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hawks need to win tonight to prove they are for real. go hawks.

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This is dedicated to nunna yo biznezz and the others busters

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2gx36_tlc-no-scrubs_music

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Ben Check that horford must play big! Hes my center!

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Gotta slow down Vince and Ryan anderson.

SH1t they have shard too

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Josh Smith can help horford out…I don’t think Horford can handle Horward by himself.

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on my way to the game. lets go hawks!!!!!!

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LETS GET IT…!!!

happy thanksgiving to all…

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Barkley: “Ernie, can you believe we’ve got the Atlanta Hawks on national television…”

Let’s show everybody what we can do!!!!!!!!!!

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lovin the reds! so we didnt do a red-out at philips tonight eh?

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Wtf how was that a turnover on bibby instead of Josh?

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Nice lob + finish from Bibby/Smoove.

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NYB,

You sound like you have a wonderful family. On that, you get an A+, however, you’re still a scrubb in basketball knowledge. Big difference between 6-0 and 11-3. Best start in 12 years. We’ve been #1 in the power ranking for two weeks in a row. We’ve added Crawford and Joe Smith, Josh is playing within himself, we’ve been relatively injury free and the entire world “believes” we’re for real.

Last year, we were injured going into the match up with Cleveland (even though we had no chance anyway). This year we are much better and I haven’t heard anybody outside of this blog mention the need for giving Teague more minutes.

I label you a scrubb because you are a Woody “HATER” with no facts to back it up.

Woody=COY

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Teague, nice steal and coast to coast!

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Woody let the second unit play for a bit longer than normal while they were doing well – I like that.

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Excuse me but are we talking about last year or this year. I see you’re still stuck in the past, Scrubb.

You guys happy? Teague got some burn, He looked pretty good but he’s starting to remind me more and more like “Speedy Claxton” with that knuckle ball palm ball for a jumper. The old man Anthony Johnson is playing off him about 10 feet and he still can’t hit a jumper. He’s quick as a cat but that won’t get you a starting job in the NBA, sorry, it just won’t.

If Teague wants to be a starter he better learn to to what Mr. Bibby just did.

Heat check by Bibby.

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Hawks playing passing lanes with beauty!

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Great ball movement after the Orl – turnover. Great dunk by Horf!

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Hawks are balling!!! Josh is a monster tonight!!!

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I love how we’re collapsing on Howard. He’s not a good passer and they are not making their jumpers. Good job Woody. We are about to blow these clowns out of the building.

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Great defense in the first half. Balanced scoring from the Boyz n Red. Keep it up Hawks. Run em out the gym, they look tired.

-REEcently Roe

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Our undersized center is shutting down D-12 on D, and he has not had many touches on off.

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Yes, the fans are there tonight!

I know I’m not, but we’ll talk about that later!

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I’m posting from section 412 (yeaaaaah cheap seats in the house). Hawks have been great defensively. Magic have looked pretty sluggish and for some reason refuse to involve Dwight Howard more. They have also been doing more than their fair share of whining. The crowd has been really quiet and late-arriving… so much for the red-out (though I did my part). Hawks actually could be up by more if not for some unnecessary turnovers — Josh had a couple of brain farts in that half. If they come out with the same intensity in this half this game could be over by the start of the 4th.

My only regret in coming to this game is that I can’t hear the great Marv Albert call a Hawks game.

Happy Thanksgiving, blogocrats.

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Hello fellow Hawks fans. I have been your blog comments on the Hawks since the beginning of this season. I am a die hard Hawks fans even before I moved to the ATL in 1996 when I lived in Virginia. I am certainly liking the Mike Woodson Hawks especially since the playoff campaign they had against the Celtics two years ago. You just have to give credit to Mike Woodson for shaping this team into what they have become thus far. This is freaking AWESOME.

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AL HORFORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Where’s the ball movement?

We’ve resorted back to the iso’s in this half. JJ dribbling the clock away and forcing up bad shots.

Think we left the energy in the locker room.

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Dammit man.

Get it together.

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Finally.

Don’t know why we didn’t look to Smoove earlier.

We played out of him a lot more in that first half.

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The last ten or so possessions have involved no ball movement. ISO-Joe, ISO-Josh, post up Horford, ISO-Joe, ISO-Jamal, post up Josh…

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J Smoove broke the ice cold spell JJ and Crawford had us under. They need to feed it to Smoove and Horford a little more.

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I dont get it at all. If the team is playing well its because Michael Woodson is a great coach. When the team is not doing well its because the players are not doing what they are told. It sounds like a double standard to me. A great coach is somebody that players listen to all the time, not just some of the time. If Johnson and Smith are the ones doing stuff the wrong way then why is the great coach keeping them in the game all the time. I think I smell a double standard.

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LOL josh is 4-11 with 4 turnovers and yall want to give the ball to him more? The solution is for WOODY to run plays that involve MOVING THE BALL. No defense has ever been broken dowjn by throwing the ball to one guy and have him take the shot without ever looking to pass and thats all their doing right now

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Marvin has given us 0 on the offensive end…

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Is is just me, or does Dwight Howard get away with that monstrous forearm when he’s driving….like, all the damn time?

