Whaddya know?

Greetings, all-

Hope you are well. As things sometimes go in my life, I was just about to post a new blog but I was messing around with it and it all disappeared. That’s how I roll. So this will probably be not quite as in-depth. Trust me, it was awesome. (I am being cynical.)

Anyway, I’ll give you some links and invite you to join in a contest.

Links

1) Sekou has started at nba.com and has his blog up.

2) nba.com’s new power rankings are up. The Hawks are in the top slot. For some of you guys who’ve been around, that must qualify as mind-boggling.

3) nba.com’s David Aldridge caught up with Billy Knight. Knight looks back on the Marvin Williams over Chris Paul draft – “Sure, if you had taken one of those guys, there could have been a whole domino effect of things that happened. But that’s not what happened.” – and gives his take on the Joe Johnson trade.

4) Interesting story in the Oregonian about Brandon Roy and Joe Johnson. (One matchup to watch, obviously. Another is Greg Oden-Al Horford. Somewhat interestingly, the last time the two faced off in Atlanta was in the 2007 NCAA championship at the Georgia Dome, a game I happened to cover.)

The contest

I’m guessing most of you didn’t see the Hawks’ 8-2 start coming. So that got me thinking, what happens over the next 10 games? Here are the rules. Guess the team’s record over the next 10 (10 points), predict each game (one point each) and offer a prediction on something that happens over that span (1-10 points, to be judged by me on creativity and probability of occurence. For example, “Joe Johnson will lead the team in scoring at least once” is a 1. “Jeff Teague will average a triple-double” is a 10. Actually, if you make that prediction and it comes to pass, you’ll win the contest outright and Rick Sund may come calling for you.)

I reserve the right to decide that only entrants who pick the record accurate can win, depending on how busy/not excited about tabulating scores I am. Not sure what the prize will be, but I’ll try to come up with something good.

(Entering multiple times under different screen names is not cool and not sporting.)

Deadline is tipoff of tonight’s game.

Good luck to ya.

497 comments Add your comment

O'Brien

November 17th, 2009
6:45 pm

In my head, I can see JJ going to Cleveland to play with King James, where JJ can be his Robin. (Shaq and Big Z come off the books, and Delonte West has issues. And Cleveland will spend the money to please LeBron).

That being said, if the Hawks continue to play well in the regular season and playoffs, JJ might be ok staying with the Hawks, as long as the money is close.

Ken Strickland

November 17th, 2009
6:55 pm

GEEMACK-We’re 11gms into our 3rd season with the same starting frontline, plus Zaza. Prior to the start of this season, there’s absolutely no way on this earth that Woodson, or anyone else for that matter, could have foreseen the same starting frontline becoming so much more dominant on the boards than in previous yrs. ABSOLUTELY NO WAY! And there’s no way Woodson completely changed his entire OFF approach, and the style of play he’s staunchly embraced for the past 5yrs, based on him forseeing this frontline suddenly becoming so dominant on the boards.

As much as anything else, I think the additions of JCrawford and JTeague, and recognizing the style of play that best suits them, had a lot to do with the change. I’m certain that wasn’t the only reason, but it was one of several likely deciding factors.

Also, you don’t have to dominate the boards to be a successful fastbreaking uptempo team. The lack of rebounding dominance just prevents you from running as much, but it certainly doesn’t prevent you from running. Certainly no one will say the Phoenix Suns are, or have been, a dominant rebounding team, and their entire OFF philosophy is based on being a fastbreaking uptempo OFF. The decision to employ a fastbreaking uptempo OFF is based primarily on a decision, rather than a circumstance.

KEVINA-I knew Crawford wasn’t necessarily a bad DEF player. I remember a player that once played for Don Nelson who was considered a good OFF player, but not much on DEF. Now he’s known more for his DEF than his OFF, and his name is Raja Bell.

Ken Strickland

November 17th, 2009
7:18 pm

It looks like Orlando’s PG JNelson will be out 4-6wks. I said during the off season that the top 3 Eastern teams would be more suceptable to injuries than the Hawks. They made a serious mistake letting RAlston go, with the of Nelson coming off a serious injury. Also, adding the injury prone VCarter didn’t make it any better. Shaq has proven to be injury prone as well. We’ve already seen the effect that last yrs injury is having on KGarnett.

