On to Indiana
Greetings, all-
Hope those of you who celebrated had a joyful Christmas. I spent mine with my family, including my two nephews who are in that Lego-toy car phase, so it was a lot of fun watching them enjoy their presents.
Anyway, onto the Pacers. I am at home and not with the team, so don’t have a lot to offer. I’ll say this. This is the last respite the Hawks get for awhile. Starting with the home-and-home with Cleveland, the Hawks play 11 of their next 17 against teams over .500. Seven are away, and seven are against Boston-Cleveland-Orlando. And of those “Big Three” seven, all of them are back-to-backs. It’s some pretty tough sledding. Against Indiana, the Hawks had best gather their rosebuds while they may, as it were. (Hopefully I understood the poem correctly. I was an economics major, not English.)
One interesting thing from the article I wrote for Saturday’s paper, talking to Joe Johnson, Dominique Wilkins, Steve Holman and Peachtree Hoops blogger Drew Ditzel about the season, looking back and ahead – what stuck out to me was that the predictions for wins were between 50 and 55. That means that the expectation is that the Hawks will fall off their current .714 pace. Right now, they’re on pace for 58-59 wins. But to go, say, 53-29, that means the Hawks would have to go 33-21 the rest of the way, which is .611 ball. Not bad at all, obviously, but not as good as they’ve done so far.
Looking at the next stretch, you’d have to think if they get through the next 17 anywhere above .500, it would be a success. Interesting link about Hawks’ schedule thus far. According to the formulas, the Hawks ought to be 22-6.
So, Indiana. The Pacers are without Danny Granger (torn plantar fascia) and have lost four in a row. Like I said the other day, I think the Hawks win this one, though it may be tougher than you might otherwise expect. (Standard proviso: I am wrong a lot on a variety of things.)
Anyway, something to consider watching Hawks-Pacers. Indiana has “lost seven games in which they led or were tied in the fourth quarter, including each of the past three,” according to an article by Indianapolis Star Pacers writer Mike Wells. That includes losses to Boston Dec. 22, when the Pacers led by 15 at halftime, Orlando, San Antonio and Portland.
This is off the topic, but I asked Steve Holman, the Hawks’ radio guy, to name his all-decade team. It’ll be in the Sunday paper. In checking out the story, I came upon something I’d completely forgotten about. The Hawks drafted Pau Gasol in 2001 as part of a trade to get Shareef Abdur-Rahim. Our own Mark Bradley was, praising then-GM Pete Babcock, saying that, through the trade and other moves, “he has remade a roster that ranked with the league’s worst, turning into an assemblage – might as well say it – of playoff caliber.” I’m going to have to guess Mark was not alone in his opinion.
Follow me here, though. The Hawks also got Vancouver’s first-round pick in that trade, which they traded to Indiana (used on Jamaal Tinsley) for a future first-round pick. Two years later, the Hawks used the Pacers’ pick to get Boris Diaw. And, as you know, Diaw and two first-rounders later went to Phoenix for Joe Johnson. So, maybe it wasn’t all so bad. (Though, you are free to point out, I’m going to guess the trade didn’t exactly hinge on Boris Diaw being a part of the deal.) (Sorry to ramble. I often find the long-term effects of trades kind of interesting.)
Happy Saturday and Hawks watching.
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Rod from College Park
December 28th, 2009
4:12 pm
Astro Joe,
I would actually say that he is the 6th option behind Joe, Crawford, Josh, Horford, and Bibby. All of those guys are much better scoring options than Marvin no matter what the numbers say. His new salary does not support him being our 6th scoring option.
ILL-logical
December 28th, 2009
4:14 pm
“Eight teams (Philly, Sacramento, Charlotte, Memphis, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Indiana and Atlanta) already reside in the dreaded “We Make Less Than $500,000 Per Game” Club, and that number could swell once noncontenders either gut their teams or start tanking for lottery purposes.”
Well , there it is: no revenue means no Joe. BTW, tell me again what the Hawks’ marketing deparment does exactly?
Rod from College Park
December 28th, 2009
4:15 pm
Astro Joe,
Mo Evans was not a #2 draft pick, is not paid 7.5 mill a year and was not expected to make that big leap this year. Marvin was. Mo Evans is also not considered to be a core member of this team. Marvin is.
ILL-logical
December 28th, 2009
4:15 pm
Eight teams (Philly, Sacramento, Charlotte, Memphis, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Indiana and Atlanta) already reside in the dreaded “We Make Less Than $500,000 Per Game” Club, and that number could swell once noncontenders either gut their teams or start tanking for lottery purposes.”
