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Greetings, all-

What to make of Tuesday night?

Jamal Crawford’s take: “We had a rough stretch scoring the ball and that hasn’t been the case all year. We look at it as a fluke, laying an egg, and hopefully come out tomorrow and get a win.”

I don’t know if I entirely agree with him, but I don’t think he’s so far off. I don’t know what happened in the fourth quarter. Crawford said that pressure built with each failed possession. Al Horford said that Cleveland defended the transition differently and caught the Hawks by surprise. After a sizzling start, Joe Johnson might have been as ineffective as I’ve seen him. Obviously, Cleveland had something to do with it. The Cavs are one of the best defensive teams in the league – first in points in the paint allowed, second in defensive field goal percentage and fourth in points allowed per game. Earlier this season, they held Milwaukee scoreless for more than 11 minutes.

Mike Brown, before Tuesday’s game: “Guys are doing a nice job limiting teams to one shot. There were stretches (in the season) where we were getting hurt on the offensive glass, there were stretches where we got hurt in transition. There was a stretch where we were turning the ball over and our floor balance wasn’t great and we were getting hurt real bad with some easy baskets. We’ve kind of done a decent job of trying to clean that up. Our guys have been focusing on those areas and done a better job of not letting those easy buckets happen to us.”

But, it did seem fluky. I (and you, I imagine) have grown accustomed to the Hawks making good decisions with the ball – or at least not turning it over – and they were just haphazard, particularly in the fourth quarter. I guess the tougher part is teasing out how much pressure and defense had to do with it, and how much was the Hawks just imploding.

Some links:

Jeff Schultz’s column from the game.

“I think we put too much pressure on ourselves to go win a game instead of just playing the way we know how to play,” Josh Smith said. “We definitely thought about this game too hard.”

Hawks pre-game?

Hawks pre-game?

Cleveland Plain-Dealer’s game story.

(The Cavaliers) have never done what they enforced on the Hawks in this one, stuffing them for nearly nine minutes in the fourth quarter.

espn.com’s Daily Dime.

qualitatively it was shocking how little had changed from the playoff series nearly eight months ago.

Anyway, going forward.

Why the Hawks will win

1. Few gave them much of a chance in Boston and Dallas, and they won there. (The Dallas game, you’ll remember, followed the New York loss, one of the worst of the season. Josh Smith got tossed, the starters played extended minutes and it looked for all the world like Dallas would run the Hawks out of the gym. Interestingly, Crawford said pretty much the same thing following that New York game that he did Tuesday. This is a pretty confident group, and I didn’t sense any self-doubt in the locker room after the game.)

2. I think the Hawks think or know they can play with Cleveland, and I don’t think they’re scared. As poorly as the Hawks played offensively at times, they did a pretty solid job on Cleveland defensively, particularly in the second half. Marvin Williams defended admirably against LeBron James (and had a solid night overall), although I’m not sure where to draw the Marvin played well/LeBron played poorly line.

I think LeBron's the one on the left

I think LeBron's the one on the left

3. I don’t think the Hawks will have a stretch like they did Tuesday night, at least not of their own doing.

4. The Hawks were a little miffed with the chirping that some of the Cavaliers were doing, which may make them all the more eager for payback (if they need any more reasons). Without naming him, they were particularly unimpressed with the woofing that Jamario Moon was doing.

5. Despite their many incompetence issues, the Hawks had 23 fast-break points against Cleveland, 10 more than the Cavs’ average. There’s no reason the Hawks can’t do better if they handle the ball better in transition than Tuesday.

Why they won’t

1. Again with James – even if Williams had a lot to do with his 6-for-20, there’s no way he plays like that two nights in a row.

2. When the Hawks won in Boston, they were helped by Boston shooting 1 for 15 from 3-point range. In Dallas, Josh Howard was out.

3. Besides James, I don’t think Cleveland played all that well. There were a number of turnovers that were just bad, bad plays that I wouldn’t expect that team to make. The Hawks will likely face a better team Wednesday.

4. One of the Hawks’ pillars is rebounding. Cleveland neutralized the Hawks Tuesday, outrebounding the Hawks 43-30 and holding them to five offensive boards, and there’s no reason to think the Cavaliers can’t do it again.