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bahhh, wheres the good ball movement and shot-making?!

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Josh calls for the clear out…

its a wonder why Mo Evans doesnt foul out more… he is a team foul waiting to happen…

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ISO-Joe

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Glad to see JJ back in there.

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It ain’t gonna cut it late in the year when JJ is tired though, Ray…

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Nire ,

No, it won’t, because then he might be too tired to make that play. But you know that if he keeps making the shot, or if the thought crosses the mind that he CAN make that shot, you’re going to see it over and over, and over….I mean, who is going to talk him out of it? Woody? I’d pay to see that one…

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Callout,

That’s what we did the first half. Where were you? So I guess Woody said at half time: “OK guys we’re doing a great job moving the ball, let’s change it up a bit and go to more ISOs”.

I don’t think so. It’s the players’ on the floor responsibility to recognize that. It’s obvious that you’ve never coached before. A coach is not on the floor and please don’t say bench your best two players in the biggest game of the year.

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I am sick of watching JJ Reddick score on us.

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We’re just missing open shots. Bibby back in, maybe he can hit some shots.

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Nire ,

The man is crazy. He’s ALWAYS wearing some goofed up suit and tie.

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Ray,

I gotta give Reddick some credit. He worked on his body and has developed into a good player. We need to make a run here folks.

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I know, Ray. But usually they’re just in loud and crazy colors. This one looks like he killed a zebra and a snake and wove them together.

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Charles Barkley, this is why people don’t show up at Philips. You get interested and they blow a 14-point lead in a big game looking like they’ve never played basketball before…

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Adjustments are on the players. The coach should not have to do anything because he is not on the floor playing. Where have you been? The coach is not responsible for anything. He stands on the sidelines and thats what makes him great. If something isnt getting done, thats on the players. Didnt you know that. Obviously you have never coached before or you would know that. What a bunch of blarney if I ever heard any before.

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The Hawks can’t buy a basket now. They’ve got to settle down, and get god shots. It seems that they’re pressing.

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4 for 25 in their last shots, the Hawks are.

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Nire ,

He also seems to always be keeping company with chicks half his age. Whatever the deal is, you’re right. He’s a zoot suit throwback or something. Dude’s probably still got a multi-colored van that he drives to Woodstock every year, lol.

Samuel ,

True. Dude was looking like a serious scrub, then he got serious about his game. I still hate to see him scoring on us. I remember when KG was still in Minnesota and they got Wally Sczerbiak (I think they drafted him, I forgot, they might have traded for him). KG stayed on his butt, told him he needed to do the same thing: work on his body, work on his game….never happened, and KG was so disappointed with him. He never turned out to be more than a role player in my eyes. Thing is, he had more size, strength, and speed than Reddick had coming out of college. Huh….

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Are you freakin’ serious?

AJ?!?!?!?!?

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Notice how AJ is killing us and Stan Van keeps him in. Woodson would have gone back to his starting PG.

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The Magic has outscored the Hawks 43 – 20 in the 2nd half. How do you explain that. The Hawks have been off for 4 days, and the Magic play last night, so it can’t be that the Hawks are tired.

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I have got to learn to put money down against any Atlanta team in a national big-time game. I would be so rich by now.

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The difference in the game is that we are 5-25 in our last 30 shots. They missed shots in the first half. Call it what you want but that is the difference. We got one last run so here it goes.

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No ball movement the entire second half. Orlando went to inside and out and its working for them now. We need more drive and dish!

GO HAWKS

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Great. Let’s let TurtleNeck AJ beat us. Rashard and Vince haven’t even done anything

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Offense reverted back to old habits from last year in 3rd Q….one on one…no passing….jump shots.
Sad to see. Maybe they can figure it out before the year’s out. Josh Smith is not the problem this year. Methinks Crawford looked a little too much for his shoot instead of best shot. But it wasn’t just him. The Magic Defense was pretty stout too. Gonna take a serious turnaround to pull this one out.

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ATL HAWKS=PRETENDERSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

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I’m heated man.

The Hawks just literally got wiped in the 2nd half. Wasn’t even close. Can’t remember the last time we’ve made a bucket…

Think it was the J Smoove 3 point play?

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This team is so far superior to us. Brandon Bass didn’t even play.

Shard and Vince didn’t even go off on us. We are never gonna beat this team in a series, and we had a full home crowd. Oh wait, they don’t boo the opposing teams. That would be too hostile

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Maybe Jamaal needs to take a seat also. No ball movement at all! Damn fellas common!

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Hawks were intimidated in second half – pure and simple. Lack of a center will keep them from becoming a first tier team.

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AJ again…unreal

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Past by Bibby as if he was a stick figure!

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Did I forget to tell y’all I’m an anti Hawks fan? I hate the hawks.

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AND PEOPLE HAVE THE NERVE TO SAY WHY ATLANTANS DON’T COME OUT TO SUPPORT THIS TEAM.

