7:05 pm December 9, 2009, by Ken Sugiura
Sorry to get on late. Busy night.
Another packed house at Philips….
December 9th, 20097:16 pm
hawks not showing a lot of energy so far.
December 9th, 20097:17 pm
Really hope we can win this one. Hate losing to bad teams.
LOL Josh with the alley up for bibby again, and he made it! want to see him dunk one of those!
December 9th, 20097:19 pm
Hope Teague gets major minutes
December 9th, 20097:21 pm
Derrick Rose shows no emotion.
December 9th, 20097:22 pm
Joe pass the f*ckin ball
LOL @ Marvin
December 9th, 20097:23 pm
So much dribbling out of Joe. Wide open dude in the lane too.
Marvin finally made a shot. (He still needs to knock down them open 3 point attempts). And then Marvin gets his shot blocked.
By the way, Jon Barry was talking about the Hawks will be worn down at the end of the season, because of the way Woody splits his minutes up. And I think Jon Barry is right.
ESPN announcers aren’t even discussing the game.
December 9th, 20097:25 pm
Mo is complete garbage
December 9th, 20097:27 pm
Marvin is leading the Hawks in points and rebounds. But two people don’t mention him til he gets a shot blocked. Say it loud now – HATERS.
December 9th, 20097:28 pm
LOL @ Mike Woodson. Before the season started he said NOBODY and I mean nobody would average more than 36 minutes a game this season. Ha! Yeah right….
It’s not how you start it’s how you finish dummy ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Marvin might lay an egg the rest of the game.
December 9th, 20097:30 pm
Hawks are already 0-5 from 3. Stop shooting it, and drive the ball!
December 9th, 20097:32 pm
Sorry Defense. How do u let Brad Miller get that easy layup.
December 9th, 20097:33 pm
Good shot teague.
December 9th, 20097:34 pm
Slope first qtr from the Hawks. I like what Mark Jackson said about Teague. Put the ball in the young fella hands, tell him to do what he been doing to get to the league and live with the results.
December 9th, 20097:35 pm
The Hawks are not gonna get many National TV games this year. The Crowd is terrible and I know Stern is hating this. I’ve seen more people at church on thursdays.
December 9th, 20097:36 pm
Speaking of Teague did anybody hear Mark Jackson when he said if Teague got at least 20 minutes a game, he would be a candidate for rookie of the year. both Mark and jon said that he should get more minutes. Even ESPN is realizing what us fans have been saying all along: Give Teague more minutes Woody!
I meant next season not this season.
Bulldawg – interesting. he mentioned that in pregame. might be time to look at that.
December 9th, 20097:39 pm
BONE I’ve been to a couple of Hawks games and the reason there are few ppl is because of the traffic. Trust me after halftime the arena will be filled to at least 85% capacity. This is Atlanta, we have the 2nd worst traffic in the country
December 9th, 20097:41 pm
Yea Bulldawg I figured it was the traffic
December 9th, 20097:43 pm
Nice block rook!!!!
Teauger! Blocking shots!
I dont think Woody will give Teague any consistent minutes (unless there is injury).
I like the effort from our second unit. The bad thing is come the next game, they wont get much burn.
Nice block by Teague. Can Bibby even run back in time to commit the foul? lol
December 9th, 20097:44 pm
Thats why Teague needs to get more mins. Show em Teague.
block by teague remarkable. salmon is 6-6; teague is 6-2. overall, he’s losing hinrich on defense, though.
December 9th, 20097:45 pm
O’Brien no Bibby would just watch as other people ran pass him.
lower bowl filling up.
ROFL at BONE
The Teague block was sick.
December 9th, 20097:46 pm
Yeah, Kirk is getting by Teague at will.
December 9th, 20097:49 pm
good to see coach playing Teague… must be wanting to implement him against the speed of the upcoming guards on the schedule…
Real good production from Teague in the 1st half…
December 9th, 20097:51 pm
Joe doesn’t look like he’s playing for a contract
December 9th, 20097:54 pm
Both Crawford and JJ are shooting 29% from 3 for the season. Thats unacceptable. Because we know they will shoot a lot of them…
Hawks need to keep driving the ball.
December 9th, 20097:57 pm
this is random but that was a SICK reverse layup by Rose a few mins ago
December 9th, 20097:58 pm
Can someone hit the 3
why would joe take that 25 ft shot with his 3 pt %????
December 9th, 20097:59 pm
Bibby decides to put his hand in the defenders face after the ball is pretty much in the rim…
this is not terribly important, but hinrich wears converse. i don’t think i’ve seen that.
Mac-Town'z Finest 478
Joe Johnson 3 pt % = barely old enough to drink
Joe is trying to play for that $70 million contract but he doesn’t know that no ones gonna pay him that. Not with this economy.
December 9th, 20098:00 pm
We know, O’Brien. You think that the 3-point shot should be outlawed and that guards should be limited to 1 shot each per game.
id prefer Horford handling the ball any day over Smoove. at least he won’t turn it over or almost turn it over
LOL @ Mac
December 9th, 20098:01 pm
Hawks 1-9 from 3
Case in point…
We should be up by like 10 more points
December 9th, 20098:02 pm
good pt niremetal…its not that should limit their 3 pt attempts but they need to take smart 3s…not 25-30 footers
second chance points – hawks 10, bulls 2
What a treat to watch a Hawks game from Philips and NOT to have to listen to “Nique’s drivel.
You know I’m just messing with you, O’Brien
December 9th, 20098:05 pm
Marvin with that duckbutt D
Its all good nire. Although if JJ and Crawford decide to only take 1 3pt per game, I would be okay with that. Because they only make 3 out of every 10. They need to drive the ball nmore
Wow…Rose got the Kobe call on that one. Marvin was just moving his feet, Rose initiated the contact, but Rose got the call.
December 9th, 20098:06 pm
STOP BALL HOGGIN JOE DAMNNNNNNN
December 9th, 20098:08 pm
nice move by j craw! even better move by rose who is just KILLIN our D with the penetration smh…
A lineup with JJ at PF? Really?
Mo is just pathetic. All he does is foul.
Jamal is a cold-blooded assasin, man! He needs more minutes!
December 9th, 20098:09 pm
EVANS IS A CLOWN… a guaranteed foul… overly aggressive for no reason.
WOW…Teague-Bibby-Crawford-Mo-JJ. My goodness…
what kinda lineup
LOL now hes playin center lmao
December 9th, 20098:10 pm
Wheres the foul
December 9th, 20098:11 pm
Another superstar call for Rose.
Joe just had to have the last shot
December 9th, 20098:12 pm
D. Rose is the fastest player I’ve ever seen…cant think of anybody this quick since maybe Kevin Johnson
December 9th, 20098:13 pm
Good 1st half by the Hawks. When Joe and Jamal has it going, we can be a very dangerous team….
December 9th, 20098:14 pm
now lets put em away in the 2nd half
Hey O’Brien, you do realize that our selfish and inefficient duo of Crawford and JJ are shooting 12 of 23 with 28 points, half of our total…and that we’re winning by 15?
