A very merry blowout

Greetings, all-

Somewhere over the Midwest – Pretty brutal loss last night. The defense was nonexistent, or, as Mike Woodson put it, “awful.” I suspected the Hawks wouldn’t have it last night. For one, Denver has just run over everyone that has come into the Pepsi Center – the Nuggets have now won 23 of their last 24 there going back to the regular season. In losing by 20, the Hawks have pretty good company – the Lakers lost by 26, Utah lost by 11, Miami by 18.

I agree with what Dan said in the game thread. The game was lost in the first quarter – the Hawks spent the whole game chasing. They could get the lead down to 8, 10, 12, and then the Nuggets dropped some more 3-pointers on them. Perhaps if they could have tied it up, they might have gotten some more energy from that, but I think they just didn’t have enough in them. I imagine the Nuggets believe no one can beat them at home, and that is a powerful thing.

Here’s the thing – the Hawks beat the same team by even more points last month. (without J.R. Smith and Kenyon Martin, of course, but with Chauncey Billups) Denver was on a back-to-back (as were the Hawks), but also on the road and playing its fourth road game in five days. It showed. The Nuggets are not that bad.

Wednesday, the Hawks were on a back-to-back Wednesday, obviously tired, and it showed. The Hawks are not this bad, either. The notion that the Hawks have all these flaws – and I acknowledge there’s a difference between saying the team is flawed and having issues with coaching decisions – because they got torched by Denver doesn’t fly, given that they were obviously good enough to do the same thing to the Nuggets a month and a half ago.

It’s a disappointing result – it was interesting to me that Al Horford said the team wasn’t “tough enough” and that “we didn’t respond” – but I think the team shakes this off. As much as I figured the Hawks would lose Wednesday, I think you’ll see a much better performance Saturday against Indiana. The Cleveland back to back, in my opinion, will be a better barometer than Denver was.

Merry Christmas and Happy Hannukah to everyone. I hope you are able to spend this time with the people closest to you.

114 comments Add your comment

TRUTH-SERUM

December 24th, 2009
11:11 am

DID I MAKE FIRST?

Melvin

December 24th, 2009
11:28 am

At 20-8, I’m still proud of these Hawks…

TRUTH-SERUM

December 24th, 2009
11:35 am

I have to agree with woodson on this one, we have no defense. Playing to match so one else’s numbers is not the same as beating them. The object is to do better than, not to equal.

True, we put up similar numbers in the post but you aren’t going to win a championship like that. We are defenseless in the post. I’m sorry Hawk haters and Horford nut huggers.

Yes its true that we get beat from the outside too, but this is done after the other team established that they can get a score anytime they want right underneath the basket.At that point we are force to into “switching” and staying close to the paint to help our…”center?” Opposing coaches know that and coach their players accordingly. There is at that point very little defense directed towards their sharp shooters who are bombs away. Even a average shooter can seem like a marks man with no defense.

In last nights game we actually made a run in the 4th, and got the game to 6 or 8 when they decided to go back to the guaranteed score under the basket three times to open it back up. At this critical junction of the game, I have a recurring vision of Nene, the worlds greatest center, dunking over helpless Horford.

Horford had the best view of that dunk and im sure can tell you all about it.

We will get to the playoffs. We may not win our division, but we weren’t pick to either. Since we know we will make the playoffs, its only rational to think about how we can advance once we get there. this season is a preparation for the playoffs.

We have until then to address out lack of defense in the post, if we are to be contenders and not pretenders.

Horford is a very good player, a hard worker and a power forward who reminds me of Dennis Rodman, good for a rebound. I appreciate what he does for the team by giving it his best shot every night and is well aware that he’s playing out of position.

Thank you Horford. You are loved don’t get me wrong. Dont misconstrue this analysis with a personal agenda towards you.

SUND, GET ON YOUR FREAKING JOB!

