Denver – This is a little later than promised (something the editors at my paper have heard more than a few times from me). I thought there’d be Internet access on the plane, but there was not. (I’ve since landed, and am now at a little table finishing up, before going to get my car.)
Anyway, my thoughts on Minnesota.
As I watched the game in the estimable company of Hawks sideline reporter James Verrett and Hawks PR man Arthur Triche, my impression was that the game was a little raggedy, that the Hawks weren’t really sharp and no one, save Joe Johnson and Jamal Crawford, played all that well. Minnesota was getting open looks at the basket and had more energy.

The man the Hawks call "Big Country"
But, looking at the box score, and certainly the final score, it would certainly indicate that the Hawks dominated. The Hawks shot 48.9 percent and held Minnnesota to 41.1 and forced 22 turnovers. They were 9 for 20 from 3-point range and assisted on more than half of their baskets (22 of 43). They only turned the ball over 10 times.
So it made me wonder if I’ve come to judge this team with an overly critical eye, or if I was focused on how many fouls the Hawks took (29, their second-highest total of the season) and their free-throw shooting (17 for 25), or if the Hawks actually didn’t play all that great but still managed to deliver a 26-point beatdown, which is the Timberwolves second-worst loss of the year, which, given that it’s the Timberwolves, is saying something.
Anyway, old news. Onto the Nuggets. Don’t know what you remember from last time, but a refresher. The Hawks were coming back to Philips after the West Coast trip that ended with the blowout loss to Charlotte. It was the second night of a back-to-back, while Denver was in Atlanta for a day or two. To that point, it was their biggest win of the season, I’d argue, a 125-100 win. The Hawks shot 54.5 percent from the floor and outrebounded Denver 44-36. Interestingly, the Nuggets shot 41 free throws, making 36, both season highs for Hawks opponents. The Hawks took 33 fouls, a season high.
For what it’s worth, when I did my story about what statistics Mike Woodson and Rick Sund use, I found a story online about how the Nuggets director of qualitative analysis – can you imagine Red Auerbach having one of those? – was helping the team. George Karl sounded what gave like begrudging credit to him for helping shape the strategy to “winning the free-throw line.”

You'd think a diagram on free-throw shooting form wouldn't have the off hand placed under the ball. Nice kicks, though.
Using stats through Monday, Denver was averaging 32.7 free throws per game, far and away best in the league. The second-best team was Orlando at 28.3. The gap between Denver and Orlando was about the same as the one between Orlando and the No. 20 team in the league. (The Hawks were at 23.6)
Getting to the line, as I imagine Karl himself would say, is only part of the equation. Some of the teams close to the top are Charlotte, Washington and Toronto.
Digression alert: In the pursuit of my own quantitative analysis, I just looked at how the division leaders ranked in a number of statistics in search of “What do all good teams do?” Leaving out point differential, my parameters were to find which statistic has the most division leaders in the top 10.
Two had five of the division leaders – opponents points per game and opponents field goal percentage. Perhaps you might have guessed it.
Opponents PPG top 10 – Boston, Portland, Charlotte, Cleveland, Lakers, Detroit, Oklahoma City, Orlando, Dallas, San Antonio. (Hawks are 11)
Opponents FG pct. top 10 – Lakers, Cleveland, Boston, Dallas, Portland, Indiana, Orlando, Oklahoma City, Charlotte, Chicago. (Hawks are 18) (I guess there is a reason Mike Woodson talks about this all the time. I think it’s his favorite statistic. He wants the team to get to 43, 44 percent. Before Minnesota, the Hawks were 45.9.)
end digression
Back to Denver: The thing that I remember most about that game (it was the first game I covered in place of Sekou) was Josh Smith’s block of Chris Andersen, and how he was just all over the floor – 22 points, nine rebounds, seven assists, six blocks and one turnover. Also, Denver was without Kenyon Martin and J.R. Smith. The Nuggets should have them in the lineup, but might not have Chauncey Billups. He was limited in practice Monday and is unsure if he’ll be able to return against the Hawks. That, obviously, is significant.
