Hornets vs. Hawks
Okay, here’s your game blog, folks.
Nothing too significant from pre-game stuff that I heard. Sorry I can’t write more; I gotta crank out some stuff before tipoff.
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Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
10:27 pm
hope to see some consistency from them, and 10 games is not all that good a sample size, when it’s the FIRST ten games.? What about 5 years of constant growth…would that qualify as consistant or am I wasting my time?
ant banks
November 15th, 2009
10:28 pm
why in the hell are y’all psycho-analyzin’ ken? WTF? this is a Hawks blog, not a KEN blog. he is jus’ one individual who states his opinion. i like the fact that he believes what he believes and sticks to it. not jump on and off the bandwagon based on wins/losses.
dude doesn’t like woodson style, which i myself have some concerns with. CLYDE is fervent in his love for ‘BAMA and “FIRE WOODY!” i jus’ don’t think that it is appropriate now with us leadin’ the division and havin’ beat boston in boston. if we were 2-8, then “FIRE WOODY!” would be appropriate.
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
10:28 pm
You are wrong. I dont have conversations with him about Woodson.
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
10:29 pm
There is a reason this site is dubbed ” Bubba Crew”
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
10:30 pm
*DING*
Grandad
November 15th, 2009
10:31 pm
My Joe Johnson theory:
He mysteriously signed wi. us leaving Phx. saying “he wanted to be the man”, also “he wanted to play pt. guard. Okay fine.What if he and or his agent cooked up a plan which would enhance his value for his 2010 contract. He could have made similar money and played on a better team in Phx. but he [agent] knew that playing 3rd or 4th fiddle would not parlay his next contract. So he picks a willing team [Atl] and comes here knowing he will be the best player in town with a promise to build around ‘Him’. he bumps up his stats makes the all-star team ea. yr. and here we are. Voila, MAX CONTRACT BABY. Uh Oh, enter Jamal crawford…
Now wait a minute here, I didn’t sign on for this. Jamal is looking too good. jamal is distributing the ball to our talented young bigs. Same thing wi. Teager [pre-season]. Whoa now, this team does not know their roles. Meaning who, Jamal? Are Josh and Al not supposed to expand their
roles? Don’t get me wrong; I think Joe is one of the top 20/25 players in the league. Is he worthy of a max deal? No. I disagree with K.S. on one pt. concerning J.Crawford replacing Joe. He [JC] is not an elite defender as is Joe. If my theory has merit, do I blame Joe for coming here? No. If he is showing no loyalty to the franchise that helped make his career, not to mention, his mates. Then, yes, that bothers me. Joe does seem to be acting different this yr. Maybe I’m nitpicking. If he really is cavorting with the enemy [Miami] then deal him NOW. Package him to N.O. for a real superstar. I read where CP3 had to arrange for a multitude of tickets for the ATL. game, family and friends. I’m not trying to rock the boat on what is a promising season. Just weighing in on all the Joe [cont.] talk. Just sayin’
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
10:32 pm
Ray for clarification, I bemuse and belittle Ken.
Ken has an obsession with Woodson. Ill bet that he cant have a week of blogging with out his obsession.
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
10:33 pm
Truth Serum ,
Look at the stuff you write, my man. Seriously, do that. I’m not banging on ya, you know that. I hear you, tired of Ken talking down on Woody. You say that’s all he talks about. Well my friend, nearly all you talk about is Ken. Do you see where I’m going? One obsession looks like another to some people. Again, I’m coming to you straight up. I’m not hatin’, and I’m not telling you what to do. But it seems that you are letting somebody else’s opinion (no matter how steady) ruin it for you. Talk Hawks, baby! Don’t let noise bug you! It’s all good, trust me.
We can agree to disagree on methods, technicalities, and all the little things. I don’t agree with all that Woody does, but I’ll be the first to admit I don’t coach basketball, and the man is getting the damn job done. The way things are going now, I might have to just buy the man some new turtle wax for that chrome dome of his,
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
10:35 pm
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
10:23 pm
Truth Serum ,
I see your point. I really do. It IS disingenuous to say the Hawks are a great team, but the coach sucks. He has to be doing something right for them to be a great team.