Jody

December 24th, 2009
11:45 am

Truth-Serum,

Great post and I think you’re spot on. The Hawks struggles inside should not turn into an indictment against Al Horford. He’s doing all he can and has done a great job so far this season. However, the truth of the matter is, he needs help inside and he is playing out of position. That’s the truth and when the Hawks go up against teams with legit frontcourts, the truth is exposed. I think the sooner people, be it management or fans, loose their own personal agendas as to who they personally want to see be successful on the Hawks team, the sooner they will realize the truth and strive to make the needed adjustments.

rms

December 24th, 2009
12:00 pm

TRUTH-SERUM

December 24th, 2009
12:05 pm

Jody that a very excellent follow up. Thank you for that!

TRUTH-SERUM

December 24th, 2009
12:07 pm

December 24th, 2009
11:35 am

*playing to match someone else’s numbers

Wabe

December 24th, 2009
12:19 pm

Can’t defend the post? Denver pulled away in this game from beyond the arc. They didn’t kill the Hawks getting easy buckets inside. They really get much inside until the end of the game when Nene powered down a couple of slams.

The Hawks didn’t lose this game because Al Horford can’t play post defense. I understand that at times, our gaurds may come to help Al or Josh out downlow if the opponents pose mismatches, but last night, when we doubled, it was usually Melo…

Doubling down on Melo left other Nuggets (JR/Afflalo) open for looks beyond the arc. JR Smith shot 10-17 from beyond the arc. Afflalo knocked a couple of looks down at a critical point as well. He shot 2-3 from beyond the arc.

The Hawks inability to slow JR Smith down from beyond the arc single-handedly kept the Hawks from winning this game. To blame Al Horford seems foolish, because Nene/K-Mart weren’t really doing much down in the post but taking 10 foot jumpers and making them.

Denver clearly showed that even without Billups, they’ve got the depth needed to overcome it. They came out hitting on all cylinders, and by the time the Hawks got settled down, they were down 10 and tried cutting it down all night, but failed.

We lost because we couldn’t step out and contest 3 pointers, not because Al Horford can’t defend the paint.

Wabe

December 24th, 2009
12:29 pm

Nene shot 6-11 and ended the game with 15 points/8 boards. You cannot seriously think that the Hawks were still doubling this guy downlow when you’ve got Carmelo to account an extra body for. On top of that, you cannot seriously believe that the Hawks were gonna continue to double downlow with JR Smith shooting the way he was.

It had nothing to do with Horford/Smoove downlow. Do you honestly think Nene and K-Mart torched the Hawks defense? You think their prescence played that big a difference? You think they’re the reason JR Smith was knocking down open looks outside? I honestly would’ve lived with either one of those guys taking 25 looks each last night vs. Horford/Smoove. We would’ve won that game if they did…

We lost this game early because we didn’t want Melo to beat us, and forced other guys to beat us. Well, those other guys, they beat us.

TRUTH-SERUM

December 24th, 2009
12:40 pm

Wabe I appreciate your view. There are others who feel the same way. Im not blaming Horford. You missed that point. Im blaming our lack of a low post presence and a legitimate center. This problem wasn’t just assaulted in Denver. We are hurt in the post in many games. To put your head in the sand and act as if the problem doesnt exist is not going to resolve it.

Denver did not show any thing except that a player who is averaging 15 points a game can score 1000 pts if there is no defense on him. I agree with your premise,”We lost because we couldn’t step out and contest 3 pointers”. We could not “step out” and guard the three because we had to stay close to the paint to rotate and help out in the post. There was times that Marvin, Crawford and JJ were in the low post with Horford trying to help out.

I am not the only one who says this. This is the very reason the Hawk were picked by over 95% of the sports outlets and media sources to finish 4-7 seed. You’d have to be blind or ignorant not to see it for what it is.

Im sorry you took this as an attack on Horford. It it is not.

TRUTH-SERUM

December 24th, 2009
12:43 pm

We did not have to “Double down on Melo”. He doesnt play in the post like a center but is on the wing, key, corner, perimeter. You premise is off.

TRUTH-SERUM

December 24th, 2009
12:43 pm

*your premise

TRUTH-SERUM

December 24th, 2009
12:45 pm

Im out for another run. Trying to get and keep an edge. Have a good afternoon.

Wabe

December 24th, 2009
1:03 pm

I get what you’re saying Truth, guess I just saw the game unfold differently. People are always talking about our lack of size inside, but where do you want the Hawks to go find a physical force to play center for the Hawks? How would we get him? Who would he replace?