For what it’s worth, Martin averaged 14.5 points and five rebounds, shooting 56.5 percent from the floor in two games last year against the Hawks.
Two nba.com links on your favorite coach (I guess I’m being literal for some, sarcastic for others).
Woodson as early coach of the year candidate.
Denver Post Nuggets beat writer Ben Hochman reports that Karl, who, along with Woodson and Phil Jackson are the only three coaches in the league (I think) on the last year of their contracts (and Jackson is not at all in the same category as Woodson and Karl because Jackson can just say the word and he can come back) has been offered a three-year extension worth $11 million.

On its way to George Karl's house.
Hawks as role models for the Timberwolves, according to the Star-Tribune.
Dime magazine weighs in on if the Hawks can win a championship.
Don’t know if you saw it, but my story on the Hawks’ leading the league in fewest turnovers. I saw Woodson reading it yesterday before the game. That was kind of a weird experience. Part of me wanted to see what he had to say, but, I suppose, another part of me didn’t. I left.
338 comments Add your comment
O'Brien
December 23rd, 2009
9:56 pm
Guys,
There is a reason Denver is 12-1 at home. And we played last night. Plus we beat them by 25 in our building, so I’m sure they want some payback.
I guess I’m just trying to keep it in perspective.
WTF
December 23rd, 2009
9:56 pm
11-1 THIS YEAR BUT WE ARENT OUT OF THIS GAME. IF WE CAN X OUT NENE AND MATCH THERE SHOOTERS IT WILL COME DOWN TO THE WIRE
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
December 23rd, 2009
9:56 pm
We need a REAL post presence, simple.
Blast
December 23rd, 2009
9:57 pm
That’s the trick! Put Joe on JR Smith!
JeJe
December 23rd, 2009
9:57 pm
Lol @ Big Ray. Typical putting words in my mouth. You made a comment that Bibby can only not guard a handful of guards. I disproved your point. I also said Teague should’ve GOTTEN MORE MINUTES LAST NIGHT. Apparently that means he should have been starting according to you.
And has anyone noticed that Woody will not call out Joe or Marvin or any of his “sacred cows” when they do st uff wrong? However, Jamal gets yelled at when he does things Joe does
WTF
December 23rd, 2009
9:58 pm
KEEP TEAGUE OUT OF THE GAME
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
December 23rd, 2009
9:58 pm
bonehead mistake
bigdave
December 23rd, 2009
9:58 pm
thats why i cant stand when they bring the ball up… give the ball to a guard… and sprint
WTF
December 23rd, 2009
9:58 pm
HORFORD CAN CREATE OR DRIBBLE.
BONE
December 23rd, 2009
9:59 pm
Damn do the hawks know the meaning of boxing ouT???
WTF
December 23rd, 2009
9:59 pm
HORFORD HAS TO SHUT OUT NENE IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A CHANCE
BONE
December 23rd, 2009
10:00 pm
Marvin THE GOOF LMAO
WTF
December 23rd, 2009
10:00 pm
HE PUSHED MARVIN BIG TIME
JeJe
December 23rd, 2009
10:00 pm
This is the part of the game where Woody needs to get a T to fire up the guys.
And Marvin sucks on defense. I saw Nene catch a pass in the post, Marvin sees he has the ball, then just looks at him. Then he gives Melo 3 feet of space to shoot.
idiot
WTF
December 23rd, 2009
10:02 pm
MAC IF WE GET A POST PRESENCE WE DONT HAVE TO CHEAT DOWN AND COULD EASILY MAN UP AND NOT RUN SWITCHING
Ramon
December 23rd, 2009
10:03 pm
The Hawks are playing good in my mind. The reason they were so sloppy in the first half was because of that first breathe that you lose anytime you play at Denver. Every team in the league struggles against Denver the first game they play there because of that ‘BURN’ that comes in the first quarter, and usually takes 5-10 minutes before it leaves. The difference in the game right now is J.R. Smith. I look for the Hawks to come back and pull away in the third quarter. I truly see the Hawks being able to win this game by more than 10 if they get back to driving the lane. Because once Denver (a team that I really like) gets behind, all they do is shoot jumpers and threes without Billups.
