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Hope all are well and enjoying the last day of Thanksgiving break. Looks pretty good for the Hawks this afternoon, you’d think. Detroit is without Rip Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince and most likely Ben Gordon and have lost seven in a row.
Nothing is beyond possible in the NBA – remember Golden State beating Dallas on the road with six guys last week. Every team on a losing streak has to win at some point, and all that. But this would look like a game you’d think the Hawks can go for the kill early and play the second unit.
I’m actually on my way to the Falcons game helping out Darryl Ledbetter, so I don’t think I’ll be on much, but will be curious to read what you all have to say.
Happy armchair coaching!
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Daniel
December 1st, 2009
12:01 pm
GANBW- Man, calm down. Ken is just here on a temporary basis. He actually has listened to the bloggers and asked question of the team and coach based on our comments. The AJC needs to get the Hawks a beat writer for sure, but really is your life that significantly affected by the blog that you have to type in all caps and take the Lord’s name in vain?
Why don’t you write a blog and post it on here?
Drewcat
December 1st, 2009
12:05 pm
Where do I apply to become the new beat writer???
Ken Strickland
December 1st, 2009
12:11 pm
SOULSTAR-I’ve complained about Woodson’s coaching hangups longer and louder than probably anyone, yet I didn’t get on the FIRE WOODY bandwagon. I simply wanted him to overcome his hangups and improve his coaching skills to mirror the teams organic improvement. This is the 2nd consecutive season we’ve seen the team start out playing the way we did the 1st 13gms of this season. It’s also the 2nd consecutive season we’ve seen Woodson grap the reigns and force the team to revert back to playing WOODY BALL, with the same predictable results.
YOU CAN’T TEACH THIS OLD DOG ANY NEW TRICKS, AND IF YOU CAN’T TEACH HIM NEW TRICKS, HOW IN THE HELL IS HE GOING TO TEACH NEW TRICKS TO ANYONE ELSE. As a result, I’m not only getting on the FIRE WOODY BANDWAGON, I’m going to sit next to CLYDE and help him drive the damn thing.
Woodson and his coaching hangups and stubborness have reduced what was a rebounding, attacking, fastbreaking, OFF powerhouse, that was turning it around on DEF, into a rebounding, jumpshooting, halfcourt, ISO, one on one, OFF/DEF weakling.
KevinA
December 1st, 2009
1:17 pm
niremetal
November 30th, 2009
4:37 pm
My point is more that the criticisms hurled at JJ and Jamal seem to be based on a conception that they should be doing thing that usually are expected of the coach rather than the players – ie we’re expecting them to create a ball-movement oriented offensive system out of a “system” that instead focuses on creating isolation and other one-on-one plays. That seems to me a wildly misplaced criticism.
criticisms hurled? wildly misplaced criticism. Lol funny. Settle down son. JJ shotting 3-8 and 5-19 took place in the same system. 3-8 anyone can take. 5-19 will and did cost us the game. Nothing hurled or wildly misplaced. Just a fact.
I have seen great ball movement and great teamwork this year in the ” “system” that instead focuses on creating isolation and other one-on-one plays.”
KevinA
December 1st, 2009
1:18 pm
December 1st, 2009
10:21 am
Horford is 23 years old and as you said is arguably the second best center in the East. His scoring numbers could certainly be higher if he were given more touches. He’s 7th in the league in FG% among centers, even though he shoots a LOT more jumpers than any of the 6 ahead of him. And he makes great decisions with the ball, as his 2.0 assists per game shows. As I said in the off season, I’d run the offense through him every third time down the court (not counting fast breaks, obviously).
You would think we would get the rock to a young player off to such a good start.
JeJe
December 1st, 2009
1:20 pm
It’s who I think is getting it done and can help us. That’s how I try to coach.”
Does that basically mean that out of his big 6, he chooses among them?
Tough choice, choosing between Bibby and Craw on who will play the whole 4th!
It’s obvious the guy is trying to get as many wins as possible and not caring about the long-run. Any coach worth a squirt of piss could get 45+ wins out of 35+ mpg from the starters
KevinA
December 1st, 2009
1:21 pm
GET A NEW BEAT WRITER
December 1st, 2009
11:44 am
CAN WE PLEASE GET A NEW BEAT WRITER?
Go to the nest or peach tree hoops if you do not like what you see. Two very good writers.
