Got it out of your system?

Somewhere over Alabama or Mississippi – I’m on my way to Dallas. It struck me as odd that I’ll be in Atlanta and Dallas today, but am covering neither the SEC or Big 12 championship.

Anyway, my quick take on the New York loss. Obviously, losing Josh Smith was huge, in that the starters burned more minutes than they would have, and the Knicks went at the basket with relative impunity. The Knicks shot 30/41 in the lane for 60 PIP – tying the season high against the Hawks – and the Hawks only blocked two shots, a season low. I don’t think it’s beyond the scope of reason to say that the Hawks would have won with Smith but I’d also say the Hawks still should have won anyway. They realized a little late that Al Horford and Joe Johnson were the answers offensively.

I don’t have an answer about how the Hawks could have protected the rim better. You’d think Woodson would have tried Joe Smith in the middle or Jeff Teague on Chris Duhon. I didn’t get to ask Woodson last night, but my suspicions would be that he’d say that Smith would have been a matchup problem against New York’s small ball and that he’d rather have Bibby than Teague in against the Knicks because he wanted to control the pace and Teague can’t do that like Bibby can and that Mo Evans was his attempt to slow down Duhon. Hopefully I can get an answer about that this evening.

As far as the various complaints about the switching defense, I’m not so sure it’s as easy as saying, “O.K., let’s stop switching and play straight up.” Maybe it is, I don’t know, but I wouldn’t think so. I think maybe the answer Friday wasn’t the defensive system, just the way it was executed. (which isn’t exactly comforting, either.)

I forget who said this in the game thread, but whoever said that this maybe is just who the Hawks are may be on to something. They may just be a good but not great team. That said, the Knicks beat the Suns earlier this week and they nearly beat Boston, and the Dallas team that everyone expects to pound the Hawks lost to Memphis Friday. That doesn’t exactly justify the Hawks losing to New York, but if you’re going to say “The Hawks are terrible; they lost to New York, New Orleans and Detroit,” how do you explain them beating Boston, Portland, Miami and Denver?

I don’t like saying this because it’s cliche, but it’s probably also true. The Hawks aren’t as good as some of you thought they were during the seven-game run, and they’re not as bad as some of you think they are now.

One other thing – while I agree to a point with many of you about Johnson’s shot selection, last night it seemed like it was the only thing working in the second half. He was 9 for 13 in the second half. The rest of the team was 11 for 26.

Anyway, let’s see what Saturday night brings. I think what the Hawks are hoping for is that everyone brings their pocket TV’s to the game to watch Texas-Nebraska and Josh Smith brings a full steam of redemption to the arena.

It’s obviously going to be a bear. Jason Kidd-Mike Bibby could be problematic, certainly, though I’m not going to vouch for Kidd’s defensive ability, either.

One other thing that I just find kind of funny – for those of you who lambaste Marvin Williams, here’s what I don’t get: You rip him up and down (which is your right as a fan), but then I read these fanciful trade proposals. I’m not here to stick up for him or attack him, but I’m just asking, if he’s as ineffective as you think he is, what makes you think another NBA team is going to want him? I swear, I think I read someone saying the Hawks should trade him for Chris Bosh.

Lastly, hopefully I’ll get the chance today to check back on all your predictions for the Hawks’ 10-game stretch that ends against Dallas. I’ll try to have something up when I get it done.

Enjoy your Saturdays, everyone.

377 comments Add your comment

niremetal

December 5th, 2009
11:30 am

I just wanted to commend Ken Strickland on using a Stargate reference in the last thread.

That is all.

Anthony

December 5th, 2009
11:53 am

They’ll get owned in Dallas like they always do. This team will continue to make no major accomplishments just as they haven’t done for the last 30 years.

Anthony

December 5th, 2009
11:57 am

If you’re not a title contender then you’re a loser of a team.