I said it this off season and I’ll say it again, WE WILL BATTLE FOR THE #2 SEED IN THE EAST, assuming every team remains relatively healthy. We’ve already seen Orlando have trouble with injuries to PG JNelson and SG VCarter after only 10gms. Does anyone else see DHoward as a bigger, taller, stronger clone of our own AHorford?

Dan

November 17th, 2009
7:40 pm

It took me a day to find out that Ken was talking about me being the early leader :D

Big Ump

November 17th, 2009
8:21 pm

Gee Mack That’s why Woody tried to keep his core group together and build on what he have. Although you can’t tell what the future hold for you and that go for predicting what a new player can do for you who have never played 1 game yet. Most good coaches always plan ahead, even though it may not worked out that way. You would be foolish if you didn’t have some kind of plan. Any team no matter what sports it is always build and plan for the future. I know you heard coaches say they building for the future. We all know that the Hawks had a plan and stayed with it. We have a pretty good team and a decent HC. I”m so proud of them. Matter of fact I was talking with one of my close friend this evening who is one of the 50 NBA Great and he basically said the same thing I was talking to you about earlier today.

richbrave

November 17th, 2009
8:47 pm

KEN STRICKLAND:

Hard to recognize names here. So many older ones gone, and so many new ones on the board. Whad’up coach? Where have BIG RAY and DOC gone? ANDO and the FLASH. You and T.BARRON fill me in. And how’s Dr. MARY B’s fab four doin’? #1 in the NBA, yes-s. No FIRE WOODY posts. And the SASG furor has disappeared. Is SUND so good that BILLY KNIGHT has been made to look so bad?

richbrave

November 17th, 2009
8:49 pm

Are they all off a-twittering with the playa’s?

richbrave

November 17th, 2009
8:55 pm

I dived back a day in the post column and there was CLYDE sayin’ how badly the HAWKS were gonna’ fall on their faces. Some things never change. And some post moves by NAJAH D. You go my man. Say guys, now that you’ve moved to front-page NBA news, aren’t you becoming bored with so LITTLE to complain about? How about following the AGENT ZERO saga with me up here in RICHMOND. BTW, RICHMOND waxed VMI last night 103-59. The WIZ could sure pick up some great pointers on how to run the PRINCETON offense from the SPIDERS.

richbrave

November 17th, 2009
8:58 pm

KEN STRICK:

To my mind, BIG AL is the best of DMARY B’s playa’s. He just won’t stomach poor play and everyone follows his lead. Or so it seems from this distance. I only see the HAWKS on occasion. Do those of you who follow the HAWKS regularly agree, or not?

Blast

November 17th, 2009
9:02 pm

Hawks are balling, man! Go Hawks, Go!

All the issues being talked about tonight are irrelevant. Let’s bask in Hawks early success and appreciate. This team is on to something extra special!!!!!!!!!

They continue to play like this, Woody will get his extension for sure!

Hawks gonna beat Heat tomorrow. Hawks ain’t the same team as last season. Josh ain’t the same player as last year. Hawks gonna kick some major butt this year!!!!!!!! Let’s go, Hawks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

richbrave

November 17th, 2009
9:15 pm

So blast, what’s your take on HORFORD being the leader of the pack on this team?

Ken Strickland

November 17th, 2009
9:23 pm

RICHBRAVE-ANDO & FLASH occasionally make cameo appearances, DOC lingers around, but has reduced his comentary, BIG RAY is alive and well and doing his thing, and MARY B. seems to have disappeared. We have attracted a particularly vile, ignorant and disturbed individual(s) to the blog recently, so be on the alert.

Everyone is excited about how the Hawks are playing and winning gms in ways completely unlike in the past. We seem to be playing it close with the lessor teams, but winning, while dominating most of the better teams. Even with Marvin not playing up to his potential, or former level, our so called undersized frontline has suddenly started to dominate much bigger and taller frontlines.

The thing that makes this yrs team and its start so different is the way we’re winning. We’re winning with Marvin playing poorly, Bibby playing and scoring less and with Zaza playing less. We defeated Portland in our 1st meeting with Crawford having an outstanding gm, and we defeated them last night with Crawford having a subpar gm. We’ve won some gms with excellent OFF, some with excellent DEF, some with both, and we’re winning some by dominating the OFF and DEF boards, especially the OFF boards.