WTF
December 23rd, 2009
10:03 pm
YEA, A SCORE FROM HOFFY , NEED MORE OF THAT
BONE
December 23rd, 2009
10:04 pm
We’re letting J.R. Smith look like Kobe. Seriously
O'Brien
December 23rd, 2009
10:04 pm
Marvin’s defense has been horrible, but he’s not the only one. Bibby and Crawford re not giving us much on defense either.
I also hate it when Josh or Al bring the ball down. I know they score sometimes, but I wish they would give it up to JJ or Bibby.
WTF
December 23rd, 2009
10:04 pm
STRONG MOVE MARV
welikebaseball2
December 23rd, 2009
10:04 pm
Dear Woody,
We have a bench! It’s okay to trust them!
Sincerely,
Ugh!
Melvin
December 23rd, 2009
10:06 pm
These Nuggets announcers are funny. the replay clearer showed Josh didnt foul Melo. What are they talking about..
bigdave
December 23rd, 2009
10:06 pm
thats good D… bs!! good D moe
Melvin
December 23rd, 2009
10:06 pm
Oh well Melo gets a makeup call against Mo….
WTF
December 23rd, 2009
10:06 pm
GHOST FOUL
Melvin
December 23rd, 2009
10:07 pm
Crawford got foul on that 3pt shot….
WTF
December 23rd, 2009
10:09 pm
BRING IN MARCUS CAMBY TO GUARD NENE AND LET JOE AND CRAWFORD MO EVAN AND JOSH SMITH RUN FOR A WHILE…..OH THATS RIGHT WE DONT HAVE MARCUS CAMBY
Big Ray
December 23rd, 2009
10:09 pm
JeJe ,
Miss this part?
Oh wait. You didn’t say that either, did you? Well, not in so many words.
I’m glad you’re laughing. Because I AM making fun of you.
Don’t take that stuff so seriously. I agree that it would have been nice to see Teague get more minutes. I don’t know why he didn’t. But Bibby was doing just fine. That’s all I was saying.
As for your comment about matchups, that’s where you’re getting yourself hung up. YOUR quote, since we don’t want me to look like I’m putting words in your mouth:
Ray, it doesn’t matter if he’s their starter. It’s about matchups. Bibby cannot guard anybody, especially quick rookies. So let teague get minutes on someone of SIMILAR ABILITY.
You said it’s about matchups, right? Then you also said that Bibby can’t guard ANYBODY, or did I read that wrong? I don’t think I did. So what are you telling me? That Teague should be playing more and guarding the guys that Bibby can’t? Well, since he can’t guard ANYBODY, then that must mean that Teague should start, right? I mean, that’s where your logic leads us, does it not? After all, it’s all about matchups. You also said that Teague should be guarding guys with similar ability. Who might those people be, exactly?
By the way, THIS is what I said about Bibby:
Bibby is only overmatched by a handful of point guards”
To me, that would include the guys you mentioned. I never argued that. You say you forgot a ton more guys. Well, there are only about what, 31 teams in the NBA? I’m sure you can remember who they all are. Ooops, forgot again. Bibby can’t guard ANYBODY. That would mean there are at least 31 guys he can’t guard. Your’e right. It’s more than a handful.
Big Ray
December 23rd, 2009
10:15 pm
Heh.
This just gets funnier and funnier. We gotta stop Nene. Yeah, Nene and his huge contribution of six points and six rebounds. What’s Horford got? 10 points and 7 rebounds? OMG…that must be a scorer’s table mistake. No way can he be doing better than Nene, and no way could Nene have only six points. I mean, he’s the one killing us, right? Nevermind the 4 guys who have more points than he does.
I know why we’re losing. It’s because Horford can’t outplay Nene, and Bibby is doubling up on Nene (with Horford) when he’s supposed to be guarding JR Smith. Yeah, that’s the ticket….
Big Ray
December 23rd, 2009
10:17 pm
Bleh…halftime. I’m outta here.
Reggie (The Bird and Indian)
December 23rd, 2009
10:18 pm
Jamal is a bit trigger happy sometimes isn’t he? And I’m glad to see he’s taken Flip’s role in the buzzer beater shots. (That they never make) Nonetheless, he has kept us in the game with some of his shots.
