Hawks-Cavs thread

First- I think!!!

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I think the Hawks will win this one handily. Lebron was out til 4 in the morning having a few drinks in ATL last night and should look a little sluggish. If he looks good, maybe staying out all night is his regular routine.

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Hawks need to at least split these 2 games.

I think Woody will play his starters 40 minutes or more (except Marvin)if he has to, because he wants to win the game tonight (it is at home, and its the first game).

I hope the switching doesnt put Josh on LeBron, because Josh needs to stay out of foul trouble.

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If the Hawks bring their A game, which they should, this should be a Thriller in Manilla, or a Thriller in the ATL.

Go Hawks!!!!!!!

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Lets not have a meltdown this game

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lets get it…

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It was around the same time last season that Hawks snapped Cav’s 11 game winning streak. Can they do it again?

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Exactly what I was afraid of. Josh ending up on LeBron…

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Josh stop taking jumpersssssssssssss

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Is there a blackout restriction on this game?

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LOL Marvin barely got off the ground

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wow Shaq is fat

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Love the way Joe is balling right now. Under control, but deadly efficient.

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Effecient.

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Did anybody else feed of the game went out

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Joe was killing em wit d flow right there… missed the shot though…

cracks me up when he starts dribbling to the music…

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Now the audio and the sound is off… WTF

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Marvin was feelin it against lebron

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NBA TV free stuff is over. Gotta pay to see it now.

Josh needs to stop buying on those pumpfakes. 2 fouls on pumps! GRRRRRRR!!!!!

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i hope Joe guards Lebron.. my worst nightmare is Mo on Lebron…

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Not such a great ending to a pretty decent 1st quarter. Ball hasn’t moved as much since Smoove went out. Too much one on one. We need to continue moving the ball.

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NBA TV need to fix thier feed for the game. This borrowing the feed from Sportsouth is not working…Audio and picture is out of sync…

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in trouble with this back court…

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no fronting Shaq. .. no double team… !!!

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difference in the hawks this year the other team would have ran us out the gym not this year.

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Look like Bibby should have been practicing his 3’s instead of joking with Shaq…

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it’s ok guys…we can all trust coach Michael Woodson to make the necessary adjustments

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Bibby couldn;t guard a scarecrow

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bring back Marvin or Joe…

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FOUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Man Woody the idiot wont put teague in

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Za Za playing lazy as shyt right now…

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Crawford was checkin Lebron on that last possession for Cleveland. Mismatch forced Zaza to come over and help. That left the lane open for West to knock down that short jumper in the lane.

Where’s Marvin Williams? The guy hasn’t been in the game since the 1st quarter. He’s supposed to be you’re ideal matchup for Lebron.

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SH_ITTY DEFENSE

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Nice to see Joe and Jamal talking so much.

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Jamal is taking the offensive load right now… but we’re not getting anything close to the basket while all the Cavs looks are at the rim…

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WHY THE HELL DIDN’T WE KEEP GARRETT SILER?

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this is frustrating to watch…

Cleveland flexing muscle and we playing 1 on 1…

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The Cavs are a better team when Lebron doesn’t have to score a ton of points…

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Varaejo on Marvin?

Common man, we’ve got some favorable matchups. We gotta swing that ball and guys gotta take advantage of mismatches.

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Marvin give the ball up…you suck!!

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Damn Marvin…from sugar to sh*t!!

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Typical Hawks end the qtr terribly

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FOUL THE GUY MARVIN…YOU HAVE A FOUL TO GIVE YOU IDIOT!!! WHAT A CLOWN!!!

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Horrible end to that half. Marvin played some solid defense, but then got stupid anxious and threw the ball right to Williams…

Crawford strokes one and hits. And we can’t walk into halftime down 3 because we couldn’t hold with 2 seconds left?

Common.

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Marvin Squilliams got too caught up in his glory with the big defensive stand on Lebron….then carelessly threw the ball away.

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something… i dunno… we dont look scrappy…

id like to see our coach put Teague in… im not a big time play Teague guy.. but its reg. season against an opponent who you may see later on… see what he can give you. make the Cavs adjust.
we are just too predictable… im sorry.. we have talent but we are to predictable with our talents… thats pure coaching/scheme.

speed this game up! get after it! stop penetration…

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Cavs are shooting 63.9% and we’re only down 5. Tighten up on D and we’ll be there.

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keep the Cavs off the glass… there offensive rebs. = points

easy tip in’s we if our big are out on the perimeter teammates have to pick up the slack on the glass… you can’t run until the rebound is secured…

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Everybody knows we need to run more, especially with Shaq and Big Z on the court at the same time. Bibby hasn’t given us much tonight, and Teague is a speedster, get to the rim type of guy. Common Sense should tell Coach Potato Head to get the guy in the game.

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Wow already started bad

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woody left josh out to long,jj starts ball hogging taking us out of all ball movement,woody puts horrible combinations out there. he is such an a-hole

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lets get it…!!!