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
10:35 pm
You did not answer my question.How can you say the soup is good but the chef did a bad job? The building is great but the architect is an idiot? The Hawks are great but Woodson is a fool?
I did too answer it. I told you that was folly. If the team is good, then that is a reflection of the coach as well. Did I not say that?
Anyway, I was just hoping you and Ken could come to some agreement at some point, or at least spend less time hating each other.
But hey, this is no Miss America pageant, and nobody is rooting for world peace either!
Ant Banks ,
Agreed, bro.
KevinA
November 15th, 2009
10:41 pm
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
8:48 pm
I don’t think there is any reason to doubt that JJ is a coveted player. Now, shall we take the next step in thinking? What will Sund do if faced with the very real prospect that JJ may leave?
You start Jamal and sign Chills. Then figure out what to do with the millions you just saved. Don’t forget Evans.
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
10:46 pm
KevinA the funny thing is, it doesnt have to come to this. Give the man a fair contract, sign his favorite coach and let keep going up. Just that simple.
KevinA
November 15th, 2009
10:47 pm
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
You did not answer my question.How can you say the soup is good but the chef did a bad job? The building is great but the architect is an idiot?
Let me take that one on. America is a great building and Bush painted the white house red and stole the paintings. Isn’t the white house still a great building?
KevinA
November 15th, 2009
10:49 pm
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
10:46 pm
KevinA the funny thing is, it doesnt have to come to this. Give the man a fair contract, sign his favorite coach and let keep going up. Just that simple.
He was offfered a fair contract. Dosen’t seem complicated.
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
10:49 pm
Heh heh! I don’t know who could write the better book, Ken on Woody, or Woody’s “fan/stalker” crew on Ken….
Hmmm…yes, the difference between Clyde and Ken is that Ken verbalizes and details his criticisms.
Clyde just says “fire the man.” How one is acceptable to you, but the other is NOT…well, that’s beyond me, but like I said, it’s not a big deal.
I think you don’t see Rod’s posts the same way simply because you don’t feel the same way about Marvin as you do Woodson. Like I said, it’s all opinion, preference, etc.
I used to get into some serious battles about Josh Smith. Isn’t worth it. Never was. I used to take up for the dude all the time, no matter what he did. Of course, I was able to see what he was doing wrong, but I took issue with people who over-exaggerated it, or only had negative things to say. I still will get after people every now and again if I think a statement is unfair or just flat out wrong, but such is the nature of opinion. Blessing and curse, I say.
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
10:49 pm
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
10:35 pm
Your time sequence needs checking. Just so we are current. You have addressed the question.
KevinA
November 15th, 2009
10:50 pm
Truth-Serum,
Not a bad time to resign Woody though.
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
10:52 pm
Ken Strickland ,
Like I said, some things are just better left alone. Or, if you respond, do so in a humorous fashion. Even the most dedicated vitriol throwers usually quit once their target stops reacting to being hit, or starts laughing at his attackers. Not worth getting worked up over for long periods of time. Of course, this IS advice coming from a bit of a hothead, so take with a barrel of salt, LOL!!
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
10:52 pm
Once again in case you missed this, Im not a real big woodson fan. Hes just a coach. Im more a fan of justice and I think its unfair to him to ignore the work he has done. I hope you heard me this time. Some say you are a part of the bubba hate crew, but i give you the benefit of the doubt.
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
10:56 pm
KevinA , I dont think we should let woodson out of the state. The guys respect him and connect with him. They have brought into his style of play and they are winning with it. Out side of Phil jackson I dont know too many who could come here and have that kind of connection with these guys, let alone win. Wed be a fool to let Woodson go and breakup what we have going.
I also think that if Woodson is signed Joes not going any where, assuming he gets a fat contract.. They are pretty tight.
