6:50 pm November 14, 2009, by Ken Sugiura
Okay, here’s your game blog, folks.
Nothing too significant from pre-game stuff that I heard. Sorry I can’t write more; I gotta crank out some stuff before tipoff.
Any predictions?
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Ken Strickland
November 15th, 2009
3:21 pm
DOS HAWKQUIS-I don’t think JJ wants the full responsibility of being the absolute team leader, but he does want the freedom to take charge whenever it suits him. He made the comment a while back that he didn’t realize how hard it would be to be the team leader when he agreed to come here.
If he leaves, I’m not so certain it will be because of money alone. I think he’s doing exactly what GM RSund has done, waiting to see what Woodson does with this team this yr. I also think he wanted to see if Woodson would maintain the status quo, or come up with a more imaginative and effective system to lessen his OFF/DEF burden.
I think the Hawks felt all along JJ he was leaving, which is why they traded for JCrawford rather than resign Flip Murray. Crawford has starter talent, while Flip is just an effective backup. Too be honest, we might be a better team with Crawford as our starting SG than JJ. He’s quicker, faster and more athletic, which makes him harder to double than JJ and a better penetrator.
Since Bibby will be our starting PG as long as Woodson is HC, Crawford might actually be a better fit with Bibby than JJ. We just need to find another player that can replicate Crawford’s production off the bench. Actually, if we resign JJ, and we continue to play uptempo and attack the basket, I’d consider moving JJ to SF. He’s played the position very effectively so far this season as we use the lineup with he, Bibby and Crawford more and more as the season progresses.
KevinA
November 15th, 2009
3:22 pm
For all the grieving, Marvin is only taking 7 shots per game. 30-34 from the line. His minutes have been cut to 27 min per game instead of the normal 34. His .389 FG% is not good, but compared with JT’s .325 FG%? I think most of us agree we want JT to get solid consistent minutes so where is the love for Marvin gone. He will turn it around. In the meantime the big’s will continue to carry us. Besides Evans and Crawford are playing great in those extra 7 minutes Marvin has had taken away. No reason to panic.
Joe Mama
November 15th, 2009
3:40 pm
Ken, Whatz up? Tell me you are not a real punk b!tch and asking some one else to fight your battles for you. Damn, I thought you were a man. Some one called you “organic B!tch”, Is that true?
Look. Sund will resign Woodson.
I too wonder if you will answer the question, ” do you want to retract your earlier statment that teague should start in place of Bibby? Do you know realize how foolish and unlearned that statement was?
Dezz nuttz
November 15th, 2009
3:47 pm
Ken, Ive heard you say how Woody should play the game the way you think he should. Has he taken your advice? Has he changed from what hes been doing for 5 consecutive seasons? Have you had discussion with him telling him to stop switching and play teague? Does he even know you? So
My point is hes winning doing it his way and thats what he is paid to do! That makes him a pro.
What do you get paid to do?
Dezz nuttz
November 15th, 2009
3:49 pm
We just need to find another player that can replicate Crawford’s production off the bench.
Ken why dont you take the job? You seem to know it all. If I were you Id call Sund and tell him you should be Coach, fire
Woody and hire Ken.
Ken Strickland
November 15th, 2009
4:09 pm
KEVINA-I agree wholeheartedly. Remember, there are only a select few going out their way to make an issue of Marvin’s play, so just let Woodson deal with that issue.
O'Brien
November 15th, 2009
4:27 pm
Ken S – My issue with Marvin is not the amount of shot attempts he gets. My issue is his FG% and 3pt%. We need him to be able to make that timely shot during the course of the game. Its only been 10 games in, so its still early. He just needs to improve his FG% (games where he goes 2-10 like last night wont cut it).
KevinA – Teague is a rookie, and he was the #19 pick, so there has to be a learning curve (FG%, turnovers etc). This is Marvin’s 5th year, so more is expected from him.
I do agree with that blogger that financially, the Hawks will have some tough choices to make at the end of the season. How much do you offer JJ? Do you offer Big Al an extension? What about Crawford?
Rod from College Park
November 15th, 2009
5:02 pm
Ree Roe and Deez Nutz,
I have been advocating getting rid of the guy named Marvin Williams from the first day I started posting on this blog, which was about two years ago. I also was very outspoken about us not resigning this guy for 7 to 8 million per year this summer and most on this blog called me crazy. He is vastly overpaid, we win in spite of him. He brings nothing but rebounding from the 3 position to this team. Our record was better without him last year. He has never done anything in the playoffs. He can’t defend any above average players at his position. He brings nothing for us on offense. WE STARTED OFF GOOD LAST YEAR ALSO. OUR RECORD WAS BETTER WITH MO EVANS STARTING LAST YEAR. HE IS AN ABSOLUTE BUST. Remember Woodson and Rick Sund stated that they expected much more from Marvin after he signed the new contract. He has failed miserably. If you actually ever laced up a pair of basketball shoes it is not hard to see that Marvin is a below average basketball player with limited skills. You don’t pay those kinds of players 8 million a year. He was only able to score 13 points a game on our team because of the double and triple teams on Joe. If teams ever guarded him man to man, he would never score. My dislike for his game is nothing new. TRADE MARVIN WILLIAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grandad
November 15th, 2009
5:09 pm
Young lady [sybil] I was curious about your b-ball resume;
that’s re (re – short e) sum (some) e (e – long a). Sorry I know that
even though your a cunning linguist you did not reconize the french
influence on the accent. K.S. can fight his own battles; Ive just decided to test your intellect. It was once told to me by a person whom I respect a great deal: “If you cannot make your point without using
foul language, then your lack of intelligence is exposed.”
Dezz nuttz
November 15th, 2009
5:15 pm
Rod from College Park In another time and space I would argue to show patience with Marvin. I have been a fan of his for quite a while. Last game the Hawks called his number repeatedly to get him crunk but he responded like paschulia use to with turnovers and missed layups. He understands the game but is not able to enforce is skill level. He came to the pros after only a year of college and the expectations were high. We have invested a lot of money in him and you are right. The production doesnt match the ability nor the investment. I think this is in marvins head. Hes a part of the chemistry of this team, which is an exceptional team of loyalty and unselfishness. Im sure his team mates feel his pain.
