Othello Hunter, the losing streak

Hey, folks-

Hope you are well. I wanted to hopefully shed some light on the Hawks’ thinking in the release of Othello Hunter (some) and also the players-only meeting (probably not a lot more than what was in the story).

First, Hunter. This is Rick Sund’s answer to why the team made the move.

“Basically, it just gives us some options for the roster. Wev’e got a two-week grace period in which we can have a 12-man roster before we have to get to a 13-man roster. It allows us to be able to look at the waiver wires a little bit right now. We have the NBDL Showcase, which coincides with this time period, so all the D-League teams are in one place.”

My sense of things is that they’ll look hard at the Showcase, see if any other NBA teams’ cuts looks intriguing, and if not, they may well go ahead and sign Hunter back. Sund said there wasn’t anything in particular they were looking for.

Said Sund, “I think we’re pretty well-covered in all the positions. I’ve had some dialogue with Woody. We’ll see what happens in the next week and a half.”

I imagine some of you pull your hair out at the notion of the team being well-covered at every position. Certainly, the Hawks could be strengthened at some spots. But I’d say it’s unlikely that there’s someone out there in the D-League or about to get cast off from an NBA roster who’s going to be significantly better than what the Hawks have now.

What was interesting to me was that the Hawks didn’t have to let Hunter go to fish around, but it would certainly appear that budget has at least something to do with it. I asked Sund about why they couldn’t just add a 10-day player if they found one, or something to that effect, and he said, “We’re going to go with a 13-man roster this year.”

In fairness, I don’t think it is that big a deal. Some teams carry the full 15. Having more would help, certainly. If a player got hurt, then you could have someone to dress out who already knows the schemes. But, these are the realities of the league and the franchise. The Nets are, or at least were, leaving one assistant coach at home on each road trip to save money.

Joe Johnson on the losing streak

From Tuesday. Questions approximated.

Q: How is this losing streak different than those in the past?

A: It’s no different. We’ve just got to get back on track.

Q: What do you have to do?

A: Just get back to playing with intensity, having fun. That’s pretty much the difference. It seems as if we’re just kind of out there, just going through the motions.

Q: Do you think players have been reading press clippings about how good they are? (For the record, I didn’t ask that. Not that it’s a bad question, but I would feel very weird asking someone if they had been reading my stories)

A: I know they haven’t been doing that. I think we’re a pretty good team, but we’ve still got a long ways to go.

Q: How long do you think the team has been ‘going through the motions’?

A: I don’t know. I don’t know how long it’s been going on, but we just haven’t been playing up to our capabilities.

Q: You’ve played 43, 40, 45 and 38 minutes in the last four games. How are your legs?

A: I’m a little tired, but I’ve been doing this for awhile. I’ll be alright.

Q: The team has been settling a lot for jump shots. Do you see this as a problem?

A: I do think we have to get a little more aggressive, but we’ll figure it out.

My take on his answers and where the team is. Joe is not the most expansive player on the team, and I got the impression he was either on his way out the door somewhere or didn’t feel like talking a whole lot. I think it’s noteworthy that he conceded that the team needs to be more aggressive. Players, and I suppose all of us, don’t like to admit we’ve been doing something incorrectly. For him to own that, I think, says something.

And, I think, too, the fact that they decided they needed a players-only meeting is pretty significant. It’s the first one they’ve had this season and that, more than anything, is acknowledgement that something is wrong. I don’t exactly what was said – I think it was mostly, “We’ve got to get back to playing how we were before,” meaning defending well, rebounding and running.

We’ll see how things shake out against the Nets and this weekend. I think tonight is important, even if it’s the Nets, for them to establish the rhythms and style of play that has worked so well for them.

Gotta run.

337 comments Add your comment

Dap01

January 6th, 2010
10:53 am

Has anyone noticed that the more minute Joe plays, the worst the outcome?

Why cut Hunter if we only have 13 players if there is no apparent game plan? Our needs aren’t in adding players, our needs are utilizing our current players.

