Live from Denver International Airport…

Denver – This is a little later than promised (something the editors at my paper have heard more than a few times from me). I thought there’d be Internet access on the plane, but there was not. (I’ve since landed, and am now at a little table finishing up, before going to get my car.)

Anyway, my thoughts on Minnesota.

As I watched the game in the estimable company of Hawks sideline reporter James Verrett and Hawks PR man Arthur Triche, my impression was that the game was a little raggedy, that the Hawks weren’t really sharp and no one, save Joe Johnson and Jamal Crawford, played all that well. Minnesota was getting open looks at the basket and had more energy.

The man the Hawks call "Big Country"

The man the Hawks call "Big Country"

But, looking at the box score, and certainly the final score, it would certainly indicate that the Hawks dominated. The Hawks shot 48.9 percent and held Minnnesota to 41.1 and forced 22 turnovers. They were 9 for 20 from 3-point range and assisted on more than half of their baskets (22 of 43). They only turned the ball over 10 times.

So it made me wonder if I’ve come to judge this team with an overly critical eye, or if I was focused on how many fouls the Hawks took (29, their second-highest total of the season) and their free-throw shooting (17 for 25), or if the Hawks actually didn’t play all that great but still managed to deliver a 26-point beatdown, which is the  Timberwolves second-worst loss of the year, which, given that it’s the Timberwolves, is saying something.

Anyway, old news. Onto the Nuggets. Don’t know what you remember from last time, but a refresher. The Hawks were coming back to Philips after the West Coast trip that ended with the blowout loss to Charlotte. It was the second night of a back-to-back, while Denver was in Atlanta for a day or two. To that point, it was their biggest win of the season, I’d argue, a 125-100 win. The Hawks shot 54.5 percent from the floor and outrebounded Denver 44-36. Interestingly, the Nuggets shot 41 free throws, making 36, both season highs for Hawks opponents. The Hawks took 33 fouls, a season high.

For what it’s worth, when I did my story about what statistics Mike Woodson and Rick Sund use, I found a story online about how the Nuggets director of qualitative analysis – can you imagine Red Auerbach having one of those? – was helping the team. George Karl sounded what gave like begrudging credit to him for helping shape the strategy to “winning the free-throw line.”

You'd think a diagram on free-throw shooting form wouldn't have the off hand placed under the ball. Nice kicks, though.

You'd think a diagram on free-throw shooting form wouldn't have the off hand placed under the ball. Nice kicks, though.

Using stats through Monday, Denver was averaging 32.7 free throws per game, far and away best in the league. The second-best team was Orlando at 28.3. The gap between Denver and Orlando was about the same as the one between Orlando and the No. 20 team in the league. (The Hawks were at 23.6)

Getting to the line, as I imagine Karl himself would say, is only part of the equation. Some of the teams close to the top are Charlotte, Washington and Toronto.

Digression alert: In the pursuit of my own quantitative analysis, I just looked at how the division leaders ranked in a number of statistics in search of “What do all good teams do?” Leaving out point differential, my parameters were to find which statistic has the most division leaders in the top 10.

Two had five of the division leaders – opponents points per game and opponents field goal percentage. Perhaps you might have guessed it.

Opponents PPG top 10 – Boston, Portland, Charlotte, Cleveland, Lakers, Detroit, Oklahoma City, Orlando, Dallas, San Antonio. (Hawks are 11)

Opponents FG pct. top 10 – Lakers, Cleveland, Boston, Dallas, Portland, Indiana, Orlando, Oklahoma City, Charlotte, Chicago. (Hawks are 18) (I guess there is a reason Mike Woodson talks about this all the time. I think it’s his favorite statistic. He wants the team to get to 43, 44 percent. Before Minnesota, the Hawks were 45.9.)

end digression

Back to Denver: The thing that I remember most about that game (it was the first game I covered in place of Sekou) was Josh Smith’s block of Chris Andersen, and how he was just all over the floor – 22 points, nine rebounds, seven assists, six blocks and one turnover. Also, Denver was without Kenyon Martin and J.R. Smith. The Nuggets should have them in the lineup, but might not have Chauncey Billups. He was limited in practice Monday and is unsure if he’ll be able to return against the Hawks. That, obviously, is significant.

For what it’s worth, Martin averaged 14.5 points and five rebounds, shooting 56.5 percent from the floor in two games last year against the Hawks.

Two nba.com links on your favorite coach (I guess I’m being literal for some, sarcastic for others).