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Damn bibby make a shot

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thats a damn shame… you should not get a look at the bucket from an inbound…

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WTF WHERES THE DEFENSE

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Nothing from bibby. Will we see Teague?

And Josh needs to make his free throws.

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Josh still needs to work on his fundamentals

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Horford is battling, I love this kid

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Everytime we get close something happens

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Marvin has good on-ball defense

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Good D Marvin, b.s. Lebron call…

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He barely touched him

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Marvin player of the game so far. Out playing Labron. lol Who is stopping williams?

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Horrible.

Cannot give up second chance opportunities. Especially back to back ones.

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Why do the Hawks (especially ZaZa) give up so many And Ones? Foul them hard guys. Especially LeBron. Make him earn it at the line

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i dont know why we dont do that more… make Z guard Al on the perimeter…

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Take it however we get it.

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how is Crawford ending up on Lebron..?

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Jamal is killin em

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Without Jamal the Cavs would be up 15-20 by now

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come alive Z… there you go!!!

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Good stuff Zaza!!!!

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Maybe Hawks can get a break now.

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clearly Wabe… and it took Woodson 2 possessions to see it led to buckets…

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Would’ve liked to see them attack the basket on that last possession.

But can’t complain. Hawks are right there. Gotta continue to play good defense and be aggressive on offense.

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Why can’t we get easy shots

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Damn can we hit a shot

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foolish.. Lebron on the bench and we cant make a move…

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thats his move… c’mon… thats his move…

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Oh Lebron can travel tho

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Some very carless plays by the Hawks in transition….

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WHy the heck didn’t Evans just try to high percentage shot instead of trying to dunk backwards!!! What an Idiot!!!
Wasted Chance!

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Josh didnt go after the loose ball, he waited for it to roll to him….

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See everybody this is what happens when you don’t have an offense.

Where are all the Woody defenders now.

When you need a bucket the coach can’t draw up a play

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Oh now he’s givin em pts

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Man pathetic.

Common now. Get that composure together. We just gave em’ 3 freebies and they got ball…

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Dumb tech by Woody.

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Game over that fast. Another Meltdown

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horrible…

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over the back…

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Hawks wonder why no one takes them seriously

1st the Magic embarrin them now the Cavs

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The Hawks DEF is holding up…
But that offense needs to turn it up.

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What the $&%^ just happened? global meltdown!!

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Exact copy of the Magic game

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This bullsh*t is too awful to watch. We should be up…especially with all of our all stars people on here say we have.

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What kinda offense is this?

Even nique is questioning em

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NBATV announcers are killing the Hawks offense play calling…

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This game is horrible.

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LOL @ BOB

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Bob is getting heated

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This team is horrible

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Is Joe trying to throw this game? He even missed the technical

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FIRE MIKE WOODSON…. BOB RATHBUN WOULD LIGHT A FIRE UNDER THESE B*TCHES!!!

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Wow!! this is unexplainable!!

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If anybody is wondering why Woodson has not been offered a ne contract this is why

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big dave I KNOW that was hard for you to type.

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I waiting for my boy Ken Strickland to post then I will give my account of this debacle.

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This is what happens when you rely on bums like Marvin Williams and Josh Smith are key players…..and when you think Joe Johnson is a superstar

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only thing that can salvage this one is a win for us tomorrow…

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Why would someone pay to watch this team

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Just heard Lebron yell that it’s only their 3rd team foul…

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Bone Woody is not the so called leader on the court that had back to back passes stolen. JJ you need to prove your worth, I was always a huge fan but it seems like you maxed out your potential on this team sadly

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Last 3 possessions, we’ve attacked the hoop…

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big Z said kill that shyt… lol.

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So as horribly as the other guys have been, still no time for Teague? Not even to see if he can provide a spark?

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game over..why call a timeout now??
we were on NBA TV tonite,and we didn’t give a good showing at all..
someone posted on here earlier that the elite teams could play their worst and they would win,and that we’re not elite but good and had to play our best on top of our best..

and they were right

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Bibby can play like sh_t and Teague still can’t see floortime.

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Joe and AL 40+ mins on the 1st game of back to back… Just crazy.

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I’ll ask one more time:

WHERE ARE ALL THE WOODY SUPPORTERS

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WOODY = COY? ———————> EPIC FAIL

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Guy on NBATV is bashing the Hawks heads.

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The only thing bibby does better than teague at this point is shoot. Besides that he does nothin

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Wabe what is he saying

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give me a bonifide scorer please…. joe doesnt live for the big moment…bibby should assume the roll of speedy claxton after he misses his first 2 jumpers

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TOO MUCH WOODY BALL. Our halfcourt OFF is a joke when it comes to playing good DEF teams. If we’re not getting pts from running or hitting jumpshots, we have no options built into our OFF to fall back on. How can a HC just stand on the sidelines with his arms folded and allow JJ to go ISO and one on one against double/triple teams, while committing multiple turnovers, and allow it to continue happening?

