A very merry blowout

Greetings, all-

Somewhere over the Midwest – Pretty brutal loss last night. The defense was nonexistent, or, as Mike Woodson put it, “awful.” I suspected the Hawks wouldn’t have it last night. For one, Denver has just run over everyone that has come into the Pepsi Center – the Nuggets have now won 23 of their last 24 there going back to the regular season. In losing by 20, the Hawks have pretty good company – the Lakers lost by 26, Utah lost by 11, Miami by 18.

I agree with what Dan said in the game thread. The game was lost in the first quarter – the Hawks spent the whole game chasing. They could get the lead down to 8, 10, 12, and then the Nuggets dropped some more 3-pointers on them. Perhaps if they could have tied it up, they might have gotten some more energy from that, but I think they just didn’t have enough in them. I imagine the Nuggets believe no one can beat them at home, and that is a powerful thing.

Here’s the thing – the Hawks beat the same team by even more points last month. (without J.R. Smith and Kenyon Martin, of course, but with Chauncey Billups) Denver was on a back-to-back (as were the Hawks), but also on the road and playing its fourth road game in five days. It showed. The Nuggets are not that bad.

Wednesday, the Hawks were on a back-to-back Wednesday, obviously tired, and it showed. The Hawks are not this bad, either. The notion that the Hawks have all these flaws – and I acknowledge there’s a difference between saying the team is flawed and having issues with coaching decisions – because they got torched by Denver doesn’t fly, given that they were obviously good enough to do the same thing to the Nuggets a month and a half ago.

It’s a disappointing result – it was interesting to me that Al Horford said the team wasn’t “tough enough” and that “we didn’t respond” – but I think the team shakes this off. As much as I figured the Hawks would lose Wednesday, I think you’ll see a much better performance Saturday against Indiana. The Cleveland back to back, in my opinion, will be a better barometer than Denver was.

Merry Christmas and Happy Hannukah to everyone. I hope you are able to spend this time with the people closest to you.

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Ken Strickland

December 25th, 2009
11:58 pm

TRUTH SERUM-Earlier, I mentioned there were better HC’s out there than Woodson, and some of his other groupees insisted that I name them. Well, why don’t you name these centers you keep insisting Sund is refusing to go after. YOU DO UNDERSTAND HOW TRADES WORK DON’T YOU? Just because you, or anyone else, thinks the Hawks need bigger, taller, stronger center, there has to be another team willing to part with the center the Hawks covet, as well as accept whatever the Hawks are offering in exchange.

You must understand that the other NBA teams aren’t there just to accomodate your dilusional idea of what is needed for the Hawks at center. COULD IT BE POSSIBLE YOU’RE TAKING YOUR MEDS?


December 26th, 2009
12:09 am

Ken, I don’t know what facility they have you housed at, or what treatment program you are under, or for that matter what doctor, but I think its working. Stay under treatment.

This is the first time I read one of your blogs and you did not come across as psychotic, deranged or out of control emotionally. Keep taking the medicine.

I heard woodson and the Hawks have a restraining order against you. I truly believe that once you are released from your cage, and your doctor say a note of sanity you will be allow to write Woodson and visit Phillips again. Its those little martian men in you head that make you stalk Woodson.

Have you stalked any one else beside Mike Woodson?

Anyway merry Christmas. I hadn’t heard from you and there was no voice of anger. It was a quiet and peaceful day.

I was hoping they’d let y’all out to get some air and its nice they let you use the internet.That was very nice of the nurses, it being Christmas and all.

Couple quick points. In case you missed it. I know you guys dont have internet during cage time. That explained why you thinking and understanding is light years behind the progressive thinking here.
This observation that horford is a power forward is not my ideal (all though I agree with it as do countless of others). I am not trying to present a new Idea. The view that Horford is a power forward and that he is and will be ineffective again true centers and particularly the centers on the teams that we are trying to over take is a view share by 95% of the professional experts who predicted the hawks would finish 4-7th seed and win 44-47 games largely as a result of us not addressing this during the off-season. I know the little green men are telling you this is truth-serums Idea but Big UMP said he has silver bullets for you and your little men.

No Ken I did not create the perspective of Horford being a pf who is out of place as a center, that’s a analysis shared by many professionals. What ever little martians are flying spaceships around in your mind telling you, “must get woodson, must get woodson, must get woodson”, don’t believe them. Tell them no! Woodson is in the coach of the year running. When you hear them say,” Horford is a center and defensive power house” tell they you lie! Horford is a power forward masquerading as a center because Sund is too cheap to go after and real center.Then wipe the slobber from your face, blow your nose, take your medicine and crawl back in your cage!