5. Bottom line, it’s hard not to say that the Cavaliers are a better team. The Hawks’ chance to take one was Tuesday.

Why do you think the Hawks will win/lose tonight? Feel free to use my reasons, as each of them rates a 10 for insight.*

This one goes to 11.

This one goes to 11.

Also, I’m planning on figuring out who won the prediction contest in my hotel in Cleveland this afternoon. Looking forward to it.

* Sarcasm.

632 comments Add your comment

JeJe

December 30th, 2009
8:10 pm

With the typical Hawks, we’d let the halftime lead shrink and let LeBron get the GW on his birthday. I think tonight will be diferent

vava74

December 30th, 2009
8:11 pm

Marvin has been doing a good job, he can’t get passed by all screens and imagine that Lebron would sink 2 shots from 40ft

terrell barron

December 30th, 2009
8:11 pm

We need tio stick with this lineup for a while. Bibby, Crawford, Marvin, Smoove, and Collins. Playing like a TEAM. Bring JJ back in when the lead narrows to 6 or so.

welikebaseball2

December 30th, 2009
8:11 pm

Mac-Town’z Finest 478: LOL! I’d say tic tac toe. About Collins…yep, got to love a big body with 6 fouls to use!

bigdave

December 30th, 2009
8:13 pm

Melvin

December 30th, 2009
8:14 pm

Good 1st half by the Lebron….

JeJe

December 30th, 2009
8:14 pm

The difference b/w Jamal and JJ taking shots @ the end of the quarter is Jamal takes bad shots, whereas Joe doesn’t get the shot off

bigdave

December 30th, 2009
8:14 pm

exactly Melvin…

JeJe

December 30th, 2009
8:15 pm

Just leave Joe out til the 4 minute mark. He makes the big shots down the stretch. No need to have him in when it’s just regular time. He’ll cool down

Wabe

December 30th, 2009
8:15 pm

Duplicate this in the 2nd half, and avoid the dry spells. We can slow the Cavs down. We did a good job of that last night but couldn’t generate enough points to get a W. Tonite, we managed to put together a 64-point 1st half.

Lets go Hawks!

Melvin

December 30th, 2009
8:15 pm

haha… I meant, Good 1st half by the Hawks… Dang I dislike Lebron…

terrell barron

December 30th, 2009
8:15 pm

Woody trippin on Crawford. Never says a word to JJ when he takes a bad shot. Gets on my nerves!

Melvin

December 30th, 2009
8:17 pm

Oh yeah, Collins and Joe Smith gave us some good mins in the 1st half. Hopefully, Woody will have the you know what to play them in the 2nd half.

vava74

December 30th, 2009
8:18 pm

Can you see it coming? Everyone will bring in their “Al is just a PF argument” after this game…

Well, he is against Shaq and maybe against Howard, and that is why we have Collins!

vava74

December 30th, 2009
8:19 pm

the rest of the games, I like Al at the 5

vava74

December 30th, 2009
8:21 pm

As for Crawford, you don’t know if Woody called a different play and he broke it

welikebaseball2

December 30th, 2009
8:21 pm

Wabe: True. Only thing that frustrates me about Woodson is his inability to adjust within games. He’s obviously made some adjustments between last night’s game & tonight. I just worry that the Cavs will come out with some changes & that the Hawks won’t be able to counter. I think the Cavs are good enough & well-coached enough to not allow themselves to be dominated by the same gameplan two halves in a row. We surely have to play with the same intensity & fearlessness as we did in the 1st half though. Drive the ball, challenge their bigs.

Wabe

December 30th, 2009
8:25 pm

Woody’s done a good job handling the rotation today. He’s been rotating the right guys into the lineup to matchup with the Cavs. Last night, it seemed we had no matchup for Delonte West. But tonite, Woody has swapped the right guys in and out the lineup to create a more favorable matchup. Guys like Evans offer a better matchup against West. Woody’s also done a good job rotating Marvin in and out of the game, and although he’s had some lapses, he’s offers us our best shot at slowing down LBJ without tiring JJ out on the defensive end.