I say that the solution is to have more ISO Joe Plays. We also need to stop using that bench. We should also eliminate all passing. And we should definitely stop trying to run. We should walk the ball up the court.

Hey, let’s extend Woody.

Astro Joe

January 6th, 2010
10:54 am

Ken, good stuff. Always smart to have a players only meeting right before playing a door-mat team. Perfect timing.

I found this earlier today. Shocking, an NBA Head Coach who uses practice to determine playing time in real games. What a concept.

Does George Karl hate Renaldo Balkman since the forward is not playing? Benjamin Hochman of The Denver Post has the answer.

Hochman writes: “It all comes down to this — George Karl and his staff want to win. Badly and madly. And the fact is (and Balkman knows it), Balkman does not give 100 percent at practice. We in the media have seen it. He doesn’t know all the team’s plays and concepts. And while Balkman preaches ‘HUSTLE HARDER’ on his tattoos, he is not putting the same desire into practice. And so, it makes sense that the team is leery of throwing him into a game.”

John Drew

January 6th, 2010
10:55 am

Gotta save money. But we could use another big. Wonder if Dan Roundfield is available

Fundamentals

January 6th, 2010
11:15 am

D-League has some nice 6-11 & 7′ talent that might be a good piece? What about looking at: John Bryant, Jared Reiner, Greg Stiesman, Bryon Mullens, or Dwayne Jones as a big man.

What guards are out there besides Mario West and Stack?

Fundamentals

January 6th, 2010
11:18 am

I agree Dan on Joe’s minutes. It’s not just minutes, it’s riding him like a pony in the 4th and expecting him to shoulder the load. He’s a perfect complimentary piece, not a superstar. He needs help from his teammates to be successful.

Maybe they do suck in practice Astro. If so we need to trade them for someone who wants to work and wants to be here.

Willie Coyote

January 6th, 2010
11:32 am

It is amazing to me how this team just refuses to do what has been successful. When they defend and share the ball, they are fun to watch. They get away from that too often. The guards hog the ball too much and Josh has got to stop letting the pathetic NBA officiating get him out of his game the way it seems to at times.

Jeff Teague needs to get some PT for goodness sake. I wonder if there is a package the Hawks could put together for Troy Murphy. He may fit better than Marvin is.

Astro Joe

January 6th, 2010
11:34 am

If Sund is going to stick with a 13-man roster, then the best best would be to sign someone to an unguaranteed contract until the higher quality players are bought out of their deals in February. For example, if the Nets buy-out Trenton Hassell next month, i would love to snatch him up and add a tough perimeter defender to the roster. I would also monitor Raja Bell and Devean George out in San Francisco.

Fundamentals

January 6th, 2010
11:44 am

How bout my 10-day contract idea w D-League bigs or Mario till a gem comes along the wire?

kwooden1

January 6th, 2010
11:44 am

Not to worried about the Othello, he wasn’t going to play anyways and I think Sund might be just sending a message. Guys have to maximize their playing time or he will find someone that will.

Hopefully we can see some counter moves out of the Smoove and Horford tonight. Lopez and Jianlian present interesting problems, because of Lopez’s activity inside and Jianlian shooting ability. We will have problems with Harris as usual and Cortney Lee seems to play pretty well against us. Miami definitely respected Smoove’s left hook, so hopefully he will be ready with a baseline counter move tonight. Same with Horford.

I’m sure we’re going to see more energy on the defensive end tonight, hopefully NJ will come to play so this game won’t be over by the 3rd. We need another tough game to get the guys focused for Boston and Orlando.

GO HAWKS!!

Dom 'the Don' Wilkins

January 6th, 2010
12:09 pm

Good stuff Ken. Each week, these blogs get better.

Shall I say? HEAT CHECK!!!!

