Hawks-Hornets
Greetings, all
I’m at the homestead for this one and will be watching on the television as you all will.
Some thoughts and on we go.
Why the Hawks win tonight
1) Marvin Williams has gotten himself in a groove and has an exploitable matchup against Peja Stojakovic.
2) The Hawks asserted themselves as the better team a week ago. Their fourth-quarter run from the last game may linger somewhere in the Hornets’ collective memory.
3) Joe Johnson and Josh Smith played below their capabilities Friday. Bibby’s numbers weren’t outstanding, either. It’s unlikely it happens two nights in a row.
Why they won’t
1) They’re just due. It’s the second game of a back-to-back with a flight in-between. The Hawks haven’t had back-to-backs in the streak except for the start. Further, the Hornets have been home all week and come into the game on a day of rest.
2) Houston took a lot out of the Hawks Friday night. The Rockets are a relentless bunch, as the final three minutes of the game revealed.
3) The Hornets have found something since losing to Portland and the Hawks to open the Jeff Bower era. They’ve beaten the Clippers and Suns since then. They took down 25 offensive rebounds against Phoenix.
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Ken Strickland
November 22nd, 2009
7:37 pm
I MUS WRITE-you’re correct, Teague does look for lanes to drive because he doesn’t have an adequate jumpshot or outside gm. However, JJ has an excellent jumpshot and outside gm, yet we still see him outside pounding the ball looking for driving lanes that aren’t there. At least Teague has enough sense not to hold or hog the ball and run the clock down while looking for openings through double teams.
The blame for JJ’s continued selfish behavior on OFF rests squarely at the feet of HC Mike Woodson. If a HC can’t get JJ, or any player, to become more of a team player and keep the ball moving on OFF, he’s demonstrating his inadequacies and shortcomings as a HC. I doubt if Phil Jackson is any better at certain aspects of coaching than Woodson, but he’s light yrs ahead of him in areas that count most toward building a championship calibur team. He manages players very well, he develops and manages younger players well and he manages his bench well. Most importantly, he gets productions out of players that have limitations by focusing on what they can do rather than what they can’t do. Of all the the things listed above that Woodson isn’t good at, the last one might be his biggest shortcoming. He simply throws away too many players with talent simply because they might not do exactly what he prefers well. PG’s Chris Paul and Toney Parker were poor jumpshooters when they 1st came into the league, but that’s not the case now, and they’re perennial Allstars. I want you Woodson appologist to answer the following question honestly. How many of you think they would have become perennial Allstar calibur players under Woodson’s method of developing young PG’s?
He totally ignored Bibby’s numerous shortcomings, as well as JJ’s, but focused on the shortcomings of SStaudemire, ALaw, SJones and now JTeague and held them accountable because of them. If we lose to Orlando, it will the 1st time so far this season we’ve suffered consecutive losses. It will be interesting to see if he rededicates himself and the team to what got us off to such an outstanding start, or allow the team to continue reverting back to the crap we’ve witnessed the last 2gms.
O'Brien
November 22nd, 2009
7:42 pm
Teague’s mpg average is 9.4. However, it is misleading, because there are some games where he got to play 16-20 minutes. These are some of his minutes from a few games:
0 minutes against Portland
5 minutes against Sacramento
2 minutes against the Knicks
5 minutes against Boston
5 minutes against Portland
3 minutes against Miami
5 miutes against Hornets
I would rather Teague play 10 minutes every game, instead of 20 minutes one game, and then 0 minutes the next game.
anonymous
November 22nd, 2009
7:45 pm
If I were Mr. Woodson, If the hawks did not win I force them to suffer through one of Ken’s Blogs!
Blast
November 22nd, 2009
7:55 pm
Yeah, I think Hawks need to get another true point guard. Imagine if Bibby (listed as day to day) were to go down for an extended period. Teague is not yet ready to run the team and Jamal or Joe hogs the ball too much as point. I think that is one position Hawks are rather thin at.
Orlando: 11-3. Hawks: 11-3. Does TNT have a thanksgiving showdown pending or what? Monster game on Thursday. Winner leads Southeast division!