LMAOOOOO

THEY LOSE EVERY SINGLE BIG GAME

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out schemed.

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Yes we can just coach. After all, everything is on the players. The coach isnt really supposed to have to do anything or be responsible. Its all the players. So any fool could coach then right?

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46-22 in second half. joke.

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Viper sucks on goats nads.

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This is unacceptable.

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Wow…Zaza had no one within 5 feet of him and Jamal looked right through him.

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JOSH SMITH WITH ANOTHER DUMB JUMPSHOT

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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AJ with 15 in the forth quarter!

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I’m gone! See ya!

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honestly Crawford played like crap on both ends of the floor… Reddick was eating him up…

might be one of the most dissapointing loses ive witnessed… ugly.. bitter…

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2nd half – we saw the Hawks of old…

Nothing but iso’s.
No ball movement.
No transition buckets.

Didn’t see any Teague or Joe Smith in the 2nd half.

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EXPLOIT THE MATCHUP. NO ONE CAN COVER JCRAW. SO DONT LET JJ POUND IT

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I don’t know, Samuel .

The Magic played decent defense, but we were also cold, and got into all the bad habits that give us scoring problems.

And I’m not normally a whiner about the calls, but there were some BS calls that really hurt us.

The score isn’t even really indicative of what happened. We just about gave them that game after beating the brakes off of them in the first half.

They made their adjustments. We did not. That about sums it up.

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AND THE HAWKS WHO WERE JUST GETTING LEAGUE WIDE BUZZ HAVE BEEN EXPOSED ONCE AGAIN AS FRAUDS WHO CAN’T PLAY WITH THE BIG BOYS.

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GREAT GAME, MARVIN! YOU ARE SURE EARNING YOUR PAYCHECK! 1 POINT FOR EVERY 1 MILLION U MAKE IN A YEAR! U ARE AN ABSOLUTELY USELESS PEICE OF GARBAGE. GETTING OWNED BY JJ REDICK (DUKE! LMAO)

WORTHLESS SCUM

GET OFF OF MY BASKETBALL TEAM

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JeJe ,

You don’t like what you see, scroll on. I saw some bad calls out there. No, they aren’t the reason we lost, but there were some bad calls, and they didn’t HELP AT ALL. If you couldn’t see that, then I don’t know what to tell you. I’m going to call it like I see it. So will anybody else. You can take that STFU stuff elsewhere….

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Sorry folks. Yes the officiating was less than desirable, but the Hawks were severly outcoached and the effort from a lot (not all) of the players was sorely lacking.

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now those are the Hawks we all know and love. Always pretenders, NEVER champions. Lazy, unmotivated team. Joe Johnson is NO clutch player, Bibby a washed-up has-been, Josh Smith a hot dog. On the other hand, the Magic will be a championship team. Just like the Falcons, Braves, etc, etc. always pretenders.

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$hitty effort from the hawks. ajc staff were ready to crown them nba champs? gmafb.

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Disgusted at a game we should have won – oh well – time to hit the treadmill to make a dent in the calories I gained.

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SHUT UP RAY. U ARE CLUELESS. LOL @ U BLAMING REFS.

DID U WATCH THE GAME? WE DIDN’T HIT SH!T IN 2ND HALF AND HAD TERRIBLE SHOT SELECTINO

DWIGHT GOT NO CALLS AT ALL ON THE OFFENSIVE END 75 % OF THE TIME. BUT I FORGOT: U ARE THE EXPERT HERE. PROBABLY THE NEXT BEAT WRITER AFTER KEN’S INTERIM PERIOD IS OVER

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Hawks Fan in New Orleans ,

You’re a better man than me. I’m not going anywhere NEAR my treadmill right now. If I do, I might puke, LOL….

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I don’t think the Hawks were playing for the championship, but this was definitely a statement game on national t.v. The effort has got to be better in these situations. No excuses.

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JeJe ,

Here, let me help you out. This is what I posted at 10:41 p.m.

The Magic played decent defense, but we were also cold, and got into all the bad habits that give us scoring problems.

They made their adjustments. We did not. That about sums it up.

Yeah, I totally blamed this one on the refs….completely…utterly….solely….Yep, the whole statement was that the refs were why we lost.

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Doc,

I agree wholeheartedly.

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I dont belive what I just saw. Up by 15 lose by almost 20 WTF?????? Anthony Johnson ???????? WTF????? Couldnt anybody smack his OLD azz around??? Mario West would have whooped his old azz. Do the Hawks still owe him money???? The Hawks miss like 35 shots in the second half?????? WTF??? F-I-V-E days rest and you lay an egg like this on TURKEY DAY on NATIONAL TV?????
Yeah IM PISSED!!!@$$^&*&*^#$@#$@@!##@%% HAWKSSSSSS. Mannnnnn. UGGHHHHHH!!!