Well , there it is: no revenue means no Joe. BTW, tell me again what the Hawks’ marketing department does exactly?
MannyT
December 28th, 2009
5:02 pm
ILL-logical,
What you skipped over in your research is that the Hawks have the greatest increase in attendance over last year. Yes, we are behind, but the gate revenue is making significant progress compared to the recent past.
The Atlanta Hawks (15-6), long challenged in the attendance department but off to their best start in a decade, have seen a league-high 26.8 percent increase in net gate receipts – to $468,036 per game, up from $369,157 at this point last season. Atlanta is selling an average of 10,573 tickets per game, up from 7,900 at this point last season.
Reference http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/18850386
I am not defending the marketing department, but an extra $100k over 41 games, plus playoff money should not put us out of the running for JJ. ASSG put 4 yr/$60 mil on the table over the summer. That at least keeps them in the conversation.
A MAX offer for Joe isn’t much higher (in pro sports money) than the Hawks’ bid.
I’d suspect that JJ wants to keep his options open, but total compensation probably won’t be the dealmaker/breaker
BWAF
Astro Joe
December 28th, 2009
5:52 pm
Rod, I wasn’t making a case for Evans vs. Marvin, just saying that Mo has returned to his natural position as a 7-8th man on the bench. As I said, Marvin has regressed over the first 29 games (thus far). If memory serves me, Josh Smith didn;t appear to “deserve” his $11M/year contract during the first third of last year, either.
Rod from College Park
December 28th, 2009
7:00 pm
Astro Joe,
I disagree with your Josh statement. Even when he was taking dumb shots and shooting threes, he always brought it every night. He is not injury prone, and he always has been the most dominant defensive player on the floor. Josh deserves every dollar he gets from the Hawks, as does Joe. Just my opinion.
truly1
December 28th, 2009
7:09 pm
Simple answer JeJe you need more than 5 players to win a Game
truly1
December 28th, 2009
7:10 pm
crawford fits better on the second team
JeJe
December 28th, 2009
7:18 pm
I gotta agree with my boy Rod from the CP.
Marvin sucks. He is not a good Small Forward.
NO ONE ELSE IN THIS LEAGUE offered him a contract this past summer. NO ONE. There were no reports. NO ONE was going to sign a 12 ppg (or so) small forward who was injury prone for 7.5 mill (Marvin wanted more).
He was an AVERAGE basketball player. he is NOT a difference maker and is NOT a consistently good defender
JeJe
December 28th, 2009
7:21 pm
Marvin CANNOT post up smaller players.
One play that always sticks with me was the home game vs. the Rockets 2 years ago (in March 2008) when Marvin was posting up 6″2 Luther Head, 6 feet away from the hoop, lost the ball, and fell down. That is Marvin Williams. Uses his “athleticism” by getting owned by a 6″2 player
truly1
December 28th, 2009
7:28 pm
Who do you want that we can afford a SF that has length and size of marvin because defense is what we need at SF not points.
newkid
December 28th, 2009
7:29 pm
Rod from College Park, I respectfully disagree with those of you who pedal the nonsense that a proper evaluation of Marvin’s current contributions ought to start with the citing of his draft position 4+ years ago. Whether or not he’s contributing today has about as much to do with his slotting in that draft as the order of any of our births (in our respective families) when our contributions to society are measured. Whether he was taken 60th in the draft or 1st is completely immaterial and irrelevant in evaluating the extent to which he is (or isn’t) contributing to team success here 4+ years on. By your ‘logic’ players who are 2nd rounders or non-draftees should all be forever expected to contribute absolutely nothing to their sides. Yeah, right. Tell that to Agent Zero; tell that to Monta Ellis; tell that to Carlos Boozer; tell that to, well you get the idea don’t you?
The guy’s not carrying his weight, PERIOD; irrespective of his draft status. The draft ‘horse’ is long since dead; to what end need we stay out in the field beating it? You know what they say about people who trudge around fields and pastures looking for dead horses to beat, don’t you? There’s a new horse (called ‘current on the floor performance’) that justifiably requires our attention. You cats should c’mon in from the cold and help us beat hell out of the ‘live’ horse.
truly1
December 28th, 2009
7:29 pm
Who do you want that we can afford at SF that has length and size of marvin because defense is what we need at SF not points
JeJe
December 28th, 2009
7:33 pm
Wtf. Why does AJC eat up half my posts?
