjoyed reading the history and background information. It was enlightening.
KevinA
January 15th, 2010
11:16 am
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A little love for the Hawks
Sautee
January 15th, 2010
2:34 pm
new blog up
Carl
January 15th, 2010
10:47 pm
This thug Josh Smith blows the game
Carl
January 15th, 2010
10:49 pm
Josh Smith probably keeps guns in his locker.
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5:32 pm
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