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This is a good lesson for the HAWKS. Orlando came out in the second half and started getting stops. Our offensive became totally perimeter! Horford took 3 SHOTS! I REPEAT HORFORD TOOK 3 SHOTS!!! If you want to get Howard out of the paint you have to attack him!! You have to get Horford the ball and make Howard guard him. This game falls on JJ first, Bibby second and Woodson 3rd. Everyone follows JJ on the offensive end. If he’s passing the ball then everyone else will pass the ball. Bibby has to get the ball to Horford. No one else on the team runs the point like Bibby, so he’s the one who has to do it. Woodson has to get the guys to understand this! The HAWKS can play inside out, for stretches when needed, even though their best in the open court.

Orlando showed some really pride in the 3rd quarter. Howard even said it during the exit interview, “We weren’t going to get embarrassed tonight!” (The way Charlotte embarrassed them!)

The solution appears obvious to me! When the game slows down, let Horford/Smoove initiate the offensive. If you get stops push the ball!

GO HAWKS!!!

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“TAKE AWAY VINCE AND RASHARD AND WE STILL LOSE THIS GAME”

Let’s see, Vince scored 21 and Rashard scored 14. That’s a total of 35 points. So let’s subtract 35 from 93 and what do we get? 58.

I seem to recall that we scored 76 points, so if you take away Rashard and Vince, we win 76 to 58….

DING….

DING….

DING….

DING….

DING….

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ANNOUNCERS DID A FREAKING HORRENDOUS JOB TONIGHT.

CALLING FOULS ON JJ WHEN THEY WERE ON VINCE. THE TITO HORFORD REFERENCE.

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DAMM, I finally get to see my new team and then miss all but a few minutes of the third and the fourth. BIBBY is still easy to take on dribble penetration. My goodness, a thirty-five year old guard (JOHNSON) broke him down with ease. And his stroke was off tonight as well.

Too many iso dribble drives and dribbling in general on offense by JOE JOHNSON and others. CRAWFORD couldn’t throw it in the ocean while I was watching. The passing was insufficient and hesitatingly slow the entire time I watched, like people were thinking should I shoot or pass first?

At times I was reminded of WIZARDS play. And believe me, I know sorry NBA style basketball when I see it. Not a well played game. Not too bad on defense. BIBBY’s was the only glaring errors I noted. I guess because I have such a hard-on against the guy. I know there were a few others.

One guy from ORLANDO muscled up to shoot a three while alone, then thought better of it and decided to pass, but no one popped open so he took the shot and missed. The point being, no HAWK broke to cover him after he was alone in the corner. In any event sorry they lost. Go get ‘um next time.

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Again, we scored in the first half by moving the ball and hitting the open jumper. On defense, we doubled Howard and they couldn’t hit their shots.

In the second half, we dribbled to much and missed what open shots we did have. On defense, we still doubled Howard but they began to hit their open shots.

The bottom line is: when they hit their open shots, we can’t beat them because we definitely can’t play Howard one on one.

Honestly, I hardly ever even notice the refs in a game. I have never seen a ref determine the outcome of a game and they definitely didn’t tonight. It was just a tale of two halves.The Magic lost to an inferior Heat team last night and came back to play well tonight.

Hopefully, the guys don’t get down on themselves and go backwards. I know Woody will keep them together.

Woody=COY

I guess the Woody haters will have a little more ammo until the next game. I think i’ll get lost for a couple of days. Besides, my high school football team has a “huge” game tomorrow.

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ILL-logical,

Great points. Question is, will they (coaches and players) actually learn the lessons you pointed out or just keep making the same mistakes?

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JeJe

November 26th, 2009
10:57 pm
ANNOUNCERS DID A FREAKING HORRENDOUS JOB TONIGHT.

………..THE TITO HORFORD REFERENCE.

Yeah, made me feel I was in a time warp.

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SAME CRAP HAPPENED TONIGHT AS NOH. SHOULD’VE ISO’ED CRAWFORD UNTIL HE FOUND HIS SHOT. INSTEAD, WE HAVE JJ POUNDING THE BALL. I DON’T SPEND THE WHOLE POST-GAME ANALYZING THE BOX SCORES. I SPEAK ON WHAT I SAW. WHAT I SAW WAS CRAWFORD TAKING UNCOMFORTABLE SHOTS, INCLUDING 3′S.

BUT THANKS BIG RAY. I THOUGHT U WERE LEAVING.

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JeJe ,

I apologize. I have no business pointing out all of your asinine statements (no matter how factually incorrect they may be), and forcing you to stretch your conjectural comebacks beyond the point of reason. How rude of me.

Samuel ,

Not going to argue about the refs, I know they didn’t determine the game. Although how a coach doesn’t notice refs is beyond me. But you’re right: we lost because we got away from what we did in the second half that was going well for us.

Thing is, the Magic weren’t hitting much more than we were. They shot 43 % for the game. We just kept missing, and ended up shooting 38% for the game. You can’t beat most NBA teams like that unless you’re doing two things: playing better defense on them than they are on you, and outrebounding them. We didn’t do either one.

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Awwww, JeJe….do you want me to leave? Am I bothering you? I’m sorry. I thought you wuz a tough guy, big guy….

