Hawks-Knicks thread

Balance, balance, and good passing can get us another big win. It would be fun to see the post players get more shots than the back court for the second game in a row. Not many, just a couple. Another good showing by Marvin and Evans would also be great. Another blowout would set us up well for Dallas – emotionally and physically.

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I agree with the comments made. The Hawks play their best basketball when they share it and everyone scores in the flow of the game. Let’s hope we don’t see many ISO plays throughout the game.

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*JJ points are not as important in the first half as points in the low post

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Truth-Serum,

I still say we go low first and if we have trouble let the guards take over. But yea I agree with you. By going low does not necessarily mean going ISO low. Getting into attack the rim by all and making them defend is more what I mean.

I love it when JJ and Jamal drive and even when Marvin drives. By doing this they have to work harder and we have a better chance at put backs and rebounds, not to mention less chances for fast break opportunities for the opponent.

Of course we should do this style of offensive in as much up tempo style as possible. Conceding the fact we don’t have that center you want, the best we can do is make their centers run.

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On the peach tree blog during game time chat we call Josh for his bad decisions and Smoooth for his good.
I posted that we ought to do the same for JJ – Joe for the good plays and Dick (Johnson) for the bad.
We are at home so I predict a Joe night. Go Hawks!

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KevinA, I like to see a player create his own shots. I say yes dump the ball in and let horford go to work, let josh go to work, if you want to call that ISO, ok, call it what you will. Motion offense works in transition or once its been established that you plan on attacking the weakness of your opponents. First establish that you plan on attacking and once they adjust or over compensate then start a motion half court offense.

Weapons are to be used.

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Totonto pissed lol 22-7 ahead of the Wizards. Was it coach or player who makes the difference. I always lean toward the players taking responsibility.

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goodness… Nique is in his sloppy mid/post-game form early tonight…

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Knicks’ sideline reporter is much hotter than ours

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iso Nique the worst of them all…!!

Nire… o yea… Walt has some verbiage for ya.. .but he gets a pass as well due to his Atl roots…

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wow, 11-0 run, not bad

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Well off to a good start. Marvin producing

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Inside out and everything inbetween

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great pass AL!!!!

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lol these 3 pointers are saving the knicks

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Knicks should be down by 15 pts they’ve gotten lucky with all these 3’s

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another 3

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damn the 3 pointers

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Like I said

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Are the Hawks gonna put some bodies on Duhon and Harrington?

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I think Teague should def get mins this game against this sorry Knicks D

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there you go marvin

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Thats the 1st time I’ve seen Marvin finish a 3 pt play

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mo evans is just horrible

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i dont like the looks of this…

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Cut out Knicks three pointers and let’s see what offense they run!

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if only marvin was consistent

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What the hell is Woody thinking with this lineup?

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Hawks choking. And Woody wont put Teague out there but the Knicks trust Douglas. Thats Bullsh*t.

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WORST DEFENSIVE 3 PT TEAM IS……………

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Thats the Marvin I know missing wide open shots

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what is woody doing?

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putrid defense and if we do not wake up we may be in trouble…

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Looks like the Raptors stayed back in the ATL and decided to wear the Hawks jerseys for a day. I didn’t know James Worthy starts for the Knicks and wears #7.

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How are they allowing Al Harrington to go off like this. It boggles my mind.

I’m just guessing here, but I think you’ll see the starters play heavy minutes in this one. I think we’ll find a way to win, but Woody has to keep in mind that we’re on the front-half of a back to back here.

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Man, I had a feeling NY would come in here like this.

And we’re playing no defense.

Trap game.

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lmaooooooooooo wow

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A missed dunk, are you f-cking serious…

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Man I’m scared to think what Lebron is gonna do to the Hawks. If HArrington can dominate the Hawks Lebron is might have 55 with a triple double.

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This game is being sponsored by the Georgia Tech School of Architecture. Hawks throwing up enough bricks to build a damn skyscraper, and finding new ways to do so.

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Oh sh*t

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josh said f you lol

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Wow, I did not see that coming.

Seriously, what could he have said to get himself ejected?

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Thats game

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oops.

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Why didnt JJ or Bibby go get Josh right after he got the first technical?

And did Woody put Mo Evans in instead of Joe Smith?

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Dont worry people, we’ll still win by double digits even without Josh, because we are the ELITE hawks.

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This game is a perfect reason why Woodson should be fired. Talks all that sh*t about defense but can’t even get his team to play D. D’antoni adjusted after the 11-0 start but Woody’s dumb*ss didn’t

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Where in the F was the LEADER to go and calm Josh down? Delaney was looking to T Josh up as it was.

Delaney made a crappy call, but somebody should have gotten in Josh’s face and pulled him away already.

Even ‘Nique could see it.

And we’re losing.

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i heard what josh said lol but it was after he got ejected

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did he say “man, f*ck you???”

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This one’s gonna be a frustrating one.

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yea mactown thats what i heard

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Marvin you suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!!!!!!

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thats weak Marvin… where is your post game?

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With Josh out, it’s Marvin’s time to shine, and he just showed you why he ws drafted before Chris Paul. What a talent.

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Maybe one of Josh’s teammates should have calmed him down, but I’m not a big fan of shifting blame in this type of situation. As a professional, you need to know that after you get one tech, you need to shut the f-ck up.

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go, najeh, that’s exactly what I was thinking, we need a fresh josh smith for tomorrow

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look at the hawks body language

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Did the entire hawks team bet on the knicks tonight?