RLP
December 1st, 2009
1:33 pm
Ken Strickland:
You have made your point over and over and over. We know you are on the fire Woody bandwagon. The problem is that you use that viewpoint over and over and over again. We know how you feel. But what is the definition of someone repeating the same behavior over and over again and expecting different outcomes? I think people tend to see your name on the blog and then just skip what you have to say because you are only repeating yourself. I urge you to put a moratorium on posting fire Woody rhetoric until the first of the year. It is only a month. Is there nothing else about the Hawks that you can find to rant about?
I agree with you that the team is 1-3 for the past four games. You’ve warned of the dangers of a stagnant offense. We know that Woody has a special place in his heart for JJ. We know he does not develop young players who do not fit his preconceived ideas of what he wants. There is a choir who does listen to you. But those with an opposing viewpoint simply tune you out.
I know that you praised the team when it played the kind of basketball where the ball movement was good and fast breaks came on a regular basis. I know that you are a fan of the team. I know that you are frustrated when the team does not perform to the standards that you think are acceptable.
I am not asking you to stop your campaign on a long term basis. But I am challenging you contribute with a slightly different mindset for a few weeks. Be more than a one pony rodeo for a month. See what happens.
Mz. Hawkdafied
December 1st, 2009
1:43 pm
Woody= COY vs. Woody needs to be fired, huh? There are those of us on this blog that don’t fit either description and are in the middle.
Woody=COY means:
1. The Hawks won 60 or more games.
2. The Hawks ended up with the regular season record in the NBA.
3. The Hawks won the SE division.
Woody needs to be fired means:
1. The Hawks won less games than last season.
2. The Hawks fell below second place in the SE division.
3. The Hawks didn’t even go to the playoffs and fell down to the 5th-8th seed.
Now as a Hawks fan I would have to say I would rather Coach Woodson be COY than fired because it would mean the Hawks had a successful season and progressed even further than last season.
And to be honest and fair Coach Woodson has invested in the Hawks team just as much as anybody else that’s been around the past few seasons. He deserves to try to see his vision come to completion. There is no doubt the team is on the right track and headed towards the right direction. Sunday just showed the team what direction the team doesn’t want to go. We all need wake up calls and reminders. The loss to Detroit is just that.
Ken Strickland
December 1st, 2009
2:31 pm
RLP-it appears you are a very sensitive individual and my response to your post about Woodson obviously struck a nerve. I say that because you seem to have a problem only with me and my, as you put it, one trick pony message. Yet, you don’t seem to have any problems with those one trick ponies who constantly lavish praise on Woodson no matter what, and/or those who are obcessed with spewing negative comments about MWilliams or JJ. IS IT BIRDS OF A FEATHER?
I like to take multiple approaches to whatever point I’m trying to make. I use a combination of deductive reasoning, informed opinions, guess work, facts and statistics to make my points. When you’re dealing with individuals that find it hard to accept certain aspects of someone or something they prize, value or support, often beyond reason, it takes more effort and information to get your point across. I won’t apologize for that, nor will I stop making my points.
You obviously got my point, but to think that holds true for everyone else is being presumptious on your part. It never ceases to amaze me how someone can be far more concerned about, or offended by, someone commenting on Woodson’s consistently inconsistent coaching, but not his actual consistently inconsistent coaching. This is a free blog, so feel free to scroll past my name. Trust me, I won’t be offended. Your last suggestion was well taken. I’ll change my tune when Woodson changes his and allows the team to go back to what made them so dominant earlier in the season. Then, I’ll go back to making the positive comments about him, his coaching and the team, like you acknowledged in your comments.
KevinA
December 1st, 2009
2:52 pm
Ken,
We disagree on many things but I like your posts. If we all agreed, it would get pretty slow around here.
Bi Ump
December 1st, 2009
2:52 pm
Been around sports a very long time and also on the inside. But this the first time that I have heard that a quality HC have to coach with his arm not folded. Some of these things blogger’s post is very amazing. Truth Serum I think I’m going to to use the Big Ray rule also. It’s no problem that you disagree with how the HC not doing the job that you want him to do. But when that’s all you talk about then it get very old. No matter is the Hawks won 7 straight or lost 7 straight you always know when you see the 4 Bloggers name what there post is about without reading their post. It’s a lot of people on thi blog who disagree with others but don’t go the extreme like the Bubba Posses. Most of the bloggers give credit both ways and don’t get angry that people disagree with them like the President of the Bubba Crew. You know who it is don’t you?