If we keep playing and winning like we have the 1st 11gms, and barring serious injury, we won’t be fighting for a position and/or recognition in the Eastern conference, but rather the entire league.

You know who this is Mother F_cker

November 17th, 2009
9:59 pm

“Prior to the start of this season, there’s absolutely no way on this earth that Woodson, or anyone else for that matter, could have foreseen the same starting frontline becoming so much more dominant on the boards than in previous yrs”

Have you looked inside the man’s mind? How do you know what he’s thinking? Speak for yourself. Say, Ken did not know that this team would be a decent rebounding team. Don’t limit everyone else because you are limited in what you see and understand.

“And there’s no way Woodson completely changed his entire OFF approach, and the style of play he’s staunchly embraced for the past 5yrs,”

Why in the hell would he, he has sold Sund on getting him the tools to work with and advance his options on offense. No, he hasn’t changed at all, he just has more options now and it allows him to do more things. You don’t know him that well, you can only offer your opinion, unless Woodson said, gee, Ken Strickland, I’m so dumb. I did not think that these boys would become young men and be more wise and athletic. If I had known that I would have been patience and taught them how to play the pro game. Gee, I’m dumb. Would you coach for me please ken?”

I don’t believe he said that to you. I believe he expected his boys would get better and mature and develop a man’s body. I also think he expects them to get even better in another two years and I think he hopes he will have all the pieces to maximize his options. That what any coach hopes for and expects. It’s called coaching. Don’t reduce him to your level of thinking. Just say you never expected.

This team is confident, unified, talented, hungry and well coached. That’s why they are winning.

Every farmer that sows seeds , expects growth, and expects a day of harvest.

E.CHARLES

November 17th, 2009
10:02 pm

What happened to Sekou Smith? Has he left AJC?

Grandad

November 17th, 2009
10:14 pm

Big Ump – ‘GeeMack’, had a great point, when he mentioned >REBOUNDING.
You can’t run without the ball. I just feel like Woody is more comfortable in a half ct. game. Regardless, you are absotively correct,
these Hawks are built to run.

To whomever: `Matty Ice` is gonna be okay !

You know who this is Mother F_cker

November 17th, 2009
10:15 pm

To hell with Mattie lice!

You know who this is Mother F_cker

November 17th, 2009
10:17 pm

And take punk azzse Richt with him!

Grandad

November 17th, 2009
10:27 pm

richbrave: I’m one of the new one’s. At 9:59 – that was “Sybil” –
the one Ken warned you about.

doc

November 17th, 2009
10:28 pm

samuel, irony is after you trash acie for so long and tout monta, both have possibly met the same fate, nellie land as monta is readied to be shipped soon it seems.

richie, got to see the guys last night. really impressed they played so poorly, didnt have it as they threw up air balls, gave up easy baskets and somehow won in ot.

how are your wiz doing?

RLP

November 17th, 2009
11:13 pm

KevinA:

Your analysis at 5:06 sounded good but I think your figures failed to consider assists based on playing time. I have not tried to do the analysis but I would bet that if you you added assists per minutes played you would reach a different perspective.

Traceman:

I loved you 5:39 posting. We all need to watch our euphoria because it is a long season but isn’t it nice to start the season playing like we are now. I also agree that Bibby represents the present but JTO has a bright future if he develops his talent.

doc

November 17th, 2009
11:28 pm

ken, an interesting article showed up on si.com on bill walton and his retirement. i borrow from it the last paragraph that kind of says a lot for the many that come here to shop their talk at the liars table:

“Looking back now, the whole 25-minute interview was so outlandish and ideal for my (sarcastic) purposes that, like Bill’s on-air persona, I remain unsure whether it was merely an act. But maybe, in the end, it didn’t matter. Maybe that last quote — the one about “your lunch, your life, your choice” — gets at the core of Walton’s appeal. As emphatic as he was, as declarative as he was, it never felt like Walton was trying to convince us that he was right. Instead, he saw himself as starting a conversation, as being the eternal devil’s advocate. So many analysts seem as if they’re dead-set on trying to convert us to their point of view, and affect scorn if anyone dares question their authority. For these men, their certitude is born of expertise but may also be rooted in insecurity, a feeling that they have to be right. Not Walton. All along, he assumed that we as viewers would arrive at our own convictions in the end. He was just there to spur us along.”

