Post Dallas
Greetings, all-
Hope you enjoyed the game Saturday night.
My thoughts:
- No matter how the Hawks shot the ball, holding Dallas to 75 points in its building is an impressive feat. It’s Dallas’ season low.
- As I made mention in the game story, the Hawks played far better defense than they did against New York and perhaps their best in awhile. Dallas had their runs, but didn’t get that many easy baskets.
- Dirk Nowitzki is ridiculous.
- The Hawks, at times, moved the ball really well to get open shots. But it went stagnant at times – a decent number of possessions where one or two players touched the ball, or players jacking up jump shots early in the shot clock when better shots could have been worked for. They had 16 assists on 32 baskets, an OK number.
- Love him or hate him, Joe Johnson did what he does best, make a lot of baskets, many of them crucial. He took 24 shots to make 31 points.
Some extra quotes:
Mike Woodson: “[Joe Johnson] got off to such a hot start and then we hit the spell in the second quarter where we just couldn’t make a shot. We had some good looks, but to come in (at halftime) up one (was a good thing).”
On the first 20 games: “It’s been a good run. Our schedule was not favorable to start the season and we withstood it. We’ve just got to continue our winning ways on the road and continue our ways at home in terms of winning.”
Joe Smith, on energy level: “It was good, from start to finish. We came out first half, did a good job of building that lead. Unfortunately, we didn’t close out the first half in the way that we would like but I think in the second half we did a good job of getting back to what got us that lead, and we were able to maintain it the rest of the game. The energy was good and our aggressiveness was good.”
Joe Johnson, on Dallas going small: “I think it played a little bit to our advantage, playing small ball with me, Mike and Jamal in the game. I think it’s kind of a win-win for us. Tonight, I think we played pretty good defense. We made shots when we needed to. We got stops down the stretch when we needed to and we pretty much opened it up. We played like we had been earlier in the season.
A couple links:
My updated story with quotes. Jamal Crawford: “If you asked people, they probably would have thought we’d win [Friday] night and lose [Saturday]. It flip-flopped. The league is funny like that sometimes.”
“Great defense and even better offense,” Shawn Marion said of either the Hawks or Joe Johnson in the Dallas Morning News game story.
You may have seen this, but Toronto guard and former Georgia Tech star Jarrett Jack stopped during a game to tie his shoes while holding the ball. I’m not sure what’s worse, that he did it, or that the Bulls let him.
Game story from nba.com.
This is neither here nor there, but former Nebraska football coach Tom Osborne was on my plane from Dallas to Atlanta. I walked past him and knew I recognized him, but didn’t know who it was until someone who was on our plane walked by him after we got off and said, “Safe travels, Coach.”
I suppose you can take away my sports writer card for not recognizing him (there are plenty of other offenses to add to the list). The kind of funny thing is that he and his wife sat in coach. I asked him a couple questions in case our Tech writer could use it. He was cooperative.
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Truth-Serum
December 7th, 2009
2:30 pm
Najeh Davenpoop, I thought that was a smoove rap, they ought to play that @ the nest.Thanks for the link.
Speaking of links. Great Link Jerry West. Now We Know!!!
To win 50 games, with out a legit center and a slow point guard is definitely an accomplishment. To win 57 would shatter all time Hawks records, so yeah, we are playing at a high level. You wont win them all. But if you maintain a certain level that’s whats important. Hawks are playing at a high level. The NBA knows it! RECOGNIZE.
Its nice to read so many positive hawks blog, and links. I dont subscribe to the “doom’s day prophecy” Ken. I am very happy with the team and its direction and its about time for Sund co-sign.
Big Ray
December 7th, 2009
2:32 pm
“Medium Sized Ray – I refuse to use the adjective Big for anyone who congratulates that degenerate M. Vick for anything. Mayhaps you can stay on topic. This is a Hawks blog.”
Right. Sorry to drag you off topic with your posts about the Hawks. Wait….that was the only post you made…. DING ….
Big Ray
December 7th, 2009
2:35 pm
I see canniblogging is at it’s best, and we’re not even at mid-season yet. Hooray…..