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Josh didn’t say anymore than he normally does, nor did he act up anymore. He complained about the “no call”, and Delaney tossed him….from freakin’ half court. BS.

Josh should chill the complaining, but he doesn’t make anymore noise than guys like Garnett, Wallace, and several others. Delaney just wasn’t feeling it, and he nailed him. But nobody was talking to Josh. So either there is some teammate leadership missing here, or the other guys did’t react because they didn’t think back-to-back techs were coming.

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Let’s be honest, even without Smoove, the Hawks should roll over these Knicks. The Knicks are horrible and we’ve gottem at home. We’ve heard all season how deep the Hawks are, well, let’s see it.

Still pretty pathetic to see that the Hawks can’t come out and put teams like this away early. They’ve got to remain aware to the fact that we’ve got another game tomorrow. So, you can’t tire yourselves out playing the lowly Knicks.

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Woodson- “Well I would like to know why the seats aren’t filled in the arena”?

Maybe it’s becuz noone wants to PAY to see this.

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foul on Pachulia? I thought stars got all the calls…

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hawks wont win this game. hawks dont look like they even want to play

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I guess this is one of those frequent gms where Woodson has decided he’ll ride his vets instead of trying to actually coach. In a fast pace gm like this, Teague would be far better option than Bibby, especially when Bibby isn’t guarding anyone or hitting his shot.

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3 point contest

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Why the Heck is Woody playing Joe at PF spot?

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The Knicks have scored 60+ in the first half.

Seriously? That’s a joke.

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David Lee gets 2 easy buckets inside.

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This one would literally flip me from a believer to a non-believer…

That’s how disappointed a loss here at home to the Knicks would be.

Mind-boggling.

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This team looks lost on the floor without Josh. Point blank, Josh is the heart and soul of this team.

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Please understand that’s this is just frustration talking from me. Scroll passed it if you must.

FRUSTRATED!!!!!!!!!

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“past”

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Stinger really should consider head coaching…

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Big Ray,
Josh is the guy we don’t need huh? That’s why the Knicks scored 3 easy layups in the paint after he went out the game. The guy fills up the stat sheet every night. He’s like Lebron without the scoring…..Look at the stats, the guy we don’t need is Marvin…that’s the bum we don’t need.

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Enter your comments herBlast the Hawks ARE pathetic (at least right now. This team looks like they could care less. Thats why I won’t actually pay my money to see them until they learn to be a consistent team. And after what 4 years they still haven’t figured that out.

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Adjustments and Mike Woodson go together about as good as shorts in Alaska in January.

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MacTown I cosign 100%

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They are isolating Bibby and getting to the basket like he’s not even there, which isn’t far from the truth. GET HIM OUT OF THE GM WOODSON. The Knicks have taken control of the gm and we haven’t done one noticable thing to change anything.

NUNNA YO BIZNEZZ-BIG RAY-I guess we now know how long it would take Woodson to go back into his coaching shell, exactly one gm. I’m going to hold out hope that he’ll try to come up with some kind of stategy or adjustment during halftime, because he certainly didn’t do a dam thing during the gm.

All of this isn’t Woodson’s fault. JJ and Bibby have to be more aware and make a concerted effort to play better DEF and get the ball inside and STOP TRYING TO MATCH THE KNICKS IN 3PT SHOOTING. We didn’t get our early lead by shooting 3 pointers, but by going inside to our Bigs. At some point, our PG, Bibby, has to recognize what’s going on and get everyone back on track. It’s not all up to Woodson, because a lot of what takes place on the court is in Bibby and JJ’s hands.

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The Knicks have no problem putting Douglas out there, but dumba*s woody wont put Teague in. wtf is up with that??????????

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The Hawks strike me as ALL TALK in post game interviews and less action on the court, especially with Woody and Joe Johnson. It’s always the same deal on the court.

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Josh was fouled several times around the rim and was not getting the calls, however, his continuous complaints were too much, specially after the T.

His botched slam also shows that today he was back to childish Josh.

Furthermore Al Harrington was his assignment in some plays (most were switches) and he didn’t follow him to the outside whilst he was hot, not stopped him man to man on Al’s moves inside.

I think Harrington will not be able to keep this up and we really need JJ to step up without ISOs. Just play ball, share it and find the free man like in the first 7 minutes of the first quarter.

Then the Knicks are bound to tire and their wheels will fall out. However, we really need to keep the cool and clamp down on defense. Maybe straight up man to man works better today than the switches.

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Zaza looked so determined in sideline view, I think he’s about to go off for 40

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This is where it begins. Can Woody get these guys back on track, fired up, and whoop this inferior team?

Or are we going to watch ISO plays, no defense, and a meltdown that could spill over into other games? Are we going to watch Joe play another 20-21 minutes and go 6-22? This second half is very important.

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Quick POLL, Right Now who do you think is the Hawks Most Important Player?

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Ramon,

J-Smoove.

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Marvin the 1 qtr wonder

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Marvin has absolutely no game w/in 10ft of the rim…

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Damn I wanna puch woody in the face. I hate that stupid look he has on his face.

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Glad to see we started the 3rd qtr attacking the basket..

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maybe Joe can turn into “Blazer Joe” tonight… his game is stinky right now…

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What a look of a leader Woodson has…

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LMFAO…LOL…

what kind of D was that?

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^^ should be obvious, but I meant to start this half…

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Sam from Da Swats ,

I was being sarcastic. I’m a Josh Smith fan. I make no apologies. He f’ed up, but I also think he got a raw deal at the same time. I’ve gotten that mad in games before. Maybe that’s why they convinced me to switch to football.

