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Greetings, all-
We’ve got a pretty good test for a number of reasons.
You’d have to think this is a game the Hawks should win, particularly if they’re torqued off about how they finished last night. The Hawks are a better team than Philly, plus the Sixers are missing point guard Lou Williams. Philly has lost eight of 10.
One thing to watch will be how the Hawks respond from the patterns of their second-half debacle, particularly how well they move the ball in the half court.
On to the game.
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moboman
November 28th, 2009
12:51 am
Teague has to make a jump shot or two to keep the D honest. Until he is willing to take an occasional shot and make it, his minutes will be given to Jamal, and for good reason. But its a long season. He will get his time when an injury occurs, and will make good on it. Patience all, it WAS a win tonite. But Im gettin tired of watchin JJ dribble too. Pass the ball.
cdog
November 28th, 2009
12:59 am
za za shouldn’t be playing any minutes. until he gets from being nailed to the floor, he should keep his spot warm on the bench. i still don’t know why did we cut garret siler? also, can the hawks find some playing time for jason collier? is he having trouble in areas or something? what we are getting out of za za, collier should be on the floor. pachuia is wasting valuble time when we either need to trade for big man such as amarie stodamauer. as least he and collier ia s active around the basket. za za plays like he has a stave stuck up his back. if the ball didn’t come his way he would never make an effort to get it.
nunna yo biznezz
November 28th, 2009
1:59 am
moboman says: “Teague has to make a jump shot or two to keep the D honest. Until he is willing to take an occasional shot and make it, his minutes will be given to Jamal, and for good reason.”
That may be woody’s thinking,but i doubt it..He just have what “ant banks” says that most of us have about teague,but woody has it with his starters..And thats a man crush,lol…
I love da fact that we have a coach who is a “players coach”,and he should stick by his starters when they have a bad night,he really should.
But,when they are consistently,unconsistent,and he does not show his displeasure during the game with them like he does his bench and start putting their butts on the bench for bad,selfish play,then he will coach himself out of a contract..
Woody,will over use his starters like he is doing jj right now.And,jj will become mysteriously sick,and sit out a few games like he did before all star break last year,and,come back after a few games and shoot lights out..Woody,does not care,its playing for his food time,and he wants it all..
But,what he does not know is that,he is wearing and tearing down his starters,and it is they who will shut him out (like they do now),but,as they get tired from logging so many heavy minutes now..
Player developement is what this guy has no clue of..
None what so ever..
What teague is lacking now is experience and a shot like bibbs.But,you can’t find too many rooks or 1st,2nd,or even 3rd year PG’s who do right now,but what teague lacks is far outgained by what he brings with his game..And,he has more positives than bibbs does with his game right now..
For one,he has 2 healthy ankles……….
2.He has super speed to go around defenders and break down defenses and drive by opponents for easy lay in’s..
3.He is better with one on one defense than bibbs,and he has quick hands which help him with his steals..
4.He plays the inside out game,instead of looking for his buddys to dribble,dribble,dribble,back them down,head fake a few times and shoot,JT passes the ball down low,inside,and lets the bigs play from there..If its not there,they pass it out and he sets up the wingers or himself for drives or close in shots..
I bet,he reads these blogs,and i have to say mr.teague,you have an upbeat attitude considering everything we say on here defending what we see is wasted time with u on the bench..
Keep the attitude up,and continue to play your game. We know as well as u know,that,your a rookie and you have vets ahead of you with minutes being shared by them..But,its just our frustration by this coach that we have seen over the years and the way we have lost out on the developement of our PG’s under him..
And,we don’t want u to go in that same direction..Thats all…
OK??
Nite all..
jean ny
November 28th, 2009
2:13 am
if jamal crawford and joe switches situations n jo eplayed for knicks warriors…would joe still be viewed as the better player…because accoring to most lists joe is a top 20 player in the league…..while crawford is like top 80…iam just sayin i dont think joe is much better maybe alil wha ya think??
MyView
November 28th, 2009
2:22 am
Based on schedule and my read on the Hawks, I see them with a 27-14 record halfway through the season. Where they go from there depends on whether or not they improve in the second half along with the injury virable.