My post was about how Mark Cuban and Jerry Buss spend all the money in the world to get their teams far in the playoffs, whereas we never hear from our “ownersh!t” and they are cheap idiots. Any team trying to contend HAS TO GO INTO THE LUXURY TAX. You can’t survive with 7solid-paid players and a bunch of guys on minimum wage. The Lakers Big 5 is almost paid more than our entire roster, if they are not already.
In addition, our owners have no idea what RELATIONSHIP SELLING is. How are you gonna take a MONTH+ to sign Joe Smith to a VETERAN MINIMUM contract? What a freaking joke. No way FA’s want to be treated like rodents
idiots
truly1
December 28th, 2009
7:45 pm
yeah JeJe you are right about the ownership being cheap but some claim on this blog that marvin is making to much who do you want at sf playing for us? I just want to hear some name because I dont think many sfs would fit because they dont play defense at least the SFs that we can get.
Astro Joe
December 28th, 2009
8:07 pm
Rod, when Josh missed most of November, shot around 40% from the field and averaged 3 turnovers during his first few months as an $11M man, he certainly didn’t appear to be earning his contract. All I am saying is that if you define a players 5-year contract off of the first 6-8 weeks, then at least be consistent. And if “trying” is worth $11M, then Mario West should be earning $30M for some team, because NO ONE tried harder than Super Mario.
Marvin has had a disappointing season, but it doesn’t yet define him as a player (at least not to me).
Astro Joe
December 28th, 2009
8:30 pm
Did y’all know that the Hawks are 2-2 on the road against the top 4 teams in the West? Not bad. And somehow, I missed that we had become one of ESPN’s favorite teams this season. And we’re not just playing the role of the Washington Generals for other teams, several of our televised games, it appears that WE are the featured team. COOL!
Truth-Serum
December 28th, 2009
8:43 pm
JeJe I rarely see a post that get right down to the issue like your most recent one. Its up to the ownership to provide the necessary talent to take us over the hump. Yes, Buss and Cuban spend the Bucks. Dont forget Auerbach! In fact now Cleveland , Orlando and Boston all show they will spend.
Gate receipts? How long have we had a winning product? Since when have the owners made believers out of the fans? So us the money and we will pack the house. The old saying is “build it, they will come.”
Invest the money in top flight talent and they will come.
Manny T an excellent post. This increase is in a down economy and competing with the high point of football season.
So nice I had to post it twice!
The Atlanta Hawks (15-6), long challenged in the attendance department but off to their best start in a decade, have seen a league-high 26.8 percent increase in net gate receipts – to $468,036 per game, up from $369,157 at this point last season. Atlanta is selling an average of 10,573 tickets per game, up from 7,900 at this point last season.
Its nice to deal with the real culprits of upper management.
Truth-Serum
December 28th, 2009
8:44 pm
show us
Melvin
December 28th, 2009
9:26 pm
Doc,
I’m watching your boy Yi going to work against OKC (10-16, 26pts 6rebs, 2steals thru 3qtrs of work). As I sugguested to you a few months ago, don’t give up on him yet. I think he will be a late bloomer. You know, how people like to refer to Marvin… Heck, let’s swap Yi for Marvin right now…LOL
O'Brien
December 28th, 2009
9:44 pm
MannyT,
I think a more realistic trade proposal for the Hawks is if the Nets get the #1 pick, they might be willing to trade Devin Harris (assuming they draft John Walls). If I’m not mistaken, Harris makes close to $9 mil per year, so maybe Bibby at $6 mil (and one less year on his deal) might be more attractive (not sure what else it would take).
Rumor has it that Vinny Del Negro will be fired once the Bulls figure out his replacement. Maybe Woody will be a candidate at the end of the year.
Miss Horford
December 28th, 2009
9:55 pm
Are we mature enough to lose Bibby & his leadership? Would Devin be any better on D than Bibby? His speed and ability to get to the basket is awesome, but what do others think?
Why are other broke teams going to have more to offer Joe in terms of $$ than the ATL? I prefer to feel Joe wants to win, he sees us as our home, he’s committed to Woodson. Keep the core, keep Woodson & Joe will sign. That’s just me?
Marvin has digressed significantly. I say give him till season’s end. If he doesn’t produce explore trade options. I don’t see messing with chemistry till the offseason.
Melvin
December 28th, 2009
10:19 pm
If the Rockets are bold/dumb enough to release/waive TMac. I hope Sund and the Hawks would persue him. TMac in the SF spot with Crawford and Joe in the backcourt would be nice. He may or may not be the same player but he will still demand respect on the court just the same. We could let Marvin start and TMac finish…. Just a thought.
