Zaza, the Jazz and some links

Utah will be another big test. I’m looking forward to both teams play their best ball. We’ll need to be at our best on D, rebounding and moving the ball on offense. A great litmus test tonight for both teams.

Hawks by 5 is my prediction in a tight game to the wire.

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FIRE SUND AND Ken Sugiura, oh, thats right ken is gone soon! Yeah! one down, one to go!

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I agree with everyone that the Jazz will be another good test for the Hawks. Even though we are at home and frankly more talented. We all know the Jazz will not fold after getting down. They are a tough, well coached team, so it will be a dogfight.

I think this is one of the three losses I predicted Ken, but for today…. Go Hawks! spank ‘em.

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Daniel

I think this is one of the three losses I predicted Ken,

Say it ain’t so.

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Ken Sugiura,

I for one will miss your reporting. You provide fun stats and a good amount of posts. I really enjoy you taking questions straight from the blog to the players and coach Woodson. I hope you enjoyed your Hawks experience as much as I enjoyed reading about it.

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Ken – Please tell James Verrett that he is awesome.

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KevinA- I feel a little ashamed about that pick right now. I did pick ‘em to go 7-3 over the 10 games. I don’t care if I lose out on the pick. I want a win!!!

CLYDE- Always great to hear all that positivity and sunshine on a cold, rainy day. Just wanted to let you know that it is ok to enjoy the moments (because ultimately that’s all we have). Be here now.

Ken- Thanks for filling in for us. I hope we haven’t been too difficult of a group. Hopefully, you can parlay this expierence into some more NBA reporting for the paper. Hey, more reporters and commentators is better.

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Undisputed Champ

10:55 am

Woodson has already done well, a point that seems to escape irrational conversation.

Astro Joe, no doubt your first premise is an accurate one. Keep in mind that Sund never completed a championship level tour with the Mavericks. He left them as a good team but not a great one.

In his poker playing efforts concerning Woodson’s salary, he got called out and did not know that Woody was the quality of coach that he is, after all this is Woodsons first head coaching assignment. Now that its clear(should be after five + years) that Woodson is showing first tier ability, to have offered an 2-3 year extension at the current rates would now seem like a steal.

Right now Woodson’s hawks are writing history with what has taken place over these past 5+ years. Its a great story and a great epic that we are privileged to witness. Make no mistake about it. No doubt woodson’s stock has risen and will continue to rise with each win.

I guess ESPN, and TNT have taken note.The coach’s polls have, and opposing teams have. This team is well coached and well prepare and has perfect unity and chemistry, a sign of an excellent coach. Those are facts, not opinions.

Let the naysayers , and prophets of doom continue to falsely prophesy.The more talent you add to the hawks the more Woodson utilizes has options and the more victories we achieve. – GO HAWKS.

Undisputed Champ

11:06 am

KevinA I dont know if youve ever play high level basketball, but…. you shoot the long range shots and the threes even when you slump. You do that to hone your skill. You shoot right through the slump, which is going to happen to every body and his momma.

At the end of the day (season) the percentages play out. Its hard to gauge talent by micro analyzing.

I do agree with you Boozer is a load. Their offense is the retrofit of the Malone/Stockton exchange. It seems to be the only offense Sloan knows. He never won a championship with it, but is perennially good.

The bottom line is execution. The coach doesnt play. If you accept the style of offense (buy in) then you execute it. They have the right tools to pick and roll and they execute. We have the right tools to run multiple styles of offense and we also execute.

Who ever executes best tonight will win!

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Ken Sugiura, as far as im concerned my experience with you is that you are, unfair, intolerant of contra-wise opinions and you cater to favorites. I would hope that the leader of the site would not be narrow in those endeavors.

Having said that, I wish you well where ever you go and thanks for the experience of getting to know you.

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JerryWest you are funny, you did mean that as a joke right, comparing Horford to MAGIC, thats funny man!!

I do agree with the comparing of Oakley to Horford. Thats a perfect equation. Good Job!

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What blog has Joe Mana been reading?

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Dap01 as politely as I can say this; people often read with an opinionated heart. They interpret what they read by what their heart is telling them, not what is actually written.

Let me give you an example. Go back and read my post in question. Do you see any where the word Blog or for that much writing is mentioned?

I just reread it and I could not find any criticism of his writing or blogging, if you will.

I hope I spelled your moniker correctly, I don’t want to offend you presumptuously, Sir.

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you get the big Atlanta Hawks Boner!

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Ken, you did a great job with the Tech blogs, and things are going great here in Hawksville. Keep it going my man! We’ve just got to get you some connections with “Sources” now! haha! See you all at Philips!

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Joe Mamma- you wrote “my expierence of you (is that) you are, unfair, intolerant of contra-wise[sic] opinions and you cater to favorites”… and then you later “correct” dap by saying you never mentioned blog or writing. No you just commented IN BLOG FORM, on Ken’s Blog about your “expierence” of him. Yeah, clearly it is others like myself and dap who just go off the deep end and assume your expierence meant his writing and blogging.

Look, if you have or had some “personal” expierence with Ken that you are referring to, then frankly, shame on you for casting your opinions in a public format.
If you are talking about Ken’s interaction on the public level through the press, then you are totally off base, because I, like many others, have read every single word Ken has written on the blogs and don’t find him controversial at all.

In that case, I suggest that you take your own insight and remember that “people often read with an opionated heart.”

I think you owe the man an apology.

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Undisputed Champ,

KevinA I dont know if youve ever play high level basketball, but…. you shoot the long range shots and the threes even when you slump. You do that to hone your skill. You shoot right through the slump, which is going to happen to every body and his momma.

At the end of the day (season) the percentages play out. Its hard to gauge talent by micro analyzing.

I think you make an exellent point. Slumps and hot streaks should have nothing to do with it. The Jazz shoot around 12 3 pt shots per game – we shoot around 18.