In a pure GM mind set I think you are right on the money. He plays out the year and then Its decision time for him. I would not mind if we package marv with some one and went after a low post presence to set us up to be ready for the half court game than will surely happen in the finals level of the playoffs.
Good point.
Clyde
November 15th, 2009
5:55 pm
THE TIDE CONTINUES TO ROLL
Ingram For Heisman
FIRE WOODY
bigdave
November 15th, 2009
6:41 pm
“Better with Jamal starting at SG over JJ…”
are you serious…?
JeJe
November 15th, 2009
6:42 pm
MARVIN SUCKS BUT WE ARE WINNING. KEEP HIM FOR NOW
Grandad
November 15th, 2009
7:20 pm
You got me! Typo. If you will notice I got it right at 2:54 PM.
I concede; I am not infallible. Still curious about your res___ oh never
mind, your credentials that validate you as an expert on all things Basketball. Another question; were you the towel boy at IU when Woody
played? I forgot, you played on the girls intramural team at ITT Tech.
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
7:40 pm
Ken Strickland ,
You know I mean you no harm. But I have to say: you can’t put out a fire by dousing it with fuel. We’re well past the point of right and wrong, are we not? There are certain people you are never going to agree with, regardless of the subject of conversation. And with some, the subject never changes. So what is the point of engaging in conversation with them? You know the outcome before you type the first word. Just something to think about…Of course, if you find any entertainment in it, then don’t let me rain on your parade.
The Truth
November 15th, 2009
8:17 pm
To those that don’t believe JJ could jet for the money next season, you may want to reconsider
“I’ve got some pretty good friends on that team,” Johnson said. “It’s always fun to be around them.”
The way things could unfold, I hope Mr. Sund has a plan “B”
Truth-serum
November 15th, 2009
8:25 pm
Enter your comments here
hawks fan
November 15th, 2009
8:27 pm
some times we reap what we sow
hawks fan
November 15th, 2009
8:37 pm
Grandad
Opa waarom uw ademgeur zoals een ezel?
Grandad
November 15th, 2009
2:54 pm
K.S. – I’ve been(attemppting) to draw his fire, but he keeps insisting that you and I are one and the same. I can recognize his adolescent
behavior [I'm starting to think he's in middle school] as well as his cunning mind. All this adds up to an underachiever. I’m certain of (this due to his poor grammar, spelling),
hawks fan
November 15th, 2009
8:38 pm
If you will notice I got it right at 2:54 PM.
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
8:47 pm
Truth Serum ,
Come on, man.
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
8:48 pm
The Truth ,
I don’t think there is any reason to doubt that JJ is a coveted player. Now, shall we take the next step in thinking? What will Sund do if faced with the very real prospect that JJ may leave?
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
8:58 pm
A thought or two on Brandon Jennings.
His 55 point outburst was really something, and it’s obvious the kid can really, REALLY play. There’s no telling just how good he will be in the end, but the day of the point guard is as prominent as ever. Look around the league, and you see Derrick Rose, Tyreke Evans, Russell Westbrook, as well. Chris Paul and Derron Williams are in their 5th years in the league, so they’re more experienced, but still. Point guard is where it’s at in a lot of cases, opposite the dwindling supply of dominant big men (centers).
Is he the best in the league? Nah. Best in the East? I wouldn’t say that either, just yet. But he’s going to be an all-star if all goes according to plan, based on what we’re seeing now.
You can never knock a guy scoring that many points, even if it is against the Golden State Warriors (defense? What’s defense?). And of course, it jacked his scoring average to the mid-20s, where I don’t expect it to stay. Kid’s awesome. Better than the Bucks’ 2005 #1 overall pick, that’s for sure…
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
9:13 pm
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
7:40 pm
We’re well past the point of right and wrong, are we not? There are certain people you are never going to agree with, regardless of the subject of conversation. And with some, the subject never changes. So what is the point of engaging in conversation with them? You know the outcome before you type the first word. Just something to think about
Yeah, Ray, I always hoped youd be none partial like Sekou.
This is just a couple days of recent sampling, but it go on for weeks and months at a time.
Like you say you know what some people are going to say before they open their mouths.
Ken Strickland
November 4th, 2009
10:01 pm
TRUTH SERUM-you made the comment: “HE(WOODSON)HAS WON”. Since no NBA team has ever gone winless, you can make that statement about anyone that’s ever coaching in the NBA. Saying HE HAS WON is a whole lot different than saying HE HAS A WINNING RECORD. Woodson 1st Hawks team won only 13 of 82gms, yet he still won. Last yr Woodson’s team won 47 or 82, and was his 1st winning season in his 5yr career as HC.
You can’t take anything away from what he’s accomplished, especially when you consider what he faced when he started. However, if he deserves as much credit as some of you seem to think, you shouldn’t have to skew the facts and/or make out of context statements to justify it.
Ken Strickland
November 5th, 2009
3:06 am
(4)Woodson is stubborn, a creature of habit, and isn’t blessed with a lot of confidence as a HC. I say that because even with a deep, talented and experienced bench, he’s starting to revert back to his old habit of overplaying his starters, committing less time and effort developing his younger player(s) as the season progresses and limiting the mins of his bench beyond an 8 man rotation. Joe Smith, MEvans and JTeague are getting cameo mins regardless of how well the perform. There’s no excuse for JCollins and/or RMorris getting DNP coach’s decision after 5gms.
Ken Strickland
November 5th, 2009
2:05 pm
Coaching scared makes you react for the moment and use up all of your ammo early. Coaching for the playoffs allows you to conserve you ammo and position yourself to weather the assault until help arrives. In this case, that help will be Teague, JSmith and Collins. However, you have to let them know their help is needed by consistently giving them adequate mins, or just playing them period.