It basically boils down to speed/athleticism vs. size. Can you name me 5 physical centers playing in the league right now? I doubt I could. I bet most of the guys you’d name are guys I wouldn’t want on my roster. They’d either be guys that are “up and coming w/potential” or guys that are a bit too injury proned to be worth the consideration. How about naming a duo in the league playing right now that you’d take over Smoove/Horford?

You’ve also got to understand that the BIGS the Hawks have are a great fit for the kind of ball we play down here. You remember what happened to Phoenix, another team that likes to run, when they started walking the ball up and down the court because they had Shaq?

I’d point out the lack of defensive ability of Bibby, Crawford, and even Marvin before I pointed out our lack of size in the paint. Maybe these guys aren’t rotating quick enough, or they’re getting beat off the dribble on a daily basis setting up looks for others.

As always, I respect your views, just see things a bit differently.

Harry Hawk

December 24th, 2009
1:20 pm

I’m playing it cool this year. Woody doesn’t deserve much criticism at all so far. The Hawks have been pretty damn good so far. I have a feeling that Woody will rear his ugly head in the playoffs, but until then, why not just enjoy seeing this team win a hell of lot more than we’ve been used to over the last ten years?

Wabe

December 24th, 2009
1:23 pm

“I am not the only one who says this. This is the very reason the Hawk were picked by over 95% of the sports outlets and media sources to finish 4-7 seed. You’d have to be blind or ignorant not to see it for what it is.”

Well, at this point, the Hawks are a top 4 team in the East. They might end up finishing at 4, I don’t see them finishing anywhere under that. And, if they do end up at 4, it won’t be because we lack a physical center that can’t defend the paint downlow, it’ll be because we’ve lost games vs. the Knicks, at Bobcats, at Detroit, at Chicago, at New Orleans, etc. Losing these types of games against teams that we should be beating will be the reason we don’t wind up with a better seeding once it’s all said and done, not because of our lack of size inside. Notice, none of these teams have dominant centers inside. We lost these games because of our lack of mental toughness, not physical toughness.

RLP

December 24th, 2009
1:30 pm

I was proud of the effort the Hawks gave last night. In years past the game would have been over after the first quarter run that Dan and Ken S. thought was the reason for the loss. But this year’s team continued to put in the effort and fight through the obvious problems. If you remember some of the games where the Hawks blew out inferior teams recently how many of those games were over in the third quarter? The second unit would play out the win. That did not happen in this game. The white flag was not run up until after the last serious run was made in the fourth quarter and it was clear that this was not the night for the Hawks.

How many times have we seen the post come after a lost pointing out all of the teams weaknesses. And how often do the team’s apologist come out after a win with the counter point? I agree with those who say we have a long season and must remain patient.

I also think that most of us have a tendency to overlook how important the Pacers game will be Saturday night. Another win on the road just might give the team’s psyche a big lift heading into the showdown with the Cavaliers. But the Pacers could pull their record even at home with a win. And the Hawks are still learning how to win road games even against lesser opponents. So this could very well be a trap game where the team overlooks this opponent while looking ahead to the big back to back series.

T.S.:

I agree that against the very best teams the center position could definitely be strengthen. And like you I am not in any way denigrating Al Horford. the problem I have with your position is the difficulty of finding such reinforcements without ruining the chemistry of this team. Who knows what would happen if the team gave up one of the key elements that have put them in the position they are in today? I’m sure that trading Dominique for Danny Manning was supposed to give the team the strength it needed to put the team over the top. So when you discuss this aspect of the team I think it is counterproductive to only bemoan this problem without looking at the strengths and weaknesses the team has in other areas. I give the team’s management and ownership credit for achieving the results they have with the limited ability they have to gather talent for the team given the obviously limited resources that prevent them from doing the kinds of things that teams like the Lakers have to give Pau Gasol the kind of contract that will keep them among the elite.