Boozer has shot 371 times with a .555 FG% Al has shot 233 times with a .571 FG%
Don’t you think it would be smart for Al to get some of those shots since he is clearly more efficient?

If Al got a couple more shots per game, do you think it would help the Hawks prepare for the play offs?

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O’brien-I was thinking the same thing if D Will is eating Bibby’s lunch we should play Teague more. Some body said it on the last blog but its really hard at times for opposing guards to get the ball in the post when he’s in vs Bibby…… He is a sticky defender that could present more of a challenge.

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Daniel, you are right.

Ken, I apologize that Daniel is attacking me for my view of my experience with you. that was derived in this forum ,and is the forum that I replied in.

Further, I feel that if you have something to say that you are man enough to say it yourself and don’t need an Idol gossiper b!tch to get in whats between you and me.

I’m sorry we are having this experience.

Daniel, I did not judge your salutation because it was between you and Ken. You cant force your opinion to become my opinion. We have different opinions and experiences.

I wont be replying to you. I ignored you last year, but gave you the benefit of the doubt.

Its time for my Big Ray Rule.

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As Teague gets more comfortable I think his quickness will be an assett against quicker guards on the defensive end. Bibby seems to be enjoying having Crawford and Teague around. Seems to let him play his strengths while resting during mismatches where others can fill in better. I think this relationship will only get stronger with each day that passes.

We gotta watch Korver coming back on the perimeter tonight. 3rd game back. He went 3-4 in his last game in limited action.

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Joe-
I appreciate that you will be ignoring me in the future, and I would also ask that you don’t not insult me on a personal level (Idol gossiper @#$%). I am sorry that you felt “attacked” when I inquired as to your “expierence” since I have read the same material and don’t see what you are talking about. I guess I was confused since you seemed to need to correct dap’s comments that your were not refering to “Blog or for that much writing” when talking about your “expierence” with Ken. I guess asking for clarification and/or standing behind what your write is considered an attack.

Thank you and Merry Christmas.

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Hey Daniel,
As far as joe mama is concerned:, “What’s your issue?…. that is just weird”
Naw its not weird,ITS WEED!!!
WHAT IS HE ON???

I ALONG WITH OTHERS WILL MISS U KEN,BUT HEY,U CAN GET ON HERE EVERYNOW AND THEN AND LET PEEPS KNOW WHAT U ARE DOING OR ADD YOUR 2 CENTS IN..
THATS IF U FEEL LIKE IT..

GOD BLESS..

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Undisputed Champ!- That was a nice break down on Boozer and Horford. I would only add to what you say in that Horford also is involved in the offense more on fast breaks both as a finisher and instigator in ways that Boozer is not.

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If the Playoffs started today, we’d be the #2 seed. But unfortunately, it doesn’t.

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WOODY IS USING HIS BENCH,TEAGUE IS GETTING MORE PLAYING TIME,THE STARTERS ARE GETTING REST,AND WE ARE BLOWING PEOPLE OUT!!!!

DO U THINK HE OR SOMEONE IS LISTENING TO US??
OR,WAS THIS JUST HIS PLAN ALL ALONG??
OR,THE INJURY TO BIBBS AND SMITH CREATED THIS??
OR WHAT??

BECAUSE,IF WHAT MOST OF US HAVE BEEN SCREAMING OUT FOR HE AND HIS COACHING STAFF TO DO WITH THIS TEAM,AND NOW BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASONS,HE’S DOING IT AND WE’RE LOOKING BETTER AND BLOWING PEOPLE OFF THE COURT IN DOING SO,THEN,MAYBE HE DOES NEED TO WALK AFTER THE SEASON..

NBA TITLE OR NO NBA TITLE..

IT DIDN’T TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO SEE WHAT THIS TEAM HAS AND WHAT HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING SINCE DAY ONE..

WE COULD HAVE BEEN IN THE FIGHT WITH THE SAINTS AND COLTS AS FAR AS HAVING AN UNDEFEATED SEASON BY NOW..

NO?? U DON’T THINK SO??

ME EITHER..

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I thought this would be a good time to share a story with all of you. I lived in Evansville, Indiana. The summer after 8th grade, I attended the Arad McCutcheon basketball camp. Coach McCutcheon was then the Coach of the Evansville College Aces basketball team. At one camp session, a player who had been the star of the Evansville College basketball team and just finished his first year with the Bullets in the NBA came to the camp to work with us. His name was Jerry Sloan.

All of us took turns guarding Jerry and one of the thrills of my basketball career was when he complemented me on my defense. After camp my parents had some kind of mix up and were very late picking me up. While I waited, out of the gym walks Jerry Sloan. He saw me and remembered me and stopped and asked why I was still there. Instead of going on about his business, he stayed and sat with me and we talked for about half an hour until my Mother finally came driving up in a panic. He then said goodbye and I jumped in the car–end of story.

This is a small event that I am sure he doesn’t even recall. I just wanted to share it. He went on, of course, to become a great player for the Bulls and a great Coach for the Jazz. But, basically, when I see him interviewed I see the same humble, decent man that I spent time with that day. With the craziness of our times, I thought some of you might enjoy knowing their are still people like Jerry Sloan out there.

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nunna- I think it is because Woodson needed some time to let the Bibby/Johnson/Crawford rotation get worked out and the players settle into each other. Took about a quarter of the season, which is what I was saying all along.

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“nunna- I think it is because Woodson needed some time to let the Bibby/Johnson/Crawford rotation get worked out and the players settle into each other. Took about a quarter of the season, which is what I was saying all along.”

I do believe he said that at the beginning of the season that it would take time to set the rotations.

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undisputed champ- I did apologize for his feelings of being “attacked” I think I made myself very clear. Also, this is a public format where opinions are shared and commented on. If his comment is not meant for me or anyone else to comment on, then this is the wrong format to post his opinions. I do not have an issue with anyone’s opinions about what I write as long as they don’t personally insult or use profanity. seems fair to me.