Lacsho

January 6th, 2010
12:12 pm

This is the Hawks dilemma. It’s obvious this team is divided, you have, JJ, Crawford and Bibby on one side, and on the other side you have Smoove and Horford. Once the first side starts jacking shots and going iso, the latter side stops rebounding and playing help defense. I think there’s a power struggle between these players.
Furthermore, I think Woodrow is very stubborn, and he never going to truly change. Woodrow needs a team full of Veterans. For example, if we had Lawson on this team, Lawson would receive the Teague and Law treatment. Again, why draft a pg, when you know Woodrow’s not going to develop a rookie pg. Woodrow and Sund needs to get on the same page.

Peace

I MUS WRITE

January 6th, 2010
12:23 pm

The hills are alive – The sound of Music……

I MUS WRITE

January 6th, 2010
12:24 pm

Come on Ken get this monster off the blog any post over 5 sentences tends to dissapear.

rms

January 6th, 2010
12:25 pm

MannyT

January 6th, 2010
12:41 pm

Regarding Othello Hunter…

Astro…lead the chorus in this tune…follow the money!!

Per Larry Coon Q92
In addition, on January 10 the base salary in all contracts becomes guaranteed for the remainder of that season (except for one case — see question 60). A player must clear waivers by this date, so teams will waive players a couple days before in order to have them off their rosters before January 10. Also, if a player is waived prior to January 10 but is injured as a direct result of playing basketball with his team, then his salary is guaranteed until he is ready to play again or until the end of the season, whichever comes first.

Add to this that the league subsidizes minimum salary IF the player gets credit for more than 2 years of experience. That kicks in for Collins, Morris, & Joe Smith.

I would suspect that revenues may be a little behind projections. All the other players are likely on guaranteed deals.

I don’t fault the ownesrship for trying to manage costs. As much as I see folks here complain about the Hawks, sometimes people forget that this is a business venture. While they might do a few things differently to increase fan support, the bottom line is that they need to become profitable at some point. For all the complaints that people might have, the ones that they should act on are those that get people to spend money. I doubt many folks are choosing to spend their money elsewhere because Mr. Hunter was released.

Profit has less to do with winning than most fans want to admit. According to Forbes magazine, the Clippers and Knicks made money last season while the TrailBlazers and Mavericks were the biggest losers. I guess it helps to have billionaire owner who benefited from the internet boom if your team is losing money;-)

It harder to follow the money these days because the little that is out there seems to be hiding in caves…and the money doesn’t seem to have any desire to increase its visibility in the near term.

BWAF

MannyT

January 6th, 2010
12:44 pm

For those of you interested in the reference mention in my prior post, the quickest link to Larry Coon’s website is http://www.cbafaq.com

He also have facebook and twitter.

BWAF

Ken Sugiura

January 6th, 2010
12:45 pm

Astro Joe – funny stuff. That reminds me of something I once read about how, if the Dodgers were in a slump, he would sometimes coach third base to try to break the team out of the slump, but he’d wait until his ace was pitching to do it. that said, i do think the timing had more to do with miami than new jersey.
as for what the hawks do next, i imagine most of you know the ins and outs of 10-day contracts better than me, but if they give one player two consecutive 10-day contracts, at the end of the second 10 days they have to sign him for the rest of the season or cut him loose. Fundamentals and Astro Joe seem to be thinking along the same lines, and perhaps the Hawks are, as well. If they go two weeks without adding anyone, they’d sign somebody on the 19th.
Maybe they give one player a 10-day, someone else another and that takes them into Feburary.
Willie, I don’t get it as much as you do. It’s mystifying.
Thanks, Dom. I appreciate the kind words.

BTW, Woodson said, essentially, that they didn’t want to guarantee Hunter’s contract for the rest of the season (which they would have had to do Jan. 10 if he were still on the roster) and wanted to look at other options. Woodson also didn’t specify a position he wanted filled.

O'Brien

January 6th, 2010
1:08 pm

Whether we sign Mario West, Trenton Hassle, Stackhouse etc, in my opinion, it wont make much of a difference, because chances are, as the 13th guy, they wont get much PT, and if they do, I dont expect much from them.

I agree with Lacsho. The players only meeting was probably split in 2. On one side was JJ, Bibby and Crawford, and everybody else was on the other side. The guards were telling the other guys that they cannot stand around and expect to get the ball when they’re not moving.

