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Hope all are well and enjoying the last day of Thanksgiving break. Looks pretty good for the Hawks this afternoon, you’d think. Detroit is without Rip Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince and most likely Ben Gordon and have lost seven in a row.
Nothing is beyond possible in the NBA – remember Golden State beating Dallas on the road with six guys last week. Every team on a losing streak has to win at some point, and all that. But this would look like a game you’d think the Hawks can go for the kill early and play the second unit.
I’m actually on my way to the Falcons game helping out Darryl Ledbetter, so I don’t think I’ll be on much, but will be curious to read what you all have to say.
Happy armchair coaching!
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darrell starks
November 29th, 2009
10:11 pm
WOW I JUST REALIZE THAT WOODY DIDNT PLAY HIS BENCH AT ALL.
JOE 4 MIN
MOE 5 MIN
ZAZA 10 MIN
TEAGUE 0 MIN
WHAT IN THE H IS GOING ON HERE.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!
Sam from da Swats
November 29th, 2009
10:11 pm
what about joe,
If you play basketball, there is a small rule to understand. It is called “KYP”….know your personnel. I’d rather Joe Johnson shoot with 3 people on him than to have Marvin shoot. I like my percentages better. Ok so Joe had an off game. An off game for Marvin is not an off game, he’s always average at best. I’m glad Marvin is not our superstar, we would really be in trouble. Last year I said we should trade Marvin and sign Petrius (sp?). We would look so much better with him and he’s being paid about the same if not less. It’s embarassing.
darrell starks
November 29th, 2009
10:13 pm
WHAT IS ALL THIS FUST ABOUT SIGNING JOE SMITH THIS SUMMER AND WOODY WANT PLAY HIM CLYDE WHERE IS MY T SHIRT.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Ken Strickland
November 29th, 2009
10:15 pm
Is there anyone out there who still thinks HC MWoodson is coaching like someone who deserves COY? He’s completely reverted back to all of the things every knowledgable Hawks fan has complained about the last few yrs and has forced the team to do likewise. We’re now seeing him revert to over utilization of his starters, under utilization of his bench, ignoring the development of his young PG, forcing or permitting his guards to take over the OFF and reduce it to ISO’s and jumpshooting and using little to no strategy or adjustments.
He’s stopped even trying to coach, teach or utilize any form of strategy and has simply shortened his rotation to 6-7 preferred veterans and lets them decide what happens. If they’re not too tired, and are hitting their jumpers, we win. If not, we lose. I was really hoping he would stick to what was working so well when we were dominant the 1st part of the season. When we started the season, we were playing fast, attacking the basket, passing the ball inside, playing inside out and getting lots of easy fastbreak baskets. We’re doing none of that now.
As the HC of a team that was leading the NBA in wins, fastbreak pts, pts in the paint, near the top in scoring, rebounding, blocked shots and FT attempts and percentage, Woodson has taken this team backwards.
ROD FROM CP, the team accomplished all of these things with Marvin playing poorly and having all of the perceived shortcomings you’re always harping on. Before you utter another ignorant comment about Marvin, check out these stats over the last 4gms.
JJohnson—-FTA/FGM PTS MINS
5-19 10 43:12
6-18 14 42:17
3-8 9 29:45(early foul trouble)
9-21 22 41:53
MWilliams—8-16 17 35:28
3-7 7 28:13
1-4 4 30:31
3-8 9 27:28
You are so blinded by your hatred for MWilliams you’re too blind to realize what’s right before your eyes. JJ has taken 31 more shots than Marvin(66-35), but has scored only 18 more points(55pts-37pts). You can’t see the forest for the trees.
