Hawks-Pistons
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Hope all are well and enjoying the last day of Thanksgiving break. Looks pretty good for the Hawks this afternoon, you’d think. Detroit is without Rip Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince and most likely Ben Gordon and have lost seven in a row.
Nothing is beyond possible in the NBA – remember Golden State beating Dallas on the road with six guys last week. Every team on a losing streak has to win at some point, and all that. But this would look like a game you’d think the Hawks can go for the kill early and play the second unit.
I’m actually on my way to the Falcons game helping out Darryl Ledbetter, so I don’t think I’ll be on much, but will be curious to read what you all have to say.
Happy armchair coaching!
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Hawks73
November 29th, 2009
3:52 pm
The Hawks take too many nights/days off. There really is no excuses for the lack of effort and intensity especially playing against a weakened Piston team. I hate to say this, but this will be a theme that repeats itself for the rest of the season.
Justin
November 29th, 2009
3:56 pm
Mismatch on offense for sure but a liability on defense. Againts the Celtics he would have to guard Pierce? Do you liek that matcup? AGaionst the Cavs, Lebron? Do you liek that matchup? Agaist the Magic, Vince carter? How about that? Hes a good post defender and we dont want to take away his weak side post blocks by making him guard perimeter oriented players. If Horford was two inches taller, Joe wasnt a ball hog, and their effort didnt fluctuate game to game wed be a very good team! Two off which will most likely never happen!
Big Ray
November 29th, 2009
4:03 pm
I have to laugh at anybody who is mad at Josh Smith for a three point attempt near the end of the game.
What did you want, JJ to go 5-20 instead of 5-19? How about Marvin going 3-9, instead of 3-8? Heh…
BONE
November 29th, 2009
4:20 pm
TEAGUE 0 MINS ][][][][][
vava74
November 29th, 2009
4:28 pm
Couldn’t catch the game today. No available feeds.
I actually was expecting this result today. The Hawks have a tendency of under estimating worse opponents, in particular when they are undermanned.
Even without watching the game, it’s easy to pin point the problem: rebounding, which translates into two things: lack of effort and poor coaching.
I don’t like to point the finger to Woody when the players lay an egg, however, there is not *$%&#£ reason for him not to use his bench to try to change the rebounding effort tonight.
If Marvin was not rebounding, why not play Mo more minutes? Yes, he is shorter, but sometimes size is not everything.
And why play JJ for 43 minutes when he is clearly not player well? We were player either with a SF which was not rebounding (Marvin) or with 3 guards… Doesn’t make sense.
And why not try a BIG line up with Collins or even RandMo with Al and Josh??
Anyhow, we must be realistic. Games are lost. It’s a normal occurrence and good teams also have bad games.
Let’s wait that this recent trend does not expand.
little dave
November 29th, 2009
4:32 pm
i watch these games from afar idont av the day to day press etc of the hawks but the more i watch and read about them .woodson lives and dies by jj
cp
November 29th, 2009
4:45 pm
Woodrow complains for years about how he has no bench, finally gets one and still wont utilize it properly. That switching defense was down right disgusting out there. No effort on the glass. We signed a big body for games like this where he could maybe slow down the Pistons but ol Woodrow wont even use him. Teauge is Law Jr. We might win a few more games than last year but this is dang near the same team.
stats don't lie
November 29th, 2009
4:46 pm
Marvin Williams lost this game. His +/- number for this game was -18. That means Detroit outscored the Hawks by 18 with him on the floor, and without him on the floor, the Hawks outscored Detroit by +12. That’s a 30 point differential! That’s horrible!
stats DO lie
November 29th, 2009
4:53 pm
Mark Twain: Figures often beguile me, particularly when I must do the arranging of them myself. In which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Marvin cost us the game. Joe cost us the game. Josh’s 3 cost us the game. TYPICAL BLOGGER HADD IT PEGGED.
darrell starks
November 29th, 2009
4:54 pm
I THINK BY NOW RICK SUND HAVE 2 REALLY CONSIDER TRADING MARVIN.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
November 29th, 2009
4:55 pm
CAN JOSH PLAY THE 3 POSITION?