The other side responded saying, whats the point of cutting to the basket, showing for the ball, setting picks, etc., when the guards (specifically JJ) are not going to pass it, and if they do, 10 seconds or less are on the clock.

It’s one of those which comes first? The chicken or the egg?

This game against the Nets is coming at the right time. Imagine if the Hawks were playing an elite team tonight? Playing (and hopefully routing) the Nets should give the Hawks some confidence and swagger back going into Friday’s game.

Fundamentals

January 6th, 2010
1:08 pm

Anyone know what a 10-day costs? I’d like to see 4-5 of those bigs get some run. Maybe a guard or two? That is if Sund could make Woody use the entire bench to allow our team to develop and grow. Shrink the roster in crunch time in the playoffs. Not now

JeJe

January 6th, 2010
1:10 pm

“but we’ve still got a long ways to go.”

How are you going to achieve that, joe? Are you just going to say that in every interview? You’re the one holding us back. You and Mike Knapp and Mini-Me Bibby

Astro Joe

January 6th, 2010
1:11 pm

Manny, good stuff (as usual).

Ken, I assume you were mentioning Lasorda… one of the greatest salesmen in the history of pro sports.

Ken Sugiura

January 6th, 2010
1:19 pm

yes, Tommy Lasorda. My brain got ahead of my typing.

Astro Joe

January 6th, 2010
1:22 pm

For all those who continue to insinuate that Bibby is in partnership with the “shoots too much” club… you do realize that he has taken only 12 more shots this season than Marvin Williams, right? (I use Marvin as a benchmark because I think that there is universal agreement that Marvin doesn’t shoot enough). That he (Bibby) averages fewer shots per game than Josh Smith AND Al Horford, rtight?

Fire your bullets at Joe AND Jamal (who seems to be faultless in this assault on guards) but I think that Bibby is innocent in your accusations.

Astro Joe

January 6th, 2010
1:27 pm

Ken, why do I have a feeling that interviewing Lasorda and interviewing Woody is about as different as Rosie O’Donnell is from Halle Berry?

Fundamentals

January 6th, 2010
1:41 pm

My comments towards Bibby are that he should be the floor general to dictate when Joe and Jamal get shots. He should dictate where the ball is going with his play calling and then be selective in his own shot selection. You can’t tell me you don’t pray he holds back a few of those ill advised 3-point attempts early in the clock when we should be running a play? When I ran point if a kid was chucking up 3’s and the coach wouldn’t sit him he just didn’t get his number called the next time down. If he did manage a look he better take it to the bucket or he wasn’t getting any more chances. Granted I wasn’t in the NBA, but basketball is basketball.

Joe and Jamal feel they have to shoot to “carry” the team, but in essence they’re taking TEAM right out of the mix. We need a balanced attack from 6-8 players to be successful, not 2-3.

Daniel

January 6th, 2010
1:45 pm

Nice blog piece Ken. The cutting of Othello and the players only meeting have exactly the same value to this team. NADA. Both are just distractions and talking points for the paper(and us) while the team is in a slump. They cut Othello to save the season salary, that’s it. It is nice to be able to report it during a slump, because it changes the focus a little.

I certainly hope Joe had more to say in the player’s only meeting than what he usually gives the media.

I dunno what’s wrong with this team. Honestly, I wasn’t that depressed about the Clevland and NY losses, but the Miami game was just absolutely PATHETIC.

No effort, no energy, no direction, no pride. Josh gets his little feelings hurt and goes into a shell. Joe starts playing like the game is already over. Horford and ZaZa stop rebounding. Everyone looks around like “what’s happening?!”
*MY COMMENTS TO THE HAWKS PLAYERS[sic]*
I’ll tell you what’s happening!!! No team in the NBA is so good that they just get to walk on the court and win. You have to play with desire, pride and determination. I don’t care how much money you make or how great you think you are, you have to work to win. You guys are NOT the Atlanta Hawks… I am! and the other fans on here and show up at the games. Your play in the Heat game is beneath us. We deserve and demand better…. You ain’t sh*t unless We say you are!!! Put up or shut up, PUNKS. You all should be embarassed and grateful to have a job today(EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU). UNACCEPTABLE!!! Hope that helps in your “player’s only meeting” to discuss “playing hard” … Good God, are you guys professionals or middle schoolers? Give me a break.