ILL-logical

December 5th, 2009
11:58 am

Was at the game last night -courtside – and 3 things jumped out at me:
1. The Hawks were not communicating on defese. The first half they were sleepwalking.the second half they just could manage any interior defense/ offensive rebounding besides Al.
2. Al wore out carying the rebounding ,shotblocking and inside offensive load. By the fourth quarter, he had nothing left in the tank but he battled to the end. Unlike Marvin who whatever his other talents may be is not the most agile or energetic player on the team. I di not believe some of the comments regarding his agility until I saw it up close.
3. With all of the growth that he has shown since his entering the league at 17-btw either yesterday or today is his 24th b-day- Josh still has some growing to do before he can assume the mantle of a star and team leader. He is trying but it wouldn’t hurt if he got some more help with his leadership skills.

Benjamin

December 5th, 2009
12:12 pm

Didn’t watch the game because I was on the road for most of it, but I was really disappointed to check the scores last night on the phone and see that we lost to the Knicks by seven. Between that game and the Pistons debacle a few days ago, maybe everyone’s right… maybe we really are just good and not much more than that.

I don’t mind it, seeing where we were five years or so ago, but it is kind of disappointing with the start we had to drop games like that.

Saint Richt

December 5th, 2009
12:20 pm

Garbage team, garbage Joe Johnson/Mike Woodson. JJ cannot leave soon enough.

Fire Mike Woodson, last night, Detriot and Charlotte are coaching losses, this guy CANNOT motivate this team.

Mark up a blowout loss tonight……guaranteed. Bet the house on the Mavs.

JeJe

December 5th, 2009
12:48 pm

We haven’t won in Dallas in what seems like 20 years. Damnit.

WOODSON USE YOUR BENCH, MORON. JOSH PLAYED 13 MINUTES B4 EJECTION AND U ONLY PLAY ZAZA 16. STOP WORRYING ABOUT UR CONTRACT U MORON

JeJe

December 5th, 2009
12:50 pm

DUHON HAD 25 POINTS. HOW THE HELL IS TEAGUE ONLY PLAYING 1 MIN AFTER PUTTING UP SOLID NUMBERS IN 23 MIN THE OTHER NIGHT?

I DONT CARE WHAT OUR RECORD IS OR WHAT I’VE SAID BEFORE. FIRE THIS GUY MIKE WOODSON RIGHT NOW. ANYONE REMEMBER LARRY DREW USING BIGS LAST YR AFTER A WOODY EJECTION? I DO

Ramon

December 5th, 2009
12:55 pm

Ken Sugiura, have you ever watched a Kobe or Wade game and see them not dominate. But at the start of the 4th quarter you look up and they’re already at 23 points. And you don’t even really remember them trying that hard to get it? Kobe gets three buckets here, three buckets there, a couple of free throws, then he goes on 8 pts straight, and he has 24 points. But he accomplished it, while Odom still got 13, Fisher got 12, Gasol got 20, Bynum has 15. And he only took 12-15 shots. For every game that JJ scores 20 pts, its because he took 20 shots, if he gets 30 its because he’s taken 30 shots.

JJ is leading the team in turnovers. Out of the top 7 players on the team, he is last in field goal percentage. He’s shooting worse than MARVIN. JJ touches the ball way more than Smoove, yet JJ’s A/TO is 2.04 compared to Smoove’s 1.87. JJ has more wasted possessions than anyone on the team. JJ causes more bad shots for other teammates than anyone on the team. JJ is not efficient at all. Truthfully on offense, JJ is becoming the equivalent of Glenn Robinson and Walker.

Ramon

December 5th, 2009
1:02 pm

Look at Robinson’s season in ATL ( http://www.nba.com/playerfile/glenn_robinson/ ), tell me they’re not pretty close to the same offensive stats (with exception of a/to) as JJ’s.

BONE

December 5th, 2009
1:12 pm

I didn’t realize there was a new blog so I’ll re-post what I posted on the other one:

If the Hawks want people to show up win the damn games your supposed to. If woody was fired and we brought in a coach that would let this team play to their strenghts it would be fun and more fans would come. But all I see is one on one ALL THE DAMN TIME.

Ramon

December 5th, 2009
1:31 pm

Bone, all you see is what?

BONE

December 5th, 2009
1:36 pm

I mean one on one basketball. They don’t know how to play as a team. They just sit and watch each other. Thats why woodson needs to be fired. He doesn’t know what he’s doin.