Truth-Serum
December 7th, 2009
2:40 pm
Grandad
December 7th, 2009
1:55 pm
TS:?
If you are referring to me, Ive never asked for a 3 guard line up. Why you choose to credit me with that is not clear. If Woodson feels at any time its best to use a 3G(pun intended) lineup during the course of a game then its probably in our best interest. Having quality tools available gives more options at the coach’s disposal.
Your understanding or interpretation of my view on Horford is pointed, misguided and wrong.
Actually, your entire supposition is ill logical. Id rather not address it, or you because Ray was right.
My BIG RAY RULE, is still in effect when it comes to you.
Grandad
December 7th, 2009
2:43 pm
What else are they gonna say?
Joe’s thinking: I’m leaving anyway? What do I care? Even if I stay he let’s me shoot as much as I want. I still get to be an all-star.
Why would Marv say anything but that – He’s had 1 real coach, 1 yr. in college. Really he knows nothing else. I’m willing to concede mr.w. is most likely better than marv’s AAU coaches.
Not exactly a ringing endorsement from Josh.
Players coach, give me a break.
Joe: “We are just two guys hanging out”: Lombardi, belichik, Bryant, Wooden, Thompson, Knight, Saban, Aurbach, Jackson, Old fella from Temple [name escapes] can you see that statement ever being made about them?
Joe Smith: PT…maybe. He’s here 1 yr. why create controversey?
I will concede that they may genuinely like the guy. I don’t know him.
I do not like his erratic, and jaded persona which manifests itself within or players performance.
Truth-Serum
December 7th, 2009
2:43 pm
*I don’t subscribe to the “doom’s day prophecy” Ken. I am very happy with the team and its direction and its about time for Sund to co-sign.
Ken Strickland
December 7th, 2009
2:43 pm
SAUTEE-I followed your suggestion and went over to the Falcons blog, and MAN. It reminded me of why I stopped making a regular appearance over there. There’s no reason to expect their attitudes to change because their attitudes are based on yrs, decades, even lifetimes of conditioning. MVick really isn’t their issue, just their justification.
The only equality that seems to appear on those types of blogs is centered around the level of ignorance and stupidity there is on both sides of the issue. Even PETA is virtually silent when animal abuse is reported unless it involves a celebrity like MVick. Their main interest is in getting publicity to spur donations.
Some of these same idiots that are using Vicks dogfighting exploits as their excuse for expressing their preconceived racist feelings, probably supported Sarah Palin, who liked to fly around with her friends at state expense in an airplane and indiscriminantly shoot moose and whatever else they fancied.
Then we have those equally moronic nuts who think if we bring back MVick he’ll do for this team what he didn’t do when he was here. These idiots insist on blaming everyone but Vick for getting involved with illegal dogfighting, getting caught, lying about it and getting convicted for it. I wish him luck, but not with the Falcons.
Truth-Serum
December 7th, 2009
2:45 pm
Didnt mean to wake you Ray…LOL
Good post
December 7th, 2009
2:48 pm
http://www.celticsblog.com/2009/12/7/1189120/should-woodson-get-extension-hawk
Joe Smith
December 7th, 2009
2:51 pm
But Joe Smith’s been around long enough to see the harsh business side of this league to know nothing is certain and business decisions are different that basketball decisions sometimes….
When I look at it, this thing is….more of a business than anything. And it kind of takes the sport out of it a little bit….because you’re thinking so much with a business mind. Hopefully they’ll get something done. Because, like you said, there’s not too many coaches that have taken a team from when they first got here, 13-14 wins, to now, last year 47 wins. Now try to take it up another level.
Mike Bibby
December 7th, 2009
2:52 pm
Mike Bibby returned to this team with a big pay cut. A favorite player to boo in Boston, it is clear Bibby is a key player on the Hawks roster, bringing mental toughness, and is a team leader. It is also clear Mike Woodson is a big reason Bibby returned and explains why…
I love him and I’ve had a lot of coaches in my time. For some coaches I say I like, and got along with, and some coaches I didn’t. You know, I mean I love Coach Woodson. He’s relaxed. He has fun. I think that’s what you got to do.