It’s not as simple as you think it is, man. There’s a reason the overwhelming majority of teams in league history have had perimeter-oriented offense.
December 9th, 20098:15 pm
December 9th, 20098:19 pm
Warning: Stat tangent.
Also, O’Brien – JJ has been more efficient shooting 3s (1.08 points per attempt last year) than he has shooting 2s (0.94) during most of his career. The most efficient shot in the game is the corner 3; the least efficient is the mid-range jumper. As I said, it’s not as cut and dry as you make it out to be. Yeah, JJ and Crawford have been struggling from deep recently. But do you really think they won’t pull out of it?
fire mark richt!
December 9th, 20098:21 pm
I dread going into another year with the master underachiever at the helms. I dont know why he did not blame UGA IV for his sorry season!
December 9th, 20098:22 pm
Rose is quick, but Lawson is much quicker. He’s easily the quickest in the NBA.
December 9th, 20098:23 pm
Good game so far. Bibby looks like he is still hurting. His defense is always terrible but he is missing open jumpers. I like that Mo plays hard but dude is terrible most of the time.
December 9th, 20098:24 pm
Yeah, Stats can be misleading.
I’m sure they’ll pull out of it. And the best way to pull out of it is to shoot their way out of it lol.
Maybe they just need to improve their 3 pt shot selection.
That being said, I look forward to the bench finishing the game.
December 9th, 20098:28 pm
Lets do what the Dawgs dont. Lets win.
December 9th, 20098:29 pm
This game is just a scrimmage for the hawks. Chicago knows it!
December 9th, 20098:30 pm
Gee, I wonder why Aaron Gray isn’t getting any time. Is he hurt?
December 9th, 20098:31 pm
no wabe…i have league pass and I saw the Nuggets vs. Bulls games and D.Rose outran Lawson every time down the court. Rose paces himself a lot though so thats why he might appear to be slower
bibby’s limping pretty good.
December 9th, 20098:35 pm
lol @ “fire mark richt”…this was a rebuilding season for my dawgs by the way. we werent expected to the national bcs champs
Yeah…we should ice Bibby for the rest of the night. Let him rest it as long as we have them at arm’s length.
I do not argue with history or coaches or the fact Jamal and JJ are having good games. I argue that we do not pass enough to the post players on our team and utilize their potential. Not this game but any game in general. My argument for this particular set of players is there is an opportunity for better balance.
In this game the big’s are passing better that the guards. With few turn overs.
One huge plus in this game – the guards are attacking the basket – the reason they are playing so much better.
December 9th, 20098:36 pm
Hawks carving up Chicago on ESPN! Makes up for that Orlando fiasco!
December 9th, 20098:37 pm
not really…cause the bulls are a below .500 team. this is to be expected
December 9th, 20098:39 pm
Haha Bibby was like I’m not gonna get crossed up I’m just gonna foul
get bibby off the court!
Bibby should not be playing.
Isn’t it amazing what the Hawks can accomplish, especially when our bench players are allowed to contribute and the team is allowed to run, attack the basket, pass the ball and not rely on 3pt shooting?
December 9th, 20098:40 pm
Yeah, I know KevinA. You think that guards should be banned from shooting and that any guard who misses a 3 should be executed. We get it.
Put Teague in
December 9th, 20098:42 pm
Bibby seems to limping slightly. And the Hawks are up by 26.
Why is he still in the game? I dont see the Bulls making a run, so why not bring Teague in?
December 9th, 20098:43 pm
Bibby hobbling around and still in the game????? Wtf?
December 9th, 20098:44 pm
Oh oh. The commentators are saying Woody should have an extension beyond this year already. I’m sure that will bring some of his COY supporters out.
December 9th, 20098:46 pm
Nice to see the Hawks put the smackdown on a team on National TV…
December 9th, 20098:47 pm
like I said, just a scrimmage!
December 9th, 20098:48 pm
O’Brien, I think they call it stating the obvious.
The commentators don’t know what the f**k they’re talking about. Just talking out of their a**es. Sund didnt give him an extension for a reason…I don’t understand why ppl think that just because a team is winning, its cause their well-coached. Yeah right…we all know that Woody has overstayed his welcome in ATL only because of Bob Knight, not Sund
December 9th, 20098:49 pm
This is what you get when we abandon WOODY BALL and play the uptempo, fastbreaking style of ball this team has been built to play. If the team is allowed to continue playing like this, we could definitely go 9-1 or 10-0 over the next 10 gms.
December 9th, 20098:51 pm
Why didnt Mo throw an Alley to Josh… Oh I see, he’s still on the donut…
Joe was pushed on that Rose steal, and tried to push Rose in the back when he got the ball but Rose was too fast…
josh is arguing much more under control
December 9th, 20098:53 pm
Ken Strickland AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
THIS IS WOODY BALLAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I could be wrong, but I think Sund wants to see how Woody does in the playoffs before he gives him an extension.
Especially since the Hawks have a deep team, there is no reason for them not to win 2-4 games in the second round of the playoffs…
thats the first time I’ve seen Mo hit to shots in a row
December 9th, 20098:55 pm
I think Josh learned from that ejection….
December 9th, 20099:01 pm
Damn what happened
Joe Smith taken off the court with injured finger on left hand.
December 9th, 20099:02 pm
gonna get some Randolph!
December 9th, 20099:03 pm
Hope Joe Smith didn’t break his finger.
December 9th, 20099:04 pm
Dislocated thumb for Joe Smith
December 9th, 20099:07 pm
Teague should start
O’Brien, I disagree. this team will make it to the second round and out. It has no center to compete with the big three. If they are lucky they can draw Boston and have a chance.
But it really doesnt matter. Woodson is coaching at a high level, is being considered for the coach of th
December 9th, 20099:08 pm
the year and would have no problem being picked up by another team.
December 9th, 20099:10 pm
Great win for the Hawks tonight. I just hope Joe Smith will not be out for any extended time…
I agree with the commentators that consistency is the only thing holding the Hawks back. They said the Hawks have a bunch of games against teams under .500 (I think 9 out of 14). Unfortunately for the Hawks, those are the teams who the Hawks struggle with.
December 9th, 20099:11 pm
Barry just hating big time right now. Talking about Hawks past always, not eabout their future or present right now. He is stuck in the past!
I agree with the crew on ESPN. We cant be elite until we become consistent.
It feels really good to blow out a team like this and make you feel like you are “somebody”……only to come back the next game and let some other team have lay up drills while we take jumpers the entire game.
I dont understand why we do that but I hope it stops!!
December 9th, 20099:13 pm
Marvin lookin like Kobe!!!!
Marvin has zero post game.
Wheeeeeee – a Rando Mo sighting
I’m not saying the Hawks need to advance past the second round. I’m just saying they cant afford to be swept like they were last year, especially given their depth.