Future Beat Writer/Columnist
November 28th, 2009
2:59 am
Ken,
Growing up in Marietta, I often heard about the legendary Blue Devil and Supersonic career of a sharp shooter named Dale Ellis. I attended his basketball camps and once “beat him” at a game called bump. That was always fun.
But, Dominique Wilkins was my hero. He was a man, who rattled rims inside the Omni, the Boston Garden, and every NBA arena he walked into. Wilkins was the greatest athlete I have ever seen. As a kid, I would religiously watch the Hawks on our cable-less TV. The picture used to fade in and out at times. But, no matter how cloudy the reception became, Dominique was always visible. I can remember trying to emulate his dunks on my Nerf hoops. Unfortunately for those thin plastic rims, I often got so excited that I would destroy them, Darrell Dawkins style.
Dominique had what they call “once in a lifetime” talent. He was Babe Ruth to me. The Wilkins led Hawks may not have won an NBA title, but I’m thankful to have grown up watching #21 play the game.
Check out the human highlight film:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyUf-9ruJi8
terrell barron
November 28th, 2009
6:26 am
JJ scored 9 points and we still WON. Learn from this Woody. Enough with the ISO Joe nonsense. We’re a much better team when EVERYONE is involved. Even Stevie Wonder can see that.
al
November 28th, 2009
7:18 am
Come on Woody,if you can stop Josh from hoisting up ill advised 3’s, can’t you stop Joe from hogging the ball? The change in Josh’s game help make this a better team.If Joe stop his dribbling show this team could be even better.
dap01
November 28th, 2009
8:16 am
Woodson is to offensive plays as Willie Martinez is to defense.
Ree Roe
November 28th, 2009
8:34 am
If you hadn’t watched the game & went off of these comments, you woulda sworn we lost by 20 plus. I watched this entire game & although we weren’t 100% sharp, we were never in danger of losing this game & won by 14. Last yr, we lose this game. This yr we took care of business. Would I like to see Marvin play better? Yes. Could we get better ball movement? Yes. Would I like to see more Teague? Yes. But yall know what? We don’t need Marvin scoring 15 a game this yr, that’s why we got Crawford. Ball movement is getting better outside of Joe & Jamal.
As for Teague, homie isn’t running this team when he’s on the floor & he’s a liability on offense. He looks hesitant at times. I’m fine with how Woody is playin him so far. Hawks fans RELAX. This is one of our best starts in team history. Calm down.
-REEcently Roe!
Clyde
November 28th, 2009
8:45 am
NIQUE!!!!!!!!
D.carter
November 28th, 2009
9:15 am
Woody allows joe to pound the ball for 12 seconds… we need to set more high ball screens which creates penetration which creates ball movement and easy shot or shotfake drives, why we dont do this i will never know… Joe is killing the offense believe it or not
rusty
November 28th, 2009
9:54 am
1- jj sulked the whole game,i think he finally might have been told to stop dribbling so much
,pass the ball quicker & stop shooting so much
2- josh comes out the first 3 minutes parked 15 feet from the basket looking like he is sleep
walking,woody quickly pulls him. it appears that the team is getting sick of jj. it appeared
that josh & woody could be fueding again but josh is realizing that woody holds the minutes. it seems that the team wants to have an offense that involes ball movement if they are going to contend for anything. this will be great
TrainWreck
November 28th, 2009
10:13 am
Ree Roe is a fool
ILL-logical
November 28th, 2009
10:24 am
Charles Barkley said last year during the first round serise with the Heat that the Hawks had to make a decision as to whether it was Joe’s team or Josh’s team. That comment takes on greater significance when you look at the current state of affairs regarding Joe’s play.
Josh wants and needs to have a running offense to be at his maximum effectiveness; Joe (and Woodson) prefere a half court offense because he has to guard the other team’s point guard/ best score as well as produce 20+ ppg.Joe has been an All Star and highly compensated player playing in this system and the team has steadily improved over the last 4 years of his enure in Atlanta.
However, this year there are bigger expectations coming from the national media and the local fan base that are focusing scrutiny on the style of play that has been used. The blow outs against top ranked teams were not just bad in and of themselves it was how and why the Hawks lost that is building up some pressure for changes in the way the team operates, inspite of the overall success.