Ken Strickland
November 5th, 2009
4:16 pm
Doesn’t is seem like Woodson is more interested in protecting Bibby’s starter status than giving a young, quick, fast and talented PG the time and attention needed to make a difference with this team? We all saw how Teague got DNP coaches decision immediately after a solid performance in the 2nd half of a serious comeback effort against the Lakers. Isn’t this the same irrational decision he consistently made with ALaw right after a strong performance
Ken Strickland
November 6th, 2009
1:07 am
SAMUEL-well, well, well. Your 10:17PM post is a definite admission of your aware that Woodson is coaching scared, which is definitely due to his insecurities. However, are you insinuating that Woodson’s refusal to effectively utilize his bench is his way of getting back at GM RSund for not giving him a contract extension? HOW CAN OUR PLAYERS BE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP A CHAMPIONSHIP CALIBUR ATTITUDE, CONFIDENCE, AND TRUST AMONG THEMSELVES AND THEIR HC WHEN THE HC CONSISTENTLY DEMONSTRATES CONFIDENCE AND TRUST ISSUES WITH HIS PLAYERS?
Allow me to clarify something. I’m not saying that everyone that supports Woodson and recognizes what he’s done is NARROWMINDED OR BLIND. It’s just the select few that have a limited one way thought process when it comes to Woodson and can’t bring themselves to accept he’s flawed
Ken Strickland
November 6th, 2009
11:27 am
DO YOU THINK THE NBA WOULD HAVE YOUNG ALLSTARS LIKE CPAUL, DROSE AND DWILLIAMS PRODUCING THE WAY THEY ARE IF THEY PLAYED UNDER A HC THAT THINKS ABOUT THEM THE WAY WOODSON AND YOU THINK ABOUT TEAGUE? Teagie is ready to start, it’s Woodson and his love affair with vets, especially with Bibby, that’s not ready for him to start.
Ken Strickland
November 6th, 2009
6:29 pm
Bubba Crew Head Quarters
November 6th, 2009
10:21 pm
Heres an analysis of todays game from Ken Stickland,
I HATE WOODY, WOODSON, HATE , ANGER, MO HATE, I HATE WOODY,SOME MO HATE, STUPIDITY, I HATE WOODSON, HATE WOODY, BITTER, ETC. ETC, MO HATE
PAID FOR BY THE LOCAL KNIGHTS OF THE SOUTHERN BUBBA CREW.
STAY TUNE FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENTS.
Play Teague
Ken Strickland
November 7th, 2009
8:30 am
I’m not saying it’s a certainty, but maybe, juuust maybe, last nights beatdown was the result of playing the last gm of a West coast rd trip, playing in 2 different time zones, AND WOODSON STUPIDLY AND UNNECESSARILY UNDERUTILIZING HIS BENCH AND PLAYING HIS STARTERS WAY TOO DAMN MANY MINS. WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, IN THE CASE OF OUR BELOVED HC, MAYBE YOU CAN’T TEACH AN OLD DOG NEW TRICKS.
Ken Strickland
November 7th, 2009
9:12 am
Please, will someone explain why we went to so much trouble to sign Joe Johnson just to see him sit on the bench and get, at most, token mins?
Dude, get some help… soon.
Ken Strickland
November 7th, 2009
3:43 pm
Sund and the ASG has got to start looking at the longterm ramifications of Woodsons continued irrational actions. Like CP said, JJ will likely walk, and I’m certain Joe Smith will take the same attitude towards us that he took when he refused to resign with Cleveland, and for the same reason.
Woodson’s refusal to play Joe Smith and JCollins will make it much more difficult for the team to sign quality vet FA in the future. Players know what’s going on with various teams and HC’s, and will make their choices accordingly. Any productive vet that signs a decent one yr contract is looking for an opportunity to show he deserves a longer contract, or at least another decent one yr contract. What do you think the chances of that happening be if he thinks he might end up geting the ALaw treatment, like JSmith and JCollins have gotten so far?
That means that no quality vet will waste time signing with the Hawks, as long as Woodson is the HC, unless he has absolutely no other options. And what quality FA vet would have no other options? We’re in the 6th yr of Woodson’s tenure, and we’re still looking for him to act like he has the intelligence, ability or inclination to develop the PG of the future this franchise needs. Someone needs to tell him that MIKE BIBBY isn’t what the franchise means when there’s talk about PG of the future.
Before this off season, one of Woodson’s biggest excuses for over playing his starters, and not using his bench, was its lack of talent, depth and experience. Well, Sund added depth, talent and experience, and we’re still seeing the same old SH!T from Woodson. I guess that proves he was only using those issues as excuses to mask his limitations as a HC. TAKE NOTE RICK SUND!
CP-I’m not so sure having more players and talent to work with throws his gm plan off as much as it exposes his lack of one. Isn’t it a negative indictment for any HC, going into his 6th yr of tenue, when his veteran players are still complaining about their roles? AGAIN, MAYBE WE’RE SEEING WHY SUND REFUSED TO COMMIT TO WOODSON.
Ken Strickland
November 9th, 2009
2:51 pm
Woodson has demonstrated an inclination to force what he wants on the team, rather than doing what’s best for the overall team. That’s why he hasn’t received an endorsement from GM RSund or the ASG, or offered a contract extension. That alone should tell anyone with a clue, as well as those who continue attacking me for not singing his praises, that management agrees with my assessment that there’s something wrong with his overall coaching philosophy and approach, despite the teams 2 playoff appearances and annual increase in wins.
Ken Strickland
November 9th, 2009
6:45 pm
TRACEMAN-to answer your question, YES. Right now, we aren’t a good DEF team, but we are a good OFF team. Despite it being early in the season, we have to judge a team by what it does, not what it has the potential to do. If a student has made A’s on every previous test taken, but makes an F on this test, do you record the F on this test, or an A, based on previous tests?
You can’t get better constantly living in the past. What Bibby did for us when he got here was fantastic, and started us on our way to consecutive playoff berths. But the team that he came to in the 07-08 season has matured, as well as the players, and we’ve acquired more talent. Teams recognized what he did for the team, and now know what he can’t do and have adjusted accordingly.