GO HAWKS!!!!!
niremetal
November 29th, 2009
5:04 pm
Justin put it best: Why would we want our best help defender – hell, probably the LEAGUE’S best help defender – playing the 3, where he’d spend most of his defensive time on the perimeter?
matt Jones
November 29th, 2009
5:08 pm
Yes he can but not as an outside shooter. Bosh at 5, Horford at 4 Smith at 3, Johnson/Crawford at 2 and Bib at 1. Trade MW, and JJ if they insist to Toronto for Bosh. Or Marv, a 7 footer and 1 round pick for Bosh. We need to do whatever we can to pull that trade off. It is time for Sund to get to work. Woody needs to use the bench or Sund needs to get him off the bench.
Rod from College Park
November 29th, 2009
5:09 pm
Another wonderful effort by our future best player Marvin “Duck” Williams. Where would we be without him?
Ken
November 29th, 2009
5:10 pm
It just fustrating watching this team because they never make ajustments from game to game. JJ didn’t have it last game and again today. Yet he plays over forty minutes. Why does Josh continue to take illadvised shots at critical times in the game. How can you get out rebounded 53 to 27 to a team without two of their starters. These things point to coaching . Why have a much improved bench if you are not going to use them. The Hawks have too many immature starters who feel they are entitled to play whether they are producing or not. Again, this falls upon coach Woodson . Woodson is always saying how the bench players must earn their minutes, well, what about the starters?
darrell starks
November 29th, 2009
5:10 pm
CAN WE GET ANDRINS BIEDRINS FROM GOLDEN STATE?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!
darrell starks
November 29th, 2009
5:14 pm
GOLDEN STATE NEED A SMALL FORWARD BAD BUT DO THEY THINK HE IS WORTH BRINGING 2 THE TEAM?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
niremetal
November 29th, 2009
5:24 pm
And PS – Marvin’s status as a BYC player makes it pretty much impossible to trade him.
darrell starks
November 29th, 2009
5:25 pm
STARTER BIBBY, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, ANDRIS BIEDRINS.
BENCH TEAGUE, CRAWFORD, MOE, JOE SMITH, ZAZA.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
BONE
November 29th, 2009
5:28 pm
Niremetal the Hawks can trade him after Dec 15
darrell starks
November 29th, 2009
5:31 pm
WE ARE HURTING BAD AT THE 3 BUT WE HAVE 2 MOVE HORFORD 2 POWER FORWARD.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!
Mr. Subliminal
November 29th, 2009
5:34 pm
OHMYGODIDIDNOTSEETHISCOMING – ROD IS BLAMING THE LOSS ON MARVIN!!!!!
niremetal
November 29th, 2009
5:34 pm
BONE,
Until December 15, we’re completely barred from trading him because of restrictions on trading away free agents that a team just signed (or re-signed). But BYC rules are a separate set of rules that govern how a player’s salary is computed in trades when he is re-signed by his old team using the Bird exception. BYC rules apply until June 30:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q73
darrell starks
November 29th, 2009
5:38 pm
OUR FRONT COURT JOSH, HORFORD, ANDRIS BIEDRINS WOULD MAKE THE HAWKS THE BEST DEFENSIVE TEAM IN THE NBA.
GO HAWKS!!!!!