Case in point: for years management and staff has been in lockstep on the subject of Al being a center. Yet in every nationally televised game the commentators all say Al is playing out of position albeit quite well.And tthe beat down inflicted by Dwight Howard didn’t help the team’s argument -neither did Sam Dalembert’s block party last night.
Is the team better than last year-yes,so far. will it continue to grow and improve-that is the question that is yet to be answered but Joe’s recent swoon doesn’t create a sense of optimism.
Ree Roe
November 28th, 2009
10:34 am
Trainwreck how am I a fool? Explain.
-incREEasingly Roe!!!
RLP
November 28th, 2009
11:33 am
ILL-logical:
Good analysis. So far this year their has been more ball movement than in the past. There has also been far less ISO Joe. In one sense I think the good ball movement has actually helped JJ when we have gone into the ISO Joe game. He has been more successful in driving to the basket because teams are aware that if they drop off the other players we have guys who can hit open shots. And when the team does get into the passing game during a half court offensive set they have demonstrated some beautiful passing.But elimination of the ISO Joe will not happen completely. The key is to minimize the times it does occur. And for all of those who are so opposed to it there should be some recognition that it is fairly effective – at times. That does not constitute an endorsement however.
RA
November 28th, 2009
11:48 am
The ISO-JOE or the ISO anyone is the biggest single threat that this team has to being a viable contender in the east. They spent the first half of that Orlando game whopping them like red headed step kids because they were playing as a team. They stopped working their offense and started playing as individuals. It’s not just ISO-JOE it’s ISO-JOSH, ISO-AL, ISO-Marv (on those rare occaisions that Marvin tries to play offense…). But Joe has to set the example. You can’t stand around after a bad loss talking about whether a team is a contender or a pretender after you were the black hole that the ball decended into more often than not. If Joe wants the Hawks to play like an elite team, he’s going to have to be an elite player, making the timely pass as well as the big shot. He’s the captain, setting the example is HIS responsibility.
Rod from College Park
November 28th, 2009
12:04 pm
Great game by Marvin (LOL). I sure wish we had Thad Young.
JeJe
November 28th, 2009
12:22 pm
WOODY LEFT STARTERS IN AT 10 MIN MARK OF 4TH TILL END.
LOL.
COACHING FOR NEW CONTRACT, NOT FOR A DEEP PLAYOFF RUN
USE TEAGUE IN THE 2ND HALF FFS. DON’T BURN DOWN EVERYONE’S LEGS SO WE CAN GET A 13 PT WIN VS THIS MISERABLE PHILLY TEAM
MannyT
November 28th, 2009
12:54 pm
Who will take advantage of the Hawks Black Friday/Cyber Monday deal? Buy ticket to Boston or Cleveland, get seat in similar section for other Dec/Jan game for $10?
EJH
November 28th, 2009
1:03 pm
Watching the Hawks the first 16 games of the season, I have noticed some positives and negatives with the team. And as far as Marvin Williams is concerned, he is averaing 10 points and 5 rebounds per game. Those numbers are close to Ron Artests’s 12 points and 5 boards, and Lamar Odom’s 9 points and 8 boards per game. When you have as many scorers on a team as the hawks or lakers some people are not going to get shots and in either the Hawks case or Lakers it seems to be Marvin here and Lamar and Ron Artest in L.A. And another thing if Marvin played for the Knicks, Timberwolves, or Nets, he would average 20 plus easy because he would be the first, second, or even third option. I will get to the positives and negatives of this team in a later post.
Big Ray
November 28th, 2009
1:54 pm
I bet the Sixers wish they had Josh Smith more than the Hawks wish they had Thad Young…
Benjamin
November 28th, 2009
1:58 pm
So, a day later, I read through these comments again, and I see these criticisms of Joe hogging the ball, and I check the stat sheet.
30 minutes. 8 shots.
If y’all wanted to comment on his poor night scoring wise or four turnovers, I’d understand. He didn’t play well. I guess I would have had to watch the game to see where all this talk is of him hogging the ball, but 8 shots? You want Joe shooting MORE than that, don’t you? Not complain about is ball-hogging…
I’m surprised.