Ken Sugiura

December 5th, 2009
1:54 pm

Thanks, Ramon. You’ve watched way more Hawks basketball than I have, so your points are duly noted. I’ll keep watching. for what it’s worth, i saw wade against the hawks and he didn’t dominate.

bone – it is hard to understand how they can get 25 assists one night and talk about playing unselfishly and revert to old habits the next night. i’m not sure they know the answer, either.

FIRE WOODSON

December 5th, 2009
2:04 pm

Ken,

Why not put in Collins at center to protect the rim, moving AL to his natural position? You cant say it Ken, but u see that Woodson is a terrible coach. He refuses to use the talent that is given to him every year. He is waisting Teauge the same way he wasted Law, and he refuses to play Morris even though it clear that he has gotten better. No plays on the offensive end except iso plays to Joe and Jamal. With a good coach the hawks would probaly contend for the east. With Woodson the hawks will get put out the second round again this year.

Ken Strickland

December 5th, 2009
2:32 pm

KEN SUGIURA-one of the proven ways to protect the basket is to put play better DEF out front, especially putting a PG on the ball that can actually play DEF. The Nuggets got rid of center MCamby, who led the NBA in blocked shots and received DEF player of the yr honors, and AIverson. They brought in CBillups, a PG that actually plays DEF, and immediately improved defensively.

Woodson rode Bibby’s ineffective back, instead of going to Teague, because he was more interested in having the team play his beloved halfcourt, perimeter oriented, guard dominated WOODY BALL. We started the gm the same way we ended the Toronto gm. We were running, attacking and using our superior speed, quickness and athleticism to get off to an early lead. But, instead of continuing to play uptempo and attacking them, Woodson had Bibby switch to WOODY BALL. Woodson also knows both JJ and Bibby will automatically switch to WOODY BALL when they get tired.

KEN, you made the following statement: “I’M NOT SURE THEY KNOW THE ANSWER, EITHER”. Oh, they know the answer, but they know they had better not say anything about it. We’ve all been taught that Europe is a continent, but the truth is it’s not and has never been. Yet, even though the powers that be know it’s a lie, they continue to teach it because noone’s making a big issue of it so why change the status quo.

The players know Woodson isn’t a good HC for this team, but his tactics and philosophy does favor veterans and certain others. So why complain and change the status quo, especially if we still have a winning record and noone that’s actually benefitting and contributing is making it an issue.

JEJE

December 5th, 2009
2:32 pm

WHY THE HELL DID WE SIGN COLLINS? ASG IS SUPPOSED TO BE A BUNCH OF CHEAP OWNERS. SO WHY WOULD THEY PAY FOR PPL WOODSON WILL NOT USE

JeJe

December 5th, 2009
2:32 pm

preston

December 5th, 2009
2:38 pm

Well I really didnt want to go here, and push the proverbial “panic button” but here are my 2 cents worth on the hawks. Last year we were teased with the hot start by the hawks,and it looks like we have been teased again. Not to say that the Hawks aren’t a pretty good team…they are, but they are reverting back to a lot of bad habits that has plagued us for the last few years. At the beginning of the season we had excellent ball movement by the team, and good player rotation by Woodson…….it’s not a freakin coincident that we were playing much better with this strategy just a few weeks ago. But now, we are playing too much one on one ball……..JJ does hold the ball way too long on certain possessions and he takes a lot of bad shots as a result…..even when he is hitting those shots it is still a recipe for desaster. JSmoove has reverted to taking way too many jump shots…..we know that he can hit those jumpers from time to time, but we really dont need him consistently doing that……and I still dont like to see him bring the ball up the court…….again, yes, we have seen him take the ball coast to coast and make some great plays, but we dont want to see him acting like a PG when he takes the ball inbound. Al and Josh are the best low post players that we have, so why are these guys alway taking jump shot when we dont need them to. Woodson told us that he had a bench this year and he would use it. Joe Smith and Jeff Teague are not geeting the minutes that we need from them to be successful……Teague is getting the royal treatment from Woodson, and I hope that he doesnt end up like Law…….but this feels Like AC Law revisted all the way. We also have two guys in Morris and Collins that I know can contribute something to our cause……Morris actually looks good whn he gets his chance, but those guys are developing at all by sitting on the bench night in and night out. and how frustating is it to see any of the guys on the bench come in and contribute one night for the team, only not to be seen again for the next week, as has been Woodson’s pattern. I am more frustated with woodson now more than anything else because he has been giving the benefit of the doubt from most of us here………we want to see him succeed, but he has gone back to the Woody that we know and love…….we scatch our heads on his game scheme, player rotation, bench use, etc. and question just about every decision that he makes with this team.