I love coming to work here and…I can talk to him. I can give him my input on the team and stuff like that and not a lot of coaches let you do that.
I don’t think, right now, I could be in a better situation and actually that’s another reason why I came here, came back here.
Just how… being comfortable with the coaching staff and my teammates.
How do you rate him with all the other coaches you played for?
Definitely one of the top. I’ve had a couple…I’ve had Lionel Hollins, umm….Rick Adelman and Coach Woodson’s right up there with those two, too.
Adelman? That’s rich company.
I mean… you get a lot of different type of attitudes and personalities with coaches. You know, some coaches are “this is my way” and ‘this is how we’re going to do it’ and you have coaches like Woodson, I mean just…I tell the guys….we got it good (here).
A lot of coaches that you (the Hawks players) probably wouldn’t like playing for. I mean, we have got a good situation with coach Woodson. He definitely deserves an extension.
Grandad
December 7th, 2009
2:55 pm
K.S. I applaud your comments.
I decided it was a no win to even comment on #7.
Sarah Palin – what a floozy. I actually know guys who voted for her [not JM] because they thought she was attractive (more or less).
We had best be careful lest we lose our ‘Rush Limbough’ ditto-card.
Yes
December 7th, 2009
3:02 pm
No danger there
Grandad
December 7th, 2009
3:24 pm
TS: Please understand I’m not attempting to engage in any sort of repartee` with you sirs and or ma’ams.
However, @ 12:08 PM paragraph 12: you stated, mrw.s most important move was going with the 3 guard lineup…2nd half…Bibby, Jamal, Joe…
possible closing line-up [paraphrase].
That was my reference point.
My apologies if your remarks were misconstrued on my part.
rms
December 7th, 2009
3:44 pm
jerrywest:
Thats weird, why is the Celticsblog talking about whether or not the Hawks should get a new head coach? Why do they care?
Idiot Checker
December 7th, 2009
3:57 pm
Im sure you are very much aware that the 12:08 PM post is a copy and past of a post someone posted on The atlanta hawks blog page. It is not my view just a view that I felt would bring some positive thinking rather than then dark doom day prophecy you and Ken subscribe to Granddad.
Is there a house or something you can haunt?
As I said at the bottom of the post you can find this Post on “Hawks Squawk”.
Get your facts straight. Please talk with some one who is interested in what you have to say. Im not.
Have a nice day.
Truth-Serum
December 7th, 2009
3:59 pm
# Joe Johnson
$14,976,754
# Josh Smith
$10,800,000
# Jamal Crawford
$9,360,000
# Marvin Williams
$7,500,000
# Mike Bibby
$6,217,617
# Zaza Pachulia
$4,750,000
# Al Horford
$4,307,640
# Maurice Evans
$2,500,000
# Jeff Teague
$1,373,880
# Mario West
$1,000,497
# Randolph Morris
$855,189
# Joe Smith
$825,497
# Jason Collins
$825,497
Wabe
December 7th, 2009
4:07 pm
8-2 against teams at .500 or better.
6-4 against teams under .500.
Gotta take care of business on a night to night basis. Can’t just plan on showing up against the quality opponents. Gotta take every team seriously, because any team can beat you on any given night.
Hummm
December 7th, 2009
4:18 pm
Either way you go they are winning and over .500 good point
my perspective
December 7th, 2009
4:21 pm
wantabee there’s only 2 games difference in your stat and not enough history to make any definitive state men. Looks to me like they are winning. Isnt it true that even the best teams have losing streaks and slump? So the total of what you say is the Hawks are 8 games over five hundred.
Mike is Back
December 7th, 2009
4:26 pm
KenStrick, just a follow-up on our conversation about the organic growth by the Hawks in the off-season. In that post you at leased acknowledge that the organic growth by the Hawks has help to compensate for the moves made by the Big Three in the East…save for Orlando. lol
WELL…how can you make that statement about the organic growth by the hAWKS…without giving the coach and his staff credit for nurturing and cultivating that organic growth? Surly, the Hawks are far better off than they were before this whole odyssey began.