Glad Hawks can get some rest. Hope Bibby’s ankle is good enough to play. As great as Hornets played last night and as badly as Hawks did, Hawks still gave them a run for their money. NO could not blow Hawks away. Small consolation to hold on to.
Let’s Go Hawks!
Ken Strickland
November 22nd, 2009
7:56 pm
On the subject of a contract extension, I have the following belief. I don’t think Sund will refuse to offer Woodson a new contract, especially if the team does well, and I think it will. However, I think he will make him another 2yr offer, rather than a longterm committment. Woodson still hasn’t demonstrated he has the ability to develop young players and consistently get the most out of a talented team throughout an 82 gm season. He definitely hasn’t demonstrated he has the ability to match strategy and decision making ability with other HC’s of playoff calibur teams.
KevinA
November 22nd, 2009
7:57 pm
Big Ray
November 22nd, 2009
5:57 pm
Outside of Brandon Jennings, which young point guard do we see out there in the league, that could not only keep up with our guys, but take playing time from them?
Didn’t Collins just torch us? Our star guards?
A couple of rookie guards. Thorton/Collison went for 17-29
Our star guards went JJ/Jamal went 14-39
We did lose the assist race, Josh had 7 of our 15 assists
A rookie Collison had 11 on his own with the rest of the NO team chipping in for another 11.
Miss Horford
November 22nd, 2009
8:07 pm
Finally a game to get some of these freaks off the bandwagon. Good to see Marvin come out of his funk. Boys were just tired tonight. We’ll see what they’re made of come Thanksgiving. The break should help Bibby get back. Hopefully Woody will trust JTO more. He does well, he just tries too hard to impress. Play your game…stats will come. We can’t win them all. They looked sluggish against Houston and out of gas in NO. A new day dawns. Hopefully we’ll bring the D and the rebounding in Orlando.
I MUS WRITE
November 22nd, 2009
9:15 pm
Ditto -KevinA….It doesnt matter why or when a guy is playing. Did he show up when the lights came on?
I gaurantee you that Ty Lawson could come in here right now and be just as effective as Bibby….Woodson would be forced to play the guy.
KS- The pounding wont stop thats what JJ does…… I’ve been screaming for ball rotation and quicker moves befroe the double teams for a while. We are who we are,pound it, fire away and an occasional look inside. I see why Smoove takes off when he gets the rebound- he knows the ball isnt coming back….I like his poen court game this year -he seems to be making good decisions.
I MUS WRITE
November 22nd, 2009
9:21 pm
Jeezuz yall must be really bored…… Who really cares when Doc, Woody, or L Frank got hired ,They all started at the beginning of the 04 season My goodness………….Longest tenure- Whoopdy Dam Doo…Its all about the wins. Just ask Popovich or Jerry Sloan
Truth-Serum
November 22nd, 2009
9:22 pm
Josh finishes more breaks than he turns the ball over when he goes coast to coast. He actually does a good job.
Sautee
November 22nd, 2009
9:40 pm
Truth-serum,
Can I co-sign that without actually addressing you as you wished?
I guess not, even if I agree. Good point.
Grandad
November 22nd, 2009
9:54 pm
A sign that the apocalypse is near.
niremetal
November 22nd, 2009
10:04 pm
LOL @ Grandad
RLP
November 22nd, 2009
10:14 pm
One loss and some people return to the negative complaints that have been a constant on this blog.My two cents worth:
The issue of the HC will go on for as long as we have the current HC. From my perspective some of the complaints against him appear to be valid and some do not. I do not think his abilities can be adequately judge after five plus seasons. This season will give us another year to make judgments on him. He is certainly not in the class of Phil Jackson or Jerry Sloan or Pops in San Antonio. But then again how else could we hire that would be? I think Big Ray’s analysis is about right. If I were in Sund’s place I would have done exactly like he has done so far. He has a contract to coach this year and then based on what we learn this year go from there.
Teague is a rookie. As has been pointed out by some bloggers the situation in other places requires rookies to be place. because of necessity. Have some patience. Let’s see how this year goes.