JJ took over the OFF and shut Marvin, Horford, Crawford and Smoove out. He wouldn’t pass out of the constant double teams, and it’s obvious Woodson didn’t say or do a damn thing about it. A good overall team effort, especially on DEF, was simply wasted because JJ and Woodson prevented the team from continuing to play team basketball.

HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE JJ AND WOODSON TO REALIZE THIS ISO AND ONE ON ONE WOODY BALL B.S. HASN’T WORKED AND ISN’T GOING TO WORK?

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trade joe for mcgrady all i can think about

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Man Sund is sooooo smart for not giving woody a contrct. He sees that Woody is not a good coach.

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WHERE LITTLE RAY AT? His account of this game should be interesting.

And anyone thinking Marvin was a better pick than CP or Deron Williams must be working for the Hawks. The guy looks lost on the floor right now.

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“HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE JJ AND WOODSON TO REALIZE THIS ISO AND ONE ON ONE WOODY BALL B.S. HASN’T WORKED AND ISN’T GOING TO WORK?”

-Ken Strickland

FIRE WOODY

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The Hawks aren’t gonna look for any trades. I seriously doubt they’ll risk tampering with the team chemistry.

Personally, the Hawks played the Cavs tough tonite. Just missed opportunities. We had numerous chances to jump out and take control of this game, but couldn’t get over the hump.

The 4th quarter was just a pathetic offensive display. Too much one on one, not enough aggressiveness. The Cavs had about 3 team fouls heading into the 3 or 4 minutes stretch. We didn’t attack. That jumper in the quarter that Smoove attempted really just speaks for what we were doing in that 4th quarter.

Chris Webber on NBATV commented on the difference amongst tactics. Going into the playoffs, the Hawks are gonna get into plenty of these grind it out style of games, and they can’t expect their #1 guy (JJ) to go one on one to get buckets.

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Once again no adjustments. This is why Sund did not give Woodson another contract. Like O’Brien said, this is the type of games we will see come playoff time and once again Ol Woodrow showed that he cant make adjustments to save his life. Once Cleveland adjusted their defense in the second quarter I knew the game was over. We never have a plan B. I mean never. Once plan A fails then we might as well pack it up and go home because Woodrow cant draw anything else up in the huddle. Sure after the game he will say all the right things about what we should have done but during the game he cant. We went from attacking the rim to setting for jumpers. The sad thing is I doubt we see anything different in the game tomorrow night. Can we please get a bigger sf to come off the bench?. Mo is way too small. Bibby gave us nothing but ol Woodrow once again just refused to give the rookie any burn to see if he could give us a spark. And we still have no offensive sets other than ISO ISO ISO

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This Hawks team reminds me of the Sacramento teams when Bibby was there. They were entertaining and won a lot of games but they just couldn’t take that leap to become an elite team to challenge for a championship.

I hate to say it but in another two years we might have to rebuild because JJ is gone and all our veterans are gonna fall apart.

FIRE WOODY

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i think our point guard play was horrible other then crawford but nobody else stepped up

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We have two problems when we play Cleveland.
1. We are undersized (but we did play them well enough to win).
2. We can’t hide Bibby on defense against this team. He can’t guard D.West or Mo Williams. Forger about Parker b/c D.West is the finisher for them…

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Bibby played long enough to go 1-7 – how much Bibby do you want. JJ went cold – would not pass the ball and we quit going to our bigs till it was to little to late. The bench played like crap except for Jamal.

When Josh went to the bench we went from 8 up to 4 behind. Without Josh we just jack up jumpers. Where were the touches for Al – the most efficient player on our team.

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Well you guys cant blame this on marvin williams

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Woody:
He did exactly what he always does and his defensive line-up couldn’t score in the fourth. I don’t think his substitutions where bad and the late tech wasn’t terrible. Overall, I don’t think he lost the game. He clearly saw the problem in the 4th, but probably took to long to bring Bibby back. But it might not have worked anyways.

GO HAWKS!!!

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constant pick and rolls should be the hawks offense…. for crying ot loud set a legitimate screen for once in yur damn life…za za is the only person who sets legit screen…please stop with the 1 on 1 ball

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send me one 2…. we need avery johnson dmmit

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Ugly 4th. We played 36 when we needed to play 48. Hold your heads up guys, tomorrow night’s rematch is just around the corner. And then comes an absolutely brutal January.

Let’s go get ‘em Hawks!

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Jamal Crawford is not a pg people… say what you want about Bibby’s shooting tonight but he manages this mess of an offense. the series of sloppy play in the 4th when it was like 6 consecutive turnovers on both ends, we finally call a time out and we come out with the same unit that just ran up and down. pff… get your starting PG in the game and run something; and its not like we loss this game with the ball in Joe’s hands. we lost composure on the court, went into panic mode. our guards need to learn to pump fake with defenders running at them. bigs need to give the ball to guards on the break and run the floor. sick of this offense. we were exposed tonight. when we get a legit scheme we can talk about contending. hats off to Marvin. a win tomorrow makes for a good rivalry cause those Cavs were talking much shyt. tired or not, we should be pissed.