And to say the Hawks cannot compete with the big 3, didnt the Hawks win 3 games against the Celtics in the first round 2 seasons ago? And the Hawks have improved more than the Celtics since then (in my opinion).
If the Hawks win 2 or 3 games in the second round, I definitely think that will get Woody his 3 year extension.
December 9th, 20099:14 pm
Funny thing, Boston Celtics Blog page runs a story about the players and how much they like Woody and how successful the hawks are. I asked the question why is Boston so concerned?
If I were Woodson, Id walk after the year regardless. I would consider this insulting. Most of the pro analyst are asking the same question.
What is he waiting on?
Truly Id walk just on principle.
Marvin with the arm gear….
Too early to say how deep into the playoffs the Hawks will get. We’ve got talent. We’re 8-2 against teams with a winning record this season.
The 2 losses the Hawks have suffered against teams with winning records were at LA and at home to the Magic. Both of those teams have a clear size advantage over the Hawks.
Cleveland has Shaq, but he’s not the same dominant post threat that he once was. We’ll see how we matchup with them, but I honestly think we’re a much quicker team with better gaurds than the Cavs.
It’s all about the matchups, and the Hawks give many teams matchup problems. The only team in the EAST that I think the Hawks struggle to matchup with is the Magic.
December 9th, 20099:15 pm
shut up Barry!
Its cheeseburger Collins!!
December 9th, 20099:16 pm
L O L
LMAO @ cheeseburger collins
how much does he make…?
December 9th, 20099:17 pm
Nire, Hawks are 5-19 from 3 lol.
December 9th, 20099:18 pm
Blast lay off the pipe… he’s right. We beat the Celtics, swept the Blazers but then lost to the Knicks at HOME and the freaking Charlotte Bobcats…we’re not consistent!
I just said if they get lucky and get Boston they have a chance, perhaps you missed that. We match up with Boston better, but forget about it with the other two. No, he should not be judged on what happens in the play off.
Actually F_ ck Sund.
If I was Woodson Id have my agent sending out feelers now.
December 9th, 20099:19 pm
Did someone just say that Crawford wouldn’t lead the team in scoring in the next 10 games? Wrong. And what in the heck was that Jason Collins? When was the last time he actually shot a basketball?
Jason “Porkchops” Collins stinkin up the joint…lol AIRBALL
December 9th, 20099:20 pm
Collins is never gonna score a field goal lol
December 9th, 20099:21 pm
Chill man, just giving my perspective. Not coming at you for yours.
i like Noah… speaking out on LBJ’s antics…
December 9th, 20099:22 pm
LOOK AT THE STRIDES… FIND MINS FOR RANDOLPH…
Randmo…what a post threat!!!!!
Next Tim Duncan
December 9th, 20099:23 pm
i guess thats why he doesnt play.. lazy on his defensive rotations…
December 9th, 20099:24 pm
TWIN TOWERS!! Porkchop and Randmo
woodson’s giving the ref grief over the collins charge/block.
Wantabee they cant beat Cleveland or Orlando. The rumors of Shaq’s demise are greatly exaggerated. there only hope is against Boston. By the way its not about shaq only they cant stop Lebron.
December 9th, 20099:25 pm
lol@Johnson’s (on the bulls) haircut
December 9th, 20099:27 pm
*Their only hope
Ok guy, like I said, you have your take.
December 9th, 20099:28 pm
I thought I saw James Johnson rockin’ the gumby lol
December 9th, 20099:29 pm
small chance against ORL maybe@Truth-Serum
Scared of the Cavs with Lebron and Shaq/Z size though…..assuming we dont make any major trade this year
I wish we had keep Siler rather than Collins. Siler was a harder worker and has a better up side.
December 9th, 20099:30 pm
i think i might watch that Kentucky vs UConn game next…John Wall is a BEAST!
We get Cleveland twice at the end of the month, we’ll see how we matchup.
December 9th, 20099:31 pm
Mac that would be nice to get a legit trade. I still think Woodson should not have to prove anything further to Sund. He has proven his mettle when he took Boston 7
Evans should start ahead of Marvin..
December 9th, 20099:32 pm
Does Mark Richt still have a Job?
December 9th, 20099:33 pm
did collins just make a jumpshot…with a hand in his face? lol
Porkchop wit da J!!!
oh boy in the throwback black hawk warm up drunk and getting a lot of audio on the fsn feed…
December 9th, 20099:34 pm
We need to give Teague consistent mins
Like our Guards!
December 9th, 20099:35 pm
Evans is too small to play the 3.
- “Porkchop” Collins
Excellent gm all around. Absolutely everyone had a hand in this win.
December 9th, 20099:36 pm
from the espn daily dime chat:
JoSmith will be missed at Toronto on Fri. Home vs. NJ on Sun? Not so much. @hawksPRman X-rays were negative…could be out for a few days.
December 9th, 20099:37 pm
hey were playing scrubbs!
Jason “Flubber” Collins with the jumpshot!!!
Great win by the Hawks tonight. But as the ESPN crew said the Hawks are reaching the point in their schedule where they must separate themselves from the middle of the pack eastern conference teams. They must win these kinds of games, and play tough against Denver on the road and against the Lebrons at home. GO HAWKS!
December 9th, 20099:39 pm
lol @ “Flubber” and the “Lebrons” hahahaha
December 9th, 20099:42 pm
Wabe, my bad, I saw wannabee. my bad
December 9th, 20099:47 pm
Have to be Proud of our rookie 8 assists with 7 shot attempts – this is how he finds his playing time.
December 9th, 20099:49 pm
15-6. I’m enjoying this greatly. Good Job Hawks and Woody.
Fun season so far, except for the negativity about what we lack.
December 9th, 20099:52 pm
Good win. We are supposed to beat the bad teams like this. Nice game by Teague. He sets up guys nicely and gets them easy shots. Bibby is clearly hurt. Woodson should probably limit his minutes as much as he can and let Teague get more experience…. Collins is worse than I thought he would be. At this point I would activate Hunter and let Collins sit in his suit.
December 9th, 200910:01 pm
Cp- great point!
Put ‘Flubber’ in the suit and let’s see what Othello has to offer. If we continue to have games like these, we can actually gauge his NBA talent. Haven’t seen much of him, but dude constantly seems to find a roster spot
December 9th, 200910:05 pm
Nice win, we did what we were supposed to…and then some. Nice teamwork out there.
Hmmm, the commentators said that Woody should have an extension beyond this year already. The same commentators also said Teague should be playing 20 minutes per game, and would compete for Rookie of the Year if he was.
I’ll bet some people took one of those statements as gospel, and completely ignored the other, despite BOTH comments coming from the SAME source. Yep….
Couple things on that. One, why act like Sund has been here the whole time? He is in his second year as the Hawks GM. I think maybe one year is not enough to evaluate a coach. But hey, maybe things really ARE that simple. Um, nah….