Some of you have rightly pointed out that the Thanksgiving game is a big one for the Hawks. Win and it will be a step up. Lose and the arguments about the Hawks advancement will continue to rage. It is a very big game for the Hawks. But the real key will be how well the team will respond to some adversity. That adversity could come from a losing streak or injuries or just getting into a funk. Let’s see how the team will play its way out of adversity. That will go a long way to telling us exactly how good this team can be.
This year’s team seems to me to be better than last year’s team. Jamal Crawford is a positive over Flip, Acie and Speedy. Joe Smith is an upgrade to the front line with no loses there.Barring major injuries the record should be an improvement over last year. I for one predicted 50-55 wins this year. With the way the team started I was optimistic that my prediction was too conservative. I think the key is road wins. So far so good. But it is a long season.
Ken Strickland
November 22nd, 2009
10:24 pm
DUNWOODYHAWK-You don’t need Allstars to develop an effective bench. The Lakers won the NBA title last yr, and besides LOdom, who on their bench is/was outstanding? The Celtics expected to be in the hunt for another championship this yr and signed RWallace. They also thought enough of SWilliams’ abilities, especially his rebounding, to offer him a contract. The Pacers thought enough to SJones abilities to offer him a nice contract as well. The GM’s of these teams offered them contracts because they saw how they could benefit from what these players can do well. They didn’t focus on what they don’t do well, which is the major flaw with Woodson’s thinking, and seemingly yours as well.
ANONOYMOUS-WHO IN THE HELL IS FORCING YOU?
Has anyone noticed how Smoove’s habit of getting the rebound, and going coast to coast and spending more time on the perimeter taking jumpshots, has increased? Have you also noticed how it seems to coincide with JJ reverting back to the ISO’s and one on one play? And it all seems to coinside with Woodson’s reversion back to his old habit of overplaying his key starters and underplaying his bench.
Acie Law was way better
November 22nd, 2009
10:31 pm
Jeff Teague sucks he CAN’T shoot the ball and he creates too many turnovers.
Acie Law was way better
November 22nd, 2009
10:33 pm
Having Jeff Teague is like Having another Mario West, and that is not a good thing,
Grandad
November 22nd, 2009
11:22 pm
K.S. – Bravo!
A.L.W.W.B. – Who knows how good Acie is or could have been?
Mario West…poor comparison.
Mario most likely would be contributing more than
J.Collins. [no fault of Collins]
I’m sure you won’t respond / [Big Ray rule].
Big Ray
November 23rd, 2009
1:16 am
IMUS ,
Your disdain for our “discussion” on hire dates would have been funnier if you hadn’t been three hours behind the discussion….
Truth Serum ,
The exchange was good. Hope you have a good evening as well. By the way, I was looking for 12 minutes per game for Teague, not ten. Not a huge difference, but it could be over the course of several games, or an entire season.
O’brien ,
Tough question. I’d raise Teague’s minutes if Bibby is out for an extended period of time. However, I’m not willing to bet the farm on it, as the saying goes. Rather, I’ll expect what I figure is inevitable: Crawford will play 35 mpg if this happens…if not more….LOL….I laugh, but we both know it’s true, and we both know why ……
LOL @ Grandad ….and just think, it ain’t even 2012 yet….
KevinA ,
Call me back when Collins and Thornton play like that every night. We gave it to them, they didn’t exactly earn it. I agree they have talent, but I also see them getting valuable PT. Yeah, we let ‘em have their way with us this time.
I’d be more inclined to agree with you if I hadn’t seen the game against them back on November 14th, at OUR place, where we whooped them 121-98. In THAT game, Bibby had 17, Jamal had 21, and Joe had 26. Thornton, Collison, and Brown managed to combine their efforts to match Joe’s output. That’s how THAT went, and how it SHOULD have gone this time, but apparently we had nothing in the gas tank, and were lacking in defensive effort as well.
I maintain my stance on Teague. No rookie pg this year, outside of Jennings or Evans would play more minutes for us than Teague has. I believe that.
Teague isn’t “producing”, but I also am not ready to throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater. And I still wonder just what it is people are expecting him to do in 9.4 mpg, most of which are played with Jamal Crawford on the floor. Gee, is he supposed to be shooting then?