Miss Horford
December 28th, 2009
10:26 pm
TMac will be nursing an “injury” from the end of any bench he sits.
Miss Horford
December 28th, 2009
10:34 pm
What’s McGrady’s playoff record? How bout when games really matter? Kid’s got nothin!
Melvin
December 28th, 2009
10:46 pm
Miss Horford,
TMac as a complementary player, I’ll take him…Some people thought adding Crawford would be a bad acquistion. How did that workout for the Hawks???
Ken Strickland
December 28th, 2009
10:56 pm
The only way I’d consider trading Marvin is if I was assured of being able to resign Chills as his replacement. I also believe he’d resign with the Hawks if we offered him a decent contract and Woodson assured him he’d make him a starter rather than our 6th man.
It’s obvious Woodson’s OFF doesn’t have many options. Since Chills doesn’t need the ball in his hands to be effective, and has proven to be very productive without having plays called for him, he would be even more productive than before playing in our current uptempo style.
It’s obvious he wants back into the NBA, but only under the right circumstances, which I believe we can offer.
Also, if we insist on starting and playing Bibby extended mins and forcing Teague to look over his shoulder everytime he brings the ball down the court or makes a mistake, we’re going to fail in the playoffs. Until we improve our PG play, especially on DEF, we’ll continue being a notch below teams like the Cavaliers, Magic, Lakers, Mavericks, Nuggets and Celtics. Oh, we might win a few regular season gms against them, but in a 7gm playoff series, our chances will be limited, especially if they have the homecourt advantage.
Teague entered the game against the Pacers, and after only a few mins he had a turnover and was immediately replaced by Bibby. On our next OFF posession Bibby committed a turnover by making an errant pass and absolutely nothing was said or done by Woodson. This is the same confidence shattering double standard we’ve seen before with SStaudemire and ALaw.
JeJe
December 28th, 2009
11:04 pm
truly1,
I would like to see us trade Marvin + ZaZa (we love him, but the guy just is not consistently good. His offense is so frustrating to watch) for Josh Howard or Antwawn Jamison. These are 2 seasoned veterans who are still probably in the upper echelon of SF’s, they compete, and they will score points. I have a hard time believing Marvin will ever get better. I said in his 3rd and 4th yr, as did many others here, that Marvin would average 18 ppg. All he did last year was add the 3pt FG to his game. Besides that clutch Boston shot I really cannot recall anything this guy did for us at all last year.
Guys like Marvin, Acie Law, and Shelden, worked as hard as possible to be good for us, but they just aren’t/weren’t. Marvin will not get any better in the future than he is now. I’m not hating on the guy. Hell, he won a NC and his jersey number was one # off from #23. But he is not going to be a star in this league.
JeJe
December 28th, 2009
11:09 pm
And back to my post on Relationship Selling, it is of the essence in NBA when pursuing Free Agents. Rick Sund said Summer 2008 that we would not take Josh Smith out to dinner in Atlanta when negotiating, since “he’s been to every restaurant.” What type of idiotic statement is this? The owners alienate players and have no idea how to develop a rapport with the players. We had to blindly throw $14M at Joe (I think he was our 3rd or 4th choice that summer) to get him to come here. Other than that, we have NOT landed another HIGH PROFILE (If Joe was even considered that) Free Agent here — we have NOT thrown the money at players to come here. You NEVER see this team in any valid trade rumors for players like Bosh, Garnett years back, Bryant, McGrady. All you saw was that pathetic Amare rumor which never came into fruition.
I don’t think anyone here can honestly look at our roster now and in the next 2 years and see us winning our conference and getting to the Finals / winning in the finals. There’s no way in hell we will ever beat Orlando in a series or come close to winning. That team is so deep with talent. Their 9th and 10th options are light-years ahead of anywhere Marvin will ever be in his career. Bottomline: Cleveland (Shaq trade), Orlando (Went to Finals + Vince trade), and Boston (Rasheed signing) all made moves as perennial Eastern Conference powerhouses to get to the Finals, whereas we are stuck as the “cute” #4 seed in the East who will not compete for the Title.
I would like to see us go into the Luxury tax next year. If this requires the ASG selling the team, then that must happen.