IS IT REALLY GOOD COACHING TO PLAY YOUR KEY PLAYER 40+ MPG AND ALLOW HIM TO DOMINATE THE OFF WHEN HE’S CONSISTENTLY PLAYING SO POORLY, ESPECIALLY THIS EARLY IN THE SEASON? This team has carried Woodson, and when the team isn’t playing well, Woodson becomes a nonfactor, maybe even a liability. At least we know his earlier excuses for not using his bench,like not having a deep, talented and/or veteran bench was just that, A SORRY A$$ EXCUSE. We also know his excuses for not playing ALaw, like his limited jumpshooting, was a bunch of BS. Wouldn’t you say ALaw’s jumpshot was no worse than Teagues, maybe better, yet Woodson made the decision to draft PG JTeague knowing his outside shooting limitations.
FIRE WOODY!!!!!!!!!!!!
RLP
November 29th, 2009
10:18 pm
There are five teams in the East with a winning record on the road. One of them is the Hawks. There are six teams in the West with a winning record on the road. Why does everyone here get so down on this team because it loses a game on the road yet has a winning road record? The Hawks were still in reach of a victory in spite of how badly they played until the last few minutes of the game. Is there no one else on this blog who appreciates how well this team is playing? It is easy to be negative when they lose a game. But they are playing other teams that are also filled with professional athletes. Come on guys. Your negativity is just a bit too much. Last year this team won only 16 road games all year. They have already won five this year. It is not easy to win on the road. Cut this team some slack.
darrell starks
November 29th, 2009
10:20 pm
JOE JOHNSON 43 MIN 5-19 WHAT IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
Sam from da Swats
November 29th, 2009
10:22 pm
Ken Strickland,
So what you are saying is, let’s give Marvin more shots than Joe Johnson and our team would be better? Are you out of your mind you idiot? Why would I want Marvin shooting more shots or driving to the hole with those ugly flailing bulls..t attempts at lay-ups? Dude, quit writing novels and bringing these bs stats proving absolutely nothing. Marvin is a bum. What you are saying is you believe Marvin would score if given the same chances as Joe, and I say no f…king way….
darrell starks
November 29th, 2009
10:31 pm
Ken i allways agree with you but on this one i have 2 disagree, marvin game have gotten worse and he has no balance when playing, im sorry but we have to get somthing for him before 2 late.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
JeJe
November 29th, 2009
10:33 pm
ITS NOT EVEN ABOUT USING MO, TEAGUE, AND ZAZA MORE
THE GUY REFUSES TO USE JASON COLLINS, WHO IS FREAKING GIGANTIC. THE GUY STARTED IN THE FINALS AGAINST SHAQ AND DUNCAN 2 YEARS IN A ROW. WHY THE HELL DID WE SIGN HIM?
Sam from da Swats
November 29th, 2009
10:33 pm
RLP, you’re right. However, we should not lose to the Detroit Pistons playing without Rip, Tayshaun Prince and Ben Gordon. The problem lies in the one weakness we have. I am glad we are doing great this year. Get rid of the obvious weak link and we would be even more unstoppable. I want our team to be better, because to win a championship, we won’t win with the weak link. We need to make a move.
rms
November 29th, 2009
10:51 pm
NO RLP, no one like Woodson style of coaching. Its pretty obvious that if the Hawks perimeter guys like Bibby or Joe and such are hitting their jumpshots then we win and everybody is happy and Mike Woodson looks like a genius. If we are missing jumpshots then we lose because we have no offensive scheme we dont rebound well on a consistent basis and we dont use our post guys (the few we have) to score down low. Woodson may be a good coach but I dont think he fits this team the way it is constructed. The Hawks are more of a transition-run and attack type team. We dont really have the right guys to run a consistent half-court game like so other teams are. Plus in my opinion guys like Marvin and Josh have low basketball IQ. They really need to study the game and define their position as to what they do well and play to that instead of whatever they call themselves doing now.
darrell starks
November 29th, 2009
10:52 pm
JEJE I DONT NO WHATS GOING ON WITH WOODY YOU ARE RIGHT JASON COLLIN IS BIG WITH EXPERIENCE BUT YET WOODY WANT PLAY HIM.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
Sam/Rod from College Park in da Swats
November 29th, 2009
10:56 pm
MARVIN IS THE REASON THE HAWKS LOST TODAY.