I was reminded by one of my cohorts at work…just how little talent Woody had to work with doing those lean years. You were here…Surely, you remember those dark days of mediocrity…Clyde should too. lol
I think we take for granted at times the difficulties of turning a bunch of raw talent into a contender. These Hawks are a fun and entertaining team to watch…the way they get after it on defense…yet they are still extremely raw. The thing that is the most impressive…is the road wins. Last season DALLAS would have run us out the gym after a back to back…especially after a lethargic game like we played against the Knicks. Again, I haven’t been able to see many games…too many obligation right now…but I feel like I hit the jack pot with the season tic.
No one is saying the Hawks will play this way all season…that would be insane…but when you look around the league…the Hawks are right there…Woody’s detractors should not easily overlook that feat.
HECK, even Mark Bradley said he would pay to see the Hawks play…and trust me…in Bradley hey day…his negative criticism of Woody easily far exceeded yours. lol
After that debacle in the Dome Sunday…my Hawks Tic are looking better and better…
Stick with a winner…and heed THE SERUM brooooooooooooo. Heh heh
MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU…GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mike Bibby
December 7th, 2009
4:27 pm
(Back To Mike Bibby)… So then you’re kind of good for Woodson in the locker room. Kind of an extension….
Yeah, like I mean…when I’m out there and I see something on the court, I’ll give my input, and he lets me go with it. He lets me go out in there in the game…for him to have that much confidence in me…for him to let me do that, that gives people confidence to play.
High praise, indeed. In truth, after friction with Ron Artest with a going-nowhere Sacramento team, Bibby’s career has been resurrected in Atlanta.
Welcome to the ultra competitive NBA, an Atlanta team known for it’s frugality, an ownership group that has its own issues, a weak residual economy, an yet-to-determined new Collective Bargaining Agreement in the early stages of negotiations and it helps explain the situation. Are those the reasons why Woodson is coaching this crucial season without a net?
Or is it really as simple as something like… the team’s brain trust is unsure that Mike Woodson is the guy that can take this team to the next level?
They have only had five years of work to make that determination.
Six year Hornets’ coach, Byron Scott, was fired for a 3-6 record following a poor playoff showing the year before.
Seven year Nets’ coach, Lawrence Frank, was fired for working the Nets plan and far harder than his players did.
Mike Woodson’s done everything that has been asked of him for 5 straight years, yet had to survive one reported attempted firing from a GM (Billy Knight) who quit afterwards, and is being scrutinized by that GM’s replacement, Mr. Rick Sund.
To be fair, Sund believed enough to give Woodson a ‘show me more’ two year extension that ends at the end of this season.
It sounds like Woodson is a survivor. But he’s really been far more that. He’s been downright successful – anyway you want you to measure it. So the delay and non-negotiations until this year is finished are, on the surface, simply puzzling.
Nicky
December 7th, 2009
4:36 pm
My bad, didn’t realize it inappropriate to respond to a post by another member. Animal torture is just not my thing.
Hope Teague gets some extended minutes Wed. Will be interesting to see him head to head vs Harris. Surely Bibby will not be trying to cover Devin.
Thanks to all for some great reading on this paper’s Hawks blogs. Many insightful comments and tons of 3 Stooges style comedy from the regulars. Some egos are off the chart. Everything from informative links to serious concern over the impact a particulare player will make on an upcoming game when they won’t even play due to placement on the IR. Priceless!!!
Nicky
December 7th, 2009
4:39 pm
Sorry, Wed in my last post should read Sunday.
Grandad
December 7th, 2009
4:42 pm
TS: Why the bitterness? We actually, almost, are in agreement on a thing or two here and there. I actually agreed with some of your premis in the 12:08 PM post. There can be dissenting opinions between grownups w/o all the muckraking.
Brad
December 7th, 2009
4:44 pm
This interview with Donaghy is pretty disturbing. I sure hope Josh is aware:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4722584
Ken Strickland
December 7th, 2009
4:45 pm
GRANDAD-I actually find her to be a reasonably attractive women, but when it comes to politics, I find intelligence a far more attractive trait. And when it comes to intelligence, she’s a BEAR-RILLA. Aren’t we still waiting for her to name a single book or magazine shes ever read?