As for the playoffs please consider that even if you do not think the Hawks are among the elite most commentators and member of this forum will surely agree that there are three teams that are elite in the East. One of those elite teams will not make it past the second round of the playoffs. I like what an article in the New York Times Sunday Sports section said in a profile of the Hawks. They are on the cusp of being an elite team. They definitely have the talent to make it to the Eastern Conference championship round and beyond if things go well. But even if they don’t this year will be considered a success if they make it to the second round and play well in that round. There is actually only one team that the team has to fear because of the center position and EVERY team in the league will have that same fear. No one has shown me that they have the ability to overcome his advantages. But as a team his team can be overcome because the game is played by five at a time and not one.

TRUTH-SERUM

December 24th, 2009
1:31 pm

Wabe we find common ground on a couple of points.

1. We are running and gunning west coast style.
2. Our power forwards run and gun very well.

What Im adding, that is missing from your perspective, is that running and gunning may get you to the playoffs but it wont win a championship. You must be dynamic and able to adapt to the half court set in the playoffs. There is a different “type” of physical and skill player necessary to play the half court set. We aren’t fully capable of that at this time.

If I could pull the strings for the Hawks I would have. They pay me (rightfully so-LOL)Ziltch to scout and pursue interest. They pay Sund millions to get that done. I say this in response to your million dollar question of who and where do we get a center from. I have my list and favorites and you yours.

Bottom line is they pay Sund Millions to answer that question. One thing is for sure….we haven’t answered with our power forwards playing out of position.

TRUTH-SERUM

December 24th, 2009
1:35 pm

RLP Its seems we are on the same page… looks like they are not paying you either, LOL, to solve the problem of who and where we get the missing piece in the middle.

But they do pay Sund, who has to answer if we are going to be contenders and not pretenders.

BTW…Excellent Post!

RLP

December 24th, 2009
1:47 pm

One other point about my commentary above. Cleveland will play the Lakers in a prime time match up in LA on Christmas day. The Lakers are 16-2 at the Staples Center. The following day the Hawks will play the Pacers in Indianapolis. On Sunday the Cavaliers will play a tough Houston team in Cleveland. Houston is 9-8 on the road this year. Hawks fans should remember how tough they were on the Hawks at Phillips. Each team then has a day of before the big game in Atlanta the following night. The schedule is at least a point in the Hawks favor if they can beat the Pacers. If they do and if the Cavaliers lose to the Lakers but defeat Houston then the Hawks record will be 21-8 while the Cavaliers will be 23-9. A Hawks win would then put the Hawks ahead of the Cavaliers for the third seed. But a Cavaliers sweep of the series will put the Hawks back into the position of a “cusp” team rather than an “elite” team. All of this is big for whatever the season holds for this team. A week from today we should know a lot more about what the future holds for this team.

And at that point look out for either the detractors or the apologist to have a field day. But I advocate patience because the season will still have a long way to go.

Benjamin

December 24th, 2009
1:57 pm

Telling Sund to “Get on his freaking job!” is a little silly, imho. The dude has done a fantastic job with the time he’s had, much better than the incompetence presented by the previous guy. I agree with some of the points you made, Truth, but that comment probably was a little overdramatic. lol

I’ll take 20-8 with some of the wins we’ve put out there. Looking forward to our next matchups vs. Cleveland, Boston, and Orlando…. we’re getting closer to being a top-tier team, if we aren’t there already. Just need to retain Joe this offseason and move forward appropriately from there.

Benjamin

December 24th, 2009
2:05 pm

Question, and this is just a general one:

How many true centers are out there these days?

It seems to me that the position has evolved somewhat from the 80s and 90s, when you had your Ewings, Robinsons, Olajuwons, Parishes, etc. roaming the floor. There aren’t a lot of dominant, back to the basket bigs out there these days.

Al Horford is a PF. I agree with that sentiment. But I also think it should be noted that he’s done an outstanding job holding his own against the other Cs of the Eastern Conference the past couple years. He’s been above average in his role, and Zaza is pretty good as a backup, too.

Ideally, I do agree with you, Truth. Getting a true, legit 5 would be a good thing for the franchise. I just don’t see that many on the landscape.

Ken Sugiura

December 24th, 2009
2:28 pm

I’ll say this about Horford. He’s at a size disadvantage, but he’s at a speed advantage. How many times is he finishing off the break after beating his man down the floor? I have to think that opposing teams look at Horford as a matchup problem in that regard, also.

