Coming to you from Boston
What’s up?
Just landed in Boston, quite literally. I’m sitting in baggage claim at Logan. (It’s not that cold here, actually.)
Anyway, nothing to throw at you, other than that I’m pretty fired up for Friday night’s tilt. I don’t know exactly what importance it carries for the Hawks themselves – I gather some of you are framing it as a “stand up to the bullies” sort of game – but hopefully I’ll get a better sense of that tomorrow before the game.
Anyway, I am going to shootaround Friday morning at the Fleet Center and wanted to bring you along, so to speak. If you want to give me some questions that you’d like me to ask, I’ll try to get to the best ones and give you answers hopefully before game time in another post.
It’s something I tried while covering and blogging about Tech last year. I don’t really remember how it worked out. I’ll give you some parameters or advice. A question like “Player X, which would you so your game resembles more – a vacuum cleaner or a black hole?” or “Player X, how do you sleep at night knowing you’re stealing money?” is probably not going to make the cut. I sense that these are questions some of you would really like to ask, but these are people I’m going to have to deal with practically daily for the next few weeks or months. Tough questions are fine, so long as they’re thoughtful and respectful.
Anyway, that’s about it. Sorry to post this so late in the cycle, but your deadline is probably about 8 a.m. (If this goes well, we’ll try it again another time.)
Catch ya later. Off to grab dinner and find my hotel.
P.S. I LOVE the passion you guys bring. Some of you probably want to check around for loose screws (ha ha), but great stuff.
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O'Brien
November 12th, 2009
8:32 pm
I’m not a big fan of this, but I’m going to do it anyway.
First?
Ken,
Maybe you could ask them what would it do for them and their psyche if they can finally win a game in Boston?
creamrisestotop
November 12th, 2009
8:38 pm
I hope we can finally stand up to Boston. Of the Big 3…I think they are the most vulnerable.
2nd??
mountain_jim
November 12th, 2009
8:53 pm
It’s a rare game I can watch on TV! (blacked out NC market and no League Pass.) Wonder how many calls Boston gets this game?
Samuel
November 12th, 2009
8:56 pm
Samuel
November 12th, 2009
8:44 pm
Doc,
What are you talking about? I’m not holding the torch for anybody. I’m not particularly a Zeke fan. I’m just saying that Walsh and Dantoni are just as bad or worse. They are 1-9 after a 32 win season. Nuff said. As far as the personal stuff, I could care less cause I know there are those who have and continue to do worse. Hell, NO just fired Byron and looks like the old retread, Tim Floyd, is learking in the wings. You can get any more “crooked” as Tim Floyd.
They basically tanked the season last year and are doing so again for the sake of the “master prize”, LBJ. I really hope he doesn’t go there for many reasons. The main one being, I just don’t like “Good Ole Boys”. Hopefully, nothing personal.
Abe, you know you’re a “scrubb” from way back. I have no idea what you’re talking about. Where did I mention race. I said “Good OLe Boys”. Any race can belong to the “Right Wing Bubba Crew” , right Truth? If you’re referring to my EURO statement. I’ve never waivered and will continue to call this freud out. Jacking up 3’s and playing “Zero” defense will never get a ring over here.
Ken,
Save the BS, we know you hate Woody with a passion. You’d rather us finish last and Woody get fired than us winning it all. That would make you look like the “scrubb” that you are. All these Bullsh_t As_ stats you post but the main one (W-L) counts for nothing. Get a Clue.
Woody/Spolestra/Gentry/Westphal=COY
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Samuel
November 12th, 2009
8:53 pm
ISO Bron three plays in a row.
Fire Mike Brown
truly1
November 12th, 2009
9:04 pm
My question is for woody. What is your plan for Jeff teagues development?
Samuel
November 12th, 2009
9:26 pm
Why is Michael Jordan at the Miami/Cleveland game. Are you serious, Michael Jordan’s jersey hung in Miami. Are you serious?
Samuel
November 12th, 2009
9:39 pm
The Boston game won’t show me anything. I would love for us to steal one but it still won’t change the fact that they are Top Tier team and we are trying to make it there. I still believe however, that they are our best chance out of the Top 3 (Boston, Cleveland, Orlando) of pulling an upset if we meet in the second round.
Big Ray
November 12th, 2009
9:40 pm
Heh, heh, heh. I see Samuel is “on fire”…..
austin emmet
November 12th, 2009
9:58 pm
my question is for woody. i think it should be asked how he is gonna give everybody the minutes they want and have worked hard for. huge fan of jamal but how does mike bibby fit into our lineup this year? he hasnt been getting many minutes…
RLP
November 12th, 2009
10:04 pm
I think it has been a consensus opinion on this blog that the big three in the East are Boston, Cleveland and Boston. And yet at this point in the season the Hawks have a better record that two of those three. The Hawks have a great starting record at 6-2 but have five tough games coming up facing Boston and then NO the next night, then Portland, Miami and Houston all at home. I think before we get too high on the ream we need to see how they make it through this stretch before getting too excited.The Miami game will be HUGE given the way they have started the season. But even after this stretch the future is waiting for the team. I think it is important to avoid a blowout as several posters have mentioned. But I also think a win is not out of the realm of the possible.