Benjamin
November 28th, 2009
2:02 pm
Big Ray, I’m glad Josh Smith finally listened to someone — Coach Woody, an AAU coach, Harry the Hawk… whoever — and learned what kind of player he’s built to be. Here’s hoping we don’t see him revert to jacking up ill-advised threes, trying to go coast-to-coast dribbling behind his back before throwing no-look passes into the third row, etc.. He needs to be crashing the rim on both ends and harassing the hell out of the other team’s best offensive threat like he’s been doing.
Until this season, I’ve dreaded seeing Smith in the game to the point where I wanted us to keep Chill and let Smith go elsewhere prior to Childress’s signing with the team in Greece. Smith’s always had a world of talent/potential, but his two cent head kept getting in the way. Glad to see he’s doing consistent damage now.
Big Ray
November 28th, 2009
2:03 pm
EJH ,
I don’t know about that. Who does Marvin take the ball away from in NY? Al Harrington? Don’t think so. Wilson Chandler? Ehhh..maybe.. He may average 16+, but not 20+ easily .
In Minnesota, he has to share time with Corey Brewer, who though lacking Marvin’s shooting ability, is still managing Marvin’s level of stats, and Ryan Gomes, who is a bit tougher.
In New Jersey, second year man Chris Douglas-Roberts is getting over 17 and 5 a game, while rookie Terence Williams averages the same as Marvin.
I think Marvin could do more if featured more, but he’s clearly a role player on this team.
It isn’t just Jamal Crawford that is taking up some offense. It’s also Josh Smith and Al Horford. Yeah, Marvin IS the 5th option on this starting lineup. Ever ask yourself why?
I think the answer is popping up every day now. How many games has Marvin stepped up in, where other guys were struggling? He had an opportunity last night, when JJ was struggling. Who stepped up? Bibby. Crawford. Smith. Horford.
If Marvin is good for 20+ on other teams, he should be good for more than just half that on THIS team. Right?
Big Ray
November 28th, 2009
2:13 pm
Benjamin ,
Don’t be surprised. Inaccuracy is an epidemic around here, lol. Yeah, Joe struggled badly last night. It wasn’t that he was being a ball-hog, it was that he forced some things when he really didn’t have to. Fortunately, he didn’t keep playing like that.
Josh Smith is finally getting it, and while it hasn’t made him a 20ppg scorer, games like last night proved just how valuable he is to this team. Here’s the thing: the kid isn’t dumb. Just impatient, and lacking much of the basketball tutoring that so many others have gotten.
You can’t teach what he has: physical skills that are just nuts. But what he has is in such abundance, I don’t think anybody bothered teaching him the fundamentals. So he comes to the NBA, straight from high school, playing like a high schooler. Who was there to mentor him? Al Harrington? Yeah, for a minute, but that guy is anything but a mentor. And Woody is NOT a teacher. He doesn’t have the patience, figuring anybody that comes into the pros IS a pro.
Josh isn’t dumb. Merely impatient. Nobody taught him to pass. He knew how, he just had to figure out WHEN, and how to make GOOD passes, not FLASHY passes. His assist average is not a mistake or fluke. I watched him throw 3 or 4 very good passes inside to Horford and Marvin last night. Passes that got dropped.
He has finally listened to somebody, and is now seeing the dividends it pays to play within his game. He takes far fewer jumpers, but he still needs to have a jumper. Only the absolutely most dominant big men don’t need a jumper (Shaq). The key is to know when to shoot it, and to hit it when needed. Josh is learning that.
Look how he’s playing NOW, and realize that he still doesn’t turn 24 for another week or so…
This kid had to learn to play the game at the highest level, coming straight out of high school, with no fundamentals, and no real mentors (unless you think Rasheed being here for one day or Lorenzen Wright and his popcorn jokes were enough to do the trick).
This is why DJ White and Gerald Green aren’t getting anywhere…
Rod from College Park
November 28th, 2009
2:38 pm
EJH,
Marvin would never average 20 points on any NBA team. If he could score like that he would draw the other teams best defender, or maybe a double team, and he surely could not score then. He can’t score now with the worst defenders in the league guarding him. He is one of the worst small forwards in the league. I’m not sure if he was not on the Hawks if he would still be in the league.
darrell starks
November 28th, 2009
2:46 pm
The bench players have 2 get more min.