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was anybody watching the last game vs the grizzlies and the camera was on woodson trying to call teague. He trying to get his attention and called him “rook” about three times and then said “jeff”. He got his attention after that. I just thought it was funny to hear coach calling the jeff teague “rook”! I am sure thats the name he call him all the time even in practice.

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Undisputed Champ

10:55 am

Whats up?

Woodson has already done well, a point that seems to escape irrational conversation.

Astro Joe, no doubt your first premise is an accurate one. Keep in mind that Sund never completed a championship level tour with the Mavericks. He left them as a good team but not a great one.

In his poker playing efforts concerning Woodson’s salary, he got called out and did not know that Woody was the quality of coach that he is, after all this is Woodsons first head coaching assignment. Now that its clear(should be after five + years) that Woodson is showing first tier ability, to have offered an 2-3 year extension at the current rates would now seem like a steal.

Right now Woodson’s hawks are writing history with what has taken place over these past 5+ years. Its a great story and a great epic that we are privileged to witness. Make no mistake about it. No doubt Woodson’s stock has risen and will continue to rise with each win.

I guess ESPN, and TNT have taken note.The coach’s polls have, and opposing teams have. This team is well coached and well prepare and has perfect unity and chemistry, a sign of an excellent coach. Those are facts, not opinions.

Let the naysayers , and prophets of doom continue to falsely prophesy.The more talent you add to the hawks the more Woodson utilizes has options and the more victories we achieve. – GO HAWKS.

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Idiot Watch

December 17th, 2009
6:45 pm

“FOR THOSE WHO INSIST ON CLAIMING WOODSON IS COACHING THE WAY HE’S ALWAYS COACHED AND/OR IT’S HIS COACHING THAT’S MADE THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IN HOW THIS TEAM HAS DONE, PLEASE TELL ME WHY WE HAVEN’T ACHIEVED( SIMULAR) RESULTS AND CONSISTENCY BEFORE NOW” – Idiot!

2005 Roster
12 Kenny Anderson
20 Jon Barry
1 Josh Childress
40 Jason Collier
00 Tony Delk
13 Boris Diaw
14 Predrag Drobnjak
54 Obinna Ekezie
7 Tom Gugliotta
3 Al Harrington
36 Royal Ivey
10 Tyronn Lue
34 Jelani McCoy
2 Anthony Miller
15 Donta Smith
5 Josh Smith
44 Michael Stewart
0 James Thomas
8 Antoine Walker
42 Kevin Willis

2005-06
1 Joe Johnson
2 Al Harrington
3 Zaza Pachulia
4 Marvin Williams
5 Tyronn Lue
6 Tony Delk
7 Josh Childress
8 Jason Collier
9 Josh Smith
10 John Edwards
11 Salim Stoudamire
12 Donta Smith
13 Royal Ivey
14 Esteban Batista
15 John Thomas

2007-8
1 Joe Johnson
2 Speedy Claxton
3 Marvin Williams
4 Zaza Pachulia
5 Tyronn Lue
6 Lorenzen Wright
7 Shelden Williams
8 Josh Childress
9 Anthony Johnson
10 Josh Smith
11 Royal Ivey
12 Salim Stoudamire
13 Solomon Jones
14 Esteban Batista
15 Stanislav Medvedenko
16 Cedric Bozeman
17 Matt Freije
18 Dijon Thompson
19 Jeremy Richardson

2005 roster has 11 guys who are no longer in pro basketball
2006 has 8
2007 has 9

Where is the talent? Depth? Better question is how did he get better and better each year with this Shyt?

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I am neither a bull nor a china shop.

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Champ,

I’m a firm believer that Shaq is too old and he’s negatively impacted the Cavs. They do have 2 huge bigs, but we have speed, athleticism and team play that can overcome the Cavs. My main concern with the Cavs is the whistle and Lebron. I’m not worried about their bigs.

Dwight and Vince are a different challenge. I didn’t mean I wish they’d be out or injured to “bring them down to our level”. I meant that Dwight hasn’t really put it all together yet. Team him with an “All-Star” who has never proven he can win in the playoffs and you’ve got an unstable combo. VC is a great player, but he didn’t win with Jefferson & Kid. I don’t think he’ll be the difference this year.

I firmly believe the Celtics are our stiffest challenge. Yes we can beat them. I think we can beat all 3 if we play our style of ball. They all have trouble matching up with us as much as we do them. We’ve gotta keep growing each day. Our bench bigs are vitally important to knocking off the Cavs and Magic.

I think we have what it takes. We don’t have to rise to anyone’s level. We just gotta prove what we’ve got will work. And we will.

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Fundamentals- I think Orlando presents are biggest match up problem. we actually have a similar talent make up to the C’s its just youth/energy vs. age/expierence.

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There is a lot of weaknesses and handicaps that Woodson’s switching is covering up.

Josh’s game and Lewis’s game are different in style, technique and execution so I dont see that as a good comparison. Josh as a power forward covers up for the fact that we dont have a center to enforce the paint.

Josh is a power forward not a center. When he goes out of the game the road to the basket is green lighted because defending the rack is not a strong suit for Horford, who is more like a Dennis Rodman gathering rebounds from missed shots.

Not being able to protect the basket is a weakness and will be exploited in the half court game of the higher levels of the playoffs, coaches will run plays to keep josh out of the paint and force the Horford to face Howard or Shaq 1 one 1.

I sure hope he doesn’t tear an ankle or shoulder out of socket!

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Fundamentals You and I aren’t too far apart. You analysis is based on your “opinion” that Shaq is too old and slow and Orlando doesn’t have the chemistry. None of that is proven, so we are hoping that is the case.

Yes we have proven that we can beat Boston.

Boston has also proved they can beat us.