Melvin

December 5th, 2009
2:40 pm

John Wall is a good as advertise…. 2010 number 1 overall draft pick.

NCBravesFan

December 5th, 2009
2:43 pm

I think last night’s loss was a watershed for me. I’ve tended to dismiss the people who want to fire Woodson over the past few years, and I don’t necessarily buy in to the thought that he’s a bad coach.

But the loss last night, and the inconsistent play overall, seems to indicate that Woody has taken this team as far as he can and it’s time for someone else to come in and shake things up a bit.

BrittishAnger

December 5th, 2009
2:48 pm

Rebounds…why lord rebounds? Twenty of those for Ben Wallace, seventeen for David Lee, why do we get out-hustled at that level and not make the switch to a bigger system even if for a few minutes to break the monotonous funks the Hawks work themselves into? This is what we were supposed to fix this summer by expanding the bench, and while I find Woody’s approach to using that rotation this year so far as…”Interesting”, it is obvious the guy is still focused on utilizing what he knows best rather than what he needs to learn more, which would make me more sympathetic to some of these six to eight point disappointments we have accumulated so far (the outliers are their own stories). Collins is not an impediment to a fast break system, rebound outlet pass to wing worked well for Shaq on a few of those rings he got, and that’s all he is and using that would allow both Josh and Al to lurk for the longer balls on either side. Hopefully we won’t get embarrassed against Dallas tonight, maybe even sneak a win out of it with that teary-eyed J-Smoove Redemption Game we would all like to see coming after the whiff dunk last night and a response from Jamal with a five dime game…

Sliver of hope stat to remember: We don’t have Sean May. That is all….

Grandad

December 5th, 2009
2:56 pm

Mr. Sugiura: I for one think your doing a commendabale job. As for potential trades mentioned on this site: Is that not what this site is about? Having a little fun, using one’s imagination. There are those on this site who wish to trade Marv because they will never allow him to be what he is. Which is a solid NBA player. As for Bosh; he is outa’ there so they will do well to get someone , anything for him. Marv would be overpaying for a 1/2 yr. rental.
Your last statement regarding Hawks play from one night to the next, and the fact that they revert to old habits. Then you mentioned “they don’t know either”. I’m certain that is true. When a team does not have a foundation and the coach has no discernable core beliefs its understandable that the players would have no answers. Well,they spout out answers, we/they don’t know our/their roles or we have to learn to trust each other. Tired old cliches they have been using for 6 yrs.

Ken Strickland – Last PM @ 11:30 I mentioned Bibby and had some rather
unflattering remarks. I just wanted you to know that you are not alone
in your crusade. This AM you mentioned that perhaps you were alone in the Bibby criticism. (just bringing it to your attn.) Even though I would love to see a big ath. [5] you are correct in your assessment that
stopping the ball @ the point of attack is the 1st line of def. It seems that we rely to greatly on Josh to clean up the mess. Maybe J.Teague could have handled Duhon.[not an all-star/if I'm correct]
When we were up 11-0 I believe Duhon was the one who jumpstarted the Knicks coming out of that TO.

All on here should understand that when I and probably others [when we call for a defensive minded Big/long/athletic/7 ftr.] we are not blaming anything on Big Al. He is undersized as a goaltender. Offensively and otherwise he is doing a yeoman’s job.

darrell starks – I’m with you again on Andris Biedrins. niremetal exlained that it would be nearly impossible to pull off, and explained tr. restrictions, etc. I had great difficulty wrapping my brain around
all that was involved. It does not stop me from wishing.