1. JOE SMITH IS AVG 9 MIN PER GAME.
2. TEAGUE IS AVG 8 MIN PER GAME.
3. ZAZA IS AVG 13 MIN PER GAME.
4. MAURICE IS AVG 15MIN PER GAME.
woody have 2 bring the mins up especially joe, teague.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
The First Track of Rod's Mind
November 28th, 2009
2:51 pm
Marvin sucks!
The Second Track of Rod's Mind
November 28th, 2009
2:51 pm
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darrell starks
November 28th, 2009
2:52 pm
Joe johnson have 2 stop dribbling the ball so dam much and move the ball around, he was the reason why the hawks lost against the magic, i blame that on coach woody for not addressing that.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
November 28th, 2009
3:10 pm
When woody is coaching and the team is doing bad like against the magic, its like he become confuse out there and wait on some miracle from his starters, he have 2 realize that when the starters is not performing that you can turn 2 your bench for the energy that the team so desperately need in order 2 get back in the game, he have 2 develop a feel for the game as a coach.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!
brought to you by another outlandish statement
November 28th, 2009
3:40 pm
Marvin would never average 20 points on any NBA team. If he could score like that he would draw the other teams best defender, or maybe a double team, and he surely could not score then. He can’t score now with the worst defenders in the league guarding him. He is one of the worst small forwards in the league. I’m not sure if he was not on the Hawks if he would still be in the league.
Rod on a stolen laptop used on a bench in a park at some college
November 28th, 2009
3:47 pm
Marvin shouldn’t even be in the NBA. That’s why he got picked second in the draft. Yeah makes sense doesn’t it. I’m dumber than j-smoove’s toe nails. But at least I got this lap top that I stole from some college kid. The little idiot hasn’t figured out to turn the internet service off yet. Now what was I saying. Oh yeah, Marvin shouldn’t be in the league, it’s a tragedy. Players who average double digit scoring in the nba are worthless. Nobody in the league is that bad. Nobody I tell you. Now when is Obama going to give me my bailout. I want my own lap top computer and fresh paint on this bench. And acknowledgement as a basketball player. I can’t believe I didn’t make the local college basketball team as a walk on all those years ago. All because I look like george clinton on crack with a bad case of scoliosis.
RA
November 28th, 2009
5:37 pm
Okay, let me clarify the statements that I made before about Marvin Williams. Mo could be an outstanding scorer in the league. We’ve all seen signs of where he can be absolutely devastating, but he lacks the scorer’s menatlity. Now that takes nothing away from his defense and his unselfishness, and as some of you have pointed out, his numbers are still comparable to some of the better players in the league. He’s also money at the free throw line. You can’t just throw all that out. What you want from Marvin Williams is the same thing that you want from the Hawks at-large, consistancy! There’s no question in my mind that Marvin can make shots. The only question I have about him is his willingness to continue to look for opportunities to take them, but I do believe that he’s a bonified NBA player.
Rod, your point is well taken. Now give that boy back his laptop.
moboman
November 28th, 2009
7:48 pm
cdog — I believe Jason Collier has passed on to the great court upstairs. As for Jason Collins, if we werent going to play him, why didnt we keep Siler as a project? That would be more valuable bench warming space than Collins, wouldnt it?
The Mind of Sanity
November 28th, 2009
8:12 pm
dap01
November 28th, 2009
8:16 am
If you did not want to sound twisted you would compare head coaches to head coaches. Let me help you with a better example.
Woodson is to over achieving what Mark Richt is to underachieving.
I hope that help’s. Woodson is responsible for the Hawks fortunes, not his assistant coaches. Mark Richt is responsible for the Dogs fortunes, or the lack thereof, not his assistant coaches. Ill bet you buck a lot of responsibility at work….You do have a job dont you ?
Its amazing how far this center-less team has come. What I cant understand is how we can call Sund a general manager when he has not and will not address our # 1 deficiency, no center to compete at the higher levels.
N.J. is 0-16 and is going nowhere. They have a 7 foot center who has skills, size and weight. Hes polished and can compete with Howard or Oneal. Hes currently averaging 17.9points and 9 rebounds per game. GO GET THIS GUY LOPEZ!! WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY PAYING SUND FOR? YOU GET LOPEZ AND KEEP THE NUCLEUS TOGETHER AND WE ARE IN THE TOP THREE AND READY TO K.S.A.!!