Only one of the many publications and sports authorities picked us to be higher than a 4th seed, and they largely based that on the fact that we had only 1second tier all star and no legitimate center. Disagree or not, fact is this is the projections based on roster analysis.
Those are concerns that we take through the season and must find answers or deny the overwhelming projections.

Having said that. This team is well coached unified and has great chemistry.

I agree with you that the battle lines are drawn at the center spot. I think we need to solve that concern before we get to the finals. Right now we don’t have the right combination to take on Shaq and/or Howard in the middle.

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Astro Joe , as usual, excellent post!

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Daniel , one of our strengths, as Fundamentals is stressing, is speed and youthful athleticism. We run and gun.

What fundamental knows and you may not be considering is that in the finals of the conference the run and gun will be out. Clock control, slow down and half court sets and isolation match ups will dominate. Our speed and youthful athleticism will be marginalized.

Hopefully Shaq will show his age, hopefully Howard with not connect with Vince, hopefully Boston will play old.

But just in case, Shaq has a lot left and Carter and Howard find a groove, we need to be prepared.

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Fundamentals , final note, The big three are worried too, they like everybody else see we get better and better each game, hour and minute.

WE ARE DOING THE HUNTING!!!

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Just be glad we’re not the Raptors-

http://crashingtheglass.com/2009/502/raptors-republic

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ASTRO JOE-it’s obvious we have a difference of opinion on the matter, and I hold your disagreement in a much higher light than I hold some of these fools that are disagreeing just to promote whole lot of nothing.

You made the following statement: “AN NBA HEAD COACH IS FIRST AND FOREMOST RESPONSIBLE FOR MANAGING A WINNING TEAM, NOT INDIVIDUAL PLAYER DEVELOPMENT”. There’s no way you can use this statement or idiology to justify Woodson poor record of developing players. However, if you really believe that statement, then answer the following questions:

(1)Didn’t Woodson take over a team that was expected to lose far more gms than it would win, and didn’t he manage losing teams for 4 of his 1st 5 seasons as HC?

(2) After being presented with 7 high 1st rd picks, including 4 lottery picks(JChildress, MWilliams, SWilliams, AHorford), 2 picks in 04(JSmith/JChildress), 2 in 07(ALaw/AHorford) and 4 high 2nd rd picks(DSmith, RIvey, SStaudemire, SJones) exactly what do you think the ASG and former GM BKnight expected him to do with all of this young talent if not develop it?

(3)Why do you think the ASG and GM BKnight made it public they intended to blowup the roster to acquire draft picks and build through the draft if they didn’t intend to have the HC do some serious develping of that talent?

(4) How can anyone believe Woodson did a good job when only 3 of those players are still on the roster?

What’s really stupid is how the staunchest advocates of Woodson’s contributions to the growth and development of this team(TRUTH SERUM, ROD FROM CP AND SAMUEL) are the main ones doing all of the complaining about the lack of development of the only 3 remaining picks on the roster(MWilliams, JSmith, AHorford). Isn’t it also ironic that the 2 players that seem to receive the most criticism from these individuals, JSmith and MWilliams, have the most tenue under Woodson.

We have a very talented, quality team and Woodson deserves some to the credit for that, but there’s no way anyone can say this team was built throught the draft or player development when 2/3 of this team is comprised of veterans acquired either though FA or trades.

There are certain teams like the Cavaliers, Spurs, Nuggets, Celtics, Magic, Lakers, Mavericks etc, that wouldn’t hire a HC to develop talent, but you can’t make that blanket statement about all teams, especially the Hawks in 04.

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Grandad, Truth, Big Ray, looks like Bradley took our discussion from last night’s blog and developed an opinion piece around it. You guys consistently lead the pack.

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Strickland, I don’t care that Woody couldn’t win with a bottom 5 payroill team, or that he couldn’t develop Shelden nor Acie (while getting very good produuction from Smith, Childress, Marvin and Horford). I don’t care that 2nd rounders have failed (although Salim had 2 good seasons before he found his way sliding out of the league). If you are telling me that the Hawks are likely to return to a bottom 5 payroll that features 5-6 players on rookie contracts (and a bench of unproven 2nd rounders and undrafted players), then I would terminate Woody now and go hire an assistant coach to grow with the team (again). But if we are more likely to keep a group of young vets in the 23-28 age range, a middle of the pack payroll and a bench of proven vet performers, then we have seen that Woody can be very successful with those variables. Two years ago, Woody predicted a playoff berth when all of the pundits discounted him… he delivered. Last year, he said “home court advantage” and all of the pundits chuckled, he delivered. We are on pace for the best season in 12 years and you want to blame him because Shelden and Acie suck? The collective is on a roll, don’t break up the band.

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Ken Suguira:
You come back and visit when you can.
Merry Christmas

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Ken Strickland,

I you are going to continuously throw my name in your diatribes please speak the truth. I am not a staunch Woodson supporter, I just feel like to continuously talk about how bad he is when he obviously has the team going in the right direction makes you look like an idiot. On the record I never bash anyone on the team except Marvin because he is the only player who gets regular minutes who is a thief. Everyone else on the team is doing what they are paid to do except
Marvin. I also don’t get overly excited about the regular season because the playoffs will expose all weaknesses, coaches and players. Woody will have to show that he can adjust in the playoffs for me to be fully sold. I can actually help him with one adjustment already. TRADE OR BENCH THE WEAK LINK MARVIN WILLIAMS. We can not afford to have a guy on the floor who can not defend elite players at his position, and is a self check on offense. We don’t need the Lebrons, and Pierces of the world to be able to totally leave their man (Marvin) and focus on double and triple teaming JJ. This is my one and only problem with the Hawks, and I personally feel it will be our downfall if it is not understood by playoff time. I personally think that Marvin will continue to play himself out of the starting lineup because he just really is not that good a player, which I have said since the day he was drafted.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-091218/daily-dime-live

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KEVINA-that was an excellent interview, and Woodson handled himself well.