Keep it Real!

December 5th, 2009
3:01 pm

Woodie is not a good coach, he think this team can win withouth Josh Smith! Woodie use your bench so your starters can be fresh down the stretch. The bench played well against Toronto but saw limited action last night.

Also you cannot play one on one BB and think you are going to when in the play-offs!

JaBe

December 5th, 2009
3:39 pm

The Hawks will not win a NBA Championship as long as Woodson is the coach.

unknown

December 5th, 2009
3:55 pm

JEJE Collins in not worth playing. Thats why he signed for the NBA minimum. I guess it was Sund’s way of temporarily addressing a major concern. Its clear he could have done better.

newkid

December 5th, 2009
3:57 pm

You’re right Melvin, Wall’s absolutely terrific at the point. He and his Cats took my young Heels to school today. Hope to see you on a neutral court in April John Wall. If the Nets are fortunate enough to get him in the draft, he’ll really be appreciated in New York. Kid with his talent deserves a very large stage. If he could lace them up to play with the big boys TONIGHT, he’d be one of the top 3 or 4 point guards in the NBA. Would love to see him teamed with Lebron, Brook Lopez, and Bosh for the next half decade or so under the new Russian owner. The crowd from the Manhattan side of the East River might even change their loyalty.

Hate cell unite!

December 5th, 2009
3:59 pm

This is a forth seed team at best!

O'Brien

December 5th, 2009
4:03 pm

Ken,

If Woody wanted to control the pace, then he failed miserably, because it looked to me like the Knicks controlled the pace and tempo. They forced Woody to play small ball, which is what the Knicks wanted to do anyway. And they abused Bibby over and over defensively, and Bibby also did not contribute anything on the offensive end.

But your comments inadvertently emphasized an important flaw about Woody. When he has a plan/goal in mind, he is very stubborn and will not make any adjustments when it doesnt work. When it doesnt work, he tells them to try harder and play with more energy and intensity.

And lets keep in mind that the Mavericks lost to the Grizzlies on the road, Phoenix lost to the Knicks on the road, and Boston almost lost to the Knicks, again, on the road. The Hawks were playing at home. No excuses.

Melvin

December 5th, 2009
4:22 pm

Newkid,

Before the season started, I thought John Wall was gift wrap in a New York Knicks draft card (aka Pat Ewing in 1985) for the 2010 draft. But the Nets decided they were going to be the league doormats and put a Nets logo on the JW card. Devin Harris is on the block?????

Najeh Davenpoop

December 5th, 2009
4:47 pm

Melvin, the Knicks don’t have a first round pick this year. It was traded away in the Stephon Marbury deal and eventually ended up in the hands of the Utah Jazz.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 5th, 2009
4:55 pm

On that topic, it will be interesting to see how the draft goes down this year with Wall almost definitely the number one pick. Many of the current lottery teams either have what they think is a young, long-term solution at point guard (New Jersey, Utah, Golden State, Sacramento) and/or have invested a lot of money and/or draft picks in the position recently (Minnesota, Washington). I have a feeling there are going to be a lot of draft-day trades this year. In any event, the point guard position is as strong as I can remember it NBA-wide right now, and looks to be that way for a while.

O'Brien

December 5th, 2009
5:02 pm

Najeh,

Along those same lines, we have no idea if Teague is the long term solution after Mike Bibby, because Teague has gotten the Acie Law treatment so far.

If JJ signs somewhere else, I can see the Hawks trading Bibby.

Big Ray

December 5th, 2009
5:04 pm

I’d say that “they’re not as good as some of you thought, but not as bad as they seem” is about as safe an analysis that there is.

Everybody knows we’re not an elite team. What the smart-asses don’t get is that we’re TRYING to be one.

If this is who the Hawks are, then something has to change. Start with the easy part. Does it need to be the coach? Does it need to be who you center the team around? Does it need to be certain role players?

If this is who the Hawks are, then they are not who they need to be. It’s that simple. Changing it? Not so simple. I’m willing to bet that it’s more than just one thing.