MARVIN IS THE REASON BEN WALLACE AND JASON MAXIELL GOT 15 OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS AND WHY JOSH LET JEREBKO GET TWO STRAIGHT OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS RIGHT NEXT TO HIM.
MARVIN IS THE REASON THAT JOE JOHNSON SHOT 5 FOR 19.
MARVIN IS THE REASON MIKE WOODSON DOESN’T KNOW HOW TO USE HIS BENCH.
MARVIN KEPT ME FROM WALKING ONTO THE TEAM AT UNC.
MARVIN USED THE LAST SQUARE OF TOILET PAPER.
MY DAD COULD BEAT UP MARVIN’S DAD.
MARVIN IS THE REASON WE ARE HAVING GLOBAL WARMING.
Sam from da Swats
November 29th, 2009
11:01 pm
Dude go to bed…
Mr. Lau
November 29th, 2009
11:18 pm
This team is winning inspite of Woodson. He is a good coach, but not the one the hawks need. We need a coach that can identify the strengths of this team and maximize them. Woodson’s lack of creativeness is crippling them.
Maybe if Marvin comes from the bench in the 2nd unit as a 2nd shooting option he could wake up. I hope he wakes up, but not bettting on it.
Grandad
November 29th, 2009
11:29 pm
S.f.d.S. – Give it a break with Marv. I do not care what his +/- was. Joe was only -1 but you cannot tell me he was not a bigger factor in the game. Also who was responsible for blocking out Wallace? The game was probably decided by a lack of blocking out. Oh, by the way, Joe had only two rebs. A players +/- does noy take into acct. with whom he is on the floor. No matter what… there was always 4 other teammates on the floor with him @ all times[MW]. Teague had a 0 +/- which means he almost contributed as much as Joe and he didn’t even play.
Enough of that nonsense – Bone, blogger of the day!
It’s only been 5/10/15/now what 17 ? After ea.benchmark folks would say it’s only been ____ games, give him time, wait and see. When can we say
that this yr. is more of the same ol’ same ol’ [Mr.Woodson] ?
Nire – I really believe Josh would be an asset @ the 3. 1st of all defensively he would not always have to be assigned a 3. secondly-Beidrins is a pretty good shot blcker himself. Josh could still chase down players and block from behind. One of the more marvelous [hustle] traits he has. plus I think he would be a monster defender @ the 3 much like Artest. 3’s don’t always have to be great shooters, think C.Butler.
Whomever thought of Biedrins; what a marvelous idea. Nire seemed to know the ins & outs of trade restrictions, but if there was a way, then by all means please someone explore that option. Perfect fit.
*[darrell starks]*
K.S. – As always, well said and glad your back safely.
Clyde – You’re the man !
Has Mr. Woodson lost the locker room?
For the poster who criticized R.Sund /hold on now/ the man has tried to give Mr.W. the tools he asked for. I have confidence that he will make calculated and intelligent decisions.
Grandad
November 29th, 2009
11:48 pm
kellZ: I second that motion.
Grandad
November 29th, 2009
11:50 pm
kellZ! – sorry!
cp
November 29th, 2009
11:56 pm
Still cant made adjustments, still no plan B when plan A does not work, still wont use the bench, still rides the starters even when they are stinking up the joint and giving no effort, still allows Joe to pound the rock and take as many bad shots as he wants, still with the switching defense even if it does not work…. How much longer do we have to put up with this crap. New year same dang complaints.
Ken Strickland
November 30th, 2009
12:00 am
SAM FROM DA SWATS-allow me to show you what a true idiot is. However, don’t stand in front of a mirror or you’ll spoil the surprise. First of all, I want you to reprint any portion of my last comment that in any way advocated giving Marvin, or anyone else, more shots. REMEMBER, READING AND READING COMPREHENSION ARE FUNDAMENTAL.