Why does everyone that abjects to the idea of replacing Bibby as a starter react as though I’m advocating we get rid of him? What he does for the team as a starter, he can continue doing from the bench. When we played Denver, they concentrated on attacking Bibby whenever he was in the gm because they knew he was our weakest link defensively, as does the entire NBA.
We don’t have a dominant BIG like DHOWARD, KGARNETT OR TDUNCAN, nor do we have a superstar like DWADE, KOBE, LEBRON OR PPIERCE etc. Therefore, we have to rely more on the team concept and take advantage of our abundance of speed, quickness, athleticism, versatility and depth. BIBBY HAS NONE OF THOSE ATTRIBUTES, THEREFORE HE LIMITS THE OVERALL OFF/DEF POTENTIAL OF OUR STARTING LINEUP. Since JJ is our only starter with one on one skills, and our other starters all have limited individual OFF skills, we need a starting PG that can help create easy scoring opportunities for them, and BIBBY DOESN’T DO THAT.
We need a PG with enough speed, quickness, lateral movement and aggressiveness to:
(1)pressure the ball and provide more protection for our frontline by making it more difficult for the opposition to make entry passes into the post.
(2)display enough speed, quickness and lateral movement to defend the quicker PG’s and prevent JJ from having to do so.
(3)have enough speed, quickness and lateral movement to make it more difficult for opposing PG’s to breakdown our DEF and attack our frontline.
(4)add more versatility to our OFF, and reduce our dependency on shooting longrange jumpers, by being able to penetrate and create easy scoring opportunities for others.
(5)create a consistent enough concern for the DEF to limit the double/triple teams on JJ.
(6)have the speed and quickness to get ahead of a teams’ transition DEF, after a missed shot, and going coast to coast if necessary.
(7)fight over picks and maintain position in front of the ball(PG) and eliminate the need to switch on every pick and roll, as well as subsequent mismatches.
BIBBY CAN DO NONE OF THESE THINGS, AND TO CONTINUE STARTING HIM WILL CONTINUE TO PENALIZE OUR STARTING TEAM.
KevinA
November 9th, 2009
7:02 pm
Ken,
I normally don’t do this much so don’t bite my head off. If Bibby is going to get his 20 min Don’t you think he works better with JJ? Because of his lack of mobility he fits with the first unit better? ZaZa, Evans and Joe Smith need a Crawford/Teague to break down the defenses and deliver the good pass.
If Bibby can’t be effective with the first unit why would you think he would be better with the second. I think we agree with one thing for sure. 15-20 minutes for Bibby is much better than 30-35. Bibby can be a deadly assassin in small stretches and should be used that way.
Ken Strickland
November 9th, 2009
7:06 pm
KEVANA-don’t lose sight of my focus, which is CONSISTENCY. I’m not being critical of Woodson because he hasn’t done the things I’ve been criticizing him for
ant banks
November 15th, 2009
9:20 pm
CLYDE,
enuff wit’ that “FIRE WOODY!” bs. that is so ‘07.
the problem with marvin williams is that he can’t create his own shot. when he drives to the hole, he always stumble. and because woody was at the wheel when he was selected #2, woody has to play him and hope that he reaches that potential, so he won’t look like a fool.
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
9:20 pm
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
7:40 pm
We’re well past the point of right and wrong, are we not? There are certain people you are never going to agree with, regardless of the subject of conversation. And with some, the subject never changes. So what is the point of engaging in conversation with them? You know the outcome before you type the first word. Just something to think about
Yeah, Ray, I always hoped youd be none partial like Sekou.
This is just a couple days of recent sampling, but it go on for weeks and months at a time.
Like you say you know what some people are going to say before they open their mouths.
In the last four days here is a sampling of his posting…It seems to me that he has a Woody for Woodson.
Ken Strickland
November 4th, 2009
10:01 pm
TRUTH SERUM-you made the comment: “HE(WOODSON)HAS WON”. Since no NBA team has ever gone winless, you can make that statement about anyone that’s ever coaching in the NBA. Saying HE HAS WON is a whole lot different than saying HE HAS A WINNING RECORD. Woodson 1st Hawks team won only 13 of 82gms, yet he still won. Last yr Woodson’s team won 47 or 82, and was his 1st winning season in his 5yr career as HC.
You can’t take anything away from what he’s accomplished, especially when you consider what he faced when he started. However, if he deserves as much credit as some of you seem to think, you shouldn’t have to skew the facts and/or make out of context statements to justify it.
Ken Strickland
November 5th, 2009
3:06 am
(4)Woodson is stubborn, a creature of habit, and isn’t blessed with a lot of confidence as a HC. I say that because even with a deep, talented and experienced bench, he’s starting to revert back to his old habit of overplaying his starters, committing less time and effort developing his younger player(s) as the season progresses and limiting the mins of his bench beyond an 8 man rotation. Joe Smith, MEvans and JTeague are getting cameo mins regardless of how well the perform. There’s no excuse for JCollins and/or RMorris getting DNP coach’s decision after 5gms.
Ken Strickland
November 5th, 2009
2:05 pm
Coaching scared makes you react for the moment and use up all of your ammo early. Coaching for the playoffs allows you to conserve you ammo and position yourself to weather the assault until help arrives. In this case, that help will be Teague, JSmith and Collins. However, you have to let them know their help is needed by consistently giving them adequate mins, or just playing them period.
Ken Strickland
November 5th, 2009
4:16 pm
Doesn’t is seem like Woodson is more interested in protecting Bibby’s starter status than giving a young, quick, fast and talented PG the time and attention needed to make a difference with this team? We all saw how Teague got DNP coaches decision immediately after a solid performance in the 2nd half of a serious comeback effort against the Lakers. Isn’t this the same irrational decision he consistently made with ALaw right after a strong performance
Ken Strickland
November 6th, 2009
1:07 am
SAMUEL-well, well, well. Your 10:17PM post is a definite admission of your aware that Woodson is coaching scared, which is definitely due to his insecurities. However, are you insinuating that Woodson’s refusal to effectively utilize his bench is his way of getting back at GM RSund for not giving him a contract extension? HOW CAN OUR PLAYERS BE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP A CHAMPIONSHIP CALIBUR ATTITUDE, CONFIDENCE, AND TRUST AMONG THEMSELVES AND THEIR HC WHEN THE HC CONSISTENTLY DEMONSTRATES CONFIDENCE AND TRUST ISSUES WITH HIS PLAYERS?