Keep taking your medicine, I think its helping. Merry Christmas.


December 26th, 2009
12:11 am

*tell them you lie!


December 26th, 2009
12:53 am

t-s somehow, i thought you might like it. peace and cyber fist back at you. kind of encapsulates all the arguments of the season(s).


December 26th, 2009
2:58 am


nunna yo biznezz

December 26th, 2009
9:47 am

on the following story,joe johnson repeats what most of us on this blog (including myself)repeat almost daily:

the quote he made when referring how we’ve been running a fast pace offense but could not keep up with the nuggets(and yes i know about the altitude),he said,”We just kind of ran out of energy,” said Joe Johnson, who finished with 16 points – 5.3 below his average. “We didn’t have the intensity that we normally have.”

the intensity we had comes when we have the 10 man rotation playing,and we allow joe and the starters to have fresh legs in the 3rd and not be tired out and have no legs because of increased minutes in the 1st half..

Mike is Back

December 26th, 2009
10:59 am

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all,
The Denver game was the one I called in my ten game predictions…I knew they would be out for blood after the way we embarrass THEM at Phillips. The Bulls game was the games that knock me out of the running…I didn’t see that one coming. lol

So much of what the Hawks do on defense depends on a focus and active Smoove. I hope this time off will help him to refocus on his goal of becoming one of the top defender in the NBA…that is when he at his best.

Teague, is still trying to find his way in Woody’s system. Despite his struggles…he is off to the best start of any rookie PG we have had. However, I am encouraged by the fact that his teammates always mentioned his name as a great addition to the team. All of the young PGs situation are different because they all play in different system under different coaches. I’m still high own Teague…we will have to exercise some patient…hopefully Woody will do the same.

No excuses for the Beat down in Denver…but you kind of got the feeling watching the NBA on Christmas…that everyone in the NBA is starting to take notice of these HAWKS. Now when the network displays the record of the best teams in the NBA…the HAWKS are there with the likes of Lakers, Nuggets, Cavs, and Orlando. Their hard is paying off.

To me that should be the only focus of the Hawks…forget about the dubious past everyone wants to harp on…keep grinding out victories and everything else will take care of itself.

THANKS FOR A GREAT 28 U HIGH FLYING HAWKS…now finish strong heading into the ALL-STAR break.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ken Strickland

December 26th, 2009
11:15 am

NUNNA YO BIZNEZZ-you brought up a very good point, but you’d better be careful. If any of Woodson’s groupies ever comprehend the point you’re making they’re going to come down on you. It’s called USING STRATEGY, PLANNING AHEAD and/or MAKING ADJUSTMENTS, which are far too often missing elements with the Hawks.

You would think a HC who’s team is on the back end of a back to back, and playing in Denver’s high altitude, would have the foresight to limit the mins of his key players by using his deep and talented bench more extensively. In this situation, you simply don’t play your key players between 35 and 40mins and expect them to effectively compete against Denver in that thin air. Again, it’s called USING STRATEGY, PLANNING AHEAD and/or MAKING APPROPRIATE ADJUSTMENTS.

Now watch, one of Woody’s lovers will claim he’s one of the NBA’s best at EMPLOYING STRATEGY, PLANNING AHEAD and/or MAKING ADJUSTMENTS, or probably claim these aren’t important issues, at least not to them. The alternative to these 2 approaches will be to launch an attack on me for bring up the truth about their HERO, JUST WATCH!

Ken Strickland

December 26th, 2009
11:17 am

MIKE IS BACK-Cosign you last post.


December 26th, 2009
11:19 am

I understand that a lot of you guys are concerned about Bibby’s defense, but you have to remember that on the offensive end of it he is money. He rarely makes mistakes and runs the fast break better that any other Hawk. If we are going to talk about slow pg, look no further that the defending World Champion Lakers, with Derek Fisher. as long as Atl plays their game, sharing the ball and looking for the open man, they can overcome those defensive issues. The Hawks usually rotate very well on defense, but a lot of that has to do with J-Smoove helping out. If he gets into foul trouble early then that is taken away from us. I agree that JT is going to be a good pg, so it’s up to coach Woodson to find minutes for him in non-pressure in order to allow him to succeed and build confidence from that. Not when the game is on the line and you need tha assertiveness of a veteran like Bibby.
Guys we don’t need a pg, what we need to find a trading partner that will take Marvin Williams. I think it’s time to trade for a Antwan Jamison or Caron Butler, somebody with more experience that will be consistent and more under control.