BONE
November 29th, 2009
5:38 pm
Heres the problem:
Horford needs to be playing in his natural position which is Power Forward. But Josh plays the 4 spot. And Josh is not a true PF and he is too bad of a shooter to play SF. Josh is the definition of a Tweener.
darrell starks
November 29th, 2009
5:42 pm
BONE I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU BUT JOSH WILL SHUT DOWN ANY ONE AT THE 3POSITION.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
making your point
November 29th, 2009
5:46 pm
they are dogging the hawks live on internet radio..
http://www.sportsjourney.com
click and listen
BONE
November 29th, 2009
5:52 pm
the hawks deserve to get trashed
Rod from College Park
November 29th, 2009
5:59 pm
Oh its Mr. Subliminal, I mean Nireclown. Great game by Marvin huh. Marvin Williams lost this game. His +/- number for this game was -18. Guess that means nothing huh. Great idea to resign him this summer for more than any other small forward. I wonder who said it was not a good idea. Hmmmmm.
BONE
November 29th, 2009
6:04 pm
If the NBA were a prison then the Hawks would be the prisoners who get passed around constantly
Saint Richt
November 29th, 2009
6:11 pm
Please Joe Johnson leave after this season. Step up and EARN your GD money. You are playing like garbage. No way this team should lose a game like this. GOOD TEAMS win these games. I guess we know that the Hawks aren’t quite there yet. Good job coaching them up Woodson.
Clyde
November 29th, 2009
6:11 pm
When will the madness stop?
FIRE WOODY
what about joe
November 29th, 2009
6:13 pm
Marvin is not the problem, hell he only takes around 8 shots a game…the problem is your “superstar JOE JOHNSON” this dude is not worth what he is asking for…I dont get it, u idiots bash Marvin but Joe Johnson pounds the ball for 18 seconds and throws up brick after brick….HE IS NOT AN SUPERSTAR
BONE
November 29th, 2009
6:26 pm
Marvin is 6 foot 9 and got 2 rebounds. 2 REBOUNDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. HOW IN THE HELL COULD U SAY MARVIN IS NOT THE PROBLEM. HE’S NOT THE ONLY PROBLEM BUT HE IS A PROBLEM.
THE 3 PROBLEMS OF THIS TEAM: 1)JOE 2)MARVIN 3)WOODY’S TERRIBLE COACHING
Rod from College Park
November 29th, 2009
6:31 pm
what about joe,
Because us idiots realize that Joe steps up 90% up the time, and Marvin never steps up.
nunna yo buzinezz
November 29th, 2009
7:12 pm
woodson has got to go..
Najeh Davenpoop
November 29th, 2009
7:52 pm
Why the hell does the NBA schedule games on Sunday afternoons during NFL season? I realize this game was in Detroit, and not only had the Lions already played but even if they were playing today nobody in Detroit would be watching them, but I’d be surprised if even half the regular viewership was watching this game in the metro ATL area.
As for the game, it sucked. Josh Smith is the only guy who came to play, and even he didn’t play particularly well. That’s now 4 straight games where the Hawks have played like the 37-45 team that squeaked into the playoffs in 2007, instead of the supposed-to-be contender of 2009-10. They need to get this fixed quick.
Sam from da Swats
November 29th, 2009
8:08 pm
Wow, reading the blog now from last year is like night and day. Now, most of the blog realizes how horrible and inconsistent Marvin is. I promise you, he has one other game like the Houston game under his belt for the rest of the season and that’s it. This was the perfect game for him to step up. He was outplayed by Villanueva, and Jerebko. Villanueva I can understand but Jerebko? This is what I’ve been saying, this guy is GARBAGE. +/- stats for Marvin, Marvin -18? ARE YOU F….KING SERIOUS?????? CUT THIS DUDE IMMEDIATELY PLEASE!!!!!!