Allow me to clarify something. I’m not saying that everyone that supports Woodson and recognizes what he’s done is NARROWMINDED OR BLIND. It’s just the select few that have a limited one way thought process when it comes to Woodson and can’t bring themselves to accept he’s flawed
Ken Strickland
November 6th, 2009
11:27 am
DO YOU THINK THE NBA WOULD HAVE YOUNG ALLSTARS LIKE CPAUL, DROSE AND DWILLIAMS PRODUCING THE WAY THEY ARE IF THEY PLAYED UNDER A HC THAT THINKS ABOUT THEM THE WAY WOODSON AND YOU THINK ABOUT TEAGUE? Teagie is ready to start, it’s Woodson and his love affair with vets, especially with Bibby, that’s not ready for him to start.
Ken Strickland
November 6th, 2009
6:29 pm
Bubba Crew Head Quarters
November 6th, 2009
10:21 pm
Heres an analysis of todays game from Ken Stickland,
I HATE WOODY, WOODSON, HATE , ANGER, MO HATE, I HATE WOODY,SOME MO HATE, STUPIDITY, I HATE WOODSON, HATE WOODY, BITTER, ETC. ETC, MO HATE
PAID FOR BY THE LOCAL KNIGHTS OF THE SOUTHERN BUBBA CREW.
STAY TUNE FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENTS.
Play Teague
Ken Strickland
November 7th, 2009
8:30 am
I’m not saying it’s a certainty, but maybe, juuust maybe, last nights beatdown was the result of playing the last gm of a West coast rd trip, playing in 2 different time zones, AND WOODSON STUPIDLY AND UNNECESSARILY UNDERUTILIZING HIS BENCH AND PLAYING HIS STARTERS WAY TOO DAMN MANY MINS. WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, IN THE CASE OF OUR BELOVED HC, MAYBE YOU CAN’T TEACH AN OLD DOG NEW TRICKS.
Ken Strickland
November 7th, 2009
9:12 am
Please, will someone explain why we went to so much trouble to sign Joe Johnson just to see him sit on the bench and get, at most, token mins?
Dude, get some help… soon.
Ken Strickland
November 7th, 2009
3:43 pm
Sund and the ASG has got to start looking at the longterm ramifications of Woodsons continued irrational actions. Like CP said, JJ will likely walk, and I’m certain Joe Smith will take the same attitude towards us that he took when he refused to resign with Cleveland, and for the same reason.
Woodson’s refusal to play Joe Smith and JCollins will make it much more difficult for the team to sign quality vet FA in the future. Players know what’s going on with various teams and HC’s, and will make their choices accordingly. Any productive vet that signs a decent one yr contract is looking for an opportunity to show he deserves a longer contract, or at least another decent one yr contract. What do you think the chances of that happening be if he thinks he might end up geting the ALaw treatment, like JSmith and JCollins have gotten so far?
That means that no quality vet will waste time signing with the Hawks, as long as Woodson is the HC, unless he has absolutely no other options. And what quality FA vet would have no other options? We’re in the 6th yr of Woodson’s tenure, and we’re still looking for him to act like he has the intelligence, ability or inclination to develop the PG of the future this franchise needs. Someone needs to tell him that MIKE BIBBY isn’t what the franchise means when there’s talk about PG of the future.
Before this off season, one of Woodson’s biggest excuses for over playing his starters, and not using his bench, was its lack of talent, depth and experience. Well, Sund added depth, talent and experience, and we’re still seeing the same old SH!T from Woodson. I guess that proves he was only using those issues as excuses to mask his limitations as a HC. TAKE NOTE RICK SUND!
CP-I’m not so sure having more players and talent to work with throws his gm plan off as much as it exposes his lack of one. Isn’t it a negative indictment for any HC, going into his 6th yr of tenue, when his veteran players are still complaining about their roles? AGAIN, MAYBE WE’RE SEEING WHY SUND REFUSED TO COMMIT TO WOODSON.
Ken Strickland
November 9th, 2009
2:51 pm
Woodson has demonstrated an inclination to force what he wants on the team, rather than doing what’s best for the overall team. That’s why he hasn’t received an endorsement from GM RSund or the ASG, or offered a contract extension. That alone should tell anyone with a clue, as well as those who continue attacking me for not singing his praises, that management agrees with my assessment that there’s something wrong with his overall coaching philosophy and approach, despite the teams 2 playoff appearances and annual increase in wins.
Ken Strickland
November 9th, 2009
7:06 pm
KEVANA-don’t lose sight of my focus, which is CONSISTENCY. I’m not being critical of Woodson because he hasn’t done the things I’ve been criticizing him for
dos hawkquis
November 15th, 2009
9:23 pm
Does anyone else know how many other teams run the “SWITCH” defense that the Hawks employ? Has any team ever one a championship with this style of defense?
It creates horrible mismatches that teams can exploit. There was one game where Zaza was on a guard. It was atrocious.
“I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends.”
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
9:25 pm
Did you say something Ray?
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
9:28 pm
dos hawkquis I have to agree with you. This is horrible. Well never make the playoffs like this. Switching defense. Youll never win game this way. Its amazing that all these million dollar GM’s and Owners, youd think some one would have found out he doesnt know what the hell hes doing. No wonder the hawks are getting worse and worse, …Im with your fire the hell out of Woody.!
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
9:29 pm
ant banks
November 15th, 2009
9:20 pm
CLYDE,
enuff wit’ that “FIRE WOODY!” bs. that is so ‘07.
Not as long as Ken’s around.