KevinA
December 1st, 2009
2:59 pm
Bret LaGree
http://www.hoopinionblog.com/?gcid=C12289×022>kw=Hoopinion
Bret breaking it down. Good reading for hawk fans over the last couple of games.
RLP
December 1st, 2009
3:49 pm
Ken Strickland:
I think you are a fine, articulate spokesman for your point of view. But I repeat – As Albert Einstein said – The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect different results.
I have singled you out only after I have made a number of posts asking all bloggers to tone down the rhetoric concerning this particular issue. There are plenty of those on this blog who are just as outspoken in their viewpoint of applauding the man as you are in your opposition. But the reason I singled you out was to use you as an example. Maybe some of those supporters might also reduce the noise level is you were to set an example.
On the issue of Woody I think Mz. Hawkdafied had it about right. There really are three differing points of view. She outlined the criteria which will allow one side or the other to claim victory at the end of the season if either scenario occurs. But I do not expect either scenario to occur If the Hawks were to win 60 games it would set a franchise single season winning record. Do I believe that will occur? No. I am sure you do not either. But I also do not believe the Hawks will fall into any of the criteria Mz. Hawkdafied set to get him fired for incompetence. So we will probably find ourselves somewhere in the range where they win more games than they did last year but also not becoming a champion. So what will that say about their coach? I believe your argument will have more resonance at that point in time than it will if you continue to use every negative thing during the season to cast aspersions on his ability. The same thing will be true for your opposites.
When the decision time comes I would hope that Mr. Sund or whoever he must consult with will try to make a rational decision based on as many factors as they can gather and with the best resources they have available to them. There are factors arguing in his favor and there are factors against him. There is something to be said for the ownership group showing the patience to allow this team to have the organic growth that you have spoken of and for which may have belittled. I prefer to speak of a growing level of maturity. Right now for example, Marvin Williams, is another example of one factor that needs to be evaluated. He is the fifth option on offense. No plays are run for him. He is consigned to the perimeter. He is losing PT to JC. Let us hope that Mr. Sund has heard of the criticisms about MW and makes a basketball judgment on his future that is based on realistic criteria rather than some of the unrealistic suggestions made on this blog. If my reference to a one trick pony offended you I certainly do apologize. It was not my intent to demonize you over all of the other posters whose viewpoint narrows to such a level.
I guess I need to address the issue of asking for a small moratorium on negativity. I realize that the blog is a place where fanatics can come and blow off steam when they are dissatisfied about the outcome of their favorite team’s fortunes. I am not trying to silence that need. What I am trying to suggest is that you can continue to do so and remain within the bounds of comity. There are issues that will be raised based on that lack of comity that need to just be overlooked.
I am not trying to discourage anyone from posting whatever you wish if it satisfies some need you have or is an outlet for frustration. Far better to voice your complaints here than other means of expression that could be much more harmful to the objects of your dissatisfaction.
ILL-logical
December 1st, 2009
4:44 pm
Woodson is now quoted in the ajc as saying that he doesn’t pay attention to minutes he just plays whom ever is playing well. Hmmm.
If I recall correctly, before the season started he was saying that he was not going to burn his starters out as he admitted to doing during the 2008-09 season. What gives?
Sautee
December 1st, 2009
5:09 pm
Ill,
He also said that he’d like all the free agents back (Bibby, Zaza, and Marvin) and he’d like Sund to tweak the bench. I’m not sure why, since he seems unwilling to USE the bench very much.
As you said, hmmmmm.
Rod from College Park
December 1st, 2009
5:23 pm
IF Woodson only played who was playing well then Marvin would stay glued to the bench. That is not a true statement from Mr. Woodson.
msubearfan
December 1st, 2009
5:51 pm
That Detroit game was garbage. I was hoping this team was going to take it to another level this season, but I’m not so sure after that one. No excuse to look that bad against that team with so many guys out. It’s been ugly ball since halftime of the Magic game.
What’s up with Zaza of late? When he checks in you know one thing is about to happen- a moving screen and waste of possesion.
Marvin needs to get confidence in the jumper. He passed up a corner three and instead darted out of control to the hoop and you could see the charge coming from the time he took his first dribble.