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I didnt realize DWill is averaging 20 pts and 10 assists this season. I wonder what Woody thinks whenever we play CP3 or DWill. Does he wonder what could have been, or he is happy with Marvin and Bibby…

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Matt Harpring: “JJ is one of the most underrated players in this league”

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Why does Josh feel the need to take LONG 2’s

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dang clear path

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Yeah, Josh has given up taking 3’s, but recently, he seems to be taking long 2’s.

Bibby with the turnover and foul. And then knocks down the 3. Thats bad Bibby and good Bibby right there lol

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lol everytime horford miss a shot he claps his hands

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j smoooove

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pass the ball josh? must dont realize hes on fire on both end sof the court

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good crowd in the building tonight people. seem like folks are ready for some a-town basketball!!

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slide Mo… dont put your knee out there…

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we are getting sloppy and relying on jump shots…

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Kobe, Wade, LeBron get that call. Just sayin.

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Astro Joe,Rod from College Park Big Ump, Great posts guys. It would be nice to advance the conversation to the beauty of the hawks season. Great season guys.

We are in the HUNT!!

Rookie Mistake!

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man, what is Teague doing? Foul on Boozer (almost an And 1), and now a foul when Maynor was attempting an end of the quarter buzzer beater.

Teague, come on man. get your head in the game.

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put the starters back in

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id go through Horford…

good to see he get some time with the 2nd unit

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I bet woody is gonna blame Teague for that

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Yuck, Mo with the ugly shot

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good timeout

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check that Tor. NJ score…

that one could get ugly…

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marvin is horrible

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“The Hawks had nimbers”

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Marvin has no vertical…

not explosive at all…

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lol he did say nimbers

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We’ve only shot 3 free throws. Not enough aggression on O.

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killing us on the boards

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And heres goes Josh with those ugly free throws lol

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Horford 4 reb

Boozer 5 reb

Totally blown away.

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lmao@bibby

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LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO @ Bibby and Marvin

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thanks joe for following bibby

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ATL 21 reb

Jazz 22 reb

“Killing us on the boards”

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70-33 daaaaaaaaaamn!

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JJM

ive come to the realization that some nights i just dont think Sheed feels like playing…

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great catch and pass…

cant say enough though about the defense of Joe and Josh…

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sloppy game

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man marvin is horrible

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how about finishing strong Marvin…

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Man deron williams is dumb lol.

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My goodness how many steal does Josh have at this point in the 1st half. I say at least 5 and he may have cause another 3 or 4 from deflections….

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yea that was a dumb foul…guess he was thinkin bout a clear path foul

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look at his f-in stat line…

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Damn Josh don’t be hurt

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J. Smoove is playing out of his mind this year. We are so much better with him on the court especially because of his defensive skills.

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Wow another pass to Al – of course he made it

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Beautiful defence by Hawks, man!

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wooooow josh didnt stutter

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Hawks played good in spurts (especially the starters) but its been a poor shooting 1st half. However, Hawks have played smoothering defense…

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lol@bone

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Look at the half time stat line for Smooth – friggin outstanding. Can we please feed a big the rest of the game?

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Josh is getting us ahead, the poor shooting (too many attempts from outside and bad shots from Craw) are keeping the Jazz in the game…

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NJ got creamed by the refs from the 1st second, they got called for 8 fouls to ZERO in the first couple of minutes of play. They’re bad, but not that bad…

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Sautee – how about all year every game. Our kid bigs are just very good.

On another note – the bench must do better – Josh and Al can’t play every min

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Toronto just wants to have the feeling of blowing another team out the way we did to them 2 times already

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Marvin is 7pts (on 2-4, 1-1, 2-2), 4rb 1ass 0to for 17 minutes, hardly the guy to pick on today

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Marvin having much better game than Jamal, Teague and Bibby – what game are you watching

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Kevin A…you see how Josh just went to the hole smooth and was able to make the shot without looking clumsy?

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Yeahhhhhhhhhh, let’s run baby!!!!!!

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yeah… pick on Marvin Sam…

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For you guys crying about the bench not playing earlier in the year, this is exactly how they were playing 4 – 6 weeks ago. That lead started to immeadiately evaoprate as soon as they stepped onto the floor tonight.

Don’t be surprised if multiple Hawks get close to 38+ minutes tonight, if the game stays within striking distannce for the Jazz. Hopefully the starters can extend the lead in the 3rd.

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like my boy from the Ga lottery commercial…

“smell it”.

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Joe might get a triple double…

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3’s up…

3rd qrt. killings…

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Josh being Josh…

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LOL…. Hawks on a 18-4 run and the Jazz dont want to call another timeout….

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OF COURSE, WHO STOPS THE RUN WITH A BRICK…..YOU CLOWN!!!!!!

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OMG what just happened

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It’s just funny when you have anything that’s generally crappy and then the garbage turns to gold for a rare instance and people are like “oh oh where the haters at now”

Marvin is for the most part garbage….a bright spot here and there is not gonna change that

he probably fumbles groceries taking them out of the bag and falls down trying to put them on the top shelf

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Mactown….LMAO!!!!

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im on record… Joe gets triple double…

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I always knew Hawks would win this game, but just never assumed it would be a blowout.

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well… maybe not.

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Al is 1 rebound away from another double-double. Go get it!!

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…….I just thought about something…..what the h*ll happened to Mario West???

We NEED him for games like this.

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This is the uptempo, fastbreaking style of play that I’ve said all along this team plays best. We are now establishing an identity and showing a lot of consistency. DAMN GOOD JOB HC MIKE WOODSON, AND I GIVE HIM THE CREDIT BECAUSE HE’S MADE THE DECISION TO FINALLY PAY ATTENTION TO DETAILS, LIKE MONITORING HIS PLAYERS MINS AND USING HIS BENCH EXTENSIVELY, NO MATTER WHO WE’RE PLAYING, AND ACCEPT WHAT’S BEST FOR THE TEAM.