Sam from da Swats
November 29th, 2009
8:10 pm
For those who don’t understand, +/- is team net points while player is in the game. Meaning when Marvin was playing, Detroit was 18 points better than us. GET RID OF THIS CLOWN!!!
dub366
November 29th, 2009
8:36 pm
This is not the Atlanta Hawks Basketball Team, it’s the Joe Johnson & Woody Show. No matter what Joe does; missing shots or turnovers, he doesn’t come out of the game until he has gotten the team so far behind, the team cannot come back, with all the ball hogging and everything. I’m just tired of looking at this mess; also there is no ball movement.
dub366
November 29th, 2009
8:44 pm
HOW CAN MARVIN SETPUP WHEN HE CAN’T GET HIS HANDS ON THE BALL ,BECAUSE OF JOE
HOGGING THE BALL. DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN JOE WAS OUT WHO LED THE TEAM IN SCORING IT WAS MARVIN. JOE AND WOODY NEED TO GO.
JeJe
November 29th, 2009
8:51 pm
WOODSON SHOULD NOT GET AN EXTENSION
TALKS ABOUT USING BENCH BUT DOESNT.
IDIOT. USE THE BENCH U MORON. WHY DID U SIGN JASON COLLINS?
The Mind of Sanity the trilogy
November 29th, 2009
8:59 pm
A broken record
Same problem, same answer,
The Mind of Sanity
If you did not want to sound twisted you would compare head coaches to head coaches. Let me help you with a better example.
Woodson is to over achieving what Mark Richt is to underachieving.
I hope that help’s. Woodson is responsible for the Hawks fortunes, not his assistant coaches. Mark Richt is responsible for the Dogs fortunes, or the lack thereof, not his assistant coaches. Ill bet you buck a lot of responsibility at work….You do have a job dont you ?
Its amazing how far this center-less team has come. What I cant understand is how we can call Sund a general manager when he has not and will not address our # 1 deficiency, no center to compete at the higher levels.
N.J. is 0-16 and is going nowhere. They have a 7 foot center who has skills, size and weight. Hes polished and can compete with Howard or Oneal. Hes currently averaging 17.9points and 9 rebounds per game. GO GET THIS GUY LOPEZ!! WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY PAYING SUND FOR? YOU GET LOPEZ AND KEEP THE NUCLEUS TOGETHER AND WE ARE IN THE TOP THREE AND READY TO K.S.A.!!
FIRE SUND IF HE CANT GET THIS DONE. 0-16? OH YEAH LOPEZ CAN BE GOT!
what about joe
November 29th, 2009
9:09 pm
Rod from College Park,
If your ‘SUPERSTAR’ would swing the damn ball instead of pounding the ball for 18 seconds maybe Marvin would average more points….This is supposed to be Joe Johnson’s team not Marvin’s…Joe Johnson is not a superstar and his stats are inflated because he has the ball all game..and jacks up shots..Everyone except you people who be on this blog know that if joe johnson is your best player you will not be an elite team…Joe Johnson really isnt a 2 guard, he is a small foward, thats y elite 2 guards eat his lunch every time.thats y he cannot blow past defenders, and it takes him 2 hours to get to the basket..if he was an superstar dont you think Phoenix would have signed him back.TEAMS DONT TRADE SUPERSTARS…And to add insult to injury, Woodson is the damn coach!
what about joe
November 29th, 2009
9:11 pm
rod from college park,
Who makes the most money on the Hawks?
Who makes the most money on the Hawks
November 29th, 2009
9:21 pm
Sund sorry Azz
darrell starks
November 29th, 2009
9:48 pm
MIND OF SANITY I LIKE LOPEZ 2 BUT IT WOULD TAKE MORE THAN MARVIN 2 BRING HIM HERE WHO WOULD YOU GIVE UP FOR LOPEZ?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
November 29th, 2009
9:51 pm
Im sorry guys but the more i watch marvin play the more i shake my head.
GO HAWKS!!!!!
darrell starks
November 29th, 2009
9:52 pm
I say trade him now while he has a little value.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Sam from da Swats
November 29th, 2009
10:05 pm
dub366, are you on crack? Marvin lead the team in scoring when Joe was out? That was like 2 games you idiot, and that was last year without Jamal Crawford and against the Timberwolves and Bobcats….Before you come on here talking ignorant, bring something more than that. Marvin is a bum..