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WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU CALL A TIMEOUT TO STOP YOUR OWN RUN???

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Mike Woodson should try another gimmick. Tell the players he’ll grow his Steve Harvey fade back if they actually play tough defense.

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It seems every since JJ said he wanted to become an elite player, the team has suffered the most. Its almost as if his goals specifically affects the team negatively. It makes you wonder does he really know what he is saying. I think most elite players just are elite, its not something they do that hurts the team. Its almost as if anytime JJ has the ball in his hands for more than 4 seconds, only bad things happen.

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why is Mike Dantoni considered an elite NBA coach?

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Finally, the Hawks show some life on the defensive end.

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Why is it that when Al has a clear advantage in the post, the Hawks want to make it hard on themselves by playing perimeter basketball. Amazing.

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Jody becuz Mike Woodson doesn’t want to something that obviously makes this team better. He wants to stay stubborn.

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Thank you Marvin…bout damn time!!

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Love the way Horford is playing.

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Can Al get a foul call with Harrington leaning on him? And what kind of lineup is this?

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WTF

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Ken S,

I’m surprised Teague hasnt gotten more PT already, because he probably wont play much tomorrow night. Actually, I’m not surprised Teague has not gotten more PT.

Is it just me, or has Mo Evans struggled of late?

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I’d rather lean on Jamal and Al right now. Too bad Al is not in the game, now we get more pounding of the basketball.

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I know Woody is not yellin at Teague for that. Woody’s the one that got people switchin

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Bone

Woody told not to grab, and use his body.

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Play the 4th the same way take the ball deep in the paint and they(new york) will fold. Go job by Zaza.

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Marvin a super star

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Hey Bone get a grip Woodson was only coaching, let a master do his work. This coaching thing comes naturally to Woodson, atleast that’s what the E&J tells him back in the office.

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haha… Nique doesn’t like Joe…

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10…9…8…7…

You wanna start movin a bit quicker Joe?

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its early but this Joe Johnson/ Jamal Crawford thing isn’t what i envisioned…

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Al needs to make more shots. Hes got no real center on the floor to stop him if he can make a shot.

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blazer Joe…

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Nice board Marvin. Way to attack the basket, even if you couldn’t get it to go.

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Great effort Marvin..but damn yo a$$ is clumsy!!

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i wonder what type play that is when 2 screeners come at once for Mike bibby… is that some sort of PG option play…? where he can got to one side or the other, or just no damn logic our scheme.

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turnover teague came in at an impact moment, turned the ball over and the coach took him out. Good call Woodson

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Joe flirting with a triple double. He needs 2 more boards, 2 more assists.

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Take his azz joe

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See Bibby doesn’t have the legs to get a rebound but teague does.

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The Hawks defensive effort:

Now you see it, now you don’t.

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Didnt Bibby just get out of the way of the drive because he does not want to pick up his 5th foul?

If that was Teague, Woody would have been all over him for giving up those 2 easy points.

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Josh is being missed

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makin guys like “Wilson Chandler” look like first ballot hall of famers.

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we’re not even pretending like we are trying to play D now. hey, want a layup? come on down!!!

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I used Wilson Chandler on a video game and it crashed my system…i mean come on this is unreal

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Truth Serum,

We must have been thinking the same thing.

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Blowing by Bibby on every possession.

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And he still refuses to put Teague in. UNBELIEVABLE

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This game feels like it’s over, even with that nice Crawford steal on the break. Joe Johnson refuses to share the ball, and he’s not good enough to take this game over.

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Lets see what dumb*ss play woody draws up

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this team needs a guard that can play D, and no, Teague is not that guy.

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Simple as that. Work out of Horford inside. Trust him to make the right decisions. All of those blown possessions playing one on one basketball will come back to bite the Hawks tonite.

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a stop and a 3…

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so we figure out now??

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All has been on the bench so how can you go to him?

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embarrassing

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Al got pushed off the block again. This team has no fear of horford and they dont have a legit center. Hawks need a center

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Truth Serum,

Box score says Teague has no turnovers.

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how many times are we just gonna back off the guy with the ball and let them take a open jumper? and the way this team handles screens defensively is pathetic.

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clearly without josh the knicks drove the ball all over the hawks

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When did Teague turn the ball over?

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I hope what’s left of the crowd boos the Hawks off the court. They deserve it. This game was pathetic.

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Thats what I’m sayin Big Ray. Teague hasn’t done anything wrong and he gets yelled at and pulled. But Bibby just plays no defense and he stays out there.

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This one’s a tough one to swallow. Really, this one is simply mind-boggling. The Hawks are better this year, but losing games like this really takes all the excitement out of them. Now, you’ve got a tough game lined up tomorrow night against a team that’s playing as good or maybe even better than these Hawks. What makes matters worse, we’re coming off a tough loss tonite with starters seeing heavy minutes.

Again, just frustrating.

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Jody,

He didn’t. He only played one minute. This is why I laugh when people start talking about losing games because we gave the kid minutes. Ha! Explain THIS $hit!

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Sorry asise Nicks going to the rack and nobody to defend. Cant Horford defend the Rack? What the hell is he going to do in the high levels of the playoffs. The Hawks are a joke!

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Joe always follows his shot

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HAwks are the only team that can make the Knicks look like the Lakers.

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I can hear it now. “See, I told you that Raptors game was BS, the Hawks suck.”