There’s no way anyone with a clue can say he’s been doing it this way all along.

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Hawks are looking good. I hope our bench players can maintain the 20 point beatdown.

Ariose, where you at?

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best draft of point guards?

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Love it

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Philly has closed in on Boston…

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Regardless of how many points Marvin has, he is still so clumsy. And how many times does he get his shot blocked lol.

Teague is so quick. Once he learns to finish in traffic (and hit the jumper consistently), he will be almost unstoppable.

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starters getting lots of rest

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Teague has stupid handles…

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Shaq just clothes lined Jennings…

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U gotta luv the Teager, man!

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Yea I’d say this draft is the best draft for points since 2005

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My goodness D.Williams and Boozer combine for 8 pts and 8 turnovers…lol

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As much Kudos we have given the Hawks bench these past couple of games, I must say they played poorly tonight. They gave up 32 pts in the 4th qtr while only scoring 15pts…

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Philly up 1… 29 secs. Bos. ball…

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Extend Woody NOW!!!!

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You know the hawks on a roll when you actually get used to seeing guys like Othello Hunter on the court. That dude is usually behind the bench in the front row fan seats

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Philly wins… yessir…

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Another great game tonite.
Philly beat the C’s.

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disappointing and sloppy garbage minutes tonight… only really negative point worth mentioning.

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Philly beat Celts by one!

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GREAT WIN!

I can’t believe how poorly the Jazz starters played and how great the Hawks defensive was. I wish I could have seen the game, but listening to the game the Jazz turnovers just wouldn’t stop. Great effort by the HAWKS, especially with a game tomorrow night in Chicago. Josh Smith is justing getting better and better at the defensive end, he’s leading the league in blocks/per and his energy is just game changing. I’m shocked by the victory margin!

GO HAWKS!!!

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Jamal and Evans picked a good game to have an off night. No problem because Marvin, Josh and Al went for 18-26. Mercy 18-26? Another 26 assist night – great team ball.

Al was 6-7 – contender for best FG? in the NBA? Give the kid the rock.

Josh MVP of game – once again friggin outstanding. His D changed the entire game. not to mention 5 steals 8 rebounds, 2 blocked shots. As nire has pointed out, the box score does not always tell the tale. Josh took away their offense.

JJ did not have big numbers but his 7 assists were huge. 5 games in a row he has set the tone with unselfish passing.

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Truth Serum,

Lets see, accept the Hawks offer at the end of the year, and return to a team thats been to the playoffs 3 years in a row, or go and become the coach of a young team who is rebuilding, because he feels disrespected by the Hawks and some other team might offer him more money?

A player might change teams because of that, but I dont think a coach will. I think regardless of how much money or how many years they offer Woody at the end of the playoffs, I think he is going to accept the deal.

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I have heard it mentioned a couple of times – maybe the Hawks are just trying to size Woody’s contract. A new one is a done deal. The playoffs decide between 1-4 years. If JJ was smart he would take the offer and go out a winner. Down economy and smaller cap. use your brains kid. You got Al and Josh to ride – what’s not to like?

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Ya’ll know your basketball, so I know this has already been said. But, I feel like saying it too…Josh Smith rocks!! The Kid has really come into his own this season. His maturation as a player is fueling the strong season Atlanta is having. The Hawks are 19-6 and JJ has been a dominant factor in how many games? Smith continues to fill up the stat sheet. Not only is he leading the league in blocks per game, but The Kid is altering many more on the defensive end of the floor. Josh Smith is emerging as the main factor in Atlanta’s success.

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Great win for the Hawks tonight. You know, for all the talk about who the best perimeter defender is, I don’t think anyone on this teams has better anticipation and quicker hands in the passing lanes than J-Smoove. I know alot is made of his shot blocking prowess, but I think he’s just as scary on the perimeter.

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If the Hawks keep winning big, JJ wont get to pad his stats the way he wants to. Or he may not be required (as much) to bail us out in the 4th.

But maybe he wants to stay with the Hawks, but they could only offer 4 years. When his contract expires, I think they can give him up to 6 years. (I would not give him more than 5, and make the 6th year an option).

Truth Serum,

I think Woody will get at least 2 years. But if the Hawks make it to the ECF or NBA finals, he will get at least 3, maybe 4.

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Truth-Serum

January will be a big test, much tougher. But I like the game to game Hawks. Good for Woody and the players so far.

I like the old saying – we are not this good and if we lose 3 of 5 – we are not this bad.

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you know the hire woody folks are just s aggravating and obnoxious as the fire woody guys have been.

was at the game tonight, never have seen a hawks team so involved and intense to dominate a good team like they did for 6 minutes to start the third quarter then finish it out in that quarter. sooo much fun to see them get up with the crowd as they snuffed everything the jazz put up. surprised sloan just let them play without any timeout to stop the onslaught as he had done it earlier in the game with us up 21-10 early after a 21-6 run. maybe he just was his team was not going to compete this night no matter what.

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Truth Serum thanks for the shout out. You can tell by someone post that they are not a Hawk fan. Hawks and the HC looking great and they still complaining. AMAZING. THEY TALKING ABOUT THE PAST AND TRYING TO PREDICT THE FUTURE.

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Big Ump its amazing what people will do rather than admit they were wrong. Kevin, Ditto! O’Brien, you may be right. Lets see what happens.

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It’s funny how many of you so called Josh Smith supporters wanted to trade him for the majority of his career. Now he’s an All-Star in the making, a candidate for Defensive Player of the Year and the catalyst for one of the best Hawks teams in Hawks history. Only negative in this game was the bench in the 4th Quarter.

When is Joe Smith coming back?

-REEcently Roe!!