Crashing the Glass
November 23rd, 2009
1:27 am
Those damn iso plays-
http://crashingtheglass.com/
Fritz
November 23rd, 2009
6:35 am
O’Brien’s 7:42 post is dead-on. What is killing JT and has killed just about every young player under Woody’s “tutelage is a complete lack of consistency. Take it from Sheldon Williams’ recent quotes in the Boston Globe:
“I don’t think there was a lot of consistency in my minutes [in Atlanta],’’ Williams said. “When I played significant minutes, I had double-doubles more often than not, especially at the end of the season, when I was getting a lot of minutes. Then, all of a sudden it goes from me playing to me not playing, so I don’t think I was given a fair shot.
“There was no communication there, so I had no idea what exactly they wanted….I never knew what to expect, never knew what was going on.’’
It’s got to be the same with JT. Has no idea if he’s going to play, when he’s going to play, and when he does play there’s no doubt he’s pressing to make the most of the opportunity. He hasn’t been around here enough to know that even if he plays well he won’t see consistency from his coach when it comes to developing young talent.
The only thing consistent about Woody is his habit of overplaying JJ and his over-reliance on iso-Joe. With Woody WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get) and while we’re playing well and have depth this year the reality is that Woody’s not going to get as much out of this team as they are capable of. The consistency in developing role expectations isn’t just lacking for JT but for Joe Smith, and Mo Evans as well.
O'Brien
November 23rd, 2009
7:58 am
Ray,
I dont mind Jamal playing 35 minutes. I just dont want him playing 30 minutes at the PG position.
I dont know about you guys, but after the way Woody talked (glowingly)about Teague in the offseason, and the way Teague played in the preseason, I was thinking this year would be different. I actually thought he would get consistent PT (10-12 minutes EVERY game).
Side note: I love what Rick Adelman has done/is doing. No Yao or TMac, but Rockets are 7-6, after pushing the world champion Lakers to 7 games in the playoffs. How would the Hawks look if we had no Al AND no JJ? (We got demolished by Cleveland in the playoffs, partly due to injuries). I hope Bibby is ready to go against Orlando.
However, the bottom line is Woody and the Hawks are 11-3, and they are exceeding expectations. Just keep winning games, and leave us fans to debate lol. Go Hawks
truly1
November 23rd, 2009
9:03 am
Big Ray Honestly I dont think brandon jenning or t.evans would have gotten more minutes under woody this year. they wouldnt have gotten free will to shoot woody would have taken them out.
truly1
November 23rd, 2009
9:11 am
We are only saying B.Jennings and t.evan is good because we have seen them get consistant minutes and then they produced. You cant produce without minutes.
ILL-logical
November 23rd, 2009
9:20 am
I think that Teague should start against Orlando even if Bibby is “day to day”. The season is not even 1/4 of the way; we don’t need to make the Orlando game bigger than it is: it is an early season game against a division rival.Peroid.
By elevating it to Olympian proportions , the risk is that Woodson will panic and go iso Joe crazy and play Bibby thus reducing his effectiveness for the tough road schedule that follows the Orlando game.
This is an improving team with lots of upside but the goal this year is a better playoff performance and great teams play the season to get ready for the playoffs not to just get in.
doc
November 23rd, 2009
9:46 am
folks at some point woody has to show he is not a one trick pony; i.e., rebound, play defense and iso joe/jamal(flip last year), when things dont go well. now is his chance if bibby is out for extended time.
KevinA
November 23rd, 2009
11:09 am
Al, our unsung hero needs the ball more. Al is our 4th option. Jamal is our second option. This should be reversed.
MAD-DONNA
November 23rd, 2009
11:23 am
Let’s face it people. Woodson is here, because no coach with ANY credentials wants to coach here! The fact of the matter is, we have not had a creditable coach since Lenny. The Hawks play nothing more than pick-up ball. If they can’t run and gun, they will likely lose! Woodson has no clue in developing players. He doesn’t even know how to manage a team! As long as he’s here, the Hawks have no chance of being an elite team!