I believe it was Woody that signed that 2- year contract a little over a year ago. I don’t know, maybe he was going to “walk on principle because it was insulting”, but his wife wanted the family fed and housed, so she came and signed it for him. Hey, I wasn’t there, so that guess is as good as any, right? Well, if it was Woody that signed the contract, then it’s Woody you can get mad at for being on the second year of a two year contract, with no new contract yet. I wonder why you would expect to get a whole new contract BEFORE you finished up the one you signed? I could see if we got to the Eastern Conference Finals or something better. Eh, what do I know.
Yeah, Woody should totally walk away from the team that has kept him employed as a head coach all this time. Definitely. He can do better than this. He should walk away from something he helped build. After all, anybody would fire their current coach to hire him. Because he showed how manly he was by walking away from a job. In this economy.
Cue the twilight zone music……
December 9th, 200910:10 pm
I fully expect Woody to get an extension before the All Star Game. We will be in 3rd or 4th place, two guys in the All Star game and the whole league talking about the Hawks. Sund doesn’t want to look any more stupid than he already is. He’ll get it done.
December 9th, 200910:13 pm
Agree, nice to see Teague get 8 dimes.
Woody trusting his guys, his guys earning the trust. When both are happening, they are completely reciprocal. I really like to see this.
Last year you couldn’t have convinced me that RandMo would make himself look like somebody worthy of a roster spot, and Collins would look like somebody that shouldn’t . Yet there it is….
They must have been just making conversation. The ROY is no contest. Runner-up maybe?
December 9th, 200910:17 pm
I can see that happening. As for Sund, I don’t get what is making him look stupid. Signing Woody to a 2 year contract with the blessing of the ASG, and then actually observing him and maybe holding him accountable for a season and a half before extending him further? Not dumping money on a guy after having only observed him for a single year? I know, it must have been the re-signing of Bibby and Pachulia, or the pickup of Joe Smith. Maybe it was that dumb trade for Jamal Crawford.
Yeah. Dude’s stupid. Damn, and I thought he was “Ya Boy”. LOL……
I know, I know. When the chips are down, Woody’s ya boy over anybody in the organization, players, GM, owners, you name it.
December 9th, 200910:18 pm
Woody is not the smartest brick in the he pile but is no where closest to the dumbest. Like Utah give him a one year contract now. Ends the daily pressure but suggests improvement. For past and present efforts – give him another 200,000 bonus. What is not to like?
December 9th, 200910:21 pm
Well, that’s what they do. Talk. ROY is not even a joke. I only hear two names, and one has about as much chance against the other as Horford did against Durant. That’s just the way it is. Nothing idle about giving Teague more playing time, though. Hell, we actually recently read that in an article, in a quote by Woody. He says he’ll raise the young fella’s minutes as the season goes on. Sounds reasonable to me, provided Teague keeps earning his keep.
But if he slacks off, Woody will pop that cork. And that’s every bit as reasonable, and what I’d expect. I really don’t have any solid complaints about Woody and Teague. He’s giving the kid some good chances. Teague stays healthy and produces, he’ll be fine. And I have confidence that he will do both.
December 9th, 200910:24 pm
I agree. I won’t count Woody on the dumb side of the crowd. Besides, he has shown growth as a head coach. Is he growing at the same rate that his players are? I don’t know. I don’t even know if that’s possible, as players are on a different timeline than coaches. You can stink and stay in the league for a while, as a player. As a coach? Not as a HEAD coach, you can’t. Now if you have some skills as an assistant, you can stick around. But you can’t suck as a head coach and stick around.
Then again, I lie. The Clippers are dumb as hell. Dunleavy is still coach there. And he truly sucks. I have no explanation. Must have caught Sterling with some farm animals or something….and has pictures…
December 9th, 200910:28 pm
2 outta 3 on my predictions in the first game!! pretty impressive if u ask me. 9 more games for josh to get a tech and im good for this contest. just need to get the record right
December 9th, 200910:31 pm
Sterling is the guy who kept Elgin Baylor as GM for 20 years. Methinks he doesn’t give a rat’s behind.
December 9th, 200910:33 pm
How’s about Bibby/Pachulia/Marvin/1st rounder for Bosh/Jack? Bring the Ga. Tech boys to win an NBA title together!
One more athletic beast inside and the East is toast. Who could guard that lineup? Plus Bosh is coming back next year at 17MM. Being a Techie you might even be able to extend him.
December 9th, 200910:47 pm
TERRELL BARRON-Woody must have heard me and decided to allow the team to play straight up DEF, and look at the positive results, Heh, Heh.
Continuing to play Bibby instead of Teague, even though he’s played poorly since the injury and is still feeling its effects, is just good coaching according to some Woody lovers.
TRUTH SERUM-If the way we played tonight is WOODY BALL, why in the hell have we played it only 3 times in the last 15gms? Tonight, Woodson gave 9 players 10 or more mins before the end of the 3rd qtr. He’s only played that many players that many mins 2 other times over the last 15gms, and we’ve won all 3(Hornets 121pts, Toronto 146pts and Chicago 118pts). If you take away the pts scored in those 3gms, our PPG average over the remaining 12gms is about 90PPG. How can anyone other than an idiot with an agenda, look at these facts and say tonights gm was an example of WOODY BALL? I HOPE YOU’RE NOT AS STUPID AS YOU SO OFTEN SOUND. I ALSO HOPE THIS REALITY DOESN’T CAUSE YOU TO SUDDENLY SPLIT AND START POSTING WILDLY AS A BUNCH OF IDIOTS WITH AN AGENDA, WHICH USUALLY HAPPENS WHEN I MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE AN EVEN BIGGER ASS.
December 9th, 200910:56 pm
Bosh will play in Brooklyn on the front line with Lebron and Lopez; they’ll play John Wall at point. The Nets will compete for the Eastern Conference championship in ‘11.
December 9th, 200910:58 pm
The best way for the Hawks to be successful is for them to spread the wealth. No one player taking more than 15-20 shots. That means about 1/3 of the games JJ should score less than 20. That will lead to ultimate team success, but it will not earn JJ a larger contract than the 60mill that the Hawks offered him prior to the season. I wonder as the season goes on, will Joe sacrifice team success for his on personal stats as he realizes that his impact of the box score won’t warrant him getting a max contract.
Hopefully winning is most important. He seems to be doing the “iso Joe” junk far less as of late so maybe thats a good sign.
December 9th, 200911:00 pm
BIG RAY-HC’s are judged based on team expectations as much as ability. That’s why we see some teams fire HC’s with winning records and others hold on to HC’s with losing records. The Clippers owner simply doesn’t have high expectations for the team, so what does it matter who coaches it. During the 1st few yrs of Woodson’s tenue, the Hawks had low expectations as well, but unlike the Clippers, they were at least anticipating a better future.
December 9th, 200911:01 pm
Just checkin’ in. My last post was eaten by the ‘blog monster’”Big Ray”.
I wanted to see if This one would take.