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THE HAWKS = THE BIGGEST UNDERACHIEVERS IN THE LEAGUE

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Jerenovich just saind the hawks can do nothing to stop the drives to the basket. DUH. How far do you think we will go in the playoffs with all at the center spot?

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LMAO@Rathbun and Nique tryin to make this lost feel better

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Hawks are over achievers they dont have a center. its amazing what they done with out being able to protect the basket.

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“well the knicks have lots of losses..but they played some really good teams down to the wire”

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yuck.

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Big Ray,

I didn’t think he did. In the long run, the team benefits from playing more now, but you can’t tell Mike Woodson that. The Hawks were not smart enough to go inside and they paid for it. If they have to rely solely on Josh Smith to protect the basket, this team is in SERIOUS trouble.

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The MAvs are gonna bend the Hawks over 2morrow and pump them HARD. Now I wanna hear all the idiotic optimistic Hawks fans who say “don’t panic it’s just one game”

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Call blame that on switching Ray. Just own up to the fact we got a power forward playing center and its a weak link that teams attack us on. Even body knows Horford cant defend the basket. Get some coffee and wake up to reality.

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See? When David Lee was driving, where was Horford? Near the top of the key, trying to keep one of those damn guards from drilling another 3 ball. Why was Horford up there? Switching defense.

If you want to blame one of the few guys who played decent in this game, go ahead. Yeah, what kind of center puts up 17 points and 14 rebounds, despite his team’s need to chuck long ball shots all game instead of giving him the ball?

Why can’t Al Horford guard all of the other team’s opposing guards? Doesn’t he know he’s supposed to play 1 on 5 on defense? Heh….

I’m out. The Dallas game won’t be pretty if we don’t get it together.

I thought Woody was a defensive coach. I guess the entire team decided not to listen to him, huh? Yeah, that must be it.

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Rick Sund was sooooo smart for not giving woody a contract. I think Sund knows that woody is bad but he just needed to make sure.

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*cant blame that on switching. Every one know Horford cant defend the basket. Its our most major weakness and it be notated by almost every announcer and sports publication. Tonight was no different. Wake up and smell the coffee.

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The hawks should change their names to the ATLANTA PIGS IN LIPSTICK

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Truth Serum,

It doesn’t matter. He can defend the rim, but not if he isn’t NEAR the rim. You must not be watching the same game I was watching. Horford was consistently playing defense at the top of the key. I kept seeing guys scoring baskets on our GUARDS, who were playing defense down on the low block.

Have my coffee, I’m already awake, dude. Aren’t you the same one who said Teague was Mr. Turnover? Dude didn’t even get the chance to turn the ball over. Wasn’t in there long enough. By the way, he averages half a turnover a game. A real turnover machine, I tell ya.

Hawks would have been fine if Josh Smith would have been in there. He and Al play off of each other. When one is missing, nobody steps up, and the other guy gets exposed because that stupid switching defense has them running all over the place.

The Knicks knew they could run a layup drill then, because Al would be near the top of the key, and they could run screens and layups all night. And they did.

Blame it all on Al if you want. This team sucked on defense, and the defensive scheme sucked, too.

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aye… Bibby a year older, and you bring in Crawford not known for his defense… hey, expect a drop of in defensive prowess…

jeckle and hyde team right now… way too inconsistent…

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Yeah, but were they saying we lost it because of Horford? Nope. Stop the madness. Watch the game again. Take the center away from the paint, take the power forward out of the game, and you can run layups all night. But it’s all good. Blaming Al makes ya feel better, do what you gotta do.

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Co-sign Ray. Although I think we might have been fine if Woody had tried using Horford and Zaza or Horford and Joe more often. Woody’s solution when Josh went down, though, was just to lean harder on the rest of his Top 6.

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Orlando, LA, Boston.

Those are the only teams I see in this league of being ELITE. The Hawks are jocking for position amongst that next tier of teams – Cleveland, Denver, Dallas, Phoenix, etc.

Losses to the Bobcats, Hornets, Pistons, and now the Knicks disqualify any thought that these Hawks being of ELITE status.

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Im poking fun at teague Ray. He is a rookie and makes rookie mistakes. As for the al and josh statement. Josh dont need al to block a shot or make a basket Josh creates and block his own. Al cant do either.

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Wabe,

I agree and until ownership and management get serious about title contention instead just “staying competitive”, it will remain that way.

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Wabe, although I agree with you, Boston beat the Knicks by 2 points. Phoenix was blown out by the Knicks. They are just an unorthodox team that can sneak up on teams at times. We didn’t match their intensity. The Hawks will be ok…

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Hey Mr. Sund,

Can we have a center?

Look what it’s done for New Jersey. How about Indiana. Charlotte. Milwaukee. Philadelphia. Miami. Portland. Memphis. Golden State. Sacramento. Memphis. San Antonio. Oklahoma City.

All those teams have real centers.

What’s that? They all have worse records than us? Huh. How about that. Doesn’t seem possible with our sorry-ass, fake-ass center….

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Post game interview with Woodson, and all he could talk about was how our defense really missed J-Smoove. How he erases so many mistakes.

Hey, Smoove is a PF. All the announcers, commentators, even the coach. Not one thing said about losing out on defense because of our center. All of it because we were missing our starting PF…go figure….

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I have had the pleasure of meeting you Jody so shout to you.

Im not sure we need size as much as we need someone who understands how to play in the paint. A natural center. It is our most major deficit.Horford is not that man.