KevinA
November 23rd, 2009
11:40 am
O’Brien
November 23rd, 2009
7:58 am
Ray,
I dont mind Jamal playing 35 minutes. I just dont want him playing 30 minutes at the PG position.
What happened to the player with great skills that could break down defenses and pass the ball.
Woody: Jamal we need to chat.
Jamal: What about coach.
Woody: you can’t seem to make 3 pt shots and drbble to much.
Jamal: But coach you told me go play my game, thats how I play.
Woody: You were playing much better when I said that.
Jamal: So was JJ, you having a meeting with him?
Woody: We only have one all star on this team who is allowed to miss at that rate and you ain’t it.
Jamal: Promises given and promises taken away. Besides if JJ would pass me the ball when I am open I wouldn’t have to go ISO to get my shots.
Woody: I need to get through to you, we only have one all star on this team who is allowed to miss at that rate and you ain’t it.
Jamal: Seems like a double standard.
Woody: You should have made those shots.
Jamal: So what is it you want me to do?
Woody: Pass to the bigs, JJ won’t do it. Do like Bibby did, take less shots and set up your team mates.
Jamal: There goes that double standard again.
Woody: On second thought you are right, we can win 50 games anyway. Thats good enough for all of us to get resigned. Don’t change a thing, practice those 3’s though.
Jamal: Thanks coach, I’m 19 for 69, if I get up least 10 a game I can turn it around.
Woody: Thats what I’m talking about, a positive attitude.
darrell starks
November 23rd, 2009
11:59 am
KEVIN jamal will be better than bibby at the point i guarantee it.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
Lacsho
November 23rd, 2009
12:06 pm
Doc, you know Woodrow is not going to change his stripes. Some players mature, and now Woodrow is a great coach. Woodrow is Woodrow, and that equates to a panic driven coach. When in doubt Woodrow allows the team to play ISO ball. There’s no reason why Teague shouldn’t have received decent minutes Saturday night. Teague is the new Acie, and that’s how it’s going to be. I don’t understand why they draft point guards, when they know Woody will not play a young pg. He wants veterans, so they should’ve made a trade for a veteran pg.
darrell starks
November 23rd, 2009
12:06 pm
We have the best record in the nba right i no that, but if we would have brought back flip and started jamal at point this team would be even better, but right now i have give it up for bibby, this the best defense he have played thru out his career but can he keep it up only time will tell.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Mychelfromatl
November 23rd, 2009
12:10 pm
Just a few thoughts on Thursday Game Vs Orlando:
*Please let Al and Zaza handle the duties of guarding Dwight Howard ALONE!!! Please no double teaming leaving guys WIDE OPEN at the 3pt line. I would rather for Dwight Howard to score between 25-40pts, than have the Magic going 20 for 25 at the 3pt line.
**Jamal Crawford, if you have another one of those 50pt games in you, Thursday would be a great time to put it on display:)
***FANS BRING EVERY OUNCE OF ENERGY YOU HAVE, I KNOW I WILL!!!!!!!!!
Peace my friends, till Thursday.
niremetal
November 23rd, 2009
12:11 pm
That’s funny, KevinA, except I don’t think Woody has said a word to Jamal about his chucking and ISO plays, just like I bet he hasn’t said a word to JJ about his ISO plays and pounding the ball (and just like he didn’t talk to Flip or Lue when they did the same thing). I think both JJ and Jamal are doing exactly what Woody expects them to do, because Woody’s offensive “system” does not call for them to do anything more.
vava74
November 23rd, 2009
12:13 pm
I am currently reading Bill Simmons’ The Book of Basketball.
Highly entertaining, however, beyond the entertainment, there is chapter (one of the first) where Simmons summarizes a conversation he had with Isaiah Thomas about the secret of winning.
I am considering ordering a copy of the book and have it shipped to JJ with request that he specifically reads the paragraphs about the secret in the locker room…
This would highly educating as well to some of the bloggers that think that a winning team is assembled by adding players and their stats.
richbrave
November 23rd, 2009
12:15 pm
UNIVERSITY of RICHMOND is looking for a few good men, and women in collegiate athletics. ERIC WARD, DAVID GONZOLVEZ, and KEVIN ANDERSON have both been stellar for the school in men’s football and basketball. We’d like some more please. So if anyone knows an academically solid young man or woman who can excel, but is not necessarily doing that yet, contact the U of R athletic department. We bring out the best in young people.