However, if you’re actually capable of reading and analyzing the stats I presented on JJ and Marvin over the last 4gms, you’d see where it might not be such a bad idea. Marvin has certainly been far more efficient with his shots than JJ. If Marvin took those additional 31 shots, he’d have to shoot just 29%(he’s currently shooting 441%), which doesn’t factor in any 3pt shots(323%) or FT’s(875%), to equal the total number of pts JJ has scored over the last 4gms(31 shots x .29%=8.99shots x 2pts=17.98pts). ONLY A TRUE IDIOT LIKE YOU WOULD BE IGNORANT ENOUGH TO IGNORE THESE STATS SIMPLY BECAUSE OF SOME STUPID PERSONAL ISSUES WITH MARVIN.
Ken Strickland
November 30th, 2009
12:33 am
DARRELL STARKS-you’re correct, Marvin’s gm has gotten worse. But that’s exactly the point I’m trying to make. Although his gm has gotten worse, as our #5 scoring option, he’s still managed to score only 18 fewer pts over the last 4gms than JJ, our #1 scoring option, while taking 31 fewer shots. The best way to get Marvin going is through OFF inclusion, not exclusion.
Marvin is having problems, but he’s not THE problem. Instead of getting rid of him, or any player, the Hawks need to get rid of:
(1)Woodson’s limited, perimeter oriented, jumpshooting, guard dominated halfcourt ISO OFF and constantly switching DEF.
(2)His unwillingness to effectively utilize his bench.
(3)His overplaying of key players.
(4)His pretence at trying to develop young players.
(5)His constant habit of lying and blaming everything that goes wrong on his players.
WE CAN KILL ALL OF THOSE BIRDS WITH ONE STONE BY GETTING RID OF WOODSON, PERIOD.
GRANDAD-Thanks for the compliment and the concern. I hope everyone had a holiday as rewarding and as safe as mine.
rusty
November 30th, 2009
12:54 am
any one in the nba can consistantly block marvins shots.he becomes very small when he goes up on his drives. i have never seen an nba player as weak & clumsy. the only reason he gets fouled so much is that he falls into everybody. i have hearing for the last 4 seasons
everybody talking about all star joe, i think every one is crazy. he is slow as crap,is a big ballhog,screws up our ball movement & is worthless on defense.woody is afraid to take him out of a game. zaza & moe really stink. woody is the worst coach in the nba,runs a lousy switching defense & has not a clue how to run an offense. any improvement we have made as a team has nothing to do with woodson.
Crashing the Glass
November 30th, 2009
1:36 am
The ressurection of Ben Wallace, plus Boston over Miami-
http://crashingtheglass.com/
RealSquawk
November 30th, 2009
1:41 am
MArvin played less then thirty minutes in this game so I doubt he is to blame. I also didn’t see the whole game.
I have a tendency to stop watching no matter the quarter when Woodson’s remedy for a bad Joe night is to run him into a iso so it can be five on one.
Josh and Al I wouldn’t blame you if you decided not to show up for a game. nobody keeps there guys out of the lane and nobody boxes out and then you get blamed for a poor effort.
@kenstrickland- you are probably right, but it took an 0-16 start for New Jersey to fire Frank. I don’t see Woody going anywhere anytime soon.
Rod from College Park
November 30th, 2009
2:07 am
Ken Strickland,
You become more idiotic the more you post. Joe took more shots because he should, he can and he is able to create his own shot. These are things that Marvin can’t do. Marvin would not shoot 31 times if his life depended on it. Oh, I remember your famous line, Marvin is as good as Danny Granger. Idiot. Stop trying to blame Woodson for everything, and blame the bum, your cousin, or son Marvin Williams .
honest_abe
November 30th, 2009
2:44 am
marvin will never be a superstar. he is also limited offensively. but the hawks don’t do a good job utilizing his strengths. which is a nice mid range jumper… why not try to get him involved earlier in the game by running some plays for him off screens? the entire jj and bibby pounding the ball and than hoisting up long jump shots makes marvin seem even more useless.