JJ is a good player, but he has not been good of late when we clear out for him and it’s up to him to create a shot. He’s dribbling off his feet all over the place and forcing up bad shots. Gotta trust his teammates. I’d rather see us try to run a real offensive set late in games than the JJ iso. I’d feel better about giving Crawford the ball if thats what we are going to do.
This team is at its best when it is creating turnovers and running as well as rebounding and pushing the ball. I think we could use another shooter for halfcourt sets. In the Houston game when we got down, we cranked up the D and that led to easy transition baskets. It just didnt seem like we could get to that same level of intensity on the road but until the halfcourt offense improves we need to find a way.
Ken Strickland
December 1st, 2009
5:59 pm
RLP-You demonstrated a very high degree of intelligence and articulation in the way you presented you comments to me, and trust me, that didn’t go unnoticed or unappreciated. You stated: “THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY IS TO DO THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND EXPECT DIFFERENT RESULTS”. Well, isn’t that exactly what I’ve been complaining about, along with a number of others, about Woodson and his coaching issues?
You also stated: “ON THE ISSUE OF WOODY, I THINK MZ. HAWKDAFIED HAD IT ABOUT RIGHT. THERE REALLY ARE THREE DIFFERING POINTS OF VIEW”. One is for, one is against and one is rather neutral, which appears to be your position. My problem with you is you’ve chosen to single out 1 of the approaches, which appears to be the one that’s most opposed to yours, designated me as the representative of that approach, and you’re trying to apply a subtle type of censorship.
I can understand you wanting to censor the vulgarity and nastiness that’s prevalent among certain uncivilized and disturbed bloggers. However, to try and limit someone from expressing their opinions simply because they’re being presented too often for your taste is a whole lot worse.
There’s an old saying, “AN OUNCE OF PREVENTION IS WORTH A POUND OF CURE”. While some of you are willing to defer your judgement of Woodson’s overall coaching abilities, I’m not. In high school, I was taught to reward effort over results. It’s like a high school senior that brings home an A in English. The parents are so excited about the results(the A)they’re oblivious to the fact their little A student has difficulty correctly putting a decent sentence together.
Too many Hawk fans are so enamored with whatever positive results the team can get, after yrs of frustration, they are oblivious to the fact our HC has some serious flaws that’s actually preventing the team from doing much better.
cp
December 1st, 2009
6:03 pm
Its sad that guys are creating multiple names just so they can co-sign their own post and make convos with themselves.
Doc made a great point a few blogs back. We started off great last season then only played a few games over .500 for the rest of the year. I wouldn’t be shocked if that happens this year. I’m seeing the same problems from last year after we started out hot happen again this year.
Ken Strickland
December 1st, 2009
6:09 pm
ILL-LOGICAL/SAUTEE- That’s exactly why I included him being a lier in my earlier posts. He’s done a complete 180 on just about everything he promised he’d improve upon at the beginning of the season. And you’re correct, he started his, and the teams, transformation after halftime of the Orlando gm, and we’ve been playing WOODY BALL and playing poorly every since.
Man, I hope Woodson wises up and gets this team turned around. I have to agree with MZ. HAWKDAFIED. I’d rather see him earn COY than get fired. I want this to be a statement yr for the Hawks.
blonju aka the ghost of sekou smith
December 1st, 2009
6:11 pm
you gotta love him or hate him, but Ken Strickland for NEW HAWKS BEAT WRITER!!
Clyde
December 1st, 2009
7:01 pm
Yes Ken Strickland for NEW BEAT WRITER!!!!!
Clyde
December 1st, 2009
7:26 pm
I remember when Ken Strickland would snap on me for saying FIRE WOODY. I’m amazed at how far he’s come in such little time.
Melvin
December 1st, 2009
8:26 pm
Look who top NBA.com for best offseason acquisition. I know somewhere Astro Joe is smiling….
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/shaun_powell/12/01/offseason.moves/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1
Truth-Serum
December 1st, 2009
8:30 pm
Bi Ump, I don’t sent much giving space to the foolishness that permeates this blog page. I’ll just hope for a better day and a higher quality of bloggers. I appreciate the cyber fist bump. You the man!