More later
JeJe
December 28th, 2009
11:12 pm
No — We DON’T need Childress. What we need is to start Mo Evans, who costs garbage money, and to throw our money at a superstar (WADE) this summer. Childress isn’t going to do anything for this team. Do you people honestly want to pay 7M for a guy who makes garbage layups, who is frail, and cannot get a jumpshot off?
O'Brien
December 28th, 2009
11:15 pm
Ken,
Another big issue is what happens if Bibby ever has to miss extended time? Woody would not know what to do.
I would love to have Chills and Marvin as our SF’s. That would give Woody options, depending on matchups.
I’m looking forward to the game tomorrow. I hope Woody and his staff used the timeoff to come up with a gameplan. Even if LeBron gets his (and he will), we must keep Varejao (sp?) off the boards, and Bibby has to find a way to slow down Mo Williams.
JeJe
December 28th, 2009
11:22 pm
These days off always kill the Hawks. Why does it feel like we’ve had 3 days off between every game?
Jody
December 29th, 2009
1:10 am
This might sound strange to some, but I think the Hawks will have become an elite team when they can beat an elite team without having to play a “perfect” game. We’ve seen teams like the Lakers, Celtics, Cavs and Magic play less than stellar basketball and at times flawed basketball and STILL beat the Hawks most times they play them. On the other hand, the Hawks have to play pratically a perfect game to beat those teams. This is an indicator that the Hawks are a really good team, but not yet on the same level as the elite teams.
bigdave
December 29th, 2009
1:13 am
Boston loses in Oakland… big home and home series for us…
lets get it…!
hawks_4_life
December 29th, 2009
8:24 am
BIG HOME AND HOME AGAINST CLEVELAND AND NO NEW BLOG UP REGARDING IT?
Mychelfromatl
December 29th, 2009
8:39 am
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Damn the AJC is failing us again…SMH!
Sautee
December 29th, 2009
9:08 am
Jeje,
About this: “These days off always kill the Hawks. Why does it feel like we’ve had 3 days off between every game?”
While I applaud your eagerness to get to the next game, the days off hardly “kill” the Hawks. Actually our record is 6-1 with at least two days off between games.
O'Brien
December 29th, 2009
10:24 am
Good point Jody,
Question for you. When the Hawks play a perfect game, and their opponent (specifically Lakers, Celtics, Cavs, Magic) also play a perfect game, who wins?
Guys,
Cavs are on a roll. 2 monster road wins (1 in Phoenix, and 1 at Lakers).
Ken Strickland
December 29th, 2009
10:42 am
Tonight’s front end of a back to back with Cleveland will launch a stretch of gms that will tell us exactly what type of team we have. Hawk fans can whine, moan, complain and come up with all the unlikely trade senarios they want, but the truth is, we’ll most likely have to finish the season with our current roster.
The next stretch of gms, especially the back to back with Cleveland, will be a preview of what we can expect during this yrs playoffs. It’s going to take consistent contributions from Marvin, JJ, Smoove, Horford, Crawford, Bibby, Zaza, Evans, JSmith and Teague, along with some inspired coaching and decision making from HC MWoodson, to successfully navigate this stretch of gms.
I want everyone to pay attention to our PG play and see what I mean when I say it’s our biggest weakness. Acquiring Bibby in 08 to run our still very young, immature and inexperienced team was the single biggest improvement this team has seen in the last 5yrs. Now, this team has matured and improved to the point where Bibby has become our biggest weakness. Opposing teams now take us very seriously and continuously look for weaknesses that they can exploit to give them an edge and keep us from running them off the floor. So far this yr, Bibby has been their main target.
It’s been almost a week since Sautee and I made solid points and posed questions to those who’ve made an issue of Horford as our starting center, and so far there’s been nothing but silence.
It’s also rather amusing to see those who are staunch defenders of HC MWoodson attack Marvin by trying to point out every conceivable flaw imaginable, whether real of imagined, while ignoring anything he might be contributing to the team. Yet, when anyone makes a strong point about HC MWoodson’s coaching or approach to coaching, they are quick to throw out the same defense, BUT WE’RE 20-8 WITH WOODSON AS OUR HC. WELL, AREN’T WE 20-8 WITH MARVIN AS OUR STARTING SF? Where’s the logic?
Mz. Hawkdafied
December 29th, 2009
10:56 am
The tides have turned. The Cavs are playing great and are on a winning streak. The Lakers and Celtics meanwhile are on a losing streak. Now which of the three teams’ streak is of the greatest concern right now? The Cavs’ streak right. Why did the Cavs decide to start playing great basketball right before the back to back vs the Hawks?