Right now the Cavs and the Heat are on TNT. This game is important to tell us more about both of these teams who are in competion with the Hawks. Current score is Cavs 70 heat 67.
O'Brien
November 12th, 2009
10:06 pm
From the previous blog.
It pains me to see how JJ pounds the ball, before giving it up too late in the shot clock or forcing a difficult shot. I really wish he would pass the ball quickly, and hopefully get it back later in the possession. (I really like the way Crawford gets other guys involved quicker).
I know its only 8 games, but what I’ve seen from Woody is the same Woody I saw last year, and the year before, and the year before. Sure, there are brief moments when things look better, but once adversity sets in, he goes back to the old Woody. I just dont think Woody will change much.
I look for the Hawks to win 50-54 games, and lose in the 2nd round again. I think that will be enough for Sund to give him a new contract. And who can blame Sund if that happens…
The Hawksta
November 12th, 2009
10:28 pm
Ok Samuel I understand your love for Woody as much as I understand Rod from ColiPark for hate for Marvin, but geez you gotta say Woody has to show us a new play or move for Boston. You have to watch his coaching and see how well he plays his advantages. Like what did he learn from the Phoenix Suns upset win? Come on man give us something more than you are married to his sister?!
Mz. Hawkdafied
November 12th, 2009
10:28 pm
Traceman how the heck are we supposed to know what the rookie can do if he doesn’t get consistent playing time? Last night he came in the game with a minute and a few seconds left in the entire game. What the heezy is he supposed to do in that short amount of time? I think questioning the coach’s rotation is a legitimate concern especially when during the off season we were constantly told the Hawks’ depth had improved. You mean to tell me the ATL Hawks can’t win games on a 10-12 player rotation?
Don’t get me twisted, I am not advocating for Jeff Teague to start instead of Bibby. I am not an advocate for Jamal Crawford to start instead of Marvin. It wouldn’t make sense to keep the starting five together and then break them up during the season. In my opinion the starting lineup is set, I don’t disagree with the starting lineup. I am however against a 6-8 man rotation when you have depth on your bench.
I am concerned with another first round pick being wasted. I was disturbed by what happened to Acie Law IV, who on this blog can be certain Acie deserved to be traded? I can’t cause I barely saw him on the court. And when I did I don’t really remember him being so terrible. And now Jeff Teague is being subjected to sitting between the coaches like some little kid who just got in trouble. I refuse to sit idly back and not speak on something that’s bothering me.
The key word is “starters”. Your players who start the game and are supposed to be your best players. The other word is “reserves”. You know players who are supposed to relieve the starters, may not be as good but can contribute nevertheless while the starters rest up.
Come on Woodson supporters, pay attention. Most on the blog are not discrediting the wins. It’s the way he goes about winning. There has to be a more efficient way to get wins using all of your resources. One being the most glaring one: THE RESERVES!
IT’S ALL ABOUT THE HAWKS’ PROGRESS AND NOT HATE!
MannyT
November 12th, 2009
10:30 pm
Teague mentioned that he overpacked for the prior road trip, but he had figured out that he needs to take less. What does he leave behind this trip that he would have taken last time?
BWAF
macaroni tony
November 12th, 2009
10:32 pm
I see that LJ is like JJ they dribble the ball way too much…
macaroni tony
November 12th, 2009
10:44 pm
No ball movement when that happens..
Hawksfanatic
November 12th, 2009
10:49 pm
Ken, you’ve been doing a great job so far. I like your enthusiasm for the job. If I recall correctly, you essentially called yourself the interim beat writer. Its tough to follow Sekou (we were spoiled with his reporting), but you’ve certainly got my vote.
If you run into Woody, would you ask him how he likes his rotations and distribution of minutes so far?
The Hawksta
November 12th, 2009
10:51 pm
Ooooeweeee!!! Mz Hawkdafied bring it! Let there be NO QUESTION YOU ARE A FAN OF THE GAME!!! I’m sweatin your enthusiasm! We need to ask for more out of Woody. He can’t say we don’t have the players anymore. Besides when he was an assistant in Detroit I don’t remember anyone pounding the ball like JJ. Woody is scared of JJ. Yet he fails to realize JJ cares nothing about him and will make his choice to leave our team regardless of how far we make this postseason. Then where do we go? We still have Woody and no Joe?
macaroni tony
November 12th, 2009
10:52 pm
If you look at Wade tonight its a foul.
Melvin
November 12th, 2009
10:54 pm
Nice article on Teague aka JT0
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=14314
i_am_soulstar
November 12th, 2009
10:56 pm
No questions Ken.. just a statement. Josh Smith, All-Star 2010.. we’ll accept nothing less.
Melvin
November 12th, 2009
10:57 pm
Oh yeah link to the article on Teague has some interesting quotes from Woody in reference to his playing time… Makes me wonder, does every PG needs a jumpshot in order to be effective in his eyes/system????
jerrywest
November 12th, 2009
10:59 pm
Ken,
Ask the following question to JJ and frame it like this:
“Josh says his assists are much higher this year because his teammates are much better this year. Why are your assists down?”