I can tell you one thing right now: the coaching philosophy doesn’t match the players we have. Is that an indictment of the coach? No. Nor is it an indictment of the players. But the two are not matching up.

Woody is a defensive minded coach who says he likes for his guys to share the ball.

Yeah? So then why does this team continually give up so many points? Why are we resorting to ISOs and selfish play?

Something is amiss. It’s obvious. Tell you what else is obvious….no, I’ll wait. This is gonna go on a blog…

tbhawksfan

December 5th, 2009
5:13 pm

“it is hard to understand how they can get 25 assists one night and talk about playing unselfishly and revert to old habits the next night. i’m not sure they know the answer, either.”

Might want to find a good coach and ask him that question. I think he’d have an answer. Actually, I know he’d have an answer.

Please replace Mike Woodson

Melvin

December 5th, 2009
5:15 pm

Najeh,
I didnt realize that the Knicks didn’t own their 1st rnd pick. Oh my, this will set the franchise back even further b/c John Wall is in that Rose, D.Williams and Paul talent class coming into the draft. This kid is going to be special…

Of the teams you listed that has the potential (if losing is a talent) to have the number 1 pick, I only see Utah having an dilemma with picking Wall. Considering Hall talents, he may have that star power to put butts in seats. That alone would make a team find room on their roster for him….

NCBravesFan

December 5th, 2009
5:21 pm

Well it’s pretty clear that Sund is no dummy and he went out and got some nice pieces this summer. It will be interesting to see how long this pattern is allowed to persist.

cp

December 5th, 2009
5:27 pm

6th year as the head coach and Ol Woodrow still has not changed… He sticks to a script regardless of whats going on. Marvin can start out hot but you better believe Woodson will pull him at a certain point to bring in Crawford. It doesn’t matter if Joe or Bibby is struggling and Marv is hot because Marv is coming out. Woodrow still cant make adjustments, still cant utilize his bench, will go away from whats working, and still cant find a way to give the young pg consistent minutes regardless if the guy starting in front of him is having a bad night. We started off hot last year only to play a few games over .500 the rest of the season and this year looks no different.

bigdave

December 5th, 2009
5:40 pm

those 3 pt avg.’s in our losses are very scary… speaks to us again just falling in love with the perimeter hitting or missing. on breaks you’ll see players running to spot up and not to the rim. we are not that good of a shooting team. last year’s improvement was driven to a large degree by every player not named Joe Johnson shooting better or much better than their career averages from deep. i wouldnt bet on it happening again…

Ken Strickland

December 5th, 2009
5:41 pm

OBRIAN-you hit the nail on the head with your last comments. I remember the old Knicks, and the Hawks when Hubie Brown was the HC. Both teams focused on playing controlled halfcourt basketball, and most importantly, believed in using the entire 24sec clock. That not only forced the opposing DEF to work harder, it limited their number of possessions and their subsequent scoring. That, in a way, is a form of DEF strategy. Usually, teams that are considered the better DEF teams are also among the lowest scoring teams. Take the Spurs. Other than TDuncan and BBowen(although he’s retired), who else on that roster would you consider a solid defender(although TParker does do a very good job of making it difficult for opposing PG’s to get by him and make easy entry passes? They’ve mastered the halfcourt OFF and utilization of the clock on each possession, while keeping the score low for themselves and the opposition.

Woodson uses Bibby’s lack of speed, quickness and fatigue to maintain the pace he’s most comfortable with. Teague’s slowest speed is light yrs faster than Bibby’s, even when he was in his prime, and that’s not what Woodson wants. Isn’t it revealing how Woodson signs off on drafting Teague, praises him from draft day until the season starts, then proceeds to point out all of the things he feels he can’t do and uses that as his justification for basically ignoring him. He did the same thing with SStaudemire and ALaw.

A lot of you are now seeing and/or accepting what I’ve been seeing and making an issue of for over 2yrs now. It’s more noticable now because enough time has passed so that people can detect a pattern of behavior from him. Also, players and the team have advanced to a level that exposes Woodson’s agenda and coaching liabilities.