Have you noticed whenever I address TRUTH SERUM with a really strong point about him or his beloved COY, there suddenly appears a series of posts under different silly monikers in retaliation? He’s so limited in his ability to offer an intelligent defense and/or response to any logical challenge to his stance. He’s too insecure to offer any of these stupid responses in his name, so he uses other identities to launch his tirades, which are often heavily laced with vulgarity, a sure sign of a limited vocabulary and underdeveloped mentality. WHY DOESN’T HE/THEY JUST SAVE HIMSELF/THEMSELVES AND EVERYONE ELSE TIME AND EFFORT AND JUST POST UNDER THE NAME THAT BEST SUITS HIM, SYBIL. Afterall, a rose(psycho) by any other name is still a rose(psycho).
Did you see that caption about Teague showing improvement? Isn’t that virtually the same comment that was issued sometime last yr about OHunter? And, isn’t he still trying to remove parts of last yrs bench from his butt?
perpetual idiot
December 7th, 2009
4:49 pm
Id did not write it idiot. If said that and you ignore that and continue as if id did, I just repeated it and you still go forward. Say what you like I see that you have foolish behavior. Therefore I see you as a fool.
And Invoke the BIG RAY RULE WHICH IS CLEAR THAT IF YOU SEE THAT THE PERSON YOU ARE SPEAKING WITH IS OBNOXIOUS, HAS A PREDETREMINED COURSE AND THE CONVERSATION HAS NO MERIT, IGNORE THAT PERSON AND MOVE ON. I HAVE NOTHER FURTHER TO SAY TO YOU, YOUR BUBBA CREW WHETHER ITS YOUR LEADER OR YOUR FEMALE AUXILLARY BRANCH.
GO HAWKS.
Ken Strickland
December 7th, 2009
4:51 pm
BUT IF I JUST HAD A PENIS LIKE JOE MAMA, I WOULDNOT BE THE B!ITCH I AM NOW!
Grandad
December 7th, 2009
4:55 pm
I see your point Ken, no arguement here.
Joe Mama
December 7th, 2009
4:57 pm
Thanks Ken! I hope you are able to remove that b!tch in you. Good luck.
ILL-logical
December 7th, 2009
5:01 pm
“Old fella from Temple [name escapes] ”
That would be John Chaney.He was one of the all time greats- he spent years and years at cheney State-an HBCU near Philly- before getting an opportunity to coach D-1 ball. With limited facilities and resources he not only won games but he made men.
Grandad
December 7th, 2009
5:15 pm
Ken Strickland – W/O getting into politics, I must agree. My point on my friends was that [her looks] was their prime reason for voting for ‘her’, as I’m sure you understood. What’s that ol’ song………..
“A little on the Trashy Side”.
Ahh Sybil – You know on occasion, I see promise. Then….~!@#$%^&*….
J.Teague – It’s a crying shame. mr.w.’s comments are nothing more than a smokescreen. He has no intention of playing the young man. It’s so obvious that he is managing this team for a contract rather than most astute leaders who would be coaching to perpetuate their program and the franchise.
Grandad
December 7th, 2009
5:21 pm
Thanks > ILL_logical, I could not think of his name for the life of me. I agree with your remarks 100%.
Grandad
December 7th, 2009
5:32 pm
TS: If you did not agree with the post then why re-post it, sir.
[12:08 PM]
theZaZaguy
December 7th, 2009
5:41 pm
Hey “Mike is back” I feel the same way about my season tickets. I took a gamble upgrading to floor seats (I can’t afford to keep all of them so I list a bunch on stubhub), but the ROI has been great so far. I get to see the games I really want and the wife is happy about it.
I’ve become really emotionally attached to this team, much like with Nique, Doc, and Randy Wittman. I laugh, I cry, I jump up and make inappropriate remarks to the referees and opposing players. These guys are for real. And I’m looking forward to a 55 win season.