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kwooden1,

One reason guys are out of position is because of our switching defense.

I look forward to seeing what adjustments Woody makes for the game tomorrow, because its all about adjustments. Cleveland adjusted in the second quarter, and the Hawks didnt.

Where are the Woody supporters who were saying that Woody should feel disrespected because he hasnt been offered an extension as yet? Sund is waiting until after the playoffs to decide. And thats the correct move.

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DO ALL OF YOU REMEMBER WHEN I MENTIONED IN AN EARLIER POST THAT YOU SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO OUR PG PLAY?

Did all of you Bibby supporters see the advantages of having PG’s that can post up, penetrate, create inside scoring opportunities, attack the basket and/or get the opposing Bigs in foul trouble? Did you also notice the disadvantage of having a slow, nonpenetrating, one dimensional jumpshooting PG who’s not hitting his jumper? I won’t mention the tremendous advantage of having one that actually plays DEF.

All of those intangibles you Bibby supporters are so fond of emphasizing didn’t do Bibby or the team any good when it came down to it. I find it hard to believe Teague could have done any worse. At least Teague has the talent and potential to get better if given the opportunity, especially against top competition, but Bibby won’t.

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A lack of offensive sets is one thing, but they’re meaningless when you don’t have the personnel to get easy baskets in the half court set. And again, the size differential played a big part in this game on both ends as it allowed the Cavs a greater margin of error. The Hawks can get up and down the floor with the best of them, but the next step is becoming a better half court team on both ends and they’ll have to get the personnel to do it.

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True@Jody

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JUST GOT BACK FROM THE GAME….

FIRST AND FOREMOST..HATS OFF TO MARVIN WILLIAMS..WHAT HE DID MAY NOT SHOW UP IN THE STAT SHEET, BUT THIS DUDE PLAYED ONE OF THE BEST DEFENSIVE GAMES AGAINST LEBROM THAT I’VE SAW ANYBODY PLAY..NICE WORK MARVIN..AND FOR THOSE WHO WILL SOMEONE GO ALONG WITH THEIR MARVIN RANTS..GO HEAD BECAUSE IT WILL FALL ON DEAF EARS.

FOR ANYBODY THAT SAY AL CAN’T HOLD HIS ON AS A CENTER CAN IT. MATTER OF FACT..I GOTTA GIVE A CUDOS TO THE FRONTLINE AS A WHOLE..AL, JOSH( DUDE STAY OUTTA FOUL TROUBLE), MARVIN, ZAZA.

NOW FOR THE BACKCOURT…JOE (DUDE ARE YOU REALLY PLAYING FOR A BIG TIME CONTRACT?), JAMAL, MO EVANS. ALL IM GOING TO SAY IS THAT PERFORMANCE IN THE FOURTH QUARTER WAS DISHEARTENING. C’MON FELLAS…FIRST ORLANDO, NOW THIS…I CANT LIE I’M DISSAPOINTED AS HELL.

COACH WOODSON…MIKE BIBBY NEEDED TO PLAY THE WHOLE FOURTH QUARTER..FOR THOSE THAT CAN’T UNDERSTAND BIBBY’S VALUE..THERE YOU HAVE IT.

SHOUTS TO THE FANS…WE TRIED TO HOLD ON TO THE END…BUT MAN!!

NOW, THERE IS NOTHING I SAW THAT TELLS ME THE HAWKS CAN’T BEAT CLEVELAND TOMORROW IF THEY COME TO PLAY (JOE, JAMAL, MO EVANS).

THIS IS DISSAPOINTING, BUT IT CAN ALL BE MADE RIGHT TOMORROW.

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Im going to half to agree with you ken strick. Bibby sucked tonight he missed several open jumpers then why have him in. Put in teague and lets see.

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CLYDE-in all honesty, Woodson has improved overall as a HC, but certainly not enough in the areas of effectively employing strategy, making timely changes and adjustments, consistency, developing young PG’s or an effective halfcourt OFF. Man, I’d give almost anything to see how good this team could be with someone in charge with more overall coaching skills and fewer hangups.

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What a HORRENDOUS game for Joe Johnson. Why the hell is this guy having the ball on every possession? He did NOTHING against this defense in the 4th quarter. Why the HELL is Jamal not taking every shot/having plays run for him in the 4th?

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Rufus1,

I totally agree about Marvin. But you know haters gonna hate. I’ve come to believe that its only one or two posters that create duplicate screen-names that does all the Marvin bashing though.

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Quit bashing Woody. Its that time of the year where he tries to get JJ an All-Star bid. AT ALL COSTS!

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Idiot,

Naw duke…you obviously didn’t watch the game because…

…HOLDUP…your screen-name is idiot…nevermind that explains your comment.