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
9:30 pm
Truth Serum ,
LOL. That is the longest re-post I have ever seen? I had to stop reading, lol.
Yeah, I said something earlier, but I think the blog monster ate it. Heh, most not have been that important. No big deal…
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
9:30 pm
Excuse me…Ray? did you say something?
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
9:31 pm
OK ten-four, Just wanted clarity.
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
9:31 pm
Come on man, I think Ken Strickland has quit the “fire woody” stuff.
If anything, your target should be Clyde . Hell, if Clyde has nothing else to say besides “Roll Tide”, it’s “fire woody.”
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
9:35 pm
I mean seriously. Fire Woody after the Hawks are tied for the best record in the league in the first ten games of the season? WTF….
I may not agree with everything the man does, but no way do you fire a guy when his team is doing this good . And I realize it’s just the first ten games, and we should keep watching. But I’m a Hawks fan, so I’m not looking for failure. I want success. Right now, that’s what we have.
Nobody should be fired right now. I see Woody invited Byron Scott to some practices and what not. Maybe he’ll offer an assistant’s job to him? I wonder…
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
9:37 pm
The dudes obsessed. I cant have a decent conversation with him because everything goes back to his obsession with Woodson. Dude. These are just the last few days of his post but hes been going on like this for over a year.
Get some help!
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
9:43 pm
Woodson has up the hawks every year. Hes poured his heart and soul into these boys and they connect with him. They have bought into Woodson wisdom and style of play, and they play it well. How can you say the soup is good but the chef did a bad job? The building is great but the architect is an idiot? The Hawks are great but Woodson is a fool? To me this is sick and a turnoff for a real hawk fan. Woodson has done a meritorious job from 5 years ago until today. Im just as proud of his work as I am the players who have embraced his teachings and and are winning with it.
How can you not see that, Ray?
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
9:45 pm
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
9:31 pm
Come on man, I think Ken Strickland has quit the “fire woody” stuff.
All of those post I just show you of Kens obsession with Woody were written this past week. Excuse me?
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
9:51 pm
My bad…but I TOLD you I didn’t read them! I guess now I have to go back and read them…gimme about an hour or two, will ya?
Grandad
November 15th, 2009
9:51 pm
Big Ray: I’m sorry, I’ll leave him alone. You said the blog monster ate yours; well Mrs Grandad censors my posts and would not permit my last one. He thinks I’m Ken Strickland but I’m not[hopefully it's obvious].
K.S. has his own distinctive style. I am the one who enjoys dangling the ball of yarn in front of him [T S]. I’ll try to stick to hoops from now on.
like a little kitten.
Grandad
November 15th, 2009
9:55 pm
Can’t type worth a lick.
Grandad
November 15th, 2009
9:58 pm
TS: Personally I don’t want Woody fired right now.
Last year I could not have said that.
I do not think a new contract is apprropriate right now either.
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
10:01 pm
No problem ray, let me simplify it for you, here they are again,- LOLLike you say you know what some people are going to say before they open their mouths.
In the last four days here is a sampling of his posting…It seems to me that he has a Woody for Woodson.
Ken Strickland
November 4th, 2009
10:01 pm
TRUTH SERUM-you made the comment: “HE(WOODSON)HAS WON”. Since no NBA team has ever gone winless, you can make that statement about anyone that’s ever coaching in the NBA. Saying HE HAS WON is a whole lot different than saying HE HAS A WINNING RECORD. Woodson 1st Hawks team won only 13 of 82gms, yet he still won. Last yr Woodson’s team won 47 or 82, and was his 1st winning season in his 5yr career as HC.
You can’t take anything away from what he’s accomplished, especially when you consider what he faced when he started. However, if he deserves as much credit as some of you seem to think, you shouldn’t have to skew the facts and/or make out of context statements to justify it.
Ken Strickland
November 5th, 2009
3:06 am
(4)Woodson is stubborn, a creature of habit, and isn’t blessed with a lot of confidence as a HC. I say that because even with a deep, talented and experienced bench, he’s starting to revert back to his old habit of overplaying his starters, committing less time and effort developing his younger player(s) as the season progresses and limiting the mins of his bench beyond an 8 man rotation. Joe Smith, MEvans and JTeague are getting cameo mins regardless of how well the perform. There’s no excuse for JCollins and/or RMorris getting DNP coach’s decision after 5gms.
Ken Strickland
November 5th, 2009
2:05 pm
Coaching scared makes you react for the moment and use up all of your ammo early. Coaching for the playoffs allows you to conserve you ammo and position yourself to weather the assault until help arrives. In this case, that help will be Teague, JSmith and Collins. However, you have to let them know their help is needed by consistently giving them adequate mins, or just playing them period.
Ken Strickland
November 5th, 2009
4:16 pm
Doesn’t is seem like Woodson is more interested in protecting Bibby’s starter status than giving a young, quick, fast and talented PG the time and attention needed to make a difference with this team? We all saw how Teague got DNP coaches decision immediately after a solid performance in the 2nd half of a serious comeback effort against the Lakers. Isn’t this the same irrational decision he consistently made with ALaw right after a strong performance
Ken Strickland
November 6th, 2009
1:07 am
SAMUEL-well, well, well. Your 10:17PM post is a definite admission of your aware that Woodson is coaching scared, which is definitely due to his insecurities. However, are you insinuating that Woodson’s refusal to effectively utilize his bench is his way of getting back at GM RSund for not giving him a contract extension? HOW CAN OUR PLAYERS BE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP A CHAMPIONSHIP CALIBUR ATTITUDE, CONFIDENCE, AND TRUST AMONG THEMSELVES AND THEIR HC WHEN THE HC CONSISTENTLY DEMONSTRATES CONFIDENCE AND TRUST ISSUES WITH HIS PLAYERS?