I’m sure you can take a little stick poking, kid. But seriously, ISO Crawford until he finds his shot? You DO know this is a team sport, right? What happens if he doesn’t find his shot?

I’ll tell you what: you’ll blame Woody in a heartbeat. Be realistic man. If dude isn’t hitting you set screens for him and get him OPEN looks. ISO is why he wasn’t getting good looks to begin with. Come on, man, you gotta be better than that….

It doesn’t work for JJ, who has made an all-star team TWICE. Why would it work for a guy who has NEVER made the all-star team?

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Jody ,

Good point. Van Gundy was doing an EXCELLENT job of working the refs. Of course, some people will have you thinking that the refs don’t affect the game at all. Heh…

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Crawford?

The guy had the same shooting woes that the entire team was having.

You’re repeating exactly what you said after the NO’s game.
“Give it to Crawford – he’ll save us…”

You can’t expect one guy to carry the load. The Hawks got open looks in the first half as a result of ball movement. That and some transition buckets after getting stops. Nobody wanted to give the rock up in that 2nd half. Guys played off the dribble pretty much the entire 2nd half.

Didn’t go inside out…
No pick and rolls…
No offensive sets…

Straight up ISO’s all half…

How many times did JJ go driving into the lane with 3 bodies around him?

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I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME GUYS ON THIS TEAM GET SOME TECHNICALS TO FIRE OUR TEAM UP. STOP BEING WUSSIES

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KEEP TALKING, RAY!

YOU ARE A GENIOUS!

SMARTEST MAN ALIVE. WHY DON’T YOU APPLY FOR THE LAL JOB IN 2 OR 3 YEARS WHEN JAX IS GONE? YOU ARE JUST SO MUCH SMARTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE

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THE SEGMENT ON WOODY NOT ALLOWING PLAYERS TO EAT TURKEY WAS EMBARRASSING. YOU GOT THE 2 ANNOUNCERS LAUGHING AT HIM AS WELL AS SAGER TELLING OF ALL THE PLAYERS ON THE TEAM IGNORING HIM

THANKS FOR THAT SEGMENT, HOMETOWN TNT.

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Big Ray,

Oh yeah, the officials can DEFINITELY affect the game. They had an affect in the third quarter when Joe when to the basket several times, got cut on the head, and got NO call. It’s no excuse for the team to go totally perimeter with jump shots, but that’s what the Hawks did. Had Woodson stood up for his guys in the first half when they were not getting calls, the momentum of the game may have went a little differently. Who knows?

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LOL @ BIG RAY USING THE WORD “ALL” TO DESCRIBE EVERYTHING I SAYS HE DOES. WAY TO MAKE FALSE GENERALIZATIONS.

I AM GOING OUT FOR THE NIGHT, BUT HAVE FUN BEING THE KING OF THIS BOARD. YOU ARE JUST SO MUCH SUPERIOR TO THE REST OF US. I MISS YOUR WRITING IN GREY–I REALLY DO.

GOD BLESS, BIG RAY

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Jody ,

That’s always hard to tell, but it’s part of what a coach does, or should do. It’s one reason why a guy like Rick Carlisle can only get a team so far. How does a stoic like that motivate his guys? Well, I DID see him get tossed last year, when Dallas came to the ATL to play. I was there, a couple rows behind the Dallas bench (giving ‘em hell, of course).

I think Woody tends to concentrate more on what his players are doing, and I can’t really fault him for that. At the same time, it seems that they are tuning him out for stretches of the game. How does this happen?

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One positive from the game is Teague looked good in his limited minutes! His speed is obvious and he definitely can dish the ball. I think his jumper will come around. Woodson has gotten better overall but Stan clearly used his bench more effectively tonight. I think the HAWKS are closer to being an elite team, than we all think. But if Woodson really believes his team can complete with the best, he’s going to have to learn how to use his bench much more effectively. He made a lot of substitutions in the 3rd and 4th, but they were standard moves. Zaza, Crawford! No Teague, Smith or Collins. It was like he thought the offensive would get better by giving it more time. I got a lot from in terms of his thinking from the interview during the beginning of the 4th quarter. He said nothing about getting the ball inside, he just said they were missing shots! It appears to me that he’s still treating this team like it’s young and full of rookies! Start benching guys until you find someone that’s playing well. Stan made his team get the ball to Howard and found Anthony Johnson on a good night. I’m not saying you will win every night, but it sends the message that if you’re playing well you’re going to keep playing. If you’re not playing well, then wait until next time and play well.

GO HAWKS!!!

GO HAWKS!!!

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JeJe ,

Would I be wrong to suggest that it’s spelled “genius”? Or that it’s spelled “gray”?
I’m not a genius, but thanks for suggesting it. Were it true, I’d be busy making millions instead of being dumb enough to argue with you. That alone is proof enough that I’m nowhere near a genius….

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BIG RAY:

Where’s DRMARYB tonight? I was hopin’ she had put her scroll on.