Big Ray, Horford is not the only player on the team, we win or lose as a team. That does
not excuse that Al cant play the post. Some times you have to play a certain style to compensate for your weakness, like bibby and horford.

Have a good night

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tonite was a good time to extend the team concept and play more guys like we did against toronto.

we needed some beef up front and we have decent beef with randmo in the game up front..couple him along with horford and some teague time to shore up the defense and create opps for joe and crawford on da wings and we gets a W tonite yall!!

but,like i said in the “anti ken”blog earlier,woody did the obvious..look for a coaching change between now and the all star break..

rick sund is not going to let this fool destroy a good team,and “WASTE” a season on his bad coaching..

if he does,then,SUND NEEDS TO GO!!

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Ray, I think he was referring to Josh’s blocks and how no one else on the team can do that. I like what stinger said. Josh’s absence reminded us how much we need to improve in the paint.

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Truth Serum,

We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Al and Josh play off of each other on defense the same way Rasheed Wallace and Ben Wallace used to when they played with Detroit. We saw this last year as well.

Josh should be considered for DPOY, and I wouldn’t put Al up there. But Al is no slouch defensively. He just can’t do it all by himself. Josh is a FREAK defensively.

And I think Al did just fine creating his own shot when they gave him the ball. Yeah, shooting 5-11 is not great, but when they gave it to him, he drove, got fouled, was able to hit hook shots. He didn’t hit every shot, but 17 and 14 is a nice double double. You can at least give the man credit for that.

I’ve never said he’s the best thing you can have at center. But he certainly isn’t the worst. We could have Brendan Haywood or somebody like that. Seven feet of worthlessness. You only get a Brook Lopez if you draft him. Nobody trades a 7-footer that can play. NOBODY.

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I expect the Mavericks to beat us underneath too!

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Truth Serum,

I’m all for a bigger guy at center. As long as he can play. We don’t need a stiff. All too often, there’s a stiff available. Until then, we have to make do with a shorter guy. It sucks, but like I said, we can do worse, much worse.

I agree on Josh. Dude is just freakin’ crazy good on defense, as long he wants to be. He’s our catalyst.

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Josh Smith. What can I say? Inmense talent, but I have never seen an NBA player complain to the officials more than he does. When will he ever mature? A missed dunk and not being able to control his emotions.
that is one more reason why he will not be an all-star

Then you must have started watching NBA ball yesterday. Never heard of Ron Artest, Rasheed Wallace….

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We do disagree. I do also agree. Al is not the worst center in the NBA. I just thinking about winning not mediocrity.

There are many centers who can play that have been traded. I disagree with you. Ive seen it done too many times. I dont think sund is capable of making the deal.

Night to ya’ll

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Three factors killed us today:

1. Josh’s childish behavior. After the first T he should have shut his mouth. It’s inexcusable since we obviously miss his defense and energy.

2. Woody’s lack of control over the game flow:

a) Poor defense – switching was not working Woody, wake up!! The Knicks were getting to the rim easily because Al was being attracted to the perimeter.

b) Bibby’s poor overall game which was not compensated by Woody by giving Teague more minutes.

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Oh yeah, look all that dancing The James Gang did during pre-game on the court… Get that mess out of here….

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Big Ray

December 4th, 2009
10:15 pm

We are on the same page Ray!!! Good points.

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nunna,

I wouldnt be surprise if we get blowout tomorrow night. But then again, Im sure our COY will have a strategy for tired legs….

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This is from Bone: “Mavs gonna bend Hawks over and pump them hard”? What’s up with the gay reference, dude? This is a sports blog!

This loss hurt. This game sucked. Josh getting ejected had a lot to do with it, but not all. After Josh went out, Knicks attacked the rim with ferocity. Somehow Hawks could not respond. So if Josh got injured for a stretch, how will Hawks rebound? Coach fault? Player fault?

Just curious to see how they handle themselves versus Dallas on the road. 13-6 record. Lost 2 @ home, one to the lowly freaking Knicks!

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maybe we should just play boston every night, we seem to at least get up for them energy-wise

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Melvin,

I co-sign on that. Josh should not be totally blamed for getting ejected. When it’s CLEAR he’s getting mauled and getting NO CALL, he’s got to have some channel to vent, especially when his coach simply ignores it, and essentially excuses the incompetence of the refs against his own player.

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Vava,

And that’s fair?

Look, somebody should have pulled Josh aside. I agree that he needed to shut up, but when you have a 23 year old hothead yapping, you grab his ass and pull him farther away from the ref. You don’t look the other way, then wonder what happened when he gets tossed. Where’s the veteran leadership?

Nah, I shouldn’t even be looking for that, because there IS none. I’ll just tack that onto Josh. It’s up to him to make sure he stays in the game so we can win. Lord knows we can’t leave it up to our max money player or the COY….

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Blast

December 4th, 2009
10:26 pm

Keeping it real post blast!

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Big Ray,

You hit the nail on the head.

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If the hawks have to lose 11 games for Mike Woodson so be it. I’m serious. This team will not make progress with Woodson. I’m actually hoping they lose now so we really have a legit reason to can him.

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O’brien is right, unfortunately. I like it better when we have those Sybil moments and just share the ball. Doesn’t happen often enough. Wonder why….no I don’t. I KNOW….

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I’m out. See y’all tomorrow. Hoping for a better result, but I can see where we can easily have a bad december and slide right out of contention for the top 4 spots. I hope not, but he opportunity is there.