Allow me to clarify something. I’m not saying that everyone that supports Woodson and recognizes what he’s done is NARROWMINDED OR BLIND. It’s just the select few that have a limited one way thought process when it comes to Woodson and can’t bring themselves to accept he’s flawed
Ken Strickland
November 6th, 2009
11:27 am
DO YOU THINK THE NBA WOULD HAVE YOUNG ALLSTARS LIKE CPAUL, DROSE AND DWILLIAMS PRODUCING THE WAY THEY ARE IF THEY PLAYED UNDER A HC THAT THINKS ABOUT THEM THE WAY WOODSON AND YOU THINK ABOUT TEAGUE? Teagie is ready to start, it’s Woodson and his love affair with vets, especially with Bibby, that’s not ready for him to start.
Ken Strickland
November 6th, 2009
6:29 pm
Bubba Crew Head Quarters
November 6th, 2009
10:21 pm
Heres an analysis of todays game from Ken Stickland,
I HATE WOODY, WOODSON, HATE , ANGER, MO HATE, I HATE WOODY,SOME MO HATE, STUPIDITY, I HATE WOODSON, HATE WOODY, BITTER, ETC. ETC, MO HATE
PAID FOR BY THE LOCAL KNIGHTS OF THE SOUTHERN BUBBA CREW.
STAY TUNE FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENTS.
Play Teague
Ken Strickland
November 7th, 2009
8:30 am
I’m not saying it’s a certainty, but maybe, juuust maybe, last nights beatdown was the result of playing the last gm of a West coast rd trip, playing in 2 different time zones, AND WOODSON STUPIDLY AND UNNECESSARILY UNDERUTILIZING HIS BENCH AND PLAYING HIS STARTERS WAY TOO DAMN MANY MINS. WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, IN THE CASE OF OUR BELOVED HC, MAYBE YOU CAN’T TEACH AN OLD DOG NEW TRICKS.
Ken Strickland
November 7th, 2009
9:12 am
Please, will someone explain why we went to so much trouble to sign Joe Johnson just to see him sit on the bench and get, at most, token mins?
Dude, get some help… soon.
Ken Strickland
November 7th, 2009
3:43 pm
Sund and the ASG has got to start looking at the longterm ramifications of Woodsons continued irrational actions. Like CP said, JJ will likely walk, and I’m certain Joe Smith will take the same attitude towards us that he took when he refused to resign with Cleveland, and for the same reason.
Woodson’s refusal to play Joe Smith and JCollins will make it much more difficult for the team to sign quality vet FA in the future. Players know what’s going on with various teams and HC’s, and will make their choices accordingly. Any productive vet that signs a decent one yr contract is looking for an opportunity to show he deserves a longer contract, or at least another decent one yr contract. What do you think the chances of that happening be if he thinks he might end up geting the ALaw treatment, like JSmith and JCollins have gotten so far?
That means that no quality vet will waste time signing with the Hawks, as long as Woodson is the HC, unless he has absolutely no other options. And what quality FA vet would have no other options? We’re in the 6th yr of Woodson’s tenure, and we’re still looking for him to act like he has the intelligence, ability or inclination to develop the PG of the future this franchise needs. Someone needs to tell him that MIKE BIBBY isn’t what the franchise means when there’s talk about PG of the future.
Before this off season, one of Woodson’s biggest excuses for over playing his starters, and not using his bench, was its lack of talent, depth and experience. Well, Sund added depth, talent and experience, and we’re still seeing the same old SH!T from Woodson. I guess that proves he was only using those issues as excuses to mask his limitations as a HC. TAKE NOTE RICK SUND!
CP-I’m not so sure having more players and talent to work with throws his gm plan off as much as it exposes his lack of one. Isn’t it a negative indictment for any HC, going into his 6th yr of tenue, when his veteran players are still complaining about their roles? AGAIN, MAYBE WE’RE SEEING WHY SUND REFUSED TO COMMIT TO WOODSON.
Ken Strickland
November 9th, 2009
2:51 pm
Woodson has demonstrated an inclination to force what he wants on the team, rather than doing what’s best for the overall team. That’s why he hasn’t received an endorsement from GM RSund or the ASG, or offered a contract extension. That alone should tell anyone with a clue, as well as those who continue attacking me for not singing his praises, that management agrees with my assessment that there’s something wrong with his overall coaching philosophy and approach, despite the teams 2 playoff appearances and annual increase in wins.
Ken Strickland
November 9th, 2009
7:06 pm
KEVANA-don’t lose sight of my focus, which is CONSISTENCY. I’m not being critical of Woodson because he hasn’t done the things I’ve been criticizing him for
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
10:03 pm
Correction, thats a recent four day synopsis of what kens favorite subject is.
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
10:05 pm
Hawk haters…
Woodson has up the hawks every year. Hes poured his heart and soul into these boys and they connect with him. They have bought into Woodson wisdom and style of play, and they play it well. How can you say the soup is good but the chef did a bad job? The building is great but the architect is an idiot? The Hawks are great but Woodson is a fool? To me this is sick and a turnoff for a real hawk fan. Woodson has done a meritorious job from 5 years ago until today. Im just as proud of his work as I am the players who have embraced his teachings and and are winning with it.
How can you not see that, Ray?
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
10:07 pm
Truth-Serum ,
Okay. This is what I see from all of that: Ken still doesn’t like certain things that Woody does. I’d say he doesn’t like Woody much at all. But not once in those postings did I see where he said “fire him.” I’m just saying….
Now I see where he has mentioned Rick Sund needing to take note of what Woody typically does. I see where he’s saying that some of this same old stuff is why Sund hasn’t extended Woody.
I actually disagree with Ken on that particular subject, but I do so for technical reasons, not personal ones.
I personally believe that Sund is doing his due dilligence here. And here is why:
1) Sund just got here. This will be his second full season with the Hawks. He still has to see what this team can do, particularly with the additions/subtractions he made. A hasty decision in either direction could be harmful.
2) Woody signed the 2 year contract that Sund (and the ASG) offered him. He did so, having to know that he might not get an extension until his contract was up. If he signed it, thinking that he would get an extension before it was more than halfway over, then his expectations were unrealistic. Similarly….point #3…
3) Last year was Woody’s first year with a winning record as a head coach. It’s admirable that the Hawks have improved their win totals every year he’s been here. But that’s also 5 years with only one winning record. The other years were improvements, but still losing records. I’m not taking away from his accomplishments, I’m trying to look at it from a purely objective, “numbers” point of view. Having said that, I think he’s a lock for an extension (and a nice one) if the team maintains a winning record and playoff appearance (although we still will probably have to win the first round, at least) again this season.