SWATS30311
November 30th, 2009
2:48 am
One thing that stands out about JJ’s game is the fact that he chucks up a LOT of jump shots! At 6′7″ 240, he should be driving to the basket, getting contact, and earning free points on the FT line. I did a stat check on the NBA’s Elite (Kobe, LeBron, D Wade, etc.) amd discovered the JJ is only averaging 4.4 FT attempts a game. Most of the “NBA Elite” are averaging 9 FT attempts a game, and I was shocked to see that Kevin Durant averages over 9 FT attempts a game. The stats don’t lie…..if JJ would stop being strictly a jump shooter, drive in the paint and get to the FT line, like the NBA elite do masterfully, his game would be a lot better. He walked away from 60 big ones this off season, and his body language suggests that he doesn’t want to be here. If he wants to be reunited with D’Antoni in NYC, let him. But he, nor D’Antoni have Steve Nash, who has made them a lot of money….D’Antoni by running his syatem to perfection, and JJ by allowing him to look like an awesome player by average 17 pts as a 4th option. But anyway, that’s another story for another day. Bottom line: JJ is not being the leader of this team…I think he is hating on Crawford. Before, when we wanted him to shoot, he refused….now that Crawford here, he wants to all the shots.
Woody, I think, is done…..regardless of what the team does this season. He is totally inept, and isn’t worthy of a extension….AT ALL!
And Marvin……he is the epitome of BUST! PERIOD!
WTF
November 30th, 2009
3:36 am
NO MATTER WHAT YALL SAY JOE JOHNSON IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE, CAUSE TWO BAD GAMES YALL GOING NUTS, EVERYBODY GOES THROUGH SLUMPS< U EVEN WE GO THROUGH SLUMPS LIVING DUMB ASS PEOPLE< I KNO YALL DIDNT THINK IT WAS GONNA BE A PERFECT SEASON <<<<PLEASE!!!! OVER TWO BAD GAMES YALL TALKING BOUT TRADES, HES THE REASON WE MADE IT THIS FAR DID YALL FORGET< ITS NOT HIS FAULT NOBODY DIDNT STEP UP!!!! CAUSE CRAWFORD AND JOSH SCORED 20pts THAT DONT MEAN A THING THREY STILL LOST!!!
vava74
November 30th, 2009
3:50 am
Denver just lost at home against MIN and are currently standing @ 12-5 with Billups the all-star laying an egg.
I am sure that the Nuggets fans are complaining like hell.
In case you have not noticed, games are lost, teams, players and coaches lay eggs all the time.
We have seen good showings, reasonable showings and bad showings. IT HAPPENS.
Right now we are 12-5 which is still a very good record.
Before we round up the tar and feathers, let’s wait and see what happens.
JJ had a string of bad games. My guess is that he has mental issues about Crawford’s emergence but I am confident that he will adapt.
Marvin is playing bad, however, he is the player who has suffered more with Crawford’s arrival since he is not getting shots and is the first player out of the line up, regardless of him being playing well or not.
Hence, we are still making adjustments and we all know that Woody is very conservative making them.
We are neither winning in spite of him and nor winning exclusively on account of his coaching. It’s a collective effort which has had good and bad performances from ALL sides.
Right now, I feel that Woody has not performed well during the past games, however, I cannot repeat this enough times:
The game against ORL was completely ruined in the 3rd quarter by the refs by continuing to allow Howard to get away with elbow charges and by swallowing the whistle in at least 3 consecutive JJ DRIVES (not jump shots).
The PHI game was bad but we won on the road where we have a 5-4 record right now.
Yesterday was clearly a bad game, however, the rebounding difference was – apart from the effort – also a freak occurrence, just like a hurricane or a flood: a disaster that sometimes is not controllable, just like our shots were simply not falling against NO.