Mychelfromatl
November 23rd, 2009
12:24 pm
Well Hawks and Magics top this week power rankings at 1-2 Link:http://www.nba.com/2009/news/powerrankings/11/23/week4/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1.
There is gonna be ALOT of hype at the Highlight Factory Thursday night. I’m calling it now, Jamal Crawford gonna get 50!!!
Mychelfromatl
November 23rd, 2009
12:32 pm
Also theres a interesting read on Billy Knight on NBA.com and why he deserves another shot with a team.
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/11/16/morning.tip/index.html
And you know what??? He Damn well deserves it. I will continue to SMH at Rick Sund (Not to take anything from what he’s done, but c’mon man) recieving all of the praise for Billy Knight orignal creation. SMDH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mychelfromatl
November 23rd, 2009
12:32 pm
And let’s try that NBA power rankings link over:
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/powerrankings/11/23/week4/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1
Ken Strickland
November 23rd, 2009
12:35 pm
FRITZ-Your 8:35am post was excellent, and very revealing. Shelden’s reference to a lack of communication says it all. I believe SStaudemire said the same thing when he was here. Snatching a young player out of a gm the minute he makes a mistake and berating him in a profanity laced tirade on the sidelines in front of everyone isn’t constructive communication or criticism.
Here’s a list of HC’s who’s teams have participated in the NBA finals over the last 16yrs. Tell me how many of these HC’s called their players to the sidelines and openly berated and cursed them out, especially young players, the way Woodson does? How many have ever been accused by any of their players of poor communication? PRiley, GPopovich, PJackson(Bulls/Lakers), LBrown(76ers/Pistons), RTomjanovich & AJohnson(Rockets), LBird(Pacers), CDaley(Pistons), JSloan(Jazz), BScott(Nets), MBrown(Cavaliers), SVan Gundy & BHill(Magic).
LBrown comes closest to doing that, and he was dealing with AIverson at the time. We’ve all seen what kind of fool he’s been, especially over the last 2yrs. Woodson isn’t a bad HC, he just doesn’t have the communication skills, OFF system, player control, flexibility or the ability to use the in gm strategy that’s needed to become a championship calibur HC. He also lacks the ability and/or willingness to commit to developing the young players it takes to maintain a winning organization, and seems unwilling to seek the help needed to offset his shortcomings. THIS YOUNG AND TALENTED HAWKS TEAM IS FORCING WOODSON TO RAPIDLY APPROACH HIS PETER PRINCIPLE, THAT’S ASSUMING IT HASN’T ALREADY HAPPENED.
Mychelfromatl
November 23rd, 2009
12:49 pm
Also there’s some very interesting facts pertaining the B**ching some of you have been doing about Joe’s minutes. Last week averages were:
1)Dwayne Wade 38.6 Mins Per Game
2)Dirk Nowitzki 38.5 Mins Per Game
3)Kobe Bryant 38.1 Mins Per Game
4)Joe Johnson 37.9 Mins Per Game
5)Lebron James 37.8 Mins Per Game
6)Brandon Roy 36.7 Mins Per Game
7)Camelo Anthony 35.6 Mins Per Game
People Stop You B**tching About Mins Please!! Thanks In Advance!
cp
November 23rd, 2009
12:52 pm
The point about Teague is what I and a few others said about law last season. It has to be hard for a young guy to sit and watch his teammates pound the ball, turn it over, and miss shot after shot and never get yanked but as soon as they make one mistake they are sitting on the bench the rest of the game. I truly don’t understand what people expect Teague to do in 5 minutes one game or 2 minutes one game. If he comes in shooting then people complain about him not passing the ball and just chucking. If he comes in and tries to set up his teammates then its why is he not shooting. If the coach cant give you a role then how can you know what to do when you are out there. I find it crazy how there is no communication between Woodson and some of the younger guys. A player cant improve if they are not allowed to play through their mistakes and if they don’t get consistent minutes. Its apparent though that Woodrow will be Woodrow.