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Sporting news did a list with the 50 best players in the game nowadays, of which only 6 were centers. Our undersized center was in postion 35, and #4 between all centers in the nba. But what do they know? Al sucks!! He has to go up to the key to defend smaller players leaving the rim unprotected, but i guess that is his fault too. He has stopped a few 7 footers this season, but it must have been luck because he cannot protect the rim. The guy was a monster in Florida, and in the NBA cannot be stopped by most PF and C, but still he does not get enough touches and still manages to put double-double numbers, but that does not matter because he cannot create his own shot!!

But hey, some of you experts are right!! Lets send Al to the bench and ask 7 feet-tall Randmo to handle the C; Or lets send Al to the wizards for Javale Mcgee.

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richbrave

December 4th, 2009
10:55 pm
BIG RAY:

Thought you might be interested in my latest rant on “WIZARDS INSIDER” since it so clearly shows what desire to win can do for a talented team like the HAWKS in relation to tonight’s love-fest with the KNICKS. DAMMIT, both my teams lose tonight. Heads will roll.

I posted this up on your blog also RAY. I wanted to be sure you saw it. And I see from your 8:21 here you can relate.

WIZARDS revert to form tonight, to wit: LIZARDS. Winning five of six is too heavy a burden for this team to carry. “Glory, glory, hallelujah, when I lay my burden down….” [PORGY and BESS].

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And a third time. “Lay my burden down.” In other words…….wait, try this…….in FLIP SAUNDERS’ words, this team can’t stand prosperity. My sentiments exactly. While the phyrric “feel good, we played a good game” carma flowed around the arena and into t.v. land homes, FLIP called it like it was. “Two non-playoff teams…..”

Coaches disgust at kicking a sure win in the head, and snapping the winning spirit birthed by four wins in five games was palpable. Unfortunately, I was right on the money before the game, during the game, and now with the post-mortems. Damm, I hate it when I’m right.

The answer is to first try to instill that winning team spirit in the individual players…….that f*** you opponent, WE are NOT going to lose, so don’t swell up on me. And then secondly, begin the process of weeding out the ones who are infected with losers malaise and are unwilling to change.

Player accountability is on the horizon in D.C. for the first time in a long time.

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If I was the Hawks HC and I saw JJ consistently running the clock down and pounding the ball trying to go inside, I’d make an adjustment and post him up inside. I WONDER WHY THE COY HASN’T THOUGHT OF THAT. HOW CAN A DEFENSIVE MINDED HC LEAVE BIBBY IN THE GM FOR 33MINS AND HE TAKES ONLY 6SHOTS, SCORES 6PTS, HAS 2 ASSISTS AND PROVIDES A STARGATE PORTAL TO THE BASKET FOR 4 NY GUARDS WHO ALL SCORED BETWEEN 16 AND 25PTS?

COY MY A$$.

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Josh Smith was embarrassed about missing a wide open dunk, and like many 12 year olds took it out by poutng.

Smith is a lazy idiot and he puts the letter n in the word.

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I left off one item…when mr.w. made his comment about he hoped to go 10-4 or 8-6 or whatever; that drives me nuts. He is building in losses before they occur. I was criticized for saying something similar before
but that seems to perpetuate an excuse making loser’s s mentality. I realize going undefeated is virtually impossible, but Aim for the stars
that way if you miss you still hit the moon.

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Ken Strickland is the WORD!!

No sign of Samuel tonight. After our disgraceful performance tonight even he couldn’t put a good word in on our coach. D’Antonio schooled Woody tonight.

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4th seed teams suck.

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This is Woodrows 6th year and its the same crap. W

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I can envision Rick Sund handing Woody some rope …. And Woody saying ” Thanks Rick, I can
always that for something or other !!

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FIRE WOODY

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Good coaches make adjustment why do woody continue 2 have the same starting line up. BIBBY, JOE, MARVIN, JOSH, HORFORD.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!

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I no marvin scored 20points last night but its just feel like he have no impact when playing.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!

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Rick sund go get biedrins right now as you can see we need a center bad, not just any sorry 7′0 center but a center who can play AND GET UP AND DOWN THE COURT LIKE BIEDRINS CAN.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!

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You can always spot the unlearned wantabe fan’s because their emotions rise and fall with every win or lost.. At the end of 82 games they are irrational radicals, like the chief hater on this site.

For the balanced, keep in mind that we have 1 second tier allstar, no legitimate center, a guard who is can not defend and gets back down every time the other teams need a sure basket.We have a open invitation to the basket because our center cant defend the post. These are weakness that the other coaches can and will exploit. You cant stop it with the talent we have. (lack of talent)Im ok with switching because man to man we would be less than a .500pct team. We have too many holes with bibby and, horford. This is an average team who looks good most of the time because of woody’s ability to compensate for these weaknesses. No team with one second tier all star can really hope to play like an elite team. So why be surprised when they dont? They arent an elite team, just a decent team with one second tier allstar.Although crawford is flasy and a good player he is not much better than flip, given the same number of minutes.

Dont get your hopes up and down. This team does not have much allstar caliber talent that would make them an titlist type team. No, some days you lose to the knicks and other days beat the celtics. By the Way. Even the lakers, celtic, cleveland and orlando, have days where they lose to the bottom teams or have a two, three game losing streak. Most fans support their teams through times like those, we call for the coaches head as if we are the defending champs. Do we have an 1st tier all star? This is not a championship team so stop expecting one!