It’s kinda funny, I figure I was censored because of a long dissertation
in which I was actually defending a point TS was making. So therefore the ‘blog monster’ figured I must be an imposter.
bigdave – I’m with you on J.Noah. I loved what Al had to say about JN in regard to the LBJ incident. I also love JN’s energy and intensity.
I won’t mention his hgt., length, or def. prowess lest I get an argument started.
TS – I am in total agreemant with you,in that, mr.w. should just walk. You are correct and he should have his agent looking for teams right now. I would not blame him one bit if he took the 1st job that comes open. Even if it’s during the season and someone gets fired…he should let them know he is available now. It would force Mr. Sund’s hand.
I applaud you TS. Who knew we were really on the same page all this time.
December 9th, 200911:05 pm
It’S some very disturbing bloggers posting tonight as usual. Also who were the one complaining about Moe Evan all night in the early going and nothing about Moe when he picked his game up in the second half. Amazing, amazing.
December 9th, 200911:10 pm
Houston has defeated the Cav’s placing them in the fourth spot in the East.. Of the so-called big three I think the Cav’s are the weak link. Hawks could move from fourth to third best record in the East. I had thought that the division champs received the first three seeds but have discovered that the rule was changed in 2007!
I have found the answer at: http://www.nba.com/features/seedingprimer07.html
“The top four seeds will be the three division winners plus the team with the next best record. Those four will be ordered by record (and tiebreakers if needed), so it’s possible that two teams in the same division could hold the top two spots, with the other two division winners at Nos. 3 and 4.
Seeds 5 through 8 are the next four teams according to record (and tiebreakers if needed).
First Round matchups are as follows:
1 vs. 8
4 vs. 5
2 vs. 7
3 vs. 6 ”
So I have been in error in assuming that the division winners will be seeded ahead of the Hawks even if the Hawks have a better won lost record. Good news. Moving up one spot on the playoff record would also be another step in the right direction. Right now I think the Hawks are definitely ahead of last year’s pace and are moving on up the ladder. Getting the second seed would be even better. Is this a special year? What fun we have to look forward to in the next few months.
Come on now, seriously?
December 9th, 200911:15 pm
Would it be a violation of your prediction if I were to point out that my non prediction still stands after game one of the ten game set?
December 9th, 200911:16 pm
Please notice that I did not really say anything that would violate the spirit of breaking your prediction I just asked a question.
December 9th, 200911:22 pm
Big Ump, mo did crank his game up, but keeping it real there was 0 defense applied by the bulls. This was a scrimmage. For long range shooters it sometimes takes a few shots to find your range,
Samuel Whatz up? Do believe that if I were Woodson, Id finish the year and take my chances elsewhere. I know that would be hard for him because hes put his soul in to his work. But if It were me I think I would go else where.
By just letting Sund play him any kind of way hes losing a lot of leverage. No doubt in my mind a lot of teams would offer him a three year contract. So why should he stay here and let Sund disrespect him such as he is.
The article on the Boston NBA web page said it all. But just from a business sense, Id have my agent sending inquires right now.
Ray, shout out! I see the peanut gallery is on board and Ive got finals cooking. Hold it down Cuz!
December 9th, 200911:25 pm
Big Ump , have you noticed they come out after dark-LOL, Thats why I carry silver bullets!
nunna yo biznezz
December 9th, 200911:31 pm
i had the hawks losing this game because i knew,i just knew that woody would go thru the same routine and not play his bench and that the team would be out of sync..they were slightly in sync,and he played his bench..
so i was wrong..
i still stand by the 3-7 record over the 10 game period which started tonite..if im wrong,then it may be 4-6..but,i would love to be totally wrong and they go 10-0,and we’d have played like jon barry and mark jackson said tonite on numerous occasions during espn’s broadcast,that we’re a 10 deep team and that teague would be a rookie of the year candidate on another team if he didn’t play with da hawks..
if woody would just be consistent and play his bench and develope his rookie and young players like othello hunter as well,then i’ll shut my mouth and look for him to bring home an NBA championship within the next 2 years..
but,i seriously doubt it..
i really do..but,i’d be happy if he proved me wrong
December 9th, 200911:34 pm
Truth Serum – interesting thought. I’m not sure I’d call what Sund is doing disrespectful, though. He’s exercising his right to evaluate Woodson. He has obviously improved the team, but this is obviously a big year for the team in terms of (a Woodson-ism) if he can get the team to take the jump from good to great. I don’t necessarily think all coaches can do that. It so far looks like Woodson can, but I can’t say I begrudge Sund for wanting to find out.
And if it is disrespectful, couldn’t an argument be made that having your agent look for another job, as you’re suggesting he do, while he’s currently employed is similarly disrespectful?
December 9th, 200911:38 pm
December 9th, 2009
Funny thing, Boston Celtics Blog page runs a story about the players and how much they like Woody and how successful the hawks are. I asked the question why is Boston so concerned?
WHO IN DA F SAID THAT???????????
EVEN JON BARRY,MARK JACKSON,OR NOT EVEN NIQUE WOULD AGREE WITH THAT..
WOODY WOULD BE ABLE TO WALK IF HE DOES RIGHT AND COACHES THIS TEAM UP,AND IS MORE CONSISTENT,AND HAVE THE PLAYERS LISTEN TO HIM MORE,AND DEVELOPE HIS BENCH AND YOUNG PLAYERS..
THEN,YES,MAYBE TEAMS WOULD BE ASKING THAT QUESTION AND WOULD GIVE HIM A FAT CONTRACT TO COACH THEIR TEAM..
BUT,I DOUBT IT
Bless your heart. I mean that in the most sincere context.
December 9th, 200911:45 pm
WITHOUT NAMING NAMES,DO U KNOW IF ANY HAWKS PLAYERS OR COACHES READ THE BLOGS ON HERE??
LIKE YOURS OR BIG RAY’S FANS NEST??
IM SURE THEY MAY JOKE TO U ABOUT TEAGUE AND HIS PLAYING TIME IF THEY DID,BUT DO U KNOW IF THEY READ THESE BLOGS???
December 9th, 200911:49 pm
“Of the so-called big three I think the Cav’s are the weak link.”
You’re probably right, but how the big three are seeded isn’t really relevant to the Hawks. What should matter to the Hawks is matchups. When you take that into account, I would rank them 1. Boston, 2. Cleveland, 3. Orlando as far as easiest to toughest. The Cavs may not be as good as Boston, but their size would post a huge challenge to the Hawks. The Celtics, on the other hand, a) don’t have the sheer size and length that the Cavs do, and b) take a lot of jump shots and don’t really put pressure on the shot blockers the way LeBron James does.
If the Hawks end up with a 3 or 4 seed, which seems likely, I would rather see the seeding shake out in a way that gets the Hawks a second-round matchup with Boston, rather than Cleveland. Of course, if they can get a 2 seed and home court advantage in the second round, I’d take that over any specific matchup.