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RAY:

Fall down funny. LOL

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COY huh ha ha ha. Woodson is a average coach at best. Once again he showed why he is such an average coach. He made no adjustments what so ever. Plan A stopped working so he had no plan B. He just went back to plan A hoping the guys would bring more energy with it. Van Gundy saw what was working and what was not working and made adjustments. Woodson saw what was not working and stuck with it. Bibby was getting owned out there but ol Woodrow didn’t see a need to sit him… Funny how when we were playing well it was because of coaching but as soon as they stunk it up it was because of the players. Funny how that works. What was the purpose of bringing in more size to help defend guys like Dwight if the coach wont even use the players. 6 years into it and ol Woodrow still has the same problems as he had from year 1.

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We need to get Teague minutes. How does he make that impressive lefty layup tonight and not play again? We need to start benching players who suck. For example, if Horford or Marvin suck, why are they in for major minutes tonight? Let Collins or RandMo get some burn. RandMo sucks, but he is a big body and knows Dwight very well. Let Collins, a 2 yr starter in NBA finals vs. Shaq, get some burn.

EXPERIMENT, WOODY. EXPERIMENT.

GOOD NIGHT AJC

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Hey the WIZ have their number – by one.

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Big Ray: If your still here – I know there was a discrepancy in the # of fouls. However, Mr. woodson said himself at the end of the 3rd qtr. that we were taking too may jumpers and needed to go inside in order to get in the bonus. Therein lies the problem: M.woodson knew the problem but had no answers in order to fix it. 2nd half mostly jumpers, no inside game, and no apparent stategy to compensate. Iso Joe – Played right into Orl.’s hand. Double or triple joe but if he did get away
they had a shotblocker to guard the rim.

which brings me to another point; I love Big Al but we need a big to roam the paint and guard the rim. I know I keep harping on this but @ least I’m consistent and saying the same thing I’ve said all along. I’m not jumping off any bandwagon.

It’s been (what?) 5 yrs. now? I know I’m borrowing from someone on this board, and for that I apologize, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting a diferent result each time” (paraphrase). Ladies and gentlemen – there is more to come.

On Teague: we got our fannies spanked anyway…Orl. played a reserve guard…where was he? Come on now, really, learn by watching? Watching what? If he did not play tonight with an injured Bibby, who could not catch an old man, then Mr Woodson has no plans for him long term.

I’m out!

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I wonder where “retard” is derived from?

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I mean, I’m not suggesting anything, I’m just curious….no really….

LOL @ “Michael Zaza Jordan”….now THAT really was funny…

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Richbrave ,

I have to admit, it probably is funny to most of you that I’ve been doing the fan blog going on two years now, and I’m not even from, or living in Atlanta….It’s not hard for me to get up there during time off though. I have been known to make the so-called 4 hour trip in…ahem…well, a good bit less than 4 hours is all I’m going to say….heh heh heh!

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Grandad

November 26th, 2009
11:33 pm
Big Ray: If your still here – I know there was a discrepancy in the # of fouls. However, Mr. woodson said himself at the end of the 3rd qtr. that we were taking too may jumpers and needed to go inside in order to get in the bonus. Therein lies the problem: M.woodson knew the problem but had no answers in order to fix it. 2nd half mostly jumpers, no inside game, and no apparent stategy to compensate. Iso Joe – Played right into Orl.’s hand. Double or triple joe but if he did get away
they had a shotblocker to guard the rim.

which brings me to another point; I love Big Al but we need a big to roam the paint and guard the rim. I know I keep harping on this but @ least I’m consistent and saying the same thing I’ve said all along. I’m not jumping off any bandwagon.

Problem is, there aren’t enough SHAQ’s and HOWARD’s to go around in a thirty team league. Although, SHAQ has evidently been easing over to help out in D.C. by slipping something to one of the the WIZARDS player’s family members. Does that count as a true center?

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Still can’t believe we gave up 17 damn points to Anthony Johnson. That really sucks.

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Dear Woody,

When a team has a dominate big man clogging the middle please lure him away from the basket with some high pick and rolls.. Also please remind joe that he dribbles way too much without attacking the basket…

Thank you,

A very concerned fan

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richbrave:

Is she a family member already or stil whomever’s fiancee? I hear he’s posting her up alright!

Back to the original thought, you may remember, I’m the one who starts all the J.Mc. stuff.

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Ray,

I was mostly talking about noticing the refs while watching a game. I must say that I can work them pretty good on the sidelines. You’d be proud.

I still say that the refs had no outcome on the game tonight. We lost because of all the reasons mentioned above except the refs making bad calls

.Dwight Howard falls into the same category as a Shaq, Duncan, Wilt, Kareem and any dominate center. they get fouled all night long with hardly any calls against the smaller defender.

Sure there were times when JJ and others didn’t get calls. Do you really see the times when the other team doesn’t get calls. Usually not.

I have said all year that the Hawks are much improved and are playing at a high level right now. Tonight the did for a half but they are not an elite team talent wise. We can beat some elite teams but we are not an elite team. When Cleveland hits their open shots, we can’t beat them consistently because we can’t play Shaq or Lebron straight up. Same with LA.