Just keeping it real

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What is this talk about we need a center badly? No we don’t. If Smoove and Horford are playing the best ball of all the roster now, and its at their CURRENT positions, why would you change their positions? Many of our games get lost when Smoove or Horford attempts a difficult shot, and then Woody and JJ doesn’t go back to them for the next 4 min. But JJ can make difficult drives and shot attempts 7 out of 8 trips down the court, and doesn’t get anything but a hard look from Woody. Our front court is fine.

This is exactly why I don’t like coming here after a loss, because some of you guys go to the extreme after a loss. The Knicks won this game because every thing Harrington threw up went in during the first quarter, and the Knicks got away with a lot of fouls. Now if the Hawks come and win by 13 tonight, half of these comments will disappear.

The Hawks biggest problem is when JJ plays like he’s on a 13 win team. Have you guys noticed how much better the Hawks play when Smoove and Horford is 1/2 in scoring during the first half of games? The entire first half should be about getting those two in their zone and at the free throw line. And THEN you let JJ play more one on one in the 4th quarter if needed sometimes. But JJ will shoot a higher percentage and average more points by deferring to the low post block. Because the double team will come the same way Smoove was double teamed the other night.

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Ramón: JJ is in a contract year. He won’t allow a cut in his touches no matter what.

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You are right, Kobe became more efficient by doing that. If JJ can get out of his ISO J confort zone, the team will be better. The thing is, will he do that?

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MIKE WOODSON IS THE REASON THIS TEAM IS UNDERACHIEVING.

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I am so relieved some other team gave the Nets their first win. I was worried for a minute our wacky Hawks would be the first to do so.

Too much orange and blue in the house last night. Couldn’t tell the Gators from the Knicks fans. It is becoming sickening to the stomach how Atlanta is not showing up for the NBA games taking place in their own city. I am tired of other teams’ fans taking over our NBA arena.

Yeah you can blame low crowds on the Hawks not beating teams they’re supposed to beat but think about it the Falcons haven’t exactly been so great this season. And yet they have a loyal following that fill up the dome and are loud for the entire game. The Falcon tickets are more expensive than the Hawks tickets so don’t give me the economy is bad line. If you can drop $55 to sit in the nosebleeds at the Falcons game, surely you can drop $10-$30 for a seat in the upper level at a Hawks game.

It’s messed up how the Knicks fans show more support for their team with a losing record than Atlanta who has a team with a winning record.

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Ken, I am with you on Bibby. He played 33 minutes of horrible defense, 6 pts, 2 assists, 3 rebounds and 5 fouls. But yet Woody and others are concerned about Teague’s minutes costing us games.

Also, JJ played 44 minutes last night. Will anyone be surprised if he goes 6-20 tonight? Our starting PF played 13 minutes, but his backup Joe Smith only played 5 minutes. Good thing we have all this depth huh Woody?

ZaZa started the 3rd quarter scoring 5 quick points, but was never seen or heard from again. How is that good coaching? And for those of us complaining about the players, a good coach will make the most of what he has. The problem is the Hawks have no identity, no system, and make no adjustments.

And Smoove’s ejection did not cost us the game, lets not forget that the Hawks were up by 1 going into the 4th quarter. I thought Woody was a defensive minded head coach? Where’s the defensive adjustments?

The question is which Hawks team (and which Woody) will show up tonight?

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Anthony, so you’re saying all but 6 teams in the league (cause their can only be 6 teams who are seeded higher than the 4 seed) should not have fan support?”

Well, when you factor in this franchies lack of accomplishments throughout history it’s clear that nothing major will ever happen for this franchise. Most of the teams in this league don’t deserve fan support.

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I look at the overall behavior of this team the way I look at the the overall behavior of children coming out of a particular household. If they are selfish and undeciplined, at some point I have to consider their hometraining, or lack thereof, and that falls directly on the parents.

JJ isn’t doing what he’s doing because he’s in a contract yr. Wasn’t he doing the same things last yr? JJ does what he does because he knows Woodson isn’t going to say or do a damn thing about it. Bibby is the same way. It seems Woodson, if he actually does anything, attempts to take action only if it involves a player that was drafted under him. If a veteran player comes here through trade of FA, he seems to get a free pass on his on court behavior.

The inconsistency of this team on both ends of the court falls at the feet of the HC. It’s funny how when we were winning and running over everyone, Woody lovers were quick to give him all the credit and declare him COY. But as soon as the team starts to reflect the effects of his uneven coaching tactics and philosophy, it becomes Marvin’s, JJ’s, Smoove’s, Bibby’s and/or Horford’s fault.

Isn’t it also ironic that some of the same individuals, who are currently complaining about Smoove’s alledged lack of maturity after 5yrs, or Marvins lack of aggressiveness and production after 4yrs, or Horford’s lack of overall improvement after 2yrs or JJ’s unwillingness to change after 4yrs here, are some the same one’s that lauded Woodson and gave him total credit for developing this team and it’s players?

I’m still waiting for one of you WOODY LOVERS and PLAYER BASHERS to respond to my questions. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN WHEN I SAY THIS TEAM HAS MANAGED TO PROGRESS AND WIN IN SPITE OF WOODSON. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY WERE UNABLE TO OVERCOME HIS INEPTITUDE LAST NIGHT.