KevinA I disagree with your impression. I prefer Walter Cronkite over rush Limbaugh any day of the week. Bored is a state of mind. If you need tabloid journalism to be interested and motivated then….well….we all have our preferences. Just give me the truth, the facts with wisdom and courage. I’ll pass on the distorted, clownish, no intellectual disregard for the truth. My preference is for the sanely rational over the foolishly irrational.
RLP
December 1st, 2009
3:49 pm
Ken Strickland:
“I think you are a fine, articulate spokesman for your point of view. But I repeat – As Albert Einstein said – The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect different results.”
DITTO! It’s beyond sanity. I truly think he needs counseling. I’ve heard of beating a dead horse to death, but to bring him up from the grave and beat him some more is utter insanity. I don’t believe he can give it a rest or discuss relevant subjects. I think his record is hopelessly stuck in a scratched groove. Somebody change the record.
I can imagine how many true hawk fans have looked for another blog to nest their support at rather than to continue with the nagging continual drippings of one blogger’s nasal mucus. Dude, come up for air!
I think it’s rather maladjusted to think that just because you’re continuously regurgitating your negative impression of coach woodson it will make the hawks fans and supporters disregard the successes and accomplishments being bestowed on him by the professional analysts and the hawks’ successes. Right now the hawks have a great record, they are having a great season, and the city is excited for them. Woodson is ranked number 2 on the coach of the year poll. Josh, JJ, Bibby and Crawford are all having pretty good years. If they lose a minute or a quarter, have a two game and God forbid a 3 game losing street here comes the never ending mucus. I’d just like to enjoy the season, connect with fans who can appreciate it for the beauty of having a winning team in a city that’s hungry for a winner.
No KevinA. I don’t agree with you. There’s a better and more intriguing story here than tabloid negativism. I’d rather subscribe to the” let’s go hawks! Let’s go hawks! LET’S GO HAWKS!” Cadence. I prefer it over the let me tear you down to make myself look good politics of hate journalism.
Just one bloggers view.
Truth-Serum
December 1st, 2009
8:37 pm
Typical hawk hater’s blog.
Fire that gott damm@#$^##$%*^#$@! woodson! mudder fck woodsons$#$#%&^%&^ASE@%@#$%%%^%Fire that gott damm@#$^##$%*^#$@! woodson! mudder fck woodsons$#$#%&^%&^ASE@%@#$%%%^%Fire that gott damm@#$^##$%*^#$@! woodson! mudder fck woodsons$#$#%&^%&^ASE@%@#$%%%^%Fire that gott damm@#$^##$%*^#$@! woodson! mudder fck woodsons$#$#%&^%&^ASE@%@#$%%%^%. AZZHOLE!
play teague. Good luck aZzhole woodson. go hawks.
Truth-Serum
December 1st, 2009
8:42 pm
Clyde
December 1st, 2009
7:26 pm
I remember when Ken Strickland would snap on me for saying FIRE WOODY. I’m amazed at how far he’s come in such little time.
I feel you Clyde. I heard this disease regresses rapidly and is highly contagious. Have you had a check up lately?
Im going to have “Bi Ump” moment of silence in vigil that you might get better. Dont give up. Try to remember sanity. Click your heels together three times and say “Go hawks, Go hawks, Go hawks!”
Truth-Serum
December 1st, 2009
8:44 pm
*I don’t sent much correction.
I don’t spend much time giving space
Ken Strickland
December 1st, 2009
8:47 pm
CLYDE-you said it brother. In fact, DOC once had to come down on me in his diplomatic way for going after you so harshly for criticizing Woodson. A large number of the current bloggers haven’t been on these blogs long enough to know that in the early going, I was one of Woodson’s biggest advocates and possibly your biggest adversary.
Most of the same issues I’m currently complaining about have been the same issues I started to see from him yrs ago.
When it comes to change, adjustments, strategy and consistency, he’s stuck in neutral, or consistently inconsistent. That’s when I jumped off the SUPPORT WOODY bandwagon and am now officially on the FIRE WOODY bandwagon. What we’ve seen from the team, and the way it’s played over the last 4.5gms is nothing new. We’ve all seen it before, and those of you trying to pretend what’s happening is just an aberration are in denial and burying your collective heads in the sand. WE’VE SQUEEZED ALL OF THE JUICE WE CAN GET OUT THIS WOODY ORANGE.