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Jody, Truth There’s nothing we can do about the size difference right now, we have to live with what we got. Our low post game consists of Smoove’s lefty jump hook and Horfords 10-15ft jumpshot. That’s probably enough to get us to the 2nd round and not any further, as you have already stated. So what we’re going to have to do is run a constant pick and roll, motion offensive and JJ, Bibby, Marvin and JC will have to hit their jumpshots. We haven’t seen them execute that type of offensive for a complete game against a very good team. If they can learn that and execute it late in games, I think they can beat Cleveland, Boston, Orlando even the Lakers in the 7 games series. It sounds like crazy talk, but executing that type of offensive consistently against quality defensive teams is near impossible, so I’m really not that crazy. Just a FAN!

GO HAWKS!!!

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Ken Strickland

December 29th, 2009
10:00 pm
IF YOU’RE NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION, YOU’RE PART OF THE PROBLEM. What does that mean? It means if HC MWoodson does absolutely nothing to stop what we’ve all seen JJ do time and time again, to the overall detriment of the team, then he’s the major part of the problem.

I agree with that. But you would think that JJ, Jamal and Bibby have the experience and brains to ride the big’s. Time for a new guard that will pass the ball low and play some D. We don’t have one of those.

By the way – who guards Williams and West. The big’s? Most of our losses come with our guards getting torched. I don’t think it is possible to coach defense with these guards. When we are guarding big’s like Cleveland has you can’t expect Josh, Al and ZaZa to pick up the guards also. Josh does a credible job but that is only because of his unique talent. When he gets into foul trouble we are very vulnerable.

Why did JJ quit driving and passing. Seems like when quits attacking in the flow of the offense our entire team goes to crap. I don’t think Woody told him to quit driving. Just another loss because of bad balance and poor ball rotation. The reason I do not put all this on Woody is because we have played great ball many times this season and last with good ball rotation and much better balance.

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JeJe,

All I’ma say is whatever bruh. I kinda expect that comment from you.

***Kanye West at the VMA’s shrug***

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bigdave I hope noone is talking about starting teague I wasnt. But he should play.

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KevinA

when Jamal got hot.. the ball was taken out of Joe’s hands…

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ROD FROM CP/SAMUEL-did you see that DEF gem Marvin put on Lebron? THAT’S WHY WE SAY HE’S ONE OF OUR TOP MAN TO MAN DEFENDERS. Lebron was unsuccessful whenever he tried to drive by him or post him up. He finally started passing the ball when Marvin was on him and attacked the basket only whenever Marvin was forced to switch off. Imagine how much worse this loss would have been without his shutdown DEF.

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tomorrow josh will be in foul trouble again you guys know clev is going to get all the calls

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Give me a break on Marvin’s defense. He is not a “great” defender. LeBron wasn’t even trying to score 90% of the time. He forced 2 shots in the 4th. Besides that, he was looking for teammates (10 assists). He knows he can go off on our team any time he wants. He had 6″5 skinny Jamal Crawford on him for 10 minutes for crying out loud.

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Well all I’m going to say is there is no way I’m going to continue to spend money on $115+ seats just to continue to get disapointed.

Heh, I guess I’ll just start watching games on the tube like the rest of you bums.

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Truth, they’ll learn see when (if) we get better personnel. They’ll see the difference. It’s like talking to brick walls until then.

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tomorrow dont let delonte west do anything. tomorrow shaq could have 30 but dont let west go off on us talking stuff

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I predict that Josh Smith has huge numbers tomorrow and we lose a close one

AND CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY WOODSON PULLS PLAYERS IN FOUL TROUBLE OR CLOSE TO FOUL TROUBLE? PLAYERS IN FOUL TROUBLE RARELY FOUL OUT.
STOP BEING A WIMP AND LEAVE HIM IN THERE

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that is why bibby has to step up his game or bring in teague Rob

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EXACTLY, Rod from CP.

We need Antwawn Jamison or Josh Howard at the 3 — players who put the ball in the basket. Marvin was actually trying to take LBJ off the dribble — LOL.

And is that true about the Cavs partying hard at 3 AM? Like I said, LBJ can drop 60 on us without even blinking.We have no chance of stopping this guy. Then they have Mo who owns us, and Ilgauskas and Delonte are ALWAYS left open. We have no shot tomorrow

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lets face facts woody is a lousy coach offensively (ISO JOE offense ) & switching defense,no feel on how to use his bench,no feel on anything,he generates so much tension
that this team plays scared against the good teams our bench is weak,mo,zazza,joe smith & the rest are just taking up space. you cant throw them all out there together,you need to rotate them,you cant let jj dribbling & trying to take over the game & stopping all ball movement,he plays so much better when he is not trying to create. we need to trade him for a decent big man.jc is a better ball handler, a better creator & a better shooter. why dont we set up more plays for him to get more open shots when he is hot. we need to get teague more involved when bibby is not making his shots . what does woody bring to the table can anyone tell me,has he helped marvin develope besides giving him a lot of minutes

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I can’t believe that travel was called on Crawford. he’s done that shake-n-bake move a million times, and it was such a minute travel. There are hundreds of travels you can call during the game. Anyway, we blew so many layups and dunks. Watching Bibby go up for a dunk is like watching ZaZa try his Jordaesque moves

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The frustrating thing about Woody and the Hawks, is when they lose, you can usually blame it on the same reasons.