Look, I apologize for going off on a tangent. I’m really disappointed in both Woodson and the team overall. I honestly meant what I said about hoping he would finally realize how the Toronto blowout was in large part due to using his bench and allowing everyone a chance to contribute and would let this be the beginning of something new. But then we get involved in a gm that requires some adjustments, strategy, and detailed coaching, his response was to simply go back into his coaching shell and rely totally on the same players and same limited rotation as always. I guess it best for me to lower my expectations of the team and Woodson. That way I won’t get so disappointed with the results.

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It’s not any more exciting to see opponents’ receivers catch passes over Brent Grimes than it is to see teams score easy layups on the Hawks. Why can’t this city get fans just excited about NBA games as they do about NFL games? What can the Hawks do catch the attention of Atlanta? Because many Atlantans/ATLiens still DON’T KNOW!”

Play the game at a high level and crappy or B level.

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The NBA game is not entertaining enough (Which is why the league suffers from lack of fan support) to just be happy with a 47 win team. Nobody will give a crap about a 47 win team in 3 or 4 years. Nobody cares. It is all about contending for a title. That is all it’s about. Championship aside though, this team plays a poor brand of basketball. You take away the Hawks dunking and they’re left with very little on a consistent basis. This team doesn’t run plays, doesn’t pass or play any defense at all. Other teams are shooting about 39% in 3’s against the Hawks. 39%!

The late 90’s Hawks teams couldn’t beat anybody of note in the playoffs. They could only get by Grant Hill and a bunch of hobbled old vets like Grant Long and Joe Dumars.

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Your city has been blessed to have a professional hockey team, basketball team, football team, baseball team when other cities don’t and you’re telling me they don’t deserve support. I bet other cities who don’t have a team wouldn’t mind having a team that they can come to the games to support.

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Well Anthony lets just forget about the past and live in the now while looking towards the future. The Falcons are 6-5 with 5 games left on the schedule, I’d say they still have a shot at making the playoffs twice in a row, the season is not over yet. Well can’t really speak on the Braves right now since their season is over but 86-76 doesn’t look like a failing record to me. The Hawks currently have a winning record 13-6 with 64 more games to go and are only 2 games behind Orlando. Orlando could go on a losing streak and/or the Hawks a winning streak and still get the division title. Orlando hasn’t claimed the divison yet.

That’s the problem. Some people are stuck in the past and are missing the excitement of what’s happening now.

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But Ramon, doesn’t that require J-Smoove staying on the floor and out of the locker room? I’m not Josh Smith bashing, to the contrary, I’m Josh Smith emphasizing…

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When=Win in my last post

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OBRIAN-Woodson was a SG with a deadly jumpshot, which was the key to his success throughout his basketball career. He wasn’t particularly athletic, wasn’t much on DEF, and when his jumper wasn’t falling he wasn’t very effective. Come to think of it, Bibby is just a shorter version on Woodson playing PG.

Woodson seems obcessed with wanting the Hawks to play the style of ball that would have best suited his individual playing talents. As a player and premier jumpshooter, he would’ve trived in this perimeter oriented jumpshooting OFF he’s been trying to create.

I remember the Philly team that went to the finals with Woodson mentor LBrown as HC. It was a perimeter oriented, jumpshooting, halfcourt, guard dominated OFF that featured AI, AMcKie, KOllie and ESnow. The frontline players were responsible for setting screens, rebounding and defending and were pretty much excluded from the OFF(SOUND FAMILIAR).

Except for the fact our frontline players are much more talented, athletic and versatile than that 76er frontline, doesn’t that OFF setup strike an amazing simularity to what Woodson seems to be trying to permanently establish with the Hawks?

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i would rather have a high school coach than the woodpecker.he doesnt bring anythink to the team off or def.,dosnt develope any one. our allstar is a ball hogging jerk only interested in being the big man. why the hell dont we try to trade him for a decent center while we still have a chance. i am sure our offense will be better because we will be moving the ball & not dribbling the shot clock away .jj needs to go.woodson just needs to dissapear,nothing personal
no one wants to see a team that shows promise but is consistantly getting blown out of games & playing like a cellar team

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You can always spot the unlearned wannabe fan’s because their emotions rise and fall with every win or lost.. At the end of 82 games they are irrational radicals, like the chief hater on this site.

For the balanced, keep in mind that we have 1 second tier all star, no legitimate center, a guard who is can not defend and gets back down every time the other teams need a sure basket.We have a open invitation to the basket because our center cant defend the post. These are weakness that the other coaches can and will exploit. You cant stop it with the talent we have. (lack of talent)Im ok with switching because man to man we would be less than a .500pct team. We have too many holes with bibby and, horford. This is an average team who looks good most of the time because of woody’s ability to compensate for these weaknesses. No team with one second tier all star can really hope to play like an elite team. So why be surprised when they don’t? They aren’t an elite team, just a decent team with one second tier all star.Although Crawford is flashy and a good player he is not much better than flip, given the same number of minutes.

Dont get your hopes up and down. This team does not have much all star caliber talent that would make them an titlist type team. No, some days you lose to the knicks and other days beat the Celtics. By the Way. Even the lakers, Celtic, Cleveland and Orlando, have days where they lose to the bottom teams or have a two, three game losing streak. Most fans support their teams through times like those, we call for the coaches head as if we are the defending champs. Do we have an 1st tier all star?

This is not a championship team so stop expecting one!

By the way Id cast my vote today for JJ being an 1st tier allstar (even kobe, Lebron, and howard have off days too).JJ is getting it done! Id cast a vote for Josh too.

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Ha ha the Hawks suck my Knicks embarassed ya on ya home court lol, Go NY Go NY Go!!!!!!!!!!!

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