Daniel

January 6th, 2010
1:47 pm

Ok, I do feel a little better now.

Mike is Back

January 6th, 2010
1:49 pm

Well look what the cat drag in…Yeah it has been somewhat rough lately…remaining among the elite has been tenuous at bets lol

I wasn’t shocked by Sund decision on Othalla…he has been on the mark thus far…I can under stand their motive…I know Othella hasn’t gotten many opportunities…but he clearly didn’t WOW anyone when he was on the floor…maybe see if there is a Big that could contribute in the post. THAT WAY WHEN JOSH GOES OFF TO JOSH WORLD… ya killing me SMOOVE. We will have another body to help man the post.

TEAGUE, is killing me too…I was at the NY game scratching my head trying figure out when Teague was going to take Nate lil assss and DUNK HIM IN THE GOAL. Clearly, he had a size advantage…TEAGUE YOU LOSS YOUR AGGRESSION…I seen three plays when you were on offense that you had the angle to the goal and YOU pass it up for some pity pack stuff off the glass. Which usually gets blocked to compound things worst? The Hawks became stagnate the minute he took over the point… If you ain’t going to DUNK when you go to hole…don’t go…cuz its coming back…this is the NBA…you need to get yo SWAG BACK…I’m talking bout WHEN you DUNK ON LAMAR ODOM IN LA. What happen to that guy??? You gotta step TEAGUE..lets go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Having said that I don’t know when Woody is going to let you out of his doghouse…so I’ll be patient. lol

IF Woody is not given Teague the green light…then I understand why he is playing passive…he got him playing with one hand behind his back…turn him a loose and give him the green light WOODY…we have seen this show before…maybe the Hawks need to concentrate on being professional instead of worry about having fun.

I DISAGREE WITH JJ…its more to it than that…BIBBY keeps say it but they still don’t get it. WHEN WE SHARE THE BALL AND PLAY UNSELFISH…WE CAN COMPETE WITH ANYBODY. CUZ…clearly when Bibby is not on the floor…the offense grinds to a halt…it is two guys that has become too over zealous with the green light…I want call no names…you know um.

Heck after it was no contest in the Heat game…I switching channel between the bowl game and the Heat game…everyone was taking jump shots…ZAZA came in…Dam if he didn’t take a jump shot. WTF lol

OH, I was saying it good to be back KenSurg…thank you for explaining the Othella situation…Nice article. Heh Heh

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fundamentals

January 6th, 2010
1:54 pm

I can’t argue the rage Daniel. Much the same. I once broke a 2nd place trophy in front of my mom after a big tournament. Not because we lost, but because my teammates didn’t play their best. I wanted no part of celebrating that we gave it away. Definitely a burning memory that still resonates today. I strive for excellence. Seems everyone else doesn’t. Kudos to you for having a competitive heart that wants to give 100% every time out.

Dom 'the Don' Wilkins

January 6th, 2010
2:00 pm

I saw where the Utah Jazz signed ex UGA man, Sundiata Gaines out of the D League.

Grandad

January 6th, 2010
2:02 pm

They’re gonna sign a rookie pt. guard to a [ten day] so Teager will have somebody to talk to on the bench.

MannyT

January 6th, 2010
2:03 pm

Astro…That Lasorda guy actually got the salesmanship side of baseball as well the sports side of it. It’s rare in the big leagues. The minor leagues tend to be more in tune with getting people out to support you.

The Hawks need a new video.

I’d suggest going outside of the local talent and getting the Black Eyed Peas to redo Where is the Love as Share “D” Love.

They need to remember how they got here. Defense and assists. Move your feet and move the ball.