Truth-Serum
December 7th, 2009
5:46 pm
Good points
Mike is Back
December 7th, 2009
4:26 pm
KenStrick, just a follow-up on our conversation about the organic growth by the Hawks in the off-season. In that post you at leased acknowledge that the organic growth by the Hawks has help to compensate for the moves made by the Big Three in the East…save for Orlando. lol
WELL…how can you make that statement about the organic growth by the hAWKS…without giving the coach and his staff credit for nurturing and cultivating that organic growth? Surly, the Hawks are far better off than they were before this whole odyssey began.
I was reminded by one of my cohorts at work…just how little talent Woody had to work with doing those lean years. You were here…Surely, you remember those dark days of mediocrity…Clyde should too. lol
I think we take for granted at times the difficulties of turning a bunch of raw talent into a contender. These Hawks are a fun and entertaining team to watch…the way they get after it on defense…yet they are still extremely raw. The thing that is the most impressive…is the road wins. Last season DALLAS would have run us out the gym after a back to back…especially after a lethargic game like we played against the Knicks. Again, I haven’t been able to see many games…too many obligation right now…but I feel like I hit the jack pot with the season tic.
Truth-Serum
December 7th, 2009
5:50 pm
theZaZaguy
I think Zaza has stepped his game up. He finishes in the post, Hes aggressive, physical, hes hitting 12-14 footers man he’s rolling. Much better player than last year
theZaZaguy
December 7th, 2009
5:55 pm
ZaZa has also cut down on travelling. I remember he used to get 2-3 called every game, which means he did it every time he got the ball. I used to think I was special for yelling “ZaZa!” in a very gutteral voice, but others are doing it as well now so I don’t feel as special. But I’m the only one in my section, so that makes me feel a little better.
Truth-Serum
December 7th, 2009
5:56 pm
theZaZaguy that Randy Wittman John battle team was fun to watch. Like you Im excited about this team. I think the chemistry has to be one of the best in the NBA. Close…we are not far from where we need to be. Hummm. I remember The Lambeer, Thomas, rodman teams that gave us fit. That team had ups and downs during the season but come play offs they were on point and keep us from the higher rounds.
Truth-Serum
December 7th, 2009
6:01 pm
theZaZaguy Yea, I remember that, I gave him the nick name “turnover waiting to happen.” Now I have confidence in his game. I think Id like to see Randolf Morris get a little more burn. Horford,Zaza and Morris should be maybe 20,20,8 minutes in the post. Morris has stepped his game up too.
theZaZaguy
December 7th, 2009
6:02 pm
I think we’re more like the Pistons team that won two in a row back in 89-90. They didn’t have a real center either. They were young, physical, played tough D, and were 9 deep. Remember when they took two in the Boston Garden when the Celtics were supposedly invincible? I see these hawks doing similar things.
Ken Strickland
December 7th, 2009
6:22 pm
MIKE IS BACK-Go back and read my Dec 06, 9:32pm post and you’ll see where I’ve acknowledged giving Woodson credit for holding this team together under some very trying times for himself, the players and ownership. But I’m not willing to give him major credit for developing the players he’s been given when there are only 3 remaining draft picks on his roster after 4yrs in the lottery.
Are you willing to give him credit for developing JJ, Bibby, Crawford, Flip, MEvans, Joe Smith, JCollins, RMorris OHunter or Zaza? Can you honestly say his approach to developing PG JTeague is any different than the failed tactics he’s used to develop the other departed draft picks? Anyone can coach a team when there’s no expectation of winning, but now that there’s an expectation of winning, he’s rapidly showing he’s not up to the task.
Former GM Billy Knight and current GM RSund deserve the majority of the credit for the development of this team. When it was determined we needed an inside scorer, Smoove spent his time and money to live and work in Houston with Hakeem to develop his inside gm. What did Woodson do to accomodate those efforts? Did he modify his OFF to include going inside to Smoove? As we all know, but some refuse to admit, Smoove got so frustrated that he started floating outside to the 3pt line, which was were the ball usually was, and started hoisting jumpers to get involved in the OFF. WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT ON WOODSON’S PART WAS THAT?