A little while ago the Hawks and Cavs were flip flopping between the 3 and 4 spot. But not right now. Right before the back to back curses. I can’t lie with the way Cleveland made LA fall apart on Christmas night, it got this Hawks fan a little scared, shaking in the knees. And once again I must stress right before the back to back vs the Hawks.
Now this Cleveland back to back is serious business and a perfect opportunity to make a statement. Just think about it. We owe this team some payback. They stole (that’s right stole didn’t nobody foul Lebron) a win last season in January and took over the arena during the playoffs. Not to mention swept us and knocked us out of the playoffs.
Yeah we could use the excuse that our team wasn’t at full force during the playoffs. But guess what, we are at full force now. Full force with a better bench. I want this win tonight so bad. I hope the ATL Hawks do too.
Mz. Hawkdafied
December 29th, 2009
11:00 am
Ken Strickland make that 21-8.
Rufus1
December 29th, 2009
11:04 am
Ken..great points
If we are going to win with athleticism and not size, why to we have the most unathletic PG this side of Derek Fisher(Can Bibby still dunk?)
JeJe
December 29th, 2009
11:19 am
That’s what I’ve said about Bibby.
HE IS TOO BIG. HE DOES NOT UTILIZE HIS MUSCULARITY IN HIS GAME. HIS OFFENSIVE FOUNDATION IS SHOOTING AND HE DOESN’T PLAY DEFENSE.
IF THE GUY LOST 15 POUNDS HE’D BE SO MUCH MORE EFFICIENT. WHY DOES NO ONE ELSE MENTION THIS? I SAID ALL SUMMER HE HAD TO LOSE WEIGHT, BUT HE DIDN’T. I TOLD SEKOU HE SHOULD LOSE WEIGHT, AND SEKOU THOUGHT IT WAS A JOKE
Astro Joe
December 29th, 2009
11:29 am
Strickland, in fairness, you have to evaluate Bibby on BOTh sides of the court. He has ALWAYS been a weak defender and age won;t make him any better. But any honest evaluation of the PG position must include what happens on the offensive end, where we lead the conference in scoring and commit very, very few turnovers. No one can defend Bibby as a defender but it is VERY easy to defend Bibby as the best overall PG on this team.
KevinA
December 29th, 2009
11:41 am
Dallas, Memphis, Houston, Charlotte, Washington,Toronto, are teams Cleveland lost to on the road. Chicago and Boston were home loses.
Lakers, Charlotte, No, Detroit, Chicago, Denver. are teams the Hawks lost on the road. New Your and Orlando were home loses.
It looks to me Cleveland is just as vulnerable on the road as the Hawks. We are 10-2 at home. I will be placing my bet on the Hawks tonight and give Cleveland the edge tomorrow night.
Part of my growing confidence is the play of Josh and Al. If they stay out of foul trouble it should be a competitive game between the big’s.
Another big factor will be the play of JJ. He needs to avoid the ego point matching of Labron and set the example of team ball. Our big’s almost always play efficient on offense. Tonight we need the same from our guards. We will need to be close to 50% in FG% to win.
Astro Joe
December 29th, 2009
11:42 am
Hilarious, yeah, Derek Fisher ain’t nothing compared to an athletic contemporary like Steve Francis. I mean, if Fisher were all that, he’d have 5 rings by now (instead of 4). Ha!
Mz. Hawkdafied
December 29th, 2009
11:43 am
The more important question is, can Bibby distribute the ball effectively? YES HE CAN!
Each player on the Hawks team plays a role and contributes his own thing to the team, whether big or small. Discrediting Hawks players and coaches after a 21-8 start is just ignorant.
Mz. Hawkdafied
December 29th, 2009
11:50 am
Your precious Derek Fisher was getting posted up by Mo Williams and turning the ball over. The only contribution he was making in that Christmas game so far was getting some offensive fouls called.
Derek Fisher and Kobe has rings because they were fortunate to be on great Laker teams. The only ring those two really earned is the one from last season. Kobe’s team is starting to lose because he has gone back to his ball hogging ways. When Kobe plays team ball his team wins. Kobe is scoring 30+ points but his team is still losing. Well at least that was the case for the Cavs and Suns losses.
Melvin
December 29th, 2009
11:51 am
JeJe,
Because losing weight doesn’t automatically make you faster. It sounds good in principle but it’s not always practical. Especially when your over 30yrs old. Bibby is getting older and the older you get, the more atheletic ability you lose. There is no substitute for age, wear and tear on the body….