I imagine that it is easier to have a players only meeting when your skid leaves you with a 21-12 record. Let’s see how they are doing after the Washington game next Wednesday. Then I’ll have a real opinion about the meeting. Winning will cure most problems.

BWAF

Astro Joe

January 6th, 2010
2:10 pm

Fundamentals, yeah, there may be a time or two during the game when I would prefer that Bibby NOT shoota 3-ball, but honestly, is Bibby the problem? I recognize that he isn’t a great defender and age won’t increase his defensive skills. But in terms of the offensive end of the court, Bibby is fairly low on my list of issues with the offense.

GeeMack

January 6th, 2010
2:11 pm

It’s somewhat comical that a head coach that’s guided a team back to respectability would not be recieved by the fan base.

My man Ken Strickland suggests that JJ, Bibby, & Josh occassional deviation from a more ball movement generated offense is directly connected to Woody’s offensive system.

Here are the fact; Josh, Marvin, JJ, Horford & Zaza have all gotten better playing under Woody. The Hawks record has improved each year since he’s been the HC. The Hawks are on pace to have their best season in 10 years under Woody.

Since the season started many so called “insiders” have publicly stated the big 3 in the east is now the big 4. Despite the fact Bos, Cle, & Orl. all have better talent than Atlanta.

Many of you will say the Hawks have gotten better inspite of Woody, and not because of Woody. However you have no evidience to support the latter.

Kobe was once deemed uncoachable by his current coach. Mainly because of his frequent deviation from the triangle offense, and not permit other teammate scoring oppurtunities. This was during a championship run!

My point: during an 82 game regular season there will periods where teams get away from what made them good. PJ, Doc, Pop, & Riley have all experienced it with veteran teams. However you don’t fire the HC coach, just because you have a bad stretch.

If the Hawks continue to rebound, play good defense, run when the oppurtunities are there, and move the ball we will experince a better regular season than last year,and we should get to the ECF.

The only way you can be mad at Woody is if you think this team is underacheving, and that’s clearly not the case. We are few head to head wins with the other elite teams in the conference from 1st place in the east, and that is overachieving.

Astro Joe

January 6th, 2010
2:12 pm

Manny, let’s hope they leave the Wizards game without any bullet wounds… that should be considered a victory :twisted:

GeeMack

January 6th, 2010
2:13 pm

Daniel

Way to vent! I said something similar after reading an article JJ trashed the Hawks fans about not showing up at games like he expected.

Fundamentals

January 6th, 2010
2:15 pm

Astro – Bibby can control some of our problems on the offensive end by speeding up the game and running plays for key matchups. Don’t just walk it up and hand it to Joe. Do your job at effectively running the team. If he did that I’d live with the 3’s and whatever shot Bibby wants to take.

Bibby isn’t so much a liability on D when they’re all working together. He does get torched by super fast guards, but that’s when you use Teague. His bulk in my mind is an assett b/c he isn’t pushed around like he used to be. I tend to like his new muscle.

GeeMack

January 6th, 2010
2:18 pm

Astro Joe

nice post.

GeeMack

January 6th, 2010
2:22 pm

Fundamentals, & Astro

I must have notice that Bibby has made great effort to drive the more this season as in the past. Although it’s obvious he doesn’t have lift he use to.

Fundamentals

January 6th, 2010
2:26 pm

Geemack – How can you praise Daniel’s vent when your long post asks us to overlook their lack of effort and praise their record?

Astro Joe

January 6th, 2010
2:31 pm

Fundamentals, but surely, you have seen Bibby run a sweet pick and roll with Horford, when he throws that nice bounce pass through the traffic and into Al’s hands. And he runs that sometimes with Josh, but he usually lobs the pass for Josh. I understand that we are in a rough stretch but if you consider the larger sample size of the entire season, I think it is hard to criticize a top scoring team that includes a top 5 fast break and points-in-the-paint club. It ain’t perfect but it’s not at the heart of our recent issue either (IMO). Again, on my list of issues with the team, Bibby’s play is down there close to the nit-picking region of concerns.