4) Tying points 1 and 3 together, I think Sund is doing the right thing by allowing Woody to work both years of the extension he was given, to prove that he can do more than just win in one season. And I think, at least based on what we’re seeing right now, that he is going to do just that.
5) I don’t think Woody wants to be anywhere else. Sure, the Hornets have a head coaching job open, but I doubt Woody wants to go there. I mean, coaching CP3 might be fun, but the rest of it is a crapshoot on a good day. Their GM hasn’t done much to help CP3 out, and Byron Scott was the first scapegoat. No, Woody wants to be here, where he got his first chance to be a head coach, and where he has put so much work in. If he and the team are decently successful, we’ll see him around for many years to come. If not, he’ll be sitting somewhere next to Scott, looking for a job. But I don’t think that’s going to happen, unless for some reason, this team implodes all of the sudden.
Getting back to Ken , I know he’s heavily critical of Woody. But he’s not calling for him to be fired. He’s just griping about the things he doesn’t like, that Woody does. An obsession? Possibly. I’ll let him answer for himself.
I don’t see a reason for the two of you to keep up your fights with each other, but I’m not in charge of either of you. It’s just considering how opposite you feel about the same subject (Woody), I can’t believe y’all are even addressing each other at all.
Ain’t no biggie, though.
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
10:11 pm
Its a no brainer that Teague is not ready to challenge Bibby.
The Hawks have brought into Woodson and his style of coaching. It works for them. They like Woodson very much even if you don’t. They have brought into Woodson’s offense and defense. They are also set under Woodsons teaching. Organic my azzse. Woodson is the farmer producing this blue ribbon winning team. Not You Ken, but Woodson. Let me hear you say that W-o-o-d-s-o-n…
Thank goodness you aren’t allowed near the Hawks. You’d be barred from interviews like Schultz. You are so negative and divisive. Why don’t you accept that this is Woody’s team and the players love him and are growing because of Woodson’s teachings, on how to play the game, not because of Ken’s theory on organic growth? They are listening and applying what they learn. It’s paying off. In case you missed it this is a work in progress for the last five years.
It’s one thing to disagree with his style of coach, surely you have done that. OK, we heard you. You don’t like Woodson’s style and you demand that he play your style and play your favorite players. I wish he d play my style and my favorite players too. He’s paid to do the job and he’s winning. STFU! Let me enjoy the season without your constant whining, Pl-e-e-z-e. At the least let us that think Woodson is doing an excellent job enjoy the glory of our season. It’s about the Hawks, not about Ken Strickland whose sole NBA or for that matter any level of Basketball experience is what he’s read in the sport pages and heard on a blog sight.
You are pissing in the wind my brother. Woodson will be back next year. Believe that.
And yes, the hawks still need a center to get to the higher levels.
Everyone and his mother picked the hawks to win 47-51 games this year.
That’s another no brainer. Stevie Wonder could see that.
Now take down that picture of Rush Limbaugh.
Ken Strickland
November 15th, 2009
10:23 pm
BIG RAY-point taken. I honestly didn’t realize I had a serious stalker until I scrolled down shortly after reading your comments, especially one so doggone deranged, WOW!!! You can bet I’m going to leave this psycho alone from this point on.
Big Ray
November 15th, 2009
10:23 pm
Truth Serum ,
I see your point. I really do. It IS disingenuous to say the Hawks are a great team, but the coach sucks. He has to be doing something right for them to be a great team. Right now, they look like a pretty good team, and they are one. I hope to see some consistency from them, and 10 games is not all that good a sample size, when it’s the FIRST ten games. Again, flip the coin and I LOVE the way these guys look. Yeah, their defense is crumbly. And I’m still not sure what Woody is thinking with this switch defense concept. But….8-2…LOVE IT. I’d love 16-4 even better. I’m enjoying this!
I’m not saying I don’t see your point about what Ken has to say. He IS very vehement on anything that he disagrees with or otherwise doesn’t like, that Woody is doing. The only thing I don’t see is why there is still a discussion on it. You know you aren’t going to agree with anything he says. He knows he’s not going to agree with anything you say. At least on the subject of Woodson.
Yeah, it may seem obsessive. But it’s good to get past letting stuff like that bother you. If the team is 8-2, then it’s a moot point. Dude can make all the noise he wants, he has a right to an opinion. And truthfully, you have a right to answer that opinion with one of your own. But y’all have been going at it FOREVER, and AIN’T NOTHIN’ CHANGED, yo!
Come on. You’ve got to be enjoying this success, aren’t you? Well enjoy it! Take it from me, getting angry about somebody’s opinion shouldn’t be enough to take it from you.
If I stayed uptight with Rod’s propensity for talking almost exclusively about Marvin Williams (he doesn’t like him, in case you didn’t know..lol), then I’d never be happy. But I’m chillin’ wit it. Besides, Marvin is stinking up the court right now, so I can’t argue to hard with Rod ….know what I mean?
Truth-Serum
November 15th, 2009
10:25 pm
Ray im on my way to bed, got a big day tomorrow. I am a Hawk fan, I come here because it is advertised as a hawks blog site. In reality it is a Woodson cell and Ken is the chief publisher. I find people like Rod and Samuel worth the conversation. Snowman was good too but he decided he couldnt take it so he went to another site to root for the hawks. .
You did not answer my question.How can you say the soup is good but the chef did a bad job? The building is great but the architect is an idiot? The Hawks are great but Woodson is a fool?
In reality I dont separate Woodson from the rest of the Hawks, hes is the teams leader and a part of the team. Id rather talk about something else, and I thought by humoring Ken hed move on to something relevant and uplifting but he keeps going back to woodson. So I ask… how much wood could a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood>?