For the last 2yrs, there has been a constant series of complaints, some legimate, about the lack of development and/or inconsistency in Marvin, Smoove, and even Horford. My biggest complaint with Woodson, other than his inconsistency, is although he now has a quick, fast, athletic, experienced, talented, versatile and deep team, he’s still trying to coach it as if none of these things exist.
He complained and said he didn’t use his bench because it had no talent or experience. Well, this yrs bench has an abundance of both, and he’s still doing the same stupid crap. When he SStaudemire and ALaw, he complained and wouldn’t play them because he said he needed a player with actual PG skills. Well, he made the decision to draft PG JTeague and he’s still doing the same stupid crap with Teague.
Hell, everything on this team has developed but Woodson. There isn’t a NBA HC or assistant that couldn’t have gotten out of this team what Woodson has gotten, most could have gotten a lot more. His biggest contribution to this team has been the perserverance and direction he provided through those turbulent times, but on the court, he’s done very little by comparison.
His inconsistency, and obcession with having the team play WOODY BALL, is actually having an adverse effect. We’ve gone from leading the NBA in pts in the paint, fastbreak pts, shooting percentage, ranking near top in scoring(108PPG), rebounds(especially OFF), assists and wins over the 1st 13gms to having difficulty doing all of the above. The is the same thing that happened last yr.
I’m giving him credit for the underdevelopment of this team, especially over the last 2yrs.
Truth-Serum
December 7th, 2009
6:29 pm
I have to disagree with you. Not only did they have a real center, they had an all star center
William “Bill” Laimbeer, Jr. (born May 19, 1957) is a retired National Basketball Association player for the Detroit Pistons. Playing at center, the 6′11″ Laimbeer was a four-time All-Star and integral part of the Pistons teams that won two championships. Initially raised in the Chicago, Illinois suburb of Clarendon Hills, Laimbeer attended Palos Verdes High School in Southern California and then the University of Notre Dame. Laimbeer was also the head coach of the Detroit Shock in the WNBA from 2002 to 2009, coaching the team to three league championships.
Position(s) Center
Jersey #(s) 40, 41
Listed height 6 ft 11 in (2.11 m)
Listed weight 260 lb (120 kg)
Career stats
Points 13,790
Rebounds 10,400
Blocks 965
Stats @ Basketball-Reference.com
Career highlights and awards
* 2x NBA Champion (1989, 1990)
* 4x NBA All-Star (1983-85, 1987)
* 2x led NBA in total Rebounds (1985, 1986)
* Detroit Pistons #40 retired
And Rick Mahorn-Statistics: Latest Game | Season | Splits | Career
Rick Mahorn Detroit Pistons | Forward-Center | #44
Height: 6′10″
Weight: 260 lbs.
Born: Sep 21, 1958 in Hartford, CT
College: Hampton Institute
No, they were well represented in the paint.
I think you might like this link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-LTyDiCu0A
STAN CASTING
December 7th, 2009
6:32 pm
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Rocket Science.
December 7th, 2009
6:33 pm
MIKE IS BACK, Pretty much in the highly competitive NBA, Its really a joke. You can take a coach from park and recreation league, give him ten very young players, put them on the court and they will be a fourth seed in 4 years. Its really organic. I dont Know why coaches are paid so much and why its so competitive…its so easy every a cave man can do it….
Rocket Science.
December 7th, 2009
6:34 pm
Even a cave man can do it.
STAN CASTING
December 7th, 2009
6:34 pm
MAN I WISH I WOULD HAVE STAYED IN ATL D.C SUCKS.
STAN CASTING
December 7th, 2009
6:36 pm
IM CALL TED TURNER AND SEE IF WE CAN BUY THE HAWKS BACK.
Truth-Serum
December 7th, 2009
6:37 pm
theZaZaguy I do see this similarity. That boston team was in decline as is this one. But again, Detroit had a low post power. We dont, although I think a 3 headed monster of horford, Zaza and Morris is decent and much better than Horford alone