I would say that we are actually somewhere between 4 and 5 overall in the League behind: LA, Cleveland, and Orlando. We are closing in on Boston and may be better than Denver. That’s good IMO.

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Yo Mama didn’t say that.

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**Comes into the blog pissed off and disappointed wanting to vent frustration**
**Sees all hell has broken loose on the blog with various confrontations (whats new??)**
**Thinks about how Anthony Johnson just…..just…..SMDH………ahh F**k it!!**

Good night people.

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The Sixers tomorrow are missing starting point guard Louis Williams and may be missing Elton Brand, which means they will have a rookie combo guard playing point and Sam Dalembert, who in my opinion is in the bottom 10 in the league in basketball IQ, getting extended minutes. Yeah, it’s the second game of a back to back, but after the way they stunk it up in the 2nd half today they really should dominate that game.

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the majic expose a weakness.the hawks cannot play half court against teams that are bigger inside, because they don’t have a low post presence like a shag or dwight howard. they need to run and press bigger teams. the majic slowed the tempo down in the second half and with howard inside they had no one to take up the inside game on offense. the money they gave to pachalia, could have went a big man to score on the likes of a shag or howard.zsa zsa is a waste inside. he can’t rebound unless the ball comes directly to him.he is nailed to the floor,horford is not a legitimate center to defend other teams bigs.sund need to get on this immediately if the hawks are to make the finals.as of now, they need to play a 94ft game against orlando and cleveland. they need to run , trap and press big teams the whole game

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Woody = COY

ROLL TIDE

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HC MW – so old crap!

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Damn Anthony Johnson…

http://crashingtheglass.com/

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Grandad,

Camby is a poor one on one defender. He is only effective as a help defender.

Howard would destroy Camby one on one even without resorting to his elbows, like he did yesterday.

Al is one of the top shot blockers this year. Yesterday he was creamed by the refs on one side and on offense he should have gotten more touches in order to get Howard to pick up some fouls (although I doubt that yesterday refs would have whistled half of them).

For the record, you should be aware that the reason why Gortat is averaging 18 minutes per game is because Howard is frequently in foul trouble.

Yesterday we did not get the calls that would have reduced his impact to the right proportion: a huge physical specimen who has limited skills and that when the refs do their job, is on constant foul trouble.

Howard’s offensive game is a far cry away from what Shaq had with same age even though he also got away with some elbows charges down low.

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Told yall these guys are still losers. PRETENDERS.

The Hawks will NEVER be a legit title contender. Even at their best, they’re a 2nd rate franchise.

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RLP,

I agree with most of your post. I still think that Howard’s star treatment and JJ’s opposite treatment by the refs played a capital role in yesterday’s game, in particular during ORL’s 3rd quarter run.

I don’t question the lack of poise thereafter, however, in between the calls that we did not get (both sides of the court) and a few missed open shots (which still came in either drives or after ball movement), we were mortally wounded during that quarter.

Tonight and Sunday are winnable games which MUST be won in order to re-establish ourselves as a top tier team.

Maybe if we keep this rhythm (if we come out Sunday with a 13-4 record and keep it going like this) we start to get AT LEAST fair calls next time around we meet ORL.

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Everything has been covered already, but how in the hell do you not make adjustments on defense. I could see Woody was trying to get some scoring in the game but how about using your fouls man! You got a couple of big bodies just sitting on the bench use those damn fouls man. You have AJ run past Bibby, put the rook in to try and slow him down.

Woodson always talked about playing defense when your not making shots, well how about subbing for defense when your guys are getting beat.

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I agree on the Teague issue. He deserved more minutes since Bibby was clearly even slower than what he usually already is… Come on… AJ getting to the rim as if he was CP3…

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As many have said before me; the Hawks have gone as far as Woodson can take them.

How does an ENTIRE TEAM decide, all at once, to stop moving on offense, to stop passing the ball, to stop hustling on D.

I’ve never seen anything like it. I am totally dumbfounded.

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One of the biggest impacts of last night’s game will be how the marketplace responds to the embarrassing loss: will they revert to/remain fair weather fans or will there be continuing but limited support?

This is a critical question because of the economy,the ownership group and the future roster. The NBA is a business and right now the model is not looking good in cities like Atlanta where there is enough population-on paper- but for various reasons attendance is not at an optimum level.

The team’s performance over the rest of the season will go a long way in determining the finacial investment ownership can and will make to improve the product on the floor. Look for tweaks now and bigger changes at the end of the season.

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what a horrible performance in the second half. i’d love to see the number of passes made by the hawks in that half. it seemed like there was the inbound to Joe or Bibby or Crawford and then a shot by either them or the next guy they passed the ball to. were there any offensive plays drawn up by woody in the second half besides the Joe 3? would have loved to have seen josh or al take it to dwight inside and at least challenge the guy to play defense rather than let him conserve his energy for offense where he torched us. woody sucks.