What do you guys think?

Ken Strickland

December 26th, 2009
4:35 pm

DAN-the Lakers play very good DEF, and DFisher has been a solid DEF player, never a DEF liability. He’s strong, has good footwork, can fight over screens and doesn’t put pressure on his frontline players by playing a matador style DEF that allows his man to consistently get by him, like Bibby. Also, teams don’t single Fisher out and attack him like they do Bibby, and unlike Woodson, HC PJackson doesn’t have to try and create some sort of gimmick DEF to try and hide any DEF liabilities, like we’re doing with Bibby.

It’s revealing how some of you can focus exclusively on the positives Bibby brings to the table, which is totally limited to OFF, while completely ignoring, or making excuses for, the fact he’s a total DEF liability. On the other hand, you conveniently ignore Marvin’s DEF contributions and focus exclusively on his OFF woes. At least Woodson has the sense to recognize his DEF contributions and not make an issue of his OFF.

It’s also revealing how not one person responded to my comment about how Marvin, despite all of his OFF struggles, still manages to outscore Bibby, who controls the ball, runs the OFF and calls his own plays. Why would you want to get rid of a starter who gives us what we need most, DEF and rebounding, yet support a starting PG that’s easily our worst DEF player, and gives us the least of what we need most? Even as an asset on OFF, he doesn’t penetrate or consistently create easy scoring opportunities for others. As the starting PG, and on a team that ranks as one of NBA’s top scoring teams, he manages to rank only 2nd in APG behind our SG and barely ahead of our PF.

All of you on the GET RID OF MARVIN bandwagon seem to be of the opinion that he’s a total waste of time. Yet, you somehow think every other NBA GM would be more than willing to give up in trade any key player you’d want to see on our roster for Marvin, someone you think absolutely nothing of. THAT’S EXACTLY THE TYPE OF DILUSIONAL THINKING THAT CREATES MOST OF THE ARGUMENTS AND/OR DISAGREEMENTS ON THESE BLOGS.

Again, if Woodson would get over his ignorant bias against young PG’s and give Teague the mins and support he’s consistently given Bibby so far, is there anyone out there who feels he wouldn’t gives us more APG, PPG, SPG, BPG, RPG and better DEF than we’re now getting from Bibby?


December 26th, 2009
5:16 pm

Marvin Williams is the poster child for why you should stay in school to let your game develop.


December 26th, 2009
5:57 pm


Since you mentioned Derek Fisher favorably with Mike Bibby let us compare their stats:


PPG 9.7
RPG 2.5
APG 4.1
SPG 0.9
BPG 0.0
FG% 0.430
FT% 0.828
3P% 0.430
MPG 28.0


PPG 7.2
RPG 2.5
APG 3.0
SPG 1.1
BPG 0.2
FG% 0.401
FT% 0.900
3P% 0.342
MPG 27.1

Bibby leads in PPG: APG, FG%, 3P% and MPG but the difference in MPG is minuscule so that the comparison is very close. Fisher leads in SPG, BPG and FT%. I suppose that Phil Jackson just chooses to play Fisher over Jordon Farmar because Fisher has more potential. Surely you don’t think a great coach such as Jackson would not allow his veteran to play instead of the young player who holds the potential for the team’s future. But then Farmar only plays 17 minutes per game as a THREE YEAR VETERAN. I guess we just add Jackson to the list of those with an ignorant bias against young PG’s.

Ken Strickland

December 27th, 2009
1:55 am

RLP-for some unknown reason, you and others continue to ignore the DEF factor when it comes to Bibby. Fisher provides PJackson with solid DEF, takes a lot of DEF pressure off KBryant and their frontline, and unlike Bibby he’s not counted on as a primary scorer. He’s at best the 5th scoring option on that starting team. Is Bibby considered the 5th scoring option on the Hawks, and does he take any DEF pressure off JJ or his frontline? The truth is he creates as much DEF pressure for his team as the opposition, and Woodson has been forced to use a gimmick DEF to compensate. The sad thing is, far too many Bibby fans like to pretend his matador DEF isn’t an issue.

When Bibby first arrived, our team PPG scored went up by 9PPG. However, our DEF PPG allowed also went up by 9PPG. In other words, we got better offensively, but we also got worse defensively as well. At this point in his career, his overall OFF has diminished and his overall DEF has gotten worse. You can compare all of the stats you want, but until you start factoring in Bibby’s PPG allowed, it’s all a waste of time.