December 9th, 200911:51 pm
^^ pose a huge challenge, not post a huge challenge…
December 10th, 200912:04 am
yet the league/press made a big deal about Josh going b/t the legs…
Spiro — I think the Big 3 is now a Big 4. But I still think the Hawks are probably 4th in the hierarchy. “
December 10th, 200912:16 am
Damn, something must have changed with the Utah Jazz over the offseason. Their roster is mostly the same, but they used to be almost an automatic out on the road. Not so much this year. They beat the Spurs on the road on Monday and are tied at LA tonight.
I bring this up, of course, because they are coming to ATL in a week. That is going to be a much tougher challenge than it might have been a year ago.
I am convinced that winning breeds contempt. The Hawks blog used to always be as peaceful as any. Now people are going at each other repeatedly. Not to mention verbal attacks on the beat writer. Heck, I even gave my true opinion recently. Winning basketball games is supposed to be like church. Everybody on the same page. To me, its starting to look like winning the lottery. Everybody is cutthroat. Big Ray even laid the sarcasm on heavily in an earlier post. The only other variable besides winning is the beat writer. Come on people.
December 10th, 200912:34 am
For anybody who is interested, Joe Smith’s x-ray’s came back negative. Injury listed as day to day.
This coming from ESPN.com
December 10th, 200912:45 am
nunna yo biznezz , got me up late doing finals online.
Yeah. thats me, not the bubba crew impersonation. I understood your first shout but was not clear about your follow up.
I encourage Woodson to let other teams know that he is interested, in stability and a guaranteed contract, sure, why not?
Out side of this blog page he is highly respected for what he has accomplished. Many cities would be happy to have a proven and successful coach who is responsible and a fine citizen to boot!
He has in fact done a remarkable job. Business is business. So are you telling me that if your employer ignored you success or down played them, refused to raise you according to market value and you knew you could get more else where You wouldn’t?
Woodson could walk if he wants too! hes under no contract after this year, and I would not take a 2 year non guaranteed deal. As far as Im concerned I agree with Boston, Woodson has proved his talents to take a 13 win team to a stable #4 seed with clear potential to go higher. Hes already proven that he can play with anyone.
Also, this is not the most talented team in the NBA. We have 1 second tier allstar and no legitmate center, every body else is growing or learning or transitioning, yet you are demanding a world championship with that?
Hes getting more wins out of less salary than all the team’s coaches in front of him. I would not blame him at all if he looked out for his family and his best interest. I would be sad for the city of Atlanta but I would applaud his decision in the best interest of his family.
Mr Ken Sugiura, It seems we see this matter differently. As the Boston poster said weve seen enough of Woodson know his ability. The growth of the corn is the farmers pride, the buildings design is the architects glory, the exceptional engine is the engineer’s craftsmanship, the success and growth of the hawks is Woodsons handiwork.
To act as if he has to be the best coach that ever lived in order to coach this team (that’s what he would be to win a championship with this team) is an insult.
Most good coaches ride the backs of their superstar players. They aren’t really all that great, what did they really say or do. ” give the ball to magic” … “give the ball to bird”… “give the ball to jordan” ? Give it to lebron? give it to kobe?
Give me a break!
So my advice to Woodson is continue to do the good job you have done and is doing, but lookout for your family. Right now your market value is a lot higher than Sund is giving you credit for, and that’s whats insulting.
So no, Mr Sugiura, its not insulting to make the best decision for you and your family when your employer doesn’t see your talents the way you or others do. Last time I checked it was called business.
Back to the finals.
December 10th, 200912:48 am
Najeh Davenpoop Ditto. Thats our best chance. I wish we could have had that chance last year insead of Cleveland.
December 10th, 200912:59 am
Should Woodson Get Extension?: Hawk Players Say Yes
by tenaciousT on Dec 7, 2009 1:17 PM EST
“Consider it this way.
On your watch, your team has increased its success 361% over 5 years. That means you’ve navigated your team to an average annual gain of 38% per year.
If you were a corporate executive, they would be tripling your bonus, increasing your stock options, increasing your expense account, and naming a sandwich in the executive cafeteria in your honor. You’d have a lifetime free reserved parking space right up front in the company parking lot.
Atlanta head coach Mike Woodson has done just that and he doesn’t even know if he will have a job next season.
But ask the Hawk players and they, at least the five players I spoke to, agree that Woodson should get another extension. They are in unified agreement that Woodson is a big part of why they where they are. Some say it should have happened already.
When I look at it, this thing is….more of a business than anything. And it kind of takes the sport out of it a little bit….because you’re thinking so much with a business mind. Hopefully they’ll get something done. Because, like you said, there’s not too many coaches that have taken a team from when they first got here, 13-14 wins, to now, last year 47 wins. Now try to take it up another level.
And that is Woodson’s challenge….taking it up yet another level. It just gets harder the closer you get to the top of the mountain. Can this Hawk team become an elite team and a true title contender?
How do you rate him with all the other coaches you played for?
Definitely one of the top. I’ve had a couple…I’ve had Lionel Hollins, umm….Rick Adelman and Coach Woodson’s right up there with those two, too.
Adelman? That’s rich company.
I mean… you get a lot of different type of attitudes and personalities with coaches. You know, some coaches are “this is my way” and ‘this is how we’re going to do it’ and you have coaches like Woodson, I mean just…I tell the guys….we got it good (here).
A lot of coaches that you (the Hawks players) probably wouldn’t like playing for. I mean, we have got a good situation with coach Woodson. He definitely deserves an extension.
Welcome to the ultra competitive NBA, an Atlanta team known for it’s frugality, an ownership group that has its own issues, a weak residual economy, an yet-to-determined new Collective Bargaining Agreement in the early stages of negotiations and it helps explain the situation. Are those the reasons why Woodson is coaching this crucial season without a net?
Or is it really as simple as something like… the team’s brain trust is unsure that Mike Woodson is the guy that can take this team to the next level?
They have only had five years of work to make that determination.”
December 10th, 20091:09 am
As far as seeds go, be careful with Cleve.,NBA/ESPN/LBJ/NIKE consortium may make it hard for any blue collar team to beat them.
December 10th, 20091:13 am
Seriously; would you eat a sandwich called the “Big Woody”?
December 10th, 20091:21 am
The good Woody showed up tinight, and as a friend aptly said, “It’s always nice to have a good woody!”
We are so much better when we are using all the capable tools we have on our team, and although I’ve been a critic of Woody’s, he was great tonight at spreading the minutes around. What a pleasure to see Teague getting significant minutes, and to see us moving the ball around to the open man. I know many on the blog don’t agree with this, but Ken Strickland tells it like it is – we’re a better team without Bibby on the floor – we sure as hell were tonight.
Let’s hope Woody sees the difference too, and shows consistent faith in all the players at his disposal in the future. Move the ball, penetrate, find the open man, run at every opportunity, and play helping defense and we can be a special team.
December 10th, 20091:22 am
My previous post was in reference to:
tenacious T @ 12:59 AM paragraph 3.
prev. posted on 12/07/09 @ 1:17 PM by ten. T.