Lacsho

January 6th, 2010
2:31 pm

I’m not saying Bibby shoots too much, however; Bibby will come down and jack a shot up after we’ve failed to score for 5 minutes. Bibby’s suppose to be the vet pg, so tell me why he allows his team to go scoreless for 9 – 10 minutes at one time. If I’m not mistaken the pg is the coach on the floor, so therefore it’s his responsibility to get the ball down low when the team goes 0 for 20 or scoreless for an entire quarter.

Astro Joe

January 6th, 2010
2:43 pm

Lachso, you’re right… each and every game, Bibby allows the team to go scoreless for 9-10 minutes. And yet, we\re still at the top of scoring in the conference. Meanwhile, that happened like once (against the Cavs) and Bibby was on the bench during most of the 4th quarter (I’m pretty sure that he entered the game around the 4:00 minute mark and they finally scored a minute later).

GeeMack

January 6th, 2010
2:46 pm

Fundamentals

Because Daniel’s responce is to the so called “players only meeting”. Where they’ve gotten away from the things that made them a good team to begin with.

My post was more about the big picture. Notice I said when the Hawks get back to doing the things that made them good we will continue to have a good season.

GeeMack

January 6th, 2010
2:47 pm

Fundamentals

response. Bad spelling day.

Daniel

January 6th, 2010
2:48 pm

Gee and Fundamentals- I appreciate the props. Gee, I read that Joe piece while on vaca. I think he said it to another paper in another city, right? Anyway, yeah, that cheesed me off, too. I really can’t stand when players or media or even other fans, blame the fans for their “effort”. My love of the Hawks has to do with my love of basketball, my city and a desire to win, as it so happens when players perform well, we love them to. But, they don’t have a “right” to be supported, its your freaking JOB!!!! to play a game, what’s the matter you need to be idolized more to??

As you guys know, I am usually pretty even keeled, maybe even a little of a Pollyanna, but I HATE. HATE, HATE, lazy basketball. Sorry about the profanity in my prior post.

Lacsho

January 6th, 2010
2:51 pm

Fundamentals

January 6th, 2010
2:57 pm

No probs with Daniel! Lovin the passion for the team myself.

GeeMack – I see your point. Just wanted to make sure you didn’t think it was OK to overlook lazy play.

Astro – it is nit pickin, but it hinges on the issue’s we’re discussing. We need solid veteran leadership who demands 100% effort and team play. I pick at Bibby because he can do that. He’s proven with our team he can do that. The past 2 games he has seemed content to just let them lull and fall into the trap of ISO plays.

A good PG is the coach on the floor. He is the team leader on the floor dictating the action…especially if folks are promoting him as a potential All-Star. Bibby can be all that.

Know in all the detail picking effort is 99.9% of our problem.

Blast

January 6th, 2010
2:59 pm

Glad to see Hawks players took my advice about a player only meeting. Now, lets see what comes out of it. In the game against Miami, you could tell Hawks hearts weren’t in it, especially on the defence. Everybody played passive on defence. Usually when Hawks are in the game, their defence is ferocious. Guys are moving their feet, closing up on their man, guys are swinging their arms, playing the passing lane, deflecting the ball, leading to steals and Hawks running game. I saw none of that versus Miami.

Then again, despite a 4-0 losing streak, Hawks are two and a half games behind Orlando, who has lost two games in a row lately, and Hawks have a better record than division leader Denver, better record than Portland, Phoenix, and Soutwest leader Dallas has only a slightly better record than Hawks, so all is not lost yet. But if Hawks lose to New Jersey, I might just rip my hair out!

Go Hawks!

Fundamentals

January 6th, 2010
3:07 pm

I feel like I’m on a soap box here, but records, team meetings, trades, who you’re playing, who’s hurt, who’s having a career night, ect does not have anything to do with giving 100%.

Daniel must have me pissed off thinking about the lackluster efforts in NY and Miami. Win or lose you’ve gotta give it your all…especially when you’re getting paid more per day than most all us get in a year! I’d bust my tail for free to have that kind of opportunity!