Woodson as early coach of the year candidate.

Q&A with Woodson.

Denver Post Nuggets beat writer Ben Hochman reports that Karl, who, along with Woodson and Phil Jackson are the only three coaches in the league (I think) on the last year of their contracts (and Jackson is not at all in the same category as Woodson and Karl because Jackson can just say the word and he can come back) has been offered a three-year extension worth $11 million.

On its way to George Karl's house.

On its way to George Karl's house.

Hawks as role models for the Timberwolves, according to the Star-Tribune.

Dime magazine weighs in on if the Hawks can win a championship.

Don’t know if you saw it, but my story on the Hawks’ leading the league in fewest turnovers. I saw Woodson reading it yesterday before the game. That was kind of a weird experience. Part of me wanted to see what he had to say, but, I suppose, another part of me didn’t. I left.

338 comments Add your comment

BONE

December 23rd, 2009
10:58 pm

Wow Josh wtf are u doin.

welikebaseball2

December 23rd, 2009
10:59 pm

Ugh, jumpers, jumpers, jumpers!!!

bigdave

December 23rd, 2009
11:00 pm

no foul… bs

WTF

December 23rd, 2009
11:00 pm

ON Q THEY ATTACK US IN THE PAINT

WTF

December 23rd, 2009
11:01 pm

Big Ray

December 23rd, 2009
11:01 pm

I see every bucket we get, we give up one…plus a single free throw, it seems.

Gee, why doesn’t Woody put Teague in the game? We’d probably win then…right? On a less than sarcastic note, I doubt we could do worse…

WTF

December 23rd, 2009
11:01 pm

ATTACK THE MIDDLE AGAIN

Kiki

December 23rd, 2009
11:02 pm

Horford is out and they increase their lead. Who’s to blame now? i know, i know: Horford!!!

northcyde

December 23rd, 2009
11:02 pm

I trust the coach. At least they got within striking range. We need a 3 minute defensive stand. And leave Teague out of this game.

jlewis

December 23rd, 2009
11:03 pm

Josh and Jamal are reverting back to what they really are…..One a chucker with no shot discipline, and the other a temperment that hurts himself and the team.

welikebaseball2

December 23rd, 2009
11:05 pm

You allow a team to shoot 54% from the field & it’s going to be a long night.

bigdave

December 23rd, 2009
11:06 pm

Nique finially got 1… right… 6 or 7 inches short…

welikebaseball2

December 23rd, 2009
11:06 pm

Stop the presses, a foul call against Denver!

WTF

December 23rd, 2009
11:06 pm

PLENTY OF TIME LEFT

Mac-Town'z Finest 478

December 23rd, 2009
11:06 pm

welikebaseball2, generally speaking, we dont lose and get exposed from teams hitting jump shots. We get exposed down low for having no real center or banger inside.

Teams do what they want in the paint.

TONIGHT, J.R. Smith was just on it.

We can live with teams living and dying by taking jumpers, but constantly getting gutted in the paint is a no.

WTF

December 23rd, 2009
11:06 pm

THEY GO BACK TO THE POST TO NENE

WTF

December 23rd, 2009
11:08 pm

HAVE TO AGREE WITH MAC. WE HAVE TO DOUBLE DOWN TO HELP OUR WEAKNESS IN THE PAINT AND THERE GUARD GO UNGUARDED

patient

December 23rd, 2009
11:08 pm

scared to go to the middle eh? al must be shooting jumpers again

WTF

December 23rd, 2009
11:09 pm

YES WE NEED STOPS AND THEY GO BACK TO THE MIDDLE FOR A SURE BASKET

bigdave

December 23rd, 2009
11:10 pm

grown man move right there from NeNe

Blast

December 23rd, 2009
11:10 pm

Ball Game!!!!

Big Ray

December 23rd, 2009
11:10 pm

Somebody explain to me why we’re allegedly doubling down to the paint when it’s Carmelo and JR who are killing us? Nevemind, it’s obvious what’s going on here…

welikebaseball2

December 23rd, 2009
11:10 pm

Maybe ZaZa can work with Nene this summer & learn how a big man is supposed to finish at the rim!

WTF

December 23rd, 2009
11:10 pm

OK DUNK IN THE MIDDLE AL HAD GOOD SEATS ON THAT ONE HAHAHAHAH

Reggie (The Bird and Indian)

December 23rd, 2009
11:11 pm

That should do it, folks.

bigdave

December 23rd, 2009
11:11 pm

i see it too know Big Ray… NeNe is a load…gifted, smart post player…

O'Brien

December 23rd, 2009
11:11 pm

And who is supposed to be guarding JR Smith? that was his seventh 3 pointer.