December 10th, 20091:56 am
There’s a mistake in your recap. Mo had 18 not Jeff.
I got a WOODY
December 10th, 20092:42 am
Where do all these names come from that we never see on this site? And why do they always support the Bubba crew?
December 10th, 20092:46 am
My previous post was in reference to the first woody I ate. But the second woody I ate tasted a lot better because it filled my whole mouth.There’s nothing wrong with it, I mean if you like it. Any I’ll tell you a secret later. OK.
December 10th, 20092:51 am
Any way, what I was going to say is, id like to meet tenacious T, so if he wants to, Im ok with it.
Seriously; would you eat a “Big Woody”?
December 10th, 20093:04 am
You have to understand there is a difference in woody and a woody if you know what I mean.
December 10th, 20093:10 am
Sooooo……first it was fire Woodson……now its Woodson should leave because Sund is disrespecting him by not awarding his great coaching……
Man this is one bi-polar blog Lol!!
But for the record, put me in the extend Woody (No Homo) camp….
Oh holdup, thats not all….
This seems to be purely business whereas Sund is basically taking the watch and see approach. If Woodson excels I’m sure he will get an extension. At the end of the day Woodson should be used to this approach, because he uses as much as anyone I’ve ever seen….
What’s the difference in what he does with young players such as Acie, Salim, and Teague (If you play to your best ability, you see the floor. If you struggle, take yo a** to the bench); than whats Sund doing with him?
If Woodson wins, he’ll be extended without question. I don’t think the ASG wan’t to toy with the momentum there’re finally starting to build. Like a earlier poster said, most people outside of this blog have respect for the job Woodson have done.
Crashing the Glass
December 10th, 20094:29 am
“What’s the difference in what he does with young players such as Acie, Salim, and Teague (If you play to your best ability, you see the floor. If you struggle, take yo a** to the bench); than whats Sund doing with him?” -Mychel
This is a very good point. Hadn’t thought of it that way before.
Crawford is a damn machine though-
Sugiura, you’re doing a bang up job following in the shoes of an excellent beat writer.
Fire Clyde (and his boy Noah).
December 10th, 20096:28 am
I agree with you on your 11:22 post. You right they do come out after dark. Always keep you some extra silver bullets with you at all time.
December 10th, 20097:55 am
I miss Sekou.
I do not understand the negativity toward Bibby. The Hawks made a major jump when he came on board. He is sometimes a defensive liability but he has a way of hiding in the weeds and stealing the ball on occasion. But the big stat on him that I have seen no one here comment on is the fact that the Hawks lead the league in having the least turnovers per game. While this is a team stat it reflects more on the PG than any other player on the team. The man took a pay cut to remain here.
Eventually Jeff Teague will replace Bibby but for now I am happy to see Bibby leading the charge..
December 10th, 20098:03 am
1st part of the game had me concerned we’d make this a contest. Props to the second unit for really getting things going. Very dissappointing to see Woody pull them so the starters could play lackluster again. Why play Bibby w/ a 20 pt lead and he’s limping? Good to see Collins and Randmo get a few minutes. We need those guys sharp and in shape. Joe Smith is definitely the Beast! Loving him. Hopefully his hand injury will allow Collins and Randmo a few minutes. He’ll be primed to return soon since the x-rays showed no real damage. Very satisfied with the resolve of the team to shut these guys down. Toronto will prove to be a big test. Bosh will be pissed after last game. Hopefully we’ll teach him a lesson about team D.
December 10th, 20098:10 am
TRUTH SERUM-You keep bringing up some article written by someone from Boston that you say shows them being concerned about Woodson in some way. And you have seized that article and tried to spin it into to some kind of endorsement of your beloved Woody.
Well, there are always 2 sides to a story. Maybe, just maybe, they are concerned about Woodson’s status because if he’s fired and the Hawks bring someone in that actually pays attention to details, designs an OFF that takes full advanage of the teams particular talents, utilizes in gm strategy, establishes consistency and allows them to run, Boston’s chances of winning the East, let alone an NBA title, would be somewhere between slim and none.
December 10th, 20098:23 am
I’m not saying anything about Woody here, but there was a time just prior to Woody that I begged for Doc to coach the Hawks. If there even was an article, they probably worry about Woody cause Doc might want to come home. It’s hard for me to stomach Doc & Danny actually getting along. Just the thought of the Celtics makes me sick.
Woody’s contract and Joe’s contract should be discussed a few weeks after the playoff’s is over. Either might do alot better, the same or worse depending on performance.
Excellent point about Woody’s coaching style. Using it against him is totally fair – Coach perfectly or we’ll sit your … on another bench. Sund is just treating him like he treats others.
December 10th, 20098:25 am
That’s a little far-fetched, don’t ya think lol. I mean my-God!! Dude you just came up with a watergate conspiracy LMAO.
December 10th, 20099:40 am
Interesting point in the Forbes ranking of NBA franchises by market value. The Hawks are one of the many teams,including somewhat surprisingly the Dallas Mavs, that lost money last year.(And they were 21st out of 30 teams in terms of the franchise’s value)
So the whole discussion concerning the team’s future has to placed in the context of finances: the team can’t afford to do much more than it has ,inspite of winning somewhat consistently.
The implications are most pressing in the case of re-signing Joe but may impact coaching changes as well. However, the biggest issue is free agency as a means to improve the roster. Unless some team would take Marvin and a first for a quality center, the Hawks have to develop the talent that they have.And that means a change in coaching philosphy from vets to player development. And maybe that is a reason for the delay in re-signing Woodson: he is relutant to take the time to develop players-in several instances he played them and then harped on their mistakes as proof of their lack of capability to play rather than providing teachable moments.
To be fair, he has lasted much longer here than he would have anywhere else inspite of his record so there is no malice in the ownership against him. There is ,I believe a desire to see if he can go to the next level via player development before there is any major investment in both his and any player’s long term future.
On another note, condolences to Coach Drew and his family on the death of his father this week.
December 10th, 200910:11 am
Is there any way to force Collins to get into game shape or drop him for a D-League prospect? We’d be better off with Hunter in uni’s and no Collins right now? Can we swap him to the D-League for Siler? What a mistake he’s become. With Joe Smith day to day he or Randmo will be needed.
December 10th, 200910:17 am
You’re right in that Boston is the best matchup for the Hawks. And I hope thats who the Hawks get in the second round.
As far as Woody looking for another job (or walking, just on principle), lets face it. If another team hires Woody as head coach, he will be starting over, and he will not have the quality of players that the Hawks have.
Does he really want to go through 1 or 2 (possible) losing seasons with another team, when he can finish the year with the Hawks, take them to the second round and collect his extension then?
Imagine if Sund gives Woody a contract extension during the season, only to see them lose in the first round of the playoffs, or get swept in the second round again?
I would not be surprised if Sund wants to see how Woody does in the playoffs. He got Crawford and Joe Smith, and drafted Teague. Expectations are higher this year, and maybe Sund wants to make sure the Hawks are very competitive in the playoffs (especially the second round).