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TS:
Merry Christmas

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Its ok Post Gamer, thats what Im here for to watch idiot!LOL

We cool, Go Hawks!

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Idiot watch,
This link’s for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBUl7oT9sA

Merry Christmas, dude.

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NBAwiz-o-meter,

I love Hunter and Mo but it makes me cry to think of what it could have been. Josh a perfect fit with these high flying Hawks.

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kevin a just when i think i have forgotten how chills would have fit this team the last two years for marvin money or maybe a bit less, someone brings it up. so far the only mistake that is obvious on sund’s watch. al, j smash, jj, chills and crawford to end games or like tonight end third quarters. geez just got a chill. heh heh

man, do you realize how many short games we have had this year ended by the third quarter. some kind of record there? how many times have the hawks led by twenty going into the fourth quarter in a row?

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For the Ten Game Prediction Record -

Five Games Played

5 Wins 0 Losses

The lowest number of wins anyone predicted, I believe, was 5-5. So far no one is out of the running. And I think we had one person who predicted 10 wins. He is also still in the running.

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Post Gamer thats for you!

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The voice of hate is being silenced!

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RLP,

I was a 9-1 predicter, tough games on the road with Denver and Clev to come. The way were playing I feal much better.

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kevin, i have a gripe with him, none with your comments. he almost lost us smash too if the sixers hadnt been so stupid and pulled their offer off the table to give it to brand. said at the time that josh smith numbers over the length of the contracts would make brands look pale in comparison. since then the folks here on the blog made him up his game with the ridicule they threw at him kind of how woody got sooo much smarter. heh heh

shoot they ought to be glad they have us for such astute guidance.

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doc,

I would like to think our blogs are read. LOL As far as astute guidance goes it depends on who they listen to. Rick on nba.com called us certifiably elite tonight. I would prefer to look at the Hawks at the end of Jan. Do we need a JJ resign? Chills sign? Al with a big raise? Maybe what we really need is another big pocket Hawks owner.

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You lose so much more with Joe than 7 points. Defenses are stacked against him, he is a vital defender, top assist man, and he gives the team confidence. Childress could provide some of that but not in abundance. Besides he could be a part of all this fun and more importantly this TEAM if he had wished. That last item I mentioned
‘confidence’, well that has to be earned, much like respect. I’m not talking about Joe’s confidence but the confidence the team has in itself which is derived from Joe. Parcell’s said: “confidence comes from demonstrated ability” [Joe]. ‘Nuff said.
Childress greatest value to this team will come as trade bait.

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After watching the JJ interview i think he is lost. He is still trying to adjust to the Hawks great play. He is missing his big numbers because of the big blow outs. Does he want money or success. I don’t think he knows. I love the confusion. Josh and Al just talk about the team being unselfish. The more JJ does it the more bench time he earns. lol

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I have never said this about any team that I root for. However I feel this way about the Hawks, and I don’t know if its good or a bad thing but…..The Hawks are playing at Maximum performance right now. I’m not sure they can play any better consistently than they have for the past 5 games.

That is the reason that I am so exited about this road trip plus the home and home w/ the LeBrons. After these 6 games, I think I will know for certain whether this is fools gold, or are we truly legit? And I’m talking about1st or 2nd in the east, reaching the ECF or Finals. For me right now, its all about the next 6. Then we can talk about a rough January…

Ok maybe the Braves have peaked a few times and the ‘98 Falcons too. But thats it.

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Man – this is one exciting team to watch. While it doesn’t supersede talent or hard work, team chemistry defintely has contributed to this team’s hot start.

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RLP-you’re correct in your assessment of me not wanting to blog during gms, although I’ll occassionally make a comment during a break. When watching gms, I like to focus on certain aspects that I think are either hurting or benefiting the team. I like to compare how we fair when we’re playing our constantly switching DEF vs us playing straight man to man with limited switching.

I also like to see how Bibby does playing each type of DEF, and he actually does a good job when playing man to man, as long as he gets help getting over the screen. Having Crawford, who’s a definite OFF/DEF upgrade over FMurray, and giving Teague extended mins, has caused Bibby’s mins to be reduced and has had a positive impact on our overall DEF, especially our on the ball DEF.

You’re also correct in your assessment of the teams ability to get good value in trades for our picks. However, when BKnight became GM, he stated his intent was to build and develop primarily through the draft, not FA. We’ve had success making trades because teams have felt our players had talent and potential that was underutilized by Woodson. It didn’t hurt that we were willing to send multiple picks, along with expiring contracts, in return for one player.

Bottomline, Woodson’s unwillingness or inability to develop the vast majority of our draft picks forced the team to adjust it’s goal and concentrate more on trading our picks rather than retaining them. We traded away what proved to be some pretty good FA talent(JTerry, RWallace, JPryzbilla, AHarrington, SJackson etc)in order to acquire the draft picks we acquired.

All of that wheeling and dealing wasn’t done so we could end up replacing them with more FA’s. When BK made the trade for JJ, it started a long running and very heated debate over BK including 2 1st rd picks in the trade, along with BDiaw. Based on Woodsons poor overall track record in developing talent, those picks most likely would have ended up being traded away for something much less valuable than JJ.

Fortunately, we’ve had 2 GM’s that have been very good at getting this team what it’s needed through trades and FA signings, despite the lack of effective overall player development. We now have a damn good team and a HC that finally seems to be getting it. How well he does in the playoffs will determine if his contract in extended, or for how long.

One other thing. The Wizards and Warriors have decided to breakup their current rosters. Both teams have some quality talent we might be able to use, especially if we fail to resign JJ. If Woodson is retained, we might as well include our present and future draft picks in any trade. Otherwise, we’ll just end up trading them later, if not releasing them outright when their rookie contracts expire.

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Now that the Falcons have done the best thing with Warrick Dunn, maybe the Spirit Group will offer a piece of the action to someone like Chris”Ludicris” Bridges, who has the resources and committment to the community that would increase the franchises value substantially.