Truth-Serum
December 1st, 2009
8:48 pm
*losing streak
*Woodson is ranked number 2 on the coach of the year poll. Josh, JJ, Bibby and Crawford are all having a pretty good year.
Stop the madness! 2010 !
December 1st, 2009
8:51 pm
“Most of the same issues I’m currently complaining about have been the same issues I started to see from him yrs ago.”"Most of the same issues I’m currently complaining about have been the same issues I started to see from him yrs ago.”"Most of the same issues I’m currently complaining about have been the same issues I started to see from him yrs ago.”"Most of the same issues I’m currently complaining about have been the same issues I started to see from him yrs ago.”"Most of the same issues I’m currently complaining about have been the same issues I started to see from him yrs ago.”
Some body help me kill this dead azz horse!
The resurrected dead horse from "yrs ago"
December 1st, 2009
8:59 pm
“We talked a little bit and shared some philosophies and things like that,” Sund said. “Next week at this time, it might be a more appropriate question. But today I can’t answer it.”
Woodson’s contract is up at the end of the month, and a dismal record of 106-222 (.323) would appear to make him a prime candidate for unemployment.
But the Hawks have made steady progress during his four years, going from a franchise-worst 13-69 in his debut to 37-45 this season, good enough for the final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference. Woodson’s prospects were further enhanced when Atlanta took the heavily favored Boston Celtics to seven games in the opening round before losing.
“One of the things I liked about Atlanta was they had a game plan,” Sund said. “It’s not always easy to stick with the game plan, to go through the highs and lows of playing the younger players and developing them. Most teams are into that instant gratification. Some of it came to fruition this year and they were able to say, ‘Hey, this team is pointed north.’ That’s a good thing.”
Ken Strickland
December 1st, 2009
9:26 pm
MADNESS-this dead horse has obviously gotten under your skin, which is reason enough for me to keep beating that dead horse!
KevinA
December 1st, 2009
9:34 pm
Truth-Serum,
Your sanity is another’s madness. Like needing a center, getting rid of Marvin, fire Woody, bench JJ on off nights, play Teague more, Josh shooting threes, our guards can’t guard their guards, PT for bench etc. All are examples of opinion. What you call keeping it real is your real, not my real. Lots of different versions of real out there.
I am older and have no problem with diversity of opinion.
What is more interesting is that in spite of all of our warts we are winning. Shows our tremendous upside potential if we solve even half our problems.
The Dept. of Unintended Irony
December 1st, 2009
9:36 pm
The same person who posted this:
“I don’t spend much time giving space to the foolishness that permeates this blog page. I’ll just hope for a better day and a higher quality of bloggers.”
Also turned around and posted THIS:
“Most of the same issues I’m currently complaining about have been the same issues I started to see from him yrs ago.””Most of the same issues I’m currently complaining about have been the same issues I started to see from him yrs ago.””Most of the same issues I’m currently complaining about have been the same issues I started to see from him yrs ago.””Most of the same issues I’m currently complaining about have been the same issues I started to see from him yrs ago.””Most of the same issues I’m currently complaining about have been the same issues I started to see from him yrs ago.”
“Some body help me kill this dead azz horse!”
AND THIS:
“I think his record is hopelessly stuck in a scratched groove. Somebody change the record. ”
Ah, yes.
Irony.
KevinA
December 1st, 2009
9:38 pm
NBA TV
They think Josh has exellent chance of DPOY. Maybe making All-Star game.
KevinA
December 1st, 2009
9:40 pm
Nicks up 108-81 over PHX. LOL wow
MsDee
December 1st, 2009
10:18 pm
I say what good is it to play big and win games against the elite teams but looks like boo-boo against the lesser teams?? I just dont understand!! I understand we cant and will not win all 82 games but there is 0/zero excuse as to why we didnt play the defense that we displayed in the earlier games or why we didnt pass the ball and get team assits like we did before. I know, I know Woodson has been here since we were 13-69 and all but as a coach, he should have prepared his team better, to get their minds focus on the team they are about to play and not have them assume they are just going to run over a team who has 3 missing scorers on the sidelines. If we are going to be an elite team, we must ALWAYS…ALWAYS play like one, weither win or lose!!
Grandad
December 1st, 2009
11:12 pm
A different wrinkle on a “dead horse”:
Title – “I Would buy a ticket to see these Hawks play” [paraphrase] Mark Bradley column; written after our first half dozen or so games.