i guess what struck me is the part about either being a confident devil’s advocate stimulating discussion or being the insecure trying to convince others there is one way to think and one way only. i am hardly suggesting you fall into the latter category. i admire your efforts to at least describe and articulate what you mean in discourse. i certainly dont come close to admiring the silly slanderous tribe that comes to haunt you. i choose to ignore them knowing they will either grow up and assume another name knowing they are cowards otherwise or go away. though maybe intelligent they are not kind hearted individuals or even gentleman of the order that you are but really the sad sadistic types that hide and lurk in shadows of their own minds and it is their own minds. i also know part of your health journey and you are overjoyed you can still articulate and take every chance to do so. keep singing bro but know when to engage and know when to let go and surrender. there is more power to the latter than you can ever believe. remember, it is about the hawks that we love dearly and have begun to take flight, woody included and that is all it is. peace my friend.

doc

November 17th, 2009
11:31 pm

hate to throw this out there and interrupt the love for jt0; especially after the hype earlier n the preseason, i was not blown away by him last night as he reminded me a lot of how acie looked at times, out of synch and touch with the game like he was searching. again a very brief look and my first in person, look out.

Ken Strickland

November 18th, 2009
1:06 am

Big gm tonight against the Heat, who lost at home to the Thunder. The matchup between Smoove and Beasley will be interesting.

Clyde

November 18th, 2009
2:18 am

And just to clear things up I wanted Noah or Conley instead of Horford. Noah might be an All-star this year at the center position. I wanted to draft Sean Williams instead of Law to improve our depth on the frontline which proved to be our downfall in the playoffs.

FIRE WOODY

honest_abe

November 18th, 2009
2:39 am

i’d have to say the horford pick turned out better than ok.

not to be pessimistic but whats the odds this team keeps up this winning pace?

we all knew josh could be a monster on the glass if he just expended some consistent effort what i didn’t expect was how efficient he could be offensively minus the 3 pointers. i’d say he’s hell on his way toward both of his goals for this year.

i criticize woody all the time but have to give him some props for the hot start.

Ken Strickland

November 18th, 2009
3:10 am

HONEST ABE-The Hawks can keep up a consistent winning pace, maybe not on par with our current winning pace, if they tighten up the DEF end and continue to run, and attack the basket. There isn’t another NBA team that can match our combination of speed, quickness, athleticm, versatility and depth. Everybody keeps saying we need a superstar, even the so called experts, but the Pistons have done pretty darn good over the last several yrs without one.

Didn’t the so called experts rate the Spurs as the team that improved the most based on their off season acquisitions? How are they doing so far? They also rated the Magic, Celtics and Cavaliers much improved based on their off season acquisitions. But the Hawks got no consideration, and in fact questions were raised about how Crawford would fit in. They even made an issue of his defensive ability, like VCarter was some kind of DEF stallworth.

I remember when Philly made it known they wanted to get rid of AIverson, and a lot of Iverson fanatics had heated discussions about the Hawks needing to acquire him. Well, how many of you Iverson fanatics feel that way now, considering he’s now available?

honest_abe

November 18th, 2009
3:48 am

ask samuel that question.

Samuel

November 18th, 2009
6:43 am

How about this question. Why the hell are two “grown as_” men up at 3-4 in the morning yappin about nothing.

You know who this is Mother F_cker

November 18th, 2009
6:59 am

I agree that the press has by and large snubbed the Hawks over the years. I cant say that it hasn’t been merited. We’ve had so many draft bust, so many coaches who are now out of the NBA, trades that made no since and signings that gave up mega bucks for players who spent their remaining career with the hawks in dress cloths.

Most experts like to see a pattern of growth, not just during the regular season but in the post season as well. Until this Mike Woodson era, the Hawks franchise have been inconsistent and lottery pursuers. You’d have to go back to the Dominique, Spudd, Rivers,Rollins era to see a team that was truly competitive in “Hawks history”.

Yes, there are many who say the Hawks need a superstar but even more say the Hawks need a center. The rational here is not to be overlooked. In the higher levels of the NBA playoff the game slows down and changes dynamics. It becomes a half court game. Only teams that can go inside and then outside can compete.

Its fun and exciting to “Run-and-Gun”,through the season, but invariably the game brakes down to half court and the run and gun is nullified, and the in/out game takes over.