I’m not saying I think Horford is (or isn’t) the answer at center. I haven’t formed an opinion. And I think it might be moot, as far as going and getting someone in a trade goes, because I remember Woodson being asked about his undersized big men, and he said something along the lines that he thought that that was where the game was going, which in effect is an endorsement of the Hawks lineup as is. But just something else to consider.

Grandad

December 24th, 2009
2:45 pm

For TS, Ken, and others:
I’ve said it before, TS and I are in agreement on the fact that we need a long def. stopper in the middle. Al is a fine player! [4] or [5].
The player we need can be a specialist. Al can start at [5]. I’ll
elaborate another time. Al and Josh need help. Much like Joe needed help
[Jamal]. Go get [steal] Joakim Noah. Once again, TS, please don’t blame Al. He’s not the/a problem. Does the ‘Birdman’ start for Den.?

In all seriousness – ‘Happy Holidays to T.S.’

PS:
Merry Christmas to my fellow members of the “Bubba Crew”.

Jody

December 24th, 2009
3:08 pm

As far as the lack of size issue goes, what the Hawks should be concerned about is not resembling teams that are not contenders, but instead, trying to reach the level of teams that are. The teams that are legit contenders have legitimate size at the 5 position and that’s no coincidence. But, that doesn’t mean that you have to have an allstar or superstar player at the 5 to contend which I think is the point people are missing. Kendrick Perkins and Andrew Bynum aren’t allstar players, but their size and defensive prescence inside is critical to their teams being contenders. It also allows their teams to play and adapt to different styles, both uptempo and half court(essential to success in the playoffs).

I don’t mean this to sound negative, but if the Hawks continue to use the excuse of “well other teams don’t have a center either”, then their always gonna come up short come playoff time.

TRUTH-SERUM

December 24th, 2009
3:19 pm

RLP

Yes, we have reached the 1/ 3, of the season with 2/3’s remaining

I have watched over the years how the movers and shakers among GM’s try and make something happen before or right after the all star game, in an effort to position themselves for the playoff run with enough time to allow chemistry to mesh. We haven’t been with in striking distance of the top in many years. We are now. We can sit here and hope the teams in front of us falter or we can upgrade our personnel to be on par with theirs. We can rise up or hope they fall back.

Id rather we rise up.

It seems there is a side bar extending from the issue in the “middle”, that is relevant to the hawks net worth, and interest, in investing in the Hawks as a liquid as set. I say liquid because out side of the building, equipment uniforms etc. we are talking about players whose value changes with injuries, age and declining abilities. We all know that effective centers are at a premium in the league, and acquiring one is always a challenge.

The NBA reminds me of a two poker tables one for each conference, where owners and GM’s play for control of the chips which are equated to the players.

So often we watch the game played on the court and don’t see the game behind the scene.

That was one of the points of interest that benefited me as a child in LA watching Jerry Buss and later Jerry West, wheel and deal and keep the Laker’s in contention and in the black financially. I don’t think most Atlanta fans understand the role of a GM and his or her value to the team and franchise.

Many GMs would prefer to be coaches and often choke out the ability of a head coach by superseding his ability to coach. This often happens because a General manager doesnt understand or is incapable of wheeling and dealing behind the scene at the NBA poker table, so they live out their dream of being a head coach through and in place of the coach.

Not all former head coaches make good GM’s.

Im not saying Sund hasn’t begun a good work, Im not saying Billy knight didnt.

What I am saying is Sund left Dallas with out finishing the job. They too, were on the cusp (still are except they are gradually fading).

I am also saying that the job here is not finished. This team as its personnel is today are not champions. There are missing pieces. You may be satisfied with a good team, but Im hungry for a championship. That means a great team.

So, again, I call out:

Sund get on your job!

TRUTH-SERUM

December 24th, 2009
3:21 pm

Grandad/Suatee , happy holi-day to you and the bubba crew…

TRUTH-SERUM

December 24th, 2009
3:22 pm

TRUTH-SERUM

December 24th, 2009
3:22 pm

Good post Jody. I enjoyed your writing.