Too many ISO’s and one on ones, no offensive sets, ignoring the bench, and not defending the paint.

Its like deja vu all over again. Anyways, we are 1-2 against the big 3 of the East so far. It will be interesting to see how we play tomottow.

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Cavs stop Hawks in fourth quarter of 95-84 win

By CHARLES ODUM
Posted Dec 29 2009 9:54PM
ATLANTA(AP) The Cleveland Cavaliers held Atlanta scoreless for almost nine minutes to open the fourth quarter and scored the first 10 points of the period to break open a close game and beat the Hawks 95-84 on Tuesday night.

Mo Williams had 20 points to lead the Cavaliers, who won in their return to Philips Arena since completing a dominant four-game sweep of the Hawks in the second round of last season’s playoffs.

Delonte West had 17 points and Zydrunas Ilgauskas added 15 off Cleveland’s bench. LeBron James had 14 points, 10 assists and five steals but made only 6 of 20 shots from the field.

The Hawks were outscored 20-10 in the fourth quarter.

The Cavaliers led 75-74 entering the final period and stretched the lead to 85-74 before Josh Smith finally ended the Hawks’ drought that lasted 8:48 by scoring with 3:12 remaining. The Hawks were 0 for 10 from the field in the period before the basket.

Frustrations grew on the Atlanta bench during the long scoreless streak. Hawks coach Mike Woodson was called for a technical foul by official Leroy Richardson after complaining about a foul call against Smith with 7:55 remaining in the game.

With 4:40 remaining, Woodson looked to the scorer’s table and asked, “Have we scored this period?” He smiled sadly when his fears were confirmed.

The Hawks’ agony continued as Joe Johnson, who scored 15 points, missed a free throw. Jamal Crawford, who led Atlanta with 26 points, then missed two free throws with 4:08 remaining.

Crawford scored 17 of the Hawks’ 25 points in the second period, including his third 3-pointer of the period only 2 seconds before halftime. But the Cavaliers beat the Hawks on another fast-break basket, with James scoring at the buzzer on a pass from Jamario Moon.
The basket gave James only seven points in the half.

Smith drew his second foul with 1:24 remaining in the opening period and played only 3 minutes in the second period. He had 15 points and eight rebounds.

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If Woodson were actually the coach next yr.
What would he say about Teager?
Woodson – next yr:
“Well, I’d play ‘im if he had some experience.”

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JeJe ,

I agree. Collins should have played, even if we had to make him put his cheeseburger down, lol!

By the way, you get best post for the night on this:

Can someone on this team please commit a hard foul? If the game is virtually over and Delonte is talking trash, make him hit the floor.
Stop helping guys up after fouls — show a damn backbone for once

Damn straight, man. I’m sick of Delonte as it is. I’d put Collins or somebody in JUST for that reason. Next time he drives to the basket on a backdoor cut, lay his ass out. Hell, I bet Othello Hunter would do it….just for a little playing time….

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Woodson on Teague: (Nov., 2010)
Unfortunately, we were not able to get him any meaningful minutes last season, the opportunity just never did present itself……………..

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The problem with Ilgauskas is he gets offensive rebounds without even jumping. Dude is 7′3″ with long-ass arms, and he weighs about 280. That, and he’s got a good outside jumper, so when you lay off of him, he strokes a 20-footer on you. Drives me crazy. Thing is, he only got 5 rebounds against us, but 3 of them were on the offensive glass.

And guess what? He scored on every one of them. Dammit.

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Big Ray:
What about a hard foul or any foul on LBJ wi. 2 sec. before the half.

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you guys are sayin some of the same things I have already said other have said some of the same comments as well but thats fine it is a blog. I think some of you just like to hear it come out your own mouth

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Now I KNOW that was not the real Rod answering me like that. Sounds like somebody is getting bored. Of course, that happens when you crave attention and people start ignoring you…..

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I agree with the posts about Philips Arena’s atmosphere. People always say it’s full and there’s no energy, because it’s true.

The Philips Arenas crowds have always been a joke. People just go for the social experiences. People clap when LeBron does his pregame powder BS, instead of BOO’ING. Watch the Portland Crowd, or Utah, or LAL, or Boston, or Cleveland, if you want to see hostility

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Funny that LBJ and Delonte would be partying that hard. They must know it’s a joke playing in The Library, formerly known as Philips Arena. Remember in May when LBJ threw a party after game 4? Ugh

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A. Horford C 40:05 3-7 0-0 3-4 -1 2 7 9 2 1 2 4 1 0 9

Z. Ilgauskas 19:44 6-8 1-2 2-2 +4 3 2 5 0 4 0 0 0 1 15

S. O’Neal C 25:38 5-7 0-0 0-0 +4 2 6 8 0 2 0 1 0 1 10

All that tells me is that it takes two guys over 7 feet and 280 lbs each to outdo a 6′9″/6′10″ power forward…..Yep…..