Grandad
November 15th, 2009
10:58 pm
Ken Strickland: I tried hard to steer him toward me but he thinks you and I are the same. I know I am who I am and I’m certain you do as well.
The more I got after him the madder he got @ you. Sorry, my friend. Oh and by the way I’m an ol’ Southern democrat, about as far from what he calls “the Bubba crew” as one could be. Very anti Rush. I hope this does not alienate anyone. However, politics have no place here. Neither does the injection of race on our topics. K.S. – this is for you:
I see J.Teague losing confidence, just wondered if I was the only one to notice? v. Boston he went to the hoop and on all the tape I’ve seen of him he throws it down…but against Bos. he tried to finger roll. I’ve seen a couple other times when he appers to be playing timid. Not blaming Woody yet, maybe officials, rook-itis, or could be that 0-fer in the last pre-season game, Just wondering. Lastly:
Sybil’s a charming young lady, is she not? Sorry – couldn’t resist.
doc
November 15th, 2009
10:59 pm
seems like there is more than one obsessive around these parts, just saying.
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
11:00 pm
KevinA,
Hey, caught your questions on the other blog. Sorry it took so long for me to answer.
Truth Serum,
Yeah, I saw that. Doesn’t help when I’m typing something else, somewhere else, and am not keeping up with the conversation. Or, when the web page refreshes, and the last two or three posts are missing, and I have to wait for WordPress to catch up.
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
11:00 pm
fair contract? I think hes right if when he says he can get a better contract than that. True It was good, but He can and will get a better contract. Question is, is it worth it to the Hawks to let him get a few more millions some where else, are stay here and concentrate on winning a championship. I hope Sund works these two issues out , Joe and woodson, and lets go after a championship.
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
11:04 pm
or stay here
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
11:05 pm
when he says
its lights out for me!
KevinA
November 15th, 2009
11:05 pm
I read somewhere that 17% of JT’s drives were blocked. Now he is having a tough time making shots and his minutes are dropping. Maybe a couple of vets need to show him appreciation for pushing the ball. The true team leader.
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
11:13 pm
Truth-Serum ,
I hear you. Justice on a blog? Well, one can certainly try. Maybe you’ll hear me as well this time: I don’t think Woody is going anywhere. And if these guys keep winning and getting better, then there is no reason for him to.
KevinA
November 15th, 2009
11:15 pm
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
11:00 pm
fair contract? I think hes right if when he says he can get a better contract than that. True It was good, but He can and will get a better contract. Question is, is it worth it to the Hawks to let him get a few more millions some where else, are stay here and concentrate on winning a championship. I hope Sund works these two issues out , Joe and woodson, and lets go after a championship.
So where does good fit in on your justice scale. Fair to who, the team or Joe. As discussed before, the cap is shrinking, we have Al and Evans to be concerned with. What about Jamal the year after. I do not want to keep Joe to lose the bench.
The real solution? Find rich owners who will spend over the cap. Then you can pay everybody.
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
11:17 pm
I agree, let’s go get a championship. As for contracts, assuming Woody gets his, it will be better than 2 or 3 years.
If it’s Joe we’re talking about, I heard a little scuttlebut that according to whatever rules or whatever it was, all the Hawks could offer at the time was a 4 year extension, not something bigger. Apparently they can offer a 5 year contract extension at the end of this year, so it behooves JJ to pass on the first one, as any sports agent worth his Beamer would advise.
However, it’s certainly not out of the realm of possibility that other teams may make a play for him. However, if the Hawks end the season on an exceptionally successful note, and JJ wants to stay, word may get put out that trying for him is a waste of time. The things that go on behind closed doors where these deals are done, are often unknown to us at the time of their happening.
Bitching?
November 15th, 2009
11:26 pm
We are 8-2 and yall are still BITCHING? Give me a break. STFU and enjoy the great bball being played.
KevinA
November 15th, 2009
11:41 pm
Ray an interview with Sund on 790 the Zone discussed some of that. It may or may not be all about money. You can look up and listen. Pod cast.