GeeMack
November 23rd, 2009
12:53 pm
Truth & Big Ray gd post.
I’m with you on Woody. I personally think the man has done an outstanding job with the players he’s been given. Has he made some mistakes? Sure. Every coach in the league has.
Ken
I heard you mention coaches like PJax, GPop, JSloan, & Larry Brown. Now Larry Brown I can’t argue, but who did GPop PJax & JSloan develope as players. Oh PJax developed (Kobe Shaq Jordan Pip Gasol Odom & Bynum) GPop (Duncan, Robinson, TP & Manu) never mind GPop tried to JKidd cause he didn’t think TP was what he needed to win a title. JSloan he did really well developing (Malone Stockton DWill Boz, & Okur). Those coached are impressive, but Woody has taken less talent and coached them to being on the verge of serious contenders with 1 2nd level all star on the team that my friend is impressive.
Grandad
November 23rd, 2009
12:56 pm
Best blogging and posting day in a while !
Fritz – Spot on [well said by the "Dookie"].
O’Brien – Adelman=COY
truly 1 – I couldn’t agree more. From yrs. past add CP3, D.Williams
And D. Rose.
Ill logical – Well said, as always.
doc – What do you call a pony that just stands there with his
arms folded?
MAD-DONNA – If you build it they will come.
Lacsho – ‘Panic’… great word…isn’t it odd that the Hawks are # 1
and he is panic stricken. Bless his heart, the man seems to
have no self-confidence.
niremetal – Agreed. The man does not communicate, period.
(re/S.Williams/Fritz@/6:35AM)
***AND NOW ‘KevinA’ – That may be the funniest post I have ever read!
GeeMack
November 23rd, 2009
12:59 pm
Mychelfromatl
Great post.
Stars play ball. This aint Boston where the average age is late 30s. This is Atl were the average age is mid 20s. That’s a young team if those guys complain about playing 2 many miniutes and are not playing in June ship them out of here.
Daniel
November 23rd, 2009
1:34 pm
GeeMack- your 12:53 post is right on the money.
Let’s see we lost a game on a road back to back after a tough overtime win with a seven game win streak, and people complain about the coach?!?!!
If only Teague plays more minutes and Woodson were nicer to him then everything would be perfect, according to some. Give me a break.
Once again, Teague is still averaging 10 minutes a game, so quit pretending that it is less. Second, no one on here knows what Woody is telling Teague on the sidelines. My seats are about 5 rows behind the bench, and I have no idea. If you are going to complain about an 11-3 team, at least have the facts right.
GeeMack
November 23rd, 2009
2:51 pm
Daniel
What up Daniel? Thx.
I’m really trying to understand why we give other coaches props for their teams & players improvement, but when it comes to Woody; the answer is the growth was organic or the players did it on their own.
I just don’t understand that logic.
Sautee
November 23rd, 2009
3:00 pm
I’d like to see Jason Collins get 10-15 min. against Howard on Thursday. Probably won’t happen, but I’d like to see him use his 6 fouls and make DH earn it from the line.
Daniel
November 23rd, 2009
3:01 pm
The logic is… I have a position (i.e. Woodson doesn’t develop players) so I make any and every situation fit that position, even if the facts don’t back it up. It is called being dogmatic. Then you throw in a dash of over reaction with a strong pinch of “I gotta have something to say that makes it seem like I know something about the team, even though I am just parroting arguments from 18 months ago” and you have the majority of these takes.
there are many here who do know basketball and the Hawks… so that comment was not directed at you. If you felt like that comment fits you, well then…. shoe fits ya know.
Daniel
November 23rd, 2009
3:09 pm
Sautee,
If we don’t see Collins against Howard, then what is the point of having him. Ok, let’s say Horford and Za are tearing it up, I wouldn’t bring in Collins. But, dang the guy is here just to at least bang on the guy a little bit. He looks really out of shape to me though. Is he going to be another Lorenzen Wright?