Clyde
November 30th, 2009
7:56 am
WE CAN KILL ALL OF THOSE BIRDS WITH ONE STONE BY GETTING RID OF WOODSON, PERIOD.
-Ken Strickland
Boy
November 30th, 2009
8:17 am
I think Joe wants to be traded. He refused to resign and now he is tanking. Give him his wish before he draggs us down.
Truth-Serum
November 30th, 2009
8:22 am
Rod from College Park , bro, dont waste your time trying to address haters that have a preconceived agenda. I can only stomach so much of bubba crew members. Its kinda like eating beets. No offense to people who eat beets. Its just disgusting. These few loud willfully ignorant bloggers are a turn off to this sight. I dont even read their nag whine and b!tch posts. I saw that you made comment in your November 30th, 2009
2:07 am post, and I already knew that you had an unpleasant experience in reading a sick blog. There is no cure for their sickness, haterites, Is kind of like leprosy of the heart. You can tell the symptoms whether they have an advance case or not. The guy who’s blog you read has the most advance case of haterities since Hitler.
Any way I saw you reaching out trying to help him by showing him how idiotic he was, but you are wasting your time. There is no cure and if you are not careful it can be contagious. I carry three silver bullets….Just in case.- peace out.
Hawks Need a center
November 30th, 2009
8:30 am
Hawks wouldnt be having any problems if they had a legit center. Why are you wasting perfectly good blogs on garbage and idiotic statements. How many teams you know who were in the finals last year that had no legit center? 0, what about the year before?0, before that?0……nt
0 zero, nil, nada, ziltch. thats how many teams are going to win a championship with out a center. So why in the HELL are you idiots arguing about who took the most shots or played the most minutes? Get a clue biitches. None of the Shyt matters. You aint going past the second round hoes. Are you guys really this stupid or are you acting?…never mind dont answer.
A snapshot of a brain on drugs
November 30th, 2009
8:32 am
Clyde
November 30th, 2009
7:56 am
WE CAN KILL ALL OF THOSE BIRDS WITH ONE STONE BY GETTING RID OF WOODSON, PERIOD.
-Ken Strickland
Fundamentals
November 30th, 2009
9:04 am
No interior D, no rebounding, no effort = no chance of a win! Our loss tonight was effort. A perfect situation to put in Randmo, ZaZa, Marvin, Crawford and Teague in at the same time. Maybe then Marvin would feel like he was part of the offense and team. You can’t get in the flow if you never get shots.
We’ve gotta have the balls to sit Joe when he’s obviously not in the building. I’m convinced we need to move Marvin to the second unit where he can develop. You can’t tell me Randmo and Teague wouldn’t have given monster energy & effort if given a chance yesterday. Nobody cared, nobody had heart. This has been going on for about 5 games now…plus 1/2 of last year. The guys just aren’t mature enough to bring it every night and Woodson is too worried about his job to trust his bench.
He needs to learn to sit starters when they obviously don’t have it on a particular night and to rely on his bench. They can’t develop if they never see the court. I’m first to say he deserves a chance, but he may not deserve an extension if he can’t figure this point out.
Marvin can never succeed when he’s 5th option. He needs to move to the 2nd unit if we ever want to see him succeed.
Mike is Back
November 30th, 2009
9:34 am
Great stuff as always,
Catching up on the blogs is always a great time for me. Man guys crack me UP!!. I didn’t see the game…but just reading the sound bites from blog tells me it wasn’t our finest hour. lol
I been trying to help urge on THE BIRDS!!!!! They can’t afford lose these games at the dome. After the game I went to check on the Hawks score…I was totally shock at the out come. BUT OVERALL I’M BULLISH ON THE COACH AND THE TEAM!!!
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
terrell barron
November 30th, 2009
9:43 am
Woody said he was embarrassed by the Hawks performance in Detroit. Wtf? Hell, I’m embarrased everytime he calls a freakin Iso Joe. lol!! But seriously, I think Josh Smith is the new “Hawks best player”. The media still gives that honor to JJ. To be honest, JJ might not even be the best shooting guard on the team anymore.