WHY HAVEN’T I GOTTEN A RESPONSE TO ANY OF MY QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF YOU WOODY LOVERS? WHERE ARE YOU, WHERE YOU AT, AND WHY ARE YOU SUDDENLY SO SILENT, ARE YOU HIDING? IS YOUR DEAFENING SILENCE A WAY OF ACKNOWLEDGING THE REALIZATION OF HOW WRONG YOU WERE IN YOUR PREMATURE ACCESSMENT OF WOODSON’S OVERALL COACHING COMPETENCE? COMEON COWARDS AND SPEAK UP. WE COULDN’T SHUT YOUR BUTTS UP EARLIER.

Ken Strickland

December 5th, 2009
5:56 pm

One other thing. NOW WE KNOW WHY WOODSON MADE SUCH A BIG ISSUE JUST BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED ABOUT NOT HAVING HIS CONTRACT EXTENDED. He knew he was in trouble and not up to the task the moment Sund addressed all of his previous excuses he’d conjured up to justify not using his bench, or developing and playing his young PG’s in waiting or overplaying his key players.

It’s funny how not too long ago we were leading the NBA in wins and several OFF and DEF categories. Yet, we’re playing a gm tonight against the Rockets, and I don’t have a clue in the world what to expect from this team or Woodson.

In the past, the Hawks have had some underwhelming HC’s that had GM’s that didn’t give them much to work with. Our last 2 GM’s have certainly done an excellent job of providing talent and depth, but we’re still dealing with an underwhelming HC.

darrell starks

December 5th, 2009
6:00 pm

Grandad i 100percent agree with you we need a center bad, i no nire have all the answer about trade clause but why when its time for us 2 make a move we have all this trade rule i dont understand, but when the CELTICS, LAKERS, CLEVLAND AND OTHER TEAM MAKE MOVE THEY JUST DO IT.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

December 5th, 2009
6:07 pm

Just look at the laker top 5 highest paid team in the nba last year, and still traded for PAU GASOL who was making all ready 17mill. and this year resign LAMAR ODOM FOR ABOUT 8MILL AND SIGN ARTEST FOR ABOUT 8MILL.
but when it come to the hawks we have all this trade rule i dont understand.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!

darrell starks

December 5th, 2009
6:12 pm

Rick sund the hawks will not contend with the big 3, unless we make a trade for a solid center like BEIDRIS and move big al 2 power forward and josh 2 play the small forward.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!

Clyde

December 5th, 2009
6:13 pm

tbhawksfan

December 5th, 2009
6:13 pm

darrell, it’s not that hard to understand, the rich get richer. GBA

tbhawksfan

December 5th, 2009
6:19 pm

Einstein said something like: the definition of folly is to do a stupid thing over and over. Too bad he never met Woodson, he would have made a perfect case study.

newkid

December 5th, 2009
6:25 pm

Knicks have mucho cap space next summer, but they’re up against the Wall due to their absent pick. It LBJ hopes to both compete for the O’Brien trophy within the next couple of years AND play in the Big Apple, it’s gotta be in Brooklyn rather than Manhattan with Wall running the point. No owner is going to allow a GM or HC to sit John Wall simply because he’s a rookie. Devin Harris could fetch a pretty nice 2-guard in a trade, but could also be a piece in a sign-n-trade (can you say Joe Johnson?) if the Nets decide it’s more important to pair Lebron with an established 2-guard rather than a 4 like Bosh. Of course that means we say goodbye to Bibby next year as we reshape the backcourt. Would Devin Harris and JCross be a workable pair in the starting backcourt here?

O'Brien

December 5th, 2009
6:32 pm

I remember one thing about Woody in previous seasons. He coached better when he had less options. Maybe thats the only way he knows how to coach.

This year, he has all this depth, and he still doesnt play them. This season, Joe Smith is averaging 9 minutes per game, and ZaZa is averaging 14 minutes per game.

It seems to me that Woody only wanted these guys in case of injuries. Not to use them on a regular basis.

Ken, btw, its O’BRIEN with an E.

Grandad

December 5th, 2009
6:33 pm

Bibby, Woody, and draft pick for A.Biedrins.