And do the Hawks not know how to committ a hard foul? Come on guys. Let them earn it at the line.

Bibby is being outplayed by his guy. Bibby has 4pts, 3 assists. Ty Lawson, a rookie, has 14 points, 3 assists.

bigdave

December 23rd, 2009
11:11 pm

Wabe

December 23rd, 2009
11:12 pm

Swapped buckets all night long, couldn’t put together stops.

WTF

December 23rd, 2009
11:13 pm

THE MAN WHO IS SUPPOSE TO BE GUARDING JR IS SWITCHING TO HELP IN THE POST.

Mac-Town'z Finest 478

December 23rd, 2009
11:13 pm

see J.R. is just on it

WTF

December 23rd, 2009
11:13 pm

THIS GAME IS OVER

Mac-Town'z Finest 478

December 23rd, 2009
11:13 pm

If it wasnt for J.R. this would be a game

bigdave

December 23rd, 2009
11:14 pm

the refs in Chicago must have put a call out on Josh… he hasnt been able to play his game all trip…

WTF

December 23rd, 2009
11:15 pm

DAVID THOMPSON!

BONE

December 23rd, 2009
11:16 pm

Only team that will make J.R. look like Kobe THE ATLANTA HAWKS

Blast

December 23rd, 2009
11:16 pm

I want some of whatever JR Smith has been smoking!

welikebaseball2

December 23rd, 2009
11:17 pm

Mac-Townz: I too would love a “true center” so we could move Horford to PF & Josh to SF. I just don’t think that’s our so-called weakness. Maybe last year it was, but we’ve scored tons of points in the paint this year & have been far better than average in defending the paint (overall). I’ll absolutely take giving up jumpers before I will layups…but not WIDE OPEN jumpers. We’ve given up too many of those tonight. If you don’t give up layups yet lack perimeter defense, the good teams will still kill you with WIDE OPEN jumpers. As for J.R., I agree. Not much could’ve stopped him tonight.

WTF

December 23rd, 2009
11:17 pm

TEAGUE!

lIKE THE ANNOUNCER SAID IN THE OLD DAYS HE WOULD NOT GET ANOTHER SHOT. BUT THESE HAWKS ARE SOFT

Kiki

December 23rd, 2009
11:17 pm

This game is called J.R.Smith.

bigdave

December 23rd, 2009
11:17 pm

who gonna put him on his back?

bigdave

December 23rd, 2009
11:18 pm

we need a goon on the roster…

Big Ray

December 23rd, 2009
11:18 pm

Reasons why we lost the game:

Teague only played 2 and a half minutes.

Nene had 15 and 8, and Kenyon had 14 and 8. Meanwhile, Al Horford only had 18 and 10. Both guys outperformed Al by themselves.

JR Smith’s 41 points and 10 wide open three pointers had nothing to do with it, except Al Horford is responsible for his teammates not guarding who they are supposed to guard, because they want to go hold his hand in the post.

WTF

December 23rd, 2009
11:18 pm

ITS NOT A MATTER OF US SCORING ITS A MATTER OF US DEFENDING TOO. IN FACT THE DEFENDING IS MORE IMPORTANT

Kiki

December 23rd, 2009
11:20 pm

I agree with you Bigdave. A hard foul should be given

WTF

December 23rd, 2009
11:20 pm

MR RAY ITS NOT THE BOX SCORE IT WHEN AND HOW. WHEN THEY HAD A MUST NEED BASKET THEY WENT (LIKE EVERY BODY ELSE) TO THE PAINT. WE CANT STOP ANY BODY FROM COMING INSIDE ON US. GOD FORBID IF WE LOSE JOSH

bigdave

December 23rd, 2009
11:21 pm

they leaving him in cause we nice guys… cats like Marvin helping Nuggets up off the floor… while Kenyon and co. play hard and physical… bumping… hip checking…

WTF

December 23rd, 2009
11:21 pm

WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A FIGHT!

Jody

December 23rd, 2009
11:21 pm

Though some may not like it, lack of size in the front court is a legitimate issue for the Hawks. Their not doubling down for nothing.

Kiki

December 23rd, 2009
11:23 pm

WTF, when they needed a basket JR made it, or Carmelo, or even Lawson made it. It was poor collective performance on defense.