Rod from College Park
November 30th, 2009
10:01 am
Truth-Serum,
You are right. It’s very hard to battle the Bubba Crew, but someone has to do it. Maybe we should join forces.
Dap01
November 30th, 2009
10:16 am
Pound, Pound, Pound. Blank stare, Blank stare, Blank stare. Joe, Joe, Joe. Woody, Woody, Woody.
Daniel
November 30th, 2009
10:20 am
Vava- I like your post. I think it is the time to keep our cool. The season is a marathon, not a sprint. At 12-4 we are still on pace to win 60 games, which is honestly a lot better than I thought we would do. I totally agree that the Detroit loss was a total “lack of effort” game, and the kind of game that really legit teams don’t have often. The Hawks are still building towards legitimacy, so they cannot afford those games the way say and LA, San Antonio or Boston can.
I am looking for this team to go 3-1 over the next 4 games. If after 20 games, we are 15-5, I will be satisified.
I will start really looking at playing rotations and player performance between games 20-30, that is about the point I expect this team to be hitting it’s stride.
BTW- Hawks need a center only two teams are in the NBA finals, every year. Also, is Kendrick Perkins a legit NBA center, more so than Al?
Before you attack a whole group of NBA fans, you would do well to know (even remotely) what you are talking about.
Daniel
November 30th, 2009
10:26 am
Fundamentals- “nobody cared, nobody had heart”- You summed it up perfectly, really what other analysis of the Detroit game is there.
However, I can tell you that Randmo and Teague may have not given monster energy, because I just did. I agree that particularly in the 3rd quarter why not give them a shot, if for nothing else to send a message to the starters that no one’s minutes are safe without effort.
RandMo has entire career from college to the pro’s of NEVER giving monster energy. Just sayin’
Peter
November 30th, 2009
10:38 am
Well I agree with those that think Marvin is a disaster…..not only have we NOT found a true Point that can make a difference………Keeping Marvin around is silly. I saw him at a Pet’s mart, and I thought……Gee does this guy even lift weights ?
For a 6′ 9″ guy he cannot jump to save his life, and is so soft on the boards, and around the rim it is pitiful to watch…….Can anyone tell me what his Biggest rebounding game was this year ? How about ever ?
When he takes the ball to the rim, he is constantly blocked or fouled, but can’t finish off the shot, and create a 3 point play.
I think he and JJ should be traded……they gave Joe the opportunity to resign, but he refused…..so the writings on the wall. I think he believes the team will go later in the playoffs, and so he will get an even bigger deal than he has.
JJ is all about me at this point, why not trade him and Marvin for a Big, and a point.
Woody, well I have called for him to go, and I still feel he cannot take the team to the next level, watching the O makes me think that. Getting rid of JJ will mean the ball and the team can move on O, and perhaps we can have a real chance come playoff time.
honest_abe
November 30th, 2009
10:47 am
not saying that al can’t man the five. but al is a natural powerforward. while kendrick is a natural center. kendrick perkins is a legit center because of his physicality and toughness in the paint. he’s too strong to push around down low and he always manages to get into other players heads by giving hard fouls. it’s his presence not his size that makes him a true center. doesn’t hurt that he outweighs al by 35 lbs either.
Daniel
November 30th, 2009
10:52 am
Peter- So let’s see, team is on pace to win 55-60 games, probably be very competitive in top three in the conference, and you want to trade JJ and Marvin? For whom exactly? Some imaginary center and a point guard? C’mon man at least keep your discussion somewhat in the real world.
Fundamentals
November 30th, 2009
10:52 am
Teague is going to give the effort regardless. I can admit Randmo has been an awful dissappointment up until his last game…or first game of this season. He was banging folks, getting boards and I think he hit every shot he took. Not bad for a man who knows McDonalds is his next option after this year is out. His back’s against the wall this year. I think he’s going to give what he’s got…whatever that may be. Granted I’ll admit we’ll be hunting kids to fill in slots for 3 big men when they leave after this year. That is unless Collins likes his courtside, I never get to play, seat.