KevinA

December 30th, 2009
8:26 pm

I like JJ or Jamal on the bench – better flow – better D No need to play both with bibby hot

Big Ray

December 30th, 2009
8:26 pm

Here’s where the real test comes. We’ve played the Cavs VERY well so far. They WILL make adjustments. We have to figure them out quickly and adjust in return, while not falling into old, bad habits.

Wabe

December 30th, 2009
8:26 pm

And about Collins, just good to see the guy actually get out on the floor against a quailty opponent and be able to play meaningful minutes.

KevinA

December 30th, 2009
8:27 pm

The bench came to play – our starters are rested. Hope Woody sticks with game plan of first half.

vava74

December 30th, 2009
8:29 pm

I would definitively continue to keep Collins against Shaq but I would put Al back on against Ziggy and feed him the ball in order to get Ziggy’s 4th foul quickly.

KevinA

December 30th, 2009
8:29 pm

Still think we could play josh at the 3 and go big, when Marvin needs a break. Josh on Labron might work. Got 5 fouls to work with.

Big Ray

December 30th, 2009
8:29 pm

Strange. Very quiet from certain corners….

leedsatlanta

December 30th, 2009
8:31 pm

what a hustle play

vava74

December 30th, 2009
8:31 pm

what a bogus call!

vava74

December 30th, 2009
8:32 pm

another one!!!!

Season Ticket Holder

December 30th, 2009
8:33 pm

Can we get one charge on Lebron… come on refs

welikebaseball2

December 30th, 2009
8:33 pm

Must be nice to be LeBron. Never a charge, never a charge! This cat is initiating contact EVERY drive. Wow.

Big Ray

December 30th, 2009
8:35 pm

KevinA ,

That’s a good idea in a perfect world. But you know what would happen. Josh would get 5 fouls in 2 minutes. And not because he was actually committing them.

Melvin

December 30th, 2009
8:35 pm

The Cavs annoucers act like Lebron does nothing wrong…

welikebaseball2

December 30th, 2009
8:36 pm

Big Ray: I’m assuming your last post was directed elsewhere. I mentioned adjusting. Just checking…

Melvin

December 30th, 2009
8:36 pm

We got jumpshot happy and the Cavs cut into our lead…

vava74

December 30th, 2009
8:36 pm

see how can a couple of bogus calls completely disrupt the flow of the game?????

Wabe

December 30th, 2009
8:37 pm

Cavs seem to be tightening up that D and Atlanta’s been settling for jumpers the last couple times down.

MAD-DONNA

December 30th, 2009
8:37 pm

Here we go again!

J.J.M.

December 30th, 2009
8:38 pm

and here comes the cavs

welikebaseball2

December 30th, 2009
8:38 pm

Oops, looks like there may be 2 Big Ray’s here. Oh well. Disregard my last post. Not picking or accepting fights. Just hoping we can pull off a big road win!

bigdave

December 30th, 2009
8:38 pm

aight Hawks… lets play through the b…s…

bigdave

December 30th, 2009
8:40 pm

keep big stupid on the line…

J.J.M.

December 30th, 2009
8:43 pm

lol josh is scared to get dunk on by lebron

J.J.M.

December 30th, 2009
8:44 pm

Wabe

December 30th, 2009
8:45 pm

Chokejobs.

We’re supposed to be the team that wants to run, so how is it that Cleveland is getting easy transition buckets on us?

Nobody’s even stepping out on these 3-pointers.

Pick it back up.

Melvin

December 30th, 2009
8:45 pm

JJM, where were you an hour ago….

msubearfan

December 30th, 2009
8:45 pm

you knew cavs would come back and get it close but didn’t expect it to happen so fast. this team still has a lot of growing up to do. super talented but still doing so many stupid things.

Brett

December 30th, 2009
8:45 pm

that didn’t take long

vava74

December 30th, 2009
8:45 pm

yes we made mistakes, but these were induced by the refs.

terrell barron

December 30th, 2009
8:45 pm

J.J.M.

December 30th, 2009
8:46 pm

i was at work