The game is won in the post…yet the two big ol’ 7 footers could only come up with 25 points…absolute total domination…lol…

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Big Ray, it wasn’t just those 2.

We COULD NOT hold onto loose balls, and Varejao was a pain in the @$$ too. Cleveland has all the players who are hated outside of Cleveland but loved in Cleveland: Varejao, Delonte, Mo, LeBron, probably Ilgauskas

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JeJe ,

True. We did have issues with loose balls. Part of that is Zaza, who had his hands on SO many loose ball plays. His problem is that he doesn’t hold the ball high when he gets it. He holds it low, and it inevitably gets poked away. Marvin was bad about it too on a couple of instances. Even Horford kicked the ball away or something on occasion. It happened way too often, and the Cavs capitalized.

It’s crazy, because they actually had more turnovers than we did. We just didn’t hang onto the ball, like you said.

I can’t stand Varejao. But you better believe I’d love to have someone like him on this team. Either we don’t have that guy, or we aren’t playing him. I could see Othello Hunter being that kind of guy, but he sits the pine.

I miss Chills sometimes. He was always around loose balls, and you never had to run a play for him. Yet he got his 11 and 5 or 11 and 6, no matter what, and didn’t turn the ball over. Ugly ass shot, but he was hitting 50-something percent from the field.

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We need Bibby to score, because his defense sucks, and the Hawks dont really have an offense for him to run. We need him to step his game up when we go against Rajon Rondo, Jemeer Nelson, and Mo Williams.

Rod,

Stephen Jackson would definitely add another dimension to the team, but I really dont think Woody would know what to do with him. All Jackson’s points would probably come on ISO’s and one on ones. And the rest of the team would stand around. (One reason why Woody likes Marvin is because Marvin doesnt take any shots away from JJ, who is Woody’s favorite player).

I agree that points in the paint are an issue for the Hawks when they play the elite teams. However, if we had any kind of consistent offense that got our players some easy looks, and kept our bigs involved, we would be able to overcome our lack of size against these teams.

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I think finishing with a top 3 seed in the East will be an impossibility after tomorrow (today)’s likely loss. We, as someone pointed out earlier, have to play OUR BEST BALL to beat teams like Boston, Orlando, and Cleveland. That Boston win earlier this year was pretty much perfect basketball. We have no offensive sets, we don’t expose matchups (CRAWFORD), and Woodson refuses to call out Joe when Joe inevitably sucks

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JeJe,

I think the Hawks matchup best with the Celtics. (Although one reason the Hawks beat Boston in Boston early in the season is because Boston went 1-15 from 3 (although the Hawks were only 4-15 themselves)).

This game was similar to the Orlando game. We look good the first half, but come the second half, our offense struggled mightily. And when plan A fails on offense, plan B is to try harder at plan A.

If we lose tomorrow, I am sure a lot of fans will be jumping off the bandwagon. But lets keep it in perspective. The Hawks will win 50+ games, and probably end up as the #4 seed. The second round of the playoffs will tell us how much Woody is really worth…

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Good points, K.Strickland. Why the hell did we sign Collins if he’s NOT GOING to play?

What a “waste of money” for our ASG. The penny pinching idiots wasted the vet min on someone who wont even get off the bench

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As I said in the previous entry from the other day . Crawford is a bonafide Cav killer IF Woody allows him to do it .

Why is it that the hottest man on the team for that game cant get the ball and has to work so hard to get his points as if he has to fight his own tam and coach for a shot .

If Joe is not feeling it why not have Joe bring it the ball up and feed Crawford we all know Joe can play some point. Imagine how Crawford feels that no matter how many shots he makes in a row that his own team wont even look for him and his own coach wont even call a set play for him .

Crawford cannot carry us everynight but when he does have it going we have to know when and how to get him the ball just as we would Joe .Josh,Mike or Al .

If Im out there Im thinking my shot is not falling but jamal is having his way with them so Im gonna drive and dish and try and set him up for some open looks . Instead the entire team decides to shoot themselves out of their funks .

If Odom or Gasol gets hot they get the ball

When Mo Williams was making those shots the Cavs didnt formulate a way to get the ball out of his hands

When that Ryan Anderson was making shots like crazy against us they didnt say hmmm youve reached your shot limit Ryan in the first half .

After Crawford went around them in the first half and started making shots did anyone see how they started doubling him way out top on the pick and roll we should certainly have play where we can use that to our advantage seeing as it makes it 4 on 3 .

I just dont get it …

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When it comes to Ole Woodrow, thanks SUND for not jumping the GUN. lol!!

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Woody’s unwillingness to expose matchups and to just pound the ball to Joe should get him fired. That is NOT how you beat elite teams.