What the Hawks posse more than any team in the NBA, is a stable of young fast athletic cheetah’s who are precise and deadly shooters. There aren’t many teams who can match the Hawks in depth with this type of speed game.

I think this will help the Hawks get an excellent seed for the playoffs, but (BUT), the championship rounds of the playoffs is a different experience and you need an in/out game, which is usually a center.

Dont turn hater here, just understand the point.

Horford is a nice athlete and can run and slant very well. The championship rounds are not going to allow him to attack the rim on fast breaks. He will have to play the territorial game with his back to the basket and endure wave after wave of big men attacking him in the paint and forcing him off the block. The low block will become UFC and a war of attrition will ensue. Last year when this pace began Horford almost ripped an ankle out of socket. Factor in that this is the beginning of the season and the birds are fresh, running and gunning. I hope we are as fresh after 82 games the intensity of the playoff, and make it to the championship round.

My hope is our depth is sound enough to keep us fresher than the competition. Thats why I agree with Ken on getting Teague as much time as is possible, but clearly he was wrong in advocatingTeague starts over Bibby.

Every one knows that the Hawks are a playoff team, no doubt, were not seeking up on anyone. The consensus has been that we don’t have the center to play the half court game of the later rounds of championship play. That why the recent ESPN telecast mention” The hawks aren’t fooling anyone, Horford is a power forward”. They operate on the supposition that you wont win the championship with out the center to control and patrol the paint.

Truth-Serum

November 18th, 2009
7:01 am

Samuel its my job to be the funny man here but I must say you got me LOL. Thats funny as sh!t.

honest_abe

November 18th, 2009
7:04 am

i’m in korea … but ya back to that ai question…

honest_abe

November 18th, 2009
7:06 am

knowing sam’s incredibly high iq i probably should’ve mentioned that korea’s 12 hours ahead.

honest_abe

November 18th, 2009
7:09 am

last thing…

clyde: sean williams is avging 11 minutes for the worst team in the nba. chew on that for a minute.

You know who this is Mother F_cker

November 18th, 2009
7:27 am

Doc, I’m not going to argue with you over your point of view. You are entitled to it. Is OK if you see me in such a way. You are clearly very sensitive and loyal. I don’t know you or wish to. My experience in life has brought me to different conclusion .I may not be as soft as you(I wasn’t raise that way) or as assuming as your addressee. I’m a native atlantian but I grew up in Los Angeles during the 80’s. Out there being soft gets you dead.

Ill say this for Ken, although I think Samuel spoke well at 6.43, he wants very much to be respected as a leader and a knowledgeable basketball person. The in your face sh!t talking I do on this site Is the same things they do on the courts of the NBA, college and high school games. Its toughness. If you cant stand the heat…get out of the kitchen.

I have no problem being nice to Ken. I’m sure he means well. I also have no problem taking advantage of the weakness in his game.

Dont hate the player, hate the game.

You know who this is Mother F_cker

November 18th, 2009
7:30 am

trades that made no since (*correction, trades that made no sense).

Hawks the Herald Angels Sing

November 18th, 2009
7:37 am

9-1

Lose to Orlando

Horford grabs 20 rebounds in 2 of these games

You know who this is Mother F_cker

November 18th, 2009
7:38 am

Horford, the new Dennis Rodman

Daniel

November 18th, 2009
8:32 am

I love Rodman, but his game is nothing like Al’s.

doc

November 18th, 2009
8:34 am

you know, it is an excuse to use your past to be a hater, especially if you see what it is. if anything if someone goes back and plays your “reiteration game” and copies everything you put out here maybe you could see how close to the sewer you are when it comes to hate in your “game”. maybe hate is too strong a word but maybe venom and obsession fits better. you can have your anger and maybe you are reading me a little softer than i am. i just dont need the anger and will speak to what i see. i respect a lot of your comments and basketball talk, the personal stuff detracts from anything you say as folks will simply scroll by you just as i will going forward if that is your ONLY game.

just saying, if you want to talk basketball then talk it. if you want to be crazy and go after folks then you might find folks just become quiet and you type to the air, you will be lost in the crowd though putting more typed words on this blog as you copy and paste like a mad man. you are entitled to your choice as it is in every moment as to how you respond ….just no BS excuses about the past as some kind of a badge of courage. yes, again you are entitled to your way, again your choice and uh, your play.