TRUTH-SERUM

December 24th, 2009
3:24 pm

Benjamin Point made Benjamin

Jody

December 24th, 2009
3:25 pm

I would also add that in addition to the size issue, the Hawks also need another guy who can consistently create offense for himself and others. They’ve got Joe and Jamal, but the Hawks need someone else.

O'Brien

December 24th, 2009
3:27 pm

Guys,

A lot of us agree that the Hawks could use some more size at center. But the issue remains, how are we supposed to get one? Dont you think if there was one readily available Sund would be trying to get him?

The next time anyone suggests we get somebody else to play center, please propose who we should acquire, and how (who would we trade, whether current players, draft picks etc).

And somebody suggested Josh play SF. What game are you watching? Do you really want to see Josh guarding the LeBrons, Melo, Pierce, etc? Wouldn’t that take him away from the basket, which is where he excels (blocking shots, weak side help, etc).

And does Josh have any kind of shooting stroke to play SF? Even his dribbling/ball handling is suspect.

It pains me to see people complain about stuff, but cannot offer any realistic suggestions.

TRUTH-SERUM

December 24th, 2009
3:30 pm

Jody

December 24th, 2009
3:25 pm

co-signing, ditto

TRUTH-SERUM

December 24th, 2009
3:34 pm

O’Brien you can be pained all you want. Thats Sunds call. A lot of bloggers have posted there favorite-trade-draft-development scenario only to have it shot down by some one else’s favorite. Us playing favorites is not going to resolve the hawks issue. Thats the GM/s job.

I hope you feel better.

TRUTH-SERUM

December 24th, 2009
3:35 pm

Good GMs are wheelers and dealers and make it happen. Losers say I did not see a deal to make or every body had a contract so no one was available. What the hell is Sund being paid millions for ?

TRUTH-SERUM

December 24th, 2009
3:42 pm

O’Brien

That old dog wont hunt!!

Prov 22:13

13 The slothful man saith, There is a lion without, I shall be slain in the streets.KJV

yes we can, YES we can, YES, WE,can, YES WE CAN YES WE CAN

RLP

December 24th, 2009
3:48 pm

TRUTH-SERUM (AND GRANDDAD, JODY ET AL.):

I entered a post at the very end of the line the other day and I am going to copy and paste one paragraph here because I think what I wrote then is germane to your posst. I wrote:

“I also believe the ownership of this team is gradually, slowly, but methodically, turning this team into a team with the potential to win a title in the only way a team without the financial resources of teams such as the Lakers and the Celtics or teams without the luck of having a superstar fall into their laps like the Cavaliers or Magic can build a championship team. They have recognized that it takes patience and a willingness to ignore those who cannot be satisfied unless a team has a win now attitude. I love how this team has been constructed and feel that this year is just one more chapter in something that began when they tore up the roster upon assuming ownership of the team. For all of the abuse this ownership has taken they should now reap the benefits for the product they now have on the floor.”

I do not disagree with the need for an aircraft carrier filling the middle for the Hawks. That would be ideal. But I just do not see how it can be done without losing other pieces of the team that may be vital for the team to achieve the goal of a championship WITH THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE by this ownership group. So sure I wish for a “true center”, an all-star point guard and and all-star 3. But if you really have a wish then why don’t we all wish for an ownership group that has the resources to furnish these kind of players so that we can indeed have a championship team RIGHT NOW. Otherwise I suggest that we continue to offer our advice about changes the team can make a bit more realistic.

Ken

December 24th, 2009
3:54 pm

Here is my concern with coach Woodson. I watch other rookie poing guards come into the league and immediately make impacts because their coach believes in their ability . Coach Woodson, on the other hand will keep his veteran point in the game even when it is clear that he cannot guard quicker guards like Ty Lawson. It just seems to me that Teague has the ability but lacks the confidence because he is afraid to take risks . Also, he only gets in the game mostly when the game is already decided. Coach Woodson is old school, believing that rookies should pay their dues. He is slow to see that the ability and talent level of the top rookies is such that they can play right away if given the confidence and playing time. I thought when we got Teague, this would all change, but so far its the same old story.