As we stand, we have no shot of beating the big 3 in a Series and probably the top 3 teams in the West we couldn’t beat either. We really need to trade Marvin for a small forward with scoring ability like Jamison. The ONLY improvement over last year is we will finish with more wins but still lose in the 2nd round. Is this really the goal of this franchise?

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Fans, you might aswell be happy with just beating middle of the pack or bottom feeders because that’s all the Hawks are ever going to do.

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i have this new thing any time josh smith or hortford shoot a jump shot i turn the channel to prevent my self from punching something does woodson have any control of the team……id tell josh u take anothe rshot from 19 feet or further u sit the rest of the game

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For three quarters the Hawks looked good. End of story. Joe was hot in the first quarter and coach dumbass takes him out and Joe never got it back. I think coach Woody has been watching too many Tech games and is catching the Paul Blewit virus.

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Joe has no heart. He is not a number 1, especially not against the elite teams. Josh at least plays with a lot of heart and I like that. Let Joe go and perhaps try to sign Bosh or a real center so we can put Horford at PF, Josh at SF and a center. Crawford is good against mediocre defenders as well, just like joe. Also let woodson go too since he has no half court offense that he teaches, and the defense is not great either. A couple of times last night I saw bibby on lebron? really?

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It amazes me. The Hawks are a top 5 offensive team & 1 of the top 15 defensive teams and this loss is blamed on the coach. The Hawks have one of the top 5 records in the NBA, and we are complaining about a Cle loss that was high contested. The difference in the game was hustle. The Cavs simply out hustled the Hawks. Period that’s the difference down the stretch. They wanted it more. The Hawks got out worked in the 4th.

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Of course its the coaches fault. The Hawks are not contenders but pretenders….period. The hawks should have wanted it more and they didnt. Even if they did they wasnt going to get it because they couldnt hit their shots or defend the rim. The offense was horrible to watch and an embarrassment to the NBA world that was watching. I can hear them now saying “I told ya so” , “The Hawks ain’t for real” “I told ya so”!!

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The problem with Woody is adjustment. What did he do to change things, things that clearly weren’t working? Everybody knows the answer.

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BIG RAY-the move by Woodson exposes a lot more than his lack of gm awareness. It exposes the fact he has absolutely no trust in, or communication with, or respect for his assistants. Wouldn’t it have been just as easy and simple for him to ask one of them? I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. THE HAWKS USUALLY WIN IN SPITE OF WOODSON, NOT BECAUSE OF HIM.

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be it that our coaching style is more reactive… when struggling, our in game adjustments and counters are usually sub par. it seems when never make that tactical move to get us over the top or to even hold serve for that matter…

i think tonight’s game will tell us more about our team than last night. as a unit, coaches and players. how resilient are we? do we punch back? our hawks looked as if they were under pressure. we were pressing last night, but this team is older, and should have performed better. even with not as favorable chances of winning it would have been to our advantage to have played the 1st game in Cleveland.

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im waiting on Woodson to out coach somebody… we can’t win against better schemes with just talent alone. when we show the ability to successfully modify a game plan we can compete with the triumvirate… those coaching staffs have illustrated such.

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After having a chance to sleep on the loss, I’m remembering that Cleveland is easily the hottest team in the league right now, having beaten Boston, Phoenix and the Lakers on the road within about a week. Why did we expect the Hawks to be any different? Today is Lebron’s birhday, and they just said on ESPN that he always loses on his birthday. Let’s see what happens tohinght.

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Woodson needs to stop protecting joe and call him out. Jj is not a superstar$ if jcraw had actually shot early in the 4th yesterday we woulda won. Why do we always ignore this guy on offense when he’s hot? He had 26 f’ing points for crying out loud.
Why do we even have a bench? If our moron coach is only gonna use a 7.5 man rotation when games are close why not just find 7 players and pay the bank to them and round out the roster with nbdl’ers? Woodson seriously needs to be fired if this not using the bench in close games garbage persists. When does avery’s ctrct with dallas expire? Get him next year. Get a coach who calls out players. Get a coach who will send players out to commit hard fouls. Ilgauskas will have 20 tonight and cavs will be lights out from 3pt rangé

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Can anyone on here honestly with a straight face say we are contenders? We are not gonna win with bibby doing nothing on offense. We have to be on fire to beat elite teams. We haven’t had one offgame in the last 6yrs where we beat an elite team.we are the exact same team as last year with a better 6th man. We will win 52 games but get destroyed in the 2nd round regardless. This bs about “young guys growing together…another year together” is garbage. Marv has reached his ceiling and horf and smoove rnt gonna get that much better. On top of that, our superstar joe johnson had the same # of pts in the 2nd round last year as delonte on 20 more shots. LOL!! Let joe get his 20m from new jersey. How can someone like d.wade watch last night’s game and not think he’d be that missing piece to get us that ring? I’m so sick and tired of joe’s bs. Horford is much more deserving to be an allstar than joe. Get rid of marvin joe and woody this offseason.

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offensive foul by Shaq… not called, then offensive foul on JJ… interesting isn’t it?

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what a joke! foul on Collins!!!

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