Ramon
November 15th, 2009
11:45 pm
Don’t look now but D. Anderson put up 20 for the Rockets in LA.
KevinA
November 15th, 2009
11:53 pm
Bitching?
November 15th, 2009
11:26 pm
We are 8-2 and yall are still BITCHING? Give me a break. STFU and enjoy the great bball being played.
You are mean. Check out the Boston blogs. They are arguably a better team and still have a great record. After 2 losses in a row they are none to happy. Rasheed was a hero and now he is a heal. Like Marvin it all comes down to a dozen missed shots. Doesn’t he have the same game? We are never as good as we think we are when were winning and never as bad as we seem when were losing. Why do you call it bitching, why not commenting. All is good.
jerrywest
November 15th, 2009
11:56 pm
vote now for usa today’s nba player of the week
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2009-11-15-player-of-the-week_N.htm
KevinA
November 16th, 2009
12:00 am
Ramon ,
Houston playing good and Spurs playing bad. Who could predict that.
Big Ray
November 16th, 2009
12:05 am
Yeah, no kidding. Houston looked poised to get back into the lottery come draft time…
Big Ray
November 16th, 2009
12:12 am
I’d like to see Josh get a nod for all-star, but my prediction is he gets the snub this year….but makes all NBA defensive squad, be it first or second team.
Stuffs the stat sheet and if you look at his profile on NBA.com, he leads the team in EFF rating (23.90) easily. Horford is second (21.40), then JJ after that (19.80).
Still, stuffing the stat sheet gets you nowhere when there are favorites who will get there by default, and other guys might be closer to those benchmark 20 and 10 figures.
Besides, truth be told, Josh is not a true all-star just yet, has to play like he has in his best games so far this season, more consistently first. We’ll see how it looks by the midway point, as to whether or not I shall start the hue and cry.
Anthony
November 16th, 2009
1:09 am
This team will NOT have staying power.
Mychelfromatl
November 16th, 2009
1:10 am
Some of you cats need help, plain and simple.
Mychelfromatl
November 16th, 2009
1:13 am
Wow, Lakers got booed at home tonight with their lost to the Rockets.
Anthony
November 16th, 2009
1:34 am
This is a bad franchise and they will fade when the big dogs start playing well.
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Mychelfromatl
November 16th, 2009
2:19 am
Anthony,
Kill yourself.
Anthony
November 16th, 2009
3:10 am
Mychel… Do you actually believe this piece of crap team will hold up in the long haul? The Hawks are terrible. Did you know they haven’t even won the division since 1994?
doc
November 16th, 2009
6:36 am
houston is intriguing …. 36 mil of contract on bench with injuries to start the season, i. e., yao and t mac and they start off 6 and 4 with one close home loss to lakers at home.
rick adelman = COY?
Clyde
November 16th, 2009
7:26 am
Ken Strickland for Blogger of The Year
FIRE WOODY
Dos Hawkquis
November 16th, 2009
8:22 am
Does anyone else know how many other teams run the “SWITCH” defense that the Hawks employ? Has any team ever one a championship with this style of defense?
It creates horrible mismatches that teams can exploit. There was one game where Zaza was on a guard. It was atrocious.
“I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends.”
Truth-Serum
November 16th, 2009
8:24 am
KevinA
That seems to be the common way to championship is to find rich owners who are willing to spend money on talent.
Sport business is business. Whats fair to Joe? What’s fair to the team? whats fair to the owner? Hmmmm, is there a middle ground?
If am a GM for the Hawks, I keep JJ,Josh, and Crawford happy and make that my nucleus. To me the rest or interchangable.
Anthony's second cousin twice removed
November 16th, 2009
8:28 am
The Hawks suck, thats why they are at the top of the standings right now. Only sucky teams are there. The hawks suck, which is why they made the playoffs the last two years. Only sucky teams make the playoffs. The hawks suck, this is why they are beating other good teams. Because the hawks suck.