His point: the/our Hawks are/were exciting and fun to watch.
Wrinkle: fans and or attendence and loud,lively support for the team.
There has been mounting concern (including theories explaining) about att.figures and filling the arena. I would imagine this is a prime concern of the ASG.
My point: which is really Ken Strickland’s point [style/system/philosophy/and his change thereof]; which product are fans most likely to purchase tickets? I refer back to Mark Bradley’s column. Are the Hawks currently as fun and or exciting to watch as they were, say the first 10, 12 games. Some will say this [current streak] is only a microcosm and we will get back to the style with which we started the season. Realistically, these games now more accurately reflect the style/system with which mr.w.’s players have been endoctrinated.
Next pt: I reckon Mr. Sund might just take all this into acct. on his decision to extend/replace mr.w. and when.
Just sayin’.
niremetal
December 1st, 2009
11:43 pm
As an aside, Grandad, Mark Bradley hasn’t posted on the Hawks since then. He posts about 8 articles on Tech/UGA Football, 8 on the Falcons, and 9 on the Braves for every 1 article that he posts about the Hawks (and the handful of Hawks pieces he does write are almost always bunched in at the beginning and end of the season).
Considering that he has an AJC expense account that would allow him to attend and watch Hawks games for free but still barely even talks about the Hawks during the regular season, I find it ironic that he wrote an article talking about how he’d pay to watch them.
Truth-Serum
December 1st, 2009
11:50 pm
KevinA, as usual I appreciate you and both the difference and likeness of our views,(im speaking to you personally). Yes, Ive on occasion posted on the hawks need for a center. Its a point that is documented. I havent posted on the other issues you offer:. getting rid of Marvin, fire Woody, bench JJ on off nights, play Teague more, Josh shooting threes, our guards can’t guard their guards, PT for bench etc. Ill just chalk up your erroneous assertion in this case a blog fatigue.
There is a difference in diversity of opinion, and fanatical obsession.
You may or may not be older, I cant say whether your assertion in this case is erroneous or not.
I can and do appreciate a diversity( The fact or quality of being diverse; difference.
A point or respect in which things differ.) Im not sure that the presentation being demonstrated by the Rush Limbaugh of this blog site qualifies as diversity. You are entitled to your opinion, and I respect the diversity your opinion offers. Once again, we respectfully disagree.
“What is more interesting is that in spite of all of our warts we are winning. Shows our tremendous upside potential if we solve even half our problems” – KevinA
Kevin once again, I don’t agree with you hear. I think the hawks are play at or near their peak. They, haven’t , cant, and wont, crest the big three with out a center. If the hawks win 6 out of every 10 games they will certainly have an excellent winning pct.
But what is the winning percentage is against the top three teams, who, have one thing the hawks don’t, a center, thats what really matters in the grand scheme of things.
City of Atlanta – Mayor
100% OF PRECINCTS REPORTING
Kasim Reed 45,158 50%
Mary Norwood 44,533 50%
KevinA
December 2nd, 2009
12:05 am
NBA power ranking
Orlando – 81 million
PHX – 75
Lakers – 91
Boston – 81
Denver – 75
Atlanta – 65
Clev – 82
Dallas – 89
Utah – 82
10 – 26 million more in salary by every team with a better or equal record. Must mean Woody = COY.
The Hawksta
December 2nd, 2009
12:06 am
Home on the range! Where bullets fly cowboys die! Ride or die Hawks fans! Thou shall dawn the capes of heroes, bring faith upon those who are faithless. Swat those faceless bloggers carrying mighty swords! Words! Cursing the weak! Speak truth fans! Stand up for Stan! For our seasons, last longer than horses feeding on green grasses of summer! Wonder aloud! Proud of your city, pity the wity… for he/she speaks fast, yet wisdom slow. Whoa be the annointed one… one who chooses to loosen this strangle hold hath thou fellow blogger upon thee! The meek shall suffer the crowded opinions of the masses! MADNESS I SAY… Hast not this judgement poison thee… or has it? Demand that accountability be placed responsibly! The cost of victory brightly demonstrated on many fronts, the totality not lost on moral wins brought upon by a teams maturity. But judge upon by complacency in loses! Oh yes the cost is steep my friend! Lie in your accomplish past, as I open the vaults of your faults! Pressured not by few! But those of due deligence! Who went against your resistance to change! WOODY WE HAVE A PROBLEM! USE YOUR BENCH!!!!