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I have to say that based on what I have seen lately (last two games), I am worried.
The Hawks rely heavily on fast break, crashing the offensive boards and hustle-athletic type basketball as their primary source of offense.
Right now the half-court game is awful. Joe Johnson has to stop going one on four. It doesn’t work. the hawks are at their best when they share the ball and the offense runs through at least three or four players before the shot. Last night in the second half they stopped doing what gave them a 14 point lead going into halftime. They are simply not moving the ball. It seems like everything starts and ends with JJ. I can understand if he’s hot, you have to feed him, but he was completely shutdown in the second half.
There is no excuse for not being able to win last night, but poor execution.
I hope that Woody makes the neccesary adjustments.
As far as Josh Smith becoming an all-star, as much talent as he has, it will not happen til he is able to accomplish three things:
1- Become a better free-throw shooter
2- Stops grabbing the rebound and wanting to take it coast to coast. On a fast break, when you have numbers, it’s fine, but when your going through all five of their guys to get off a shot, not so much.
3- He is not taking three’s but ocassionally takes a shot from just inside the three point line, which is just the same. If he wants to be a shooter, work on it during the off-season, like he should of on his free-throws.
Last, what is this stupid play that the Hawks seem to try in all their games? It envolves Bibby and Josh in an alley-oop play with Josh feeding Bibby, who can’t hardly jump anymore and ussually fails miserable. Obviously, Josh should be at the other end of that. I guess some time Josh wants to be the playmaker. He needs to be on the finishing end of it. Thats where he is at his best.
Thats it for now. I’d like to see what you guys think about these points.

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Its very simple. Joe Johnson is consumed with next year’s contract and is hurting the team in close games by insisting on getting his numbers. Coach Woody does not have the instinct to know when to trust his young guys when the starters need a lift. See the contrast of the minutes of the Hawks bence vs Orlando’s . Van Gundy left AJ in because he sensed he had it going while Woody stuck with Bibby and Crawford and a few others when it was clear they did not have it the entire second half. There is no way this team should get blown out on their own floor in such a big game especially aftter four days off. The Hawks will win a lot of games this year on talent alone but when it comes to playing against the elite teams, especially those with dominant centers and elite coaches, the Hawks will look just like they did last night because their leadership is not strong enough to sit guys when they need to sit and play guys when they deserve to play. Its the same old story.

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Yes, of course-

Jason Collins absolutely has what it takes to shut down Dwight Howard, and the Hawks second unit offense should run through Jeff Teague.

So THATS why the Hawks lost. Makes perfect sense…

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vava74:
In that post last evening I only mentioned Camby as an example. He [besides your stated examples] has seen his better days. I’m also not talking about replacing Al. Just someone to enhance his effectiveness. Actually not even a person to guard Dwight, but someone who ‘is’ a help defender to clean up in the middle. As in AJ killing us with clean lay- ups. I’m not necessarily even talking about a starter. enough about that.

n y bizz:
great comments on Teague.

vava74:
Joe has never recieved the star treatment. He must not be a star. I detest dif. rules for dif. players anyway.

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Something that pisses me off that no one talks about is Joe Johnson’s rebounding. 5.5 rebounds in 38 mpg? That is pathetic. He never boxes anyone out. I watch him after shots are taken just standing under the basket. Last night i watched Vince get an easy tip-in because Joe just stood there.

At 6″7 and 240 pounds he should be able to battle some PF’s out there, yet he gets 5.5 boards a game. This number needs to go up for someone his size.

These next 2 games are must-wins.

Woodson, use your bench. Let Teague get a spark. Play Collins. The guy started 2 years in a row in the Finals vs. Shaq & Duncan. I want to see some energy off this bench. Don’t let Marvin play 35 minutes just because he’s 6″9

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Orlando is just way too deep to not go to the Finals this year.

I mean, they got Anderson, AJ, and Bass — players that don’t get big minutes, who can all put up serious numbers when needed. This team doesn’t even need Shard and Vince to score much. This team is just freaking loaded. Did anyone even think during the game that ORL didn’t even have Jameer (an ALL STAR)? Orlando’s 2nd lineup could beat most teams in this league and I mean it.

We have no shot of beating ORL in a series at all. Vince and Shard can hibernate and let Dwight do most of the work, and when teams start hounding him, the Magic have deadly shooters on all cylinders.

We CAN, however, beat Boston and Cleveland.

Kudos to the whole Orlando organization for building such a superb team. Fatigue last night? Yeah right. When you’re 12 deep and have players who know their roles and can hit 3’s from everywhere, you’re going to be this good.

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I would really be worried if Hawks lose again tonight. Really worried.

Woody might have lost this team. If he can’t draw up effective plays for a team he has coached for five years, if he can’t reign in an out of control JJ hell bent on getting a max contract, Woody might have lost this team. And if that is the case, we all see why he has not been extended yet. The next two games are really crucial for Hawks psyche. Hawks cannot afford multiple losing streaks. They just need to share and move the damn ball!

Big Ray,

You crazy, man!

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