Good win against a good team that doesn’t generally play well on the road but rarely gets beaten badly.17,000+ for the Jazz is a very good sign; hope that this is sign of future fan interest.

When Josh develops a consistent 15 foot shot and Randolph Morris develops some aggressivness and upper body strength , the team has an even higher ceiling over the next couple of years.These guys at 23-4 years of age hold a substantial part , along with Calypso Al ,of the teams future in their hands.
Now on to the Windy City.

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Speaking of Chills, we are paying Marvin ~$7.5 mil annually. Would you prefer to pay Chills that amount, or Marvin that amount? (If I’m not mistaken, Chills was offered less than $6 mil per before he went to Greece).

One thing Marvin has over Chills is he is a better shooter. However, in my opinion, Chills has more versatility, and we dont have to worry about his aggressiveness or running plays for him. I always felt like he had more impact on a game than Marvin.

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Ken,

Give me a name of these “quality” Head Coaches that are out there or STFU. (And please don’t tell me Mark Jackson or Avery Johnson). I’m tired of your senseless crap. If you were a man, you would admit that you were wrong about Woody and tell it like it is. The man deserves a contract, period.

Doc, What if Woody had done what Sloan did last night and recognize the obvious, that we are a better team. Isn’t Sloan supposed to be some guru coach with all this ball movement and inspiration ability. It don’t mean crap when you’re out-manned and out coached. I’ve been telling yall that for the past 5 years now. Wake Up.

Woody has developed this team into an elite squad and it’s time all you haters recognize that.

Woody=COY
Josh=DPOY
JJ=All NBA
Jamal=SMOY

How you like them apples?

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Improved gate success over the next 28 home dates, coupled with a deep and exciting run in the playoffs and the ‘cap friendly’ deals signed by Bibby, Marvin, and Zaza, could net the ASG the financial resources needed to consider re-signing both JJ and Chills next summer. A 5 year, $80M deal for JJ (starting @ $14M) and a 5 year, $40M deal for Chills (starting @ $6M) would land the Hawks almost $3M below the current luxury level, enough to sign a few end-of-the bench players (e.g., Joe Smith, RadMo) before hitting the luxury penalty. And with JCross’ $10M and Mo’s $2.5M both coming off the books after next season, re-signing Al to market money in ‘11 won’t be an issue. Financially, it may be a no-brainer for the ASG to marginally break the luxury threshold (by ~$1M) for one year (to sign our ‘10 late 1st rounder) to field a team of this calibre, if this is what it’ll take to challenge the Lakers for the O’Brien in ‘11, ‘12, ‘13, and ‘14. Re-signing JCross short-term for ~$5 (or a M. Redd for something similar) in ‘11 would round out the perimeter scoring needs.

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SAMUEL-it’s truely revealing when someone has to lie, deny, ignore the obvious, embellish and/or misrepresent the facts in an attempt to make their point or support their usually unsupportable position. You ask me to give you the names of some of these quality HC’s out there, then in the same sentence you tell me not to mention them, WOW!

Why does Woodson need a new contract? Isn’t he already working under a contract he willingly signed almost 2yrs ago?

Your attempt at trying to use HC JSloan to make an analogy is weak, as usual. You see, if you use that analogy, then right after that embarrassing loss to the Knicks a couple of weeks ago, wouldn’t Woodson have to admit what appeared to be the obvious, that D’Antoni is a better HC and the Knicks were a better team? Unless you’re willing to accept that, then you analogy is, like said, weak, as usual.

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samuel, i thought many times woody was stupid to not rest his folks on the outside chance of rallying back from 30 down the last few years. you know live to fight another day is a reasonable choice in the full context of a season especially when part of the reason was they had no legs. i dont know what to make of sloan’s choice last night but it was really fun to watch and that is the essence of what i posted. i also said i hope woody’s career comes close to that of sloan since that will mean good things are happening for the hawks, if you remember. anyway your posts and others in the hire woody group are getting just as boring as the others in the opposite group, i told you so’s with every post is redundant, maybe?

i have said i like woody in the past and one of his first supporters four years ago and what woody is doing now is great want to see it continue. personally i think you have got much more to say than that of repeating the obvious … this team and woody are off to a remarkable start. i am happy to share just that. i marveled at that third quarter recognizing it for what it was and trying hard to put it into words to how special it was with my daughter.

as far as the coy thing there are probably several coy folks that arent employed as coaches now. me i prefer the sloan thing of good basketball in my lifetime without a coy award which he has never won. serious oversight there. anyway woody doesnt quite have the track record to put him in the elite category just yet, though i hope he makes it. i want to enjoy the body of work he has to make it so. win a few more playoff series, have a few 50 win seasons and maybe a division championship or two then he gets it. i dont even need for him to win it all, maybe i am a more discerning customer.

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Here is the balance score card for last nights game.

Guards 17-44
Post 14-21
Swing 8-18

Many of the guard shots came after the bench was handed a 30 pt lead. When it mattered most the team passed well and played with balance. Fun to have another game win added to the streeeaaak.

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SAMUEL-you were the one that brought up Mark Jackson’s name and then insisted that I not mention it. You’re in no position to be calling anyone ignorant. It’s like the proverbial pot calling the kettle black.

To continue making an issue of a new contract, when it’s plainly obvious to everyone with more than an ounce of intelligence the decision won’t be made until after the season, IS THE TRUE DEFINITION OF IGNORANT.

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Samuel beautiful call out to the father of hate! In his reply to you, notice that he could not answer the question after making radical unfounded charges,nor could he open with a complete sentence. That opening run on fragment of a sentence is kind of like his rational;”illogical”.

The truth is Woodson is one of the best coaches in the NBA and youd be hard pressed to come up with a verifiable list of head coaches better than Woodson, who , by the way, Ken, can make a complete sentence.

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