FIRE SUND IF HE CANT GET THIS DONE. 0-16? OH YEAH LOPEZ CAN BE GOT!
The Mind of Sanity
November 28th, 2009
8:16 pm
Darrell starks when I want dribble I read your blogs. How about saying something.
JeJe I guess youre right. He knows you cant win with out a center, he doesnt have one and sund aint gonna get him one so I guess you have to play the hand thats dealt you. Deep playoff run…you funny man. This team makes it to the second rounds wins 1 or 2 games and is done for the year. Doesnt matter who’s coaching.
The Mind of Sanity
November 28th, 2009
9:19 pm
Go Hawks!!
Mychelfromatl
November 28th, 2009
10:01 pm
Wow the Buck are looking real good against the Magic. They’re up by 12.
If you wanna watch live online for free, here’s the link:
http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-nba-3.html
RaJaH
November 28th, 2009
10:07 pm
Anyone else read the yahoo article on the Hawks?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ApZwFI6h6YVRWg7d5cJ9GZi8vLYF?slug=aw-hawks112609&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Oh, still ranked #1 in our fantasy league BTW!
richbrave
November 28th, 2009
10:43 pm
UNIVERSITY of RICHMOND still needs good recruits from the ATLANTA area for both basketball and football. We lose DAVID GONZOLVEZ (SG) and ERIC WARD (Q-back) this year, and KEVIN ANDERSON (PG) will be a rising senior after this season. Great day for SPIDER fans. RICHMOND squeaks by ELON 16-13 in the FCS play-offs while the men’s basketball team just won the South Parde Invitational taking the measure of MISSISSIPPI STATE 63-62 yesterday and MISSOURI 59-52 tonight. Plus the women’s round-ballers cleaned CLEMSON’s clock yesterday. Great sports weekend for RICHMOND.
ant banks
November 28th, 2009
11:48 pm
DARRELL STARKS,
WTF??? we are 12-4 and you are complainin’ that we need to give the bench more minutes? are you effin’ kiddin’ me? woody shouldn’t change ish, why should he. 10 min. for joe smith and zaza? that’s fine, what the hell is wrong with that?
y’all killin’ me wit’ this who needs more minutes ish. pls read some of boston’s blogs, they ain’t cryin’ about their starters minutes!!!
COME ON MAN!!!
Crashing the Glass
November 29th, 2009
1:24 am
What if they replaced Williams with Crawford in the starting 5?
http://crashingtheglass.com/2009/356/step-marvin
Hey loser (aka Crashing the Glass)
November 29th, 2009
2:23 am
No one cares that you have your own blog. Posting little links on every thread just highlights the fact that no one reads your blog. Stop being the douche who thinks his opinion is so valuable that it deserves its own blog. Post your thoughts here like everyone else.
A better question
November 29th, 2009
2:27 am
“What if they replaced Williams with Crawford in the starting 5?”
Here’s a better question: What if we replaced you with someone who actually had something to say here?
darrell starks
November 29th, 2009
2:29 am
ANT BANKS right now we are 12-4 but we still have 2 be optismistic about the hawks, this is a long season and you want keep the team fresh during the season plus keep the bench strong if you want to become one of the elite team in the nba.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
November 29th, 2009
2:52 am
Woody have 2 get marvin more screams plays of picks to get him more invovle and have atleast 10 shots a game, if joe wants 2 be that player find more ways 2 get marvin the ball because we are missing him bad at the 3 position.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!
Big Ray
November 29th, 2009
6:41 am
Actually, the guy who writes “Crashing the Glass” is pretty good. I’d recommend reading his articles.
By the way, if all you have to say is insults towards somebody else’s post, then you’re personifying the very thing you’re accusing somebody else of. It doesn’t get much more retarded than that. Know what’s worse than somebody who is being called a loser? The person who runs behind them calling them a loser…repeatedly. Give it up. Obviously YOU are the one who “doesn’t have a life.”
Posting with names like “a better question” and “Hey loser” is cowardly (even on a computer, how sad are YOU?) to say the least. But hey, I guess everybody has to have a vice.