GO HAWKS!!!!!!
KevinA
December 2nd, 2009
12:12 am
Truth-Serum,
With an extra 25 million maybe we could have Bosh instead of ZaZa. Chills instead of Evans and a Guard that can play defense.
You may know the old saying, if buts and ifs were cherries and nuts – we would all have a merry Christmass.
Truth-Serum
December 2nd, 2009
12:14 am
KevinA whether that means woodson is the COY or not we wont know until later in the season. what it does mean is that hes getting the most bang for the buck. I can only interpret that as doing a good job, something the silent majority already know. Maybe that’s why hes # 2 on the poll. I can only imagine how high wed be flying if we had Lopez (the only legit center available).
Great post KevinA. Good vision.
Truth-Serum
December 2nd, 2009
12:19 am
True Kevin. I’m not a bosh man. he too soft for my style of play. Id trade Lopez for horford head up and keep zaza. or Trade, zaza, collins and Maurice for Lopez Make lopez the started and horford backing up josh and lopez.
Of course if a frog had a glass azz every time hed jump……hed break it!
RLP
December 2nd, 2009
12:25 am
Ken Strickland:
Sorry for the delay in responding to your last post but I was out.I am not asking you quit crusading for Woody’s dismissal. There may come a time when I join you in that mission. All I have requested you to do is to suspend your campaign for one month because I think at the end of December this team will have a chance to either prove or disprove how realistic their level of play has improved this year. I am also not asking you to stop criticizing his coaching. You can certainly criticize lack of ball movement, switching defense, increased playing time for starters, ISO Joe and other aspects of his coaching philosophy and build a case against him during this period of time. I am simply suggesting that you apply a different tactic for the month of December. Look at the schedule. Look at the analysis I submitted not too far back about my expectations during this period of time. See if you think they are unrealistic given Woody’s coaching style. I suggest that if you continue criticizing the aspects of his game that has confirmed in you a desire to get him fired then a change in tactics will make it much more difficult for his supporters to defend him. I have never said that I find your opinion distasteful. I have suggested that it may not be the most effective means of achieving the stated goal.
Finally if you criticize Woody for doing the same old thing over and over again and it proves to be true I will agree that Mr. Sund should find a lack of sanity in his approach. That does not excuse lack of sanity on your part.
Granddad:
I agree with you on Joe Caldwell. But there was another example on the Hawks team that moved to Atlanta that I think would be a more appropriate person for the current Hawks team to look at. In an era of Wilt Chamberlain, Walt Bellamy and Bill Russell the Hawks had a center who could be the role model for Al Horford. His name was Zelmo Beatty and he helped lead the Hawks to the second most season victories with 56 in 1967-68. Does your memory go back to then and how he played the 5?
Truth-Serum
December 2nd, 2009
12:42 am
RLP that team did not make it to the championship round either, that would have been the 76ers and the Celtics. Then was Chamberlain and russel, now its Howard and Shaq. I suspect the results will be the same. Hawks when a lot of game but not enough of a center to advance to the finals level.
Go post by the way.
Grandad
December 2nd, 2009
8:44 am
niremetal:
On M.B. I agree to a certain extent. Right now it is fb. season in a fb. state. I wrote a lengthy post on this topic several days ago but the dawg ate it. I’ll try again someday. But back on point!!! MB, I think, deep down is a basketball guy. [Ky. heritage] I went back and re-read the article and it was very good and he was effusive in his praise of the Hawks. My point (and I realize you saw my point) was many of the traits he saw in the Hawks early on, were exactly what K.S. has been preaching. Those same traits are now MIA. I would encourage all on this board to go back and read MB’s column in order to discern those Hawks (and the manner in which they were gettin’ it done) from our current state of the Hawks. It is a startling reversal in such a short period of time. A great Coach, nay, even just a very good Coach has a philosophy [foundation] and if his team violates his core value, then he quickly does ‘SOMETHING’ about it sooner than later. Once again I know that you get it. I also understood your aside. One other tidbit on MB. Was it not MB that got into the whole squabble with the sportscaster in Cleveland as he defended we Hawks fans during the playoffs ?