RLP

December 24th, 2009
4:39 pm

KEN:

Here is some data for you to assess:

During the months of October (2 games) and November combined Jeff Teague played an average of just over 8 MPG on both the road and home with a slightly higher average on the road. In December he has played an average of over 18 mpg at home and Increased his mpg slightly on the road but it is still under 9 mpg. His average mpg increased from over 8 mpg for the earlier period to over 13 and a half mpg in December. Maybe we should continue to watch how his mpg go as we get deeper into the schedule. We know Coach Woodson has demonstrated less willingness to play him on the road. Will his minutes increase or decrease as we head into the heart of the schedule? I believe you were the one who pointed out that the January schedule will be much harder than the December schedule.

Also in the earlier period he had one game in which he scored in double figures but has had three games in double figures in December. I agree that he is one of the building blocks for a brighter future. It is easy to see a future when he is the team’s starting pg. But I happen to like how his playing time is being doled out now. I think he has demonstrated a growing confidence in his ability to become an integral part of the team.

RLP

December 24th, 2009
4:40 pm

RLP

December 24th, 2009
4:58 pm

BTW – for those who find data of this kind interesting the site has the ability to compare two players side by side. For instance in a comparison of Teague and YTy Lawson here are the numbers:

PPG – Teague 3.8 Lawson 8.1
RPG – Teague 1.1 Lawson 2.2
APG – Teague 2.1 Lawson 3.4
SPG – Teague 0.7 Lawson 0.8
BPG – Teague 0.2 Lawson 0.1
FG% – Teague 38 Lawson 50
FT% – Teague 86 Lawson 78
3P% – Teague 23.5 Lawson 44
MPG – Teague 10.8 Lawson 20.7

Based on the MPG you could double Teague’s stats to get a roughly similar comparison’s of these two. The only big differences would be in APG (favors Teague); BPG (favors Teague): FG% (favors Lawson) ; FT% (favors Teague); 3P% (favors Lawson) and of course MPG. The site will allow other comparisons as well.

JeJe

December 24th, 2009
5:19 pm

LOL

“I recommend it to these guys all the time,” coach Mike Woodson said.

Wow, Woodson recommends watching basketball to professional athletes. Thanks, Coach!

Its even more pathetic when guys like Kobe watch all day but we need our moron coach telling guys to watch.

The worst part was where Marvin said he does not like to watch basketball., LOL it shows. What a pathetic excuse for a basketball player. When the guy scores 10 points, that’s considered a good game for him. 0 bball IQ, cannot block a shot, take a charge, or make a contested jumpshot

doc

December 24th, 2009
6:16 pm

wrong game to jump on horford. he wasnt the liability. seems we had no one who could manage melo one on one. we never did get that one figured out or was it coaching or altitude? maybe it is more where is ron artest when you need him? heh heh

truth, seems you have had a lot of stream to run off, hopefully it worked or your loved ones might have a tiger to deal with tomorrow on christmas day doubt you will have many takers around here to rap with my friend. merry christmas to you and so many that contribute here to make my days more lively, my appreciation for the hawks greater, and to share one of the passions in my life …. BBALL.

peace y’all …… doc

RLP

December 24th, 2009
6:20 pm

Merry Christmas to you Doc.

And to all the others who contribute to this site.

Mychelfromatl

December 24th, 2009
6:29 pm

Rod From College Park and JeJe is the same damn person SMH.

TRUTH-SERUM

December 24th, 2009
6:38 pm

RLP, I had previously read your post, your view is not strange to me and does run on the same track as mine. In sports and in life you have a window time to get things done. At some point patience meets destiny.

TRUTH-SERUM

December 24th, 2009
6:41 pm

Doc it was a very peace day filled with meaningful exchange with no mudslinging…that is until you decided my family and your opinion of me should become a topic.

Some times I forget why I do talk with certain individuals. Guys like you remind me.

Thanks.
My gift to you is the Big Ray Rule.

TRUTH-SERUM

December 24th, 2009
6:42 pm

*why I dont talk with certain…..

doc

December 24th, 2009
6:44 pm

truth, it was all in a kindly jesting manner or so i thought, just ribbing you a bit. sorry if you didnt take it that way as i meant heartily the last comments on my gratitude for you and everyone here.

GeeMack

December 24th, 2009
6:48 pm

Truth-Serum

I could not have said that any better. It’s time to win a championship.