WTF
December 23rd, 2009
10:18 pm
YEAH, WE GOT TO KEEP IT UP, AND NOT MAKE STUPID DRIBBLING TURNOVERS. IT DOES HELP MUCH WHEN THEY END UP EQUAL. WE NEED A CLEAR DOMINANCE
Wabe
December 23rd, 2009
10:19 pm
Hawks need to find a way to cut down on those turnovers and get a body on JR Smith. Denver seems to be hitting on all cylinders, guys like K-Mart are stepping out and drilling jumpers on the Hawks.
I don’t expect the Nuggets to shoot as well as they did in that first half – we’ll see. JJ needs to find a way to get it going. I like all of the assists in the first half, but he’s got to find shots through the flow of the offense. Jamal have had a good half, but not Bibby. Bibby had 2 great shots in transition to cut into that lead and missed both. Also, Horford and Smoove need to pick it up down-low. Others must step up if we want to walk out of Denver with a W.
Blast
December 23rd, 2009
10:19 pm
As well as Denver has played at home and as badly as Hawks have missed shots, Hawks still have a chance in this game. For them to pull it off though, Bibby has to make some three’s, Joe has to score more, like his assists numbers, and Hawks have to slow down Nuggets without fouling. Hawks have no chance of winning if these do not happen.
Sautee
December 23rd, 2009
10:21 pm
Truth-Serum
December 23rd, 2009
7:12 pm
The answer is blocks
The question is what is a major tool used in protecting the middle.
mystery, where is horford the center?
Do you mean the Horford who had the most blocks (3) of anyone on the floor last night? That Al Horford?
WTF
December 23rd, 2009
10:22 pm
I JUST WANT A POST WHOE CAN STOP GUYS FROM RUNNING DOWN OUR THROATS AND OPENING THE OUTSIDE FOR THE OTHER TEAM. WHO CARES IF THEY BOTH SCORE 15 PTS.
Kiki
December 23rd, 2009
10:23 pm
Well Big Ray, you said it yourself: no matter what happens, blame Horford!!!
Sautee
December 23rd, 2009
10:24 pm
Nene: 6 pts, 6 reb
Al: 10 pts, 7 reb
Too bad our center is so weak.
WTF
December 23rd, 2009
10:25 pm
I AGREE, I SAW THAT STAT AND HORFORD WAS NOT ON THE LIST OF BLOCKERS. HE NO DEFENDER. YOU ARE RIGHT SAUTIE
Blast
December 23rd, 2009
10:25 pm
Hawks seem more active in the 2nd half. Down 6!
WTF
December 23rd, 2009
10:26 pm
BIBBY NEEDS TO SHOOT
northcyde
December 23rd, 2009
10:26 pm
What? People don’t like the fact that we’re down 12 in one of the toughest venues to play in the league? LOL
They could be down a lot more.
Let’s see if the Hawks can turn this game into a grindfest in the 2nd half. Time to tighen up the screws defensively.
JJ with 8 assists in the first half. I wonder if he ends up with 17 assists, if people will say that he passed TOO MUCH?
Gotta love some in this fan base.
Go Hawks . . . use the first 6 minutes ti get back into the game.
WTF
December 23rd, 2009
10:27 pm
MARVIN IS HAVING A GOOD GAME
WTF
December 23rd, 2009
10:27 pm
NO DEFENSE IN THE PAINT
WTF
December 23rd, 2009
10:29 pm
WE NEED TO RETALIATE OR THEY WILL MUSCLE US AROUND THE LEAGUE. WE ARE ALREADY SOFT
WTF
December 23rd, 2009
10:30 pm
WHERE IS HORFORD?
WTF
December 23rd, 2009
10:31 pm
BOUT TIME
WTF
December 23rd, 2009
10:32 pm
CAN HE PLAY D
WTF
December 23rd, 2009
10:32 pm
SISSY FOUL CALL
WTF
December 23rd, 2009
10:33 pm
THATS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT NOW FEED HIM