Daniel

November 18th, 2009
8:42 am

Grandad, ok, you stepped up, props. GeeMack way to tell the truth (I expect nothing less from you)

Clyde- you mean that 11 games and the power rankings are meaningless come April? Wow, I had no idea? Here I was thinking that this week was the playoffs and not early in the season. I am so thankful to have someone to point those facts out to me. I might have gone on rooting for my team who continues to play extremely well. I even might have thought that given a tough road trip and a win in Boston were reason to believe in my team. Thank you for your analysis. It is so thoughtful and intelligent. I really had no idea that the schedule was 82 games long.

Seriously, you have every right to your opinion about the team and the coach. But, you are in absolutely no position to tell me how I should feel. By your rationale, we should only talk about the Hawks when they are in the championship. What is the point of talking about the moves in the off season? Doesn’t mean anything come April right? So, unless you have something more to offer than being condescending with your “facts” that are overly obvious and rudimentary, please just stick to your FIRE WOODY posts.

Daniel

November 18th, 2009
8:47 am

YKWTMFI- If you really think that “sh*t talking” makes you hard and people who don’t “soft”, you really are stuck in the 80’s. It really makes you annoying and less credible.

GeeMack

November 18th, 2009
9:07 am

Traceman

I am thinking if we pay a guy max money we need pay someone that can take us over the hump to a championship. Is JJ that guy? The moves we make the next offseason should be moves that make us a legit title contender.

Ken

I think this is where we disagree. I’ve seen this team go on win streaks before and they all had the common thread rebound, play solid D, and run. You are correct Phx. was never dominate on the boards, but they have always been an excellent rebounding team which allows them to run. It’s not the dominace on the boards that’s allowed to be effective running, but they fact that they play hard, out hustle the other team, and you and I know Woody has preached that from day one.

Also like you said improved personnel is major contributing factor in the style of play.

I still think we need a superstar to win a title. Remeber this is November there is still a long way to go. Det. has done well but there is a reason SA & LA have won 6 of the last 9 titles TD, KB24, & Shaq.

Joe Mama

November 18th, 2009
9:23 am

Its exactly like horford’s they are both rebounding powerforwards who can get out on a break and make garbage baskets, They where very close to the same physical size and weight.

Yea one thing joe johnson has preached about is being too soft. To many b!tches and b!tching. Just play baby. Quit whining about getting your feelings hurt. Lets see your Azz perform under pressure.
Real men understand what being too soft is about. No bodys going to give your sweet polite azz nothing. Go hunting and get it like a man. Thats what separate these hawks from the rest of the pack. These dogs will hunt.

Yea, this game, or the real world for that matter, may not be for the faint of heart. let me get your punk azs some milk and donuts.

Joe Mama

November 18th, 2009
9:26 am

*They are comparative in size and weight

you now who this is mother f_cker

November 18th, 2009
9:28 am

Daniel, backing it up does b!tch.

you now who this is mother f_cker

November 18th, 2009
9:33 am

doc weve said our peace. youve expressed your opinion and i mine You gave me no disrespect and you got none in return. We see some things differently.

Good luck to you. Have a nice day

Undisputed Champ!

November 18th, 2009
9:50 am

I dont care for the whining weak bitchy type myself. To much bitching for me.

We're not fooled

November 18th, 2009
9:58 am

the same person who said this:

“Real men understand what being too soft is about. No bodys going to give your sweet polite azz nothing. Go hunting and get it like a man. Thats what separate these hawks from the rest of the pack. These dogs will hunt.”

“Yea, this game, or the real world for that matter, may not be for the faint of heart. let me get your punk azs some milk and donuts.”

also said this:

“doc weve said our peace. youve expressed your opinion and i mine You gave me no disrespect and you got none in return. We see some things differently.”

Got none in return…. yeah, right. Lying Hypocrite!

doc

November 18th, 2009
10:04 am

you now, cool. time to scroll on both parts, have a nice life.

Joe Johnson

November 18th, 2009
10:06 am

“were to soft and bitchy on this blog site. Ho’s step your bitchazz game up, get your facts straight, and your statistics in order before you bring a weak, emotion led, regurgitation of opinions crusading as facts to the court of this blog-o-sphere. Quit whining when truth prevails. Strengthen your game girls. You cant bring a weak game to a strong mind, Ho’s.