With the lack of effort Sunday from the kids that played I would’ve cleared the bench before 1/2 time and made a statement. Our scrubs could’ve gone down 14 and then let the starters wake up and fix it. Didn’t they learn anything from the whoopin Orlando put on us in the second 1/2? I was praying that was what we would do.
At least it wasn’t another national broadcast where they’d blame it on Turkey.
TOTAL LACK OF EFFORT, HEART & TESTICLES!
Daniel
November 30th, 2009
11:11 am
Ken-
I would love for you to ask Woodson something like this… “It appears that this team has played with a lack of focus, energy and effort after the Houston game. What do you attribute this to? and If you have noticed the same things, then is discipline involved in changing this pattern? Will playing time be reflected in effort?”
kwooden1
November 30th, 2009
11:55 am
Didn’t see last nights game, but from reading the blog it sounded like a disaster. From the stats it still looks like Woody is coaching like he’s got a team full of rookies. He keeps letting his starters work through their mistakes instead of putting them on the bench. What I saw in the Orlando game was Woody watching Zaza get abused down low and JJ hold the ball! Woody needs to take JJ out and remind him to pass the ball! Put Zaza on the bench and use Smith or Collins. Woody’s view has always been my starters are my best players (Crawford is basically at starter) and I will win with my best players on the floor. That’s true until your best players aren’t playing like your best players. If their not playing then put someone else in and see if they will preform. My problem from looking at the stat sheet was, Wallace only shot 4 FTs! If he’s dominating the boards, then start fouling him, he’s a terrible shooter! Send Collins in to do it, do something.
I’m not a Woody supporter, but I do want the team to succeed! Overall I think Woody is doing a decent job. Even if he was doing a great job, I think they would probably only have 1-2 more wins.
Woody, start coaching like you expect to win games by 20+!!
If guys aren’t giving effort, then let them sit!
If they aren’t doing what they are supposed to,
take them out!,
straighten them out!
and put them back in!
GO HAWKS!!
JeJe
November 30th, 2009
12:23 pm
FIRE WOODSON FOR NOT USING THE BENCH.
HE JUST WANTS TO WIN 50 WITH HIS STARTERS AND JCRAW PLAYING 35+ OR WHATEVER. MAYBE A LITTLE ZAZA
THIS IS A JOKE. HE IS JUST COACHING FOR A NEW CONTRACT SO HE’LL BURN OUT THE STARTERS
FIRE WOODSON
TRADE MARVIN. USELESS PLAYER. THE GUY SCORES 9 POINTS AND PPL ACT LIKE HE’S HAD A GOOD GAME. IDIOTS
AND CAN AJC PLZ MUSTER UP THE MONEY FOR A BEAT WRITER. WTF IS THIS GARBAGE? WE DON’T EVEN GET REAL BLOG TITLES, THE BLOGS TAKE 30 SECONDS TO WRITE, AND THE GUY DOESN’T EVEN GO TO THE GAMES. LOL
Grandad
November 30th, 2009
12:27 pm
Fundamentals & honest_abe:
Great insights.*Marvin-moving w/o ball is his strength. He is not a slasher! *Perkins weighs in @ about 285, that make him a bit more of a [5] than Al(on a diet). Plus Hubie said K.P. looked to be a legit 6-10.
Daniel: To answer your question > Biedrins.
*Lakers did not win a championship until Gasol arrived.
* Did anyone notice; Joe had ‘0′,(ZERO), NO free throws Sun.? He did
not get to the line one time.
*I know a fella named Bubba who is an engineer. Not the kind who drives
a train either. I would bet a nickel that he doesn’t even know who MW
is nor does he care. This whole paragraph is totally irrelevant, is it
not?
Daniel
November 30th, 2009
12:34 pm
Grandad- please clarify