Plus, Woody has a chance to dictate what kind of extension he gets. If he had been offered one before the seaosn, it might have been another 2 year deal. However, if the Hawks make it to the ECF, he would probably get at least 3 years.
All Woody has to do is keep winning (especially in the playoffs), and the extension will come.
December 10th, 200910:27 am
Grandad – Thanks
JDPeace – Thanks for pointing that out.Will fix.
December 10th, 200911:02 am
I agree on the posts about bias towards the Cavs, Lakers or Celtics. Even Orlando is on the cusp of getting real preferential treatment at times. It’ll be tough for us whatever way we go. Everyone thinks Boston is the easy ticket, but I think they’re team game is much more solid than the other two. Shaq & Big Z are slow, but we’d have to deal with Lebron – Dwight and Vince always have a way of making us look stupid. It’s a tough call on who we want. We’ve gotta be on top of our game to win either of the 3 in a 7 game series. We need everyone at 100% or we won’t stand a chance.
December 10th, 200911:14 am
Great game last night.
December 10th, 200911:31 am
Is there any way we can ANDRIS BIEDRINS rick sund?
December 10th, 200911:34 am
What about our number 1 pick for biedrins?
December 10th, 200911:36 am
Great win last night. The Hawks were clicking on all cylinders.
1) I agree with Najeh’s ranking of the other top three teams in terms of match ups with the Hawks. I disagree with what Mark Jackson and Jon Barry said last night, that the Celtics would be the toughest matchup for the Hawks. I say bring on the Celtics, avoid the Magic, and deal with Clevland. Although we get that back to back with Clevland coming up.
2) Also, the ESPN commmentators talked about Woodson’s lack of an extension and blamed it on ownership issues. That is so totally off base, that if they bothered to read any of the AJC reports they would know it is a Sund decision. Just shows how much attention the National Media is really paying to the Hawks. It will come though.
December 10th, 200911:37 am
We have 2 get a solid center 2 be able 2 contend for a title, no way can we beat the celtic, cavs, or magic with out a center.
December 10th, 200911:40 am
Daniel yes im happy we won last night but its a long season and we need a center.
Bibby shouldn’t be playing with the limp, scared he might lose his job! Teague should get more minutes but as Mark Jackson said live with the results and I know how quick some of you guys are quick to change your initial requests! Remember his game against Orlando pre-season 0-18! Live with the results……….Winning games changes everything!
December 10th, 200911:41 am
Horford is not a solid center?
We didn’t already beat the Celtics in Boston with Horford taking Perkins to school?
Sure we don’t have anyone to match up with Howard one on one, what team does? Don’t try to give me Shaq, that is just embarrassing.
Maybe the Lakers?
December 10th, 200911:42 am
Dashizz- Teague didn’t get enough minutes for you last night? Or does what happen in the game not matter with whatever point you want to make?
December 10th, 200911:50 am
@ Daniel I’m just saying when he has a bad night don’t point the finger at Woody….it’s a learning curve & he’s yet to go against CP3, rondo, mo williams…..etc! I’m happy with the win’s but that’s mostly because of Bibby…..Teague’s turn will come….just let him come along slowly and learn….
December 10th, 200911:52 am
OK Woody knows how to beat bad teams at home. Give him a cookie.
December 10th, 200912:04 pm
Dashizz- Ok, I totally agree with what you are saying.
December 10th, 200912:05 pm
CLYDE- Kirby Smart is coming to GA!
December 10th, 200912:10 pm
If Sund extends Woody, it will be because he feels that the Hawks are progressing relative to their talent. The fact that he has yet to be extend however is in no way “disrespecting” Woody. Woody is getting paid, Woody signed a contract. If Sund lets Woody go at the end of the year, it may be bad judgement but it is not “disrespecting”.
Hey, if Woody is not retained, he could always win the Nobel Peace Prize and collect the millions of dollars that comes with the award.
December 10th, 200912:26 pm
I can’t understand why the fans in Atlanta won’t support the Hawks. The Hawks are a good young team and the Atlanta fans still won’t come out and show their support for this team. I think that’s the reason why a team like the Knicks can come in Phillips Arena and beat the Hawks. I remember when we had a team in Seattle, our fans always sold out the Key Arena and it was one of the loudest arenas in the league, even after we started losing. I’m just saying it’s embarrassing to watch a good young team like the Hawks with no fan support. I tell you what, if Seattle could steal the Hawks from Atlanta, we’ll do it in a heartbeat, and that would teach you sorry fans to appreciate the Hawks.
December 10th, 200912:40 pm
Thanks for the link RLP. I was not aware of the change in 2007. So the Hawks can knock Boston or Cleveland out of the top three after all. Interesting! Hmmmm……….
December 10th, 20091:02 pm
billy knight haters where are you now
December 10th, 20091:20 pm
right here mred1943
December 10th, 20091:33 pm
O’Brien – you stated that perfectly. If Woody continues to win, makes a nice showing in the playoffs he will be rewarded handsomely. If not, he will get another small extension or go coach somewhere else.
December 10th, 20091:44 pm
How bad is Joe Smith’s dislocated finger?
Marvin looking alot like Shelden Williams these days.
Play Mo Evans and RandMo mo.
Pachulia doesn’t look the same.
December 10th, 20093:34 pm
MYCELFROMATL-I agree, it is far fetched, but no more far fetched than the spin TRUTH SERUM is trying to use to support his position. I just used that to show him I could spin it another way to try and support a differect position. To be honest, I doubt very seriously if the article he frequently references and trys to use to support his position even exists.
December 11th, 20096:38 am
Truth, you answered your own question. Sund is also exhibiting “business principles” rather than showing disrespect to Woody. He’s evaluating whether or not he wants the guy to stick around down the line. Now, they may not be principles that you agree with, but he’s in charge of the team and its personnel, and it’s his job to take all factors into consideration in making sure Mike’s the guy for him.
I’m not a Woodson fan, personally. I agree with the bottom line that the Hawks have seen their record improve from year to year, but attribute that more to the personnel than the coach. The roster has improved significantly since the early days of Coach Woodson, and I think most people who make the argument that he’s improved the team every year fail to realize or recognize that.
When I look at Coach, I look at the guy who let Josh Smith try to find his inner Steve Kerr from three point range for several seasons without disciplining his butt, the guy who still hasn’t pushed Marvin to another level, the guy who doesn’t seem to have an established offensive system in place, and the guy who’s spent time in the past couple years both arguing with his players behind the scenes and complaining to the media about his contract. It’s my opinion that they’ve underachieved a couple of those seasons. They’ve played with more discipline this season — by far — than in previous years as a team, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence. Woody’s coaching in a contract year with a chip on his shoulder.
The win column has increased incrementally for the past several years, and looking at the bottom line, he probably does deserve a contract extension, but I can’t blame Sund for taking his time due to the reasons above. I like the fact that he’s looking at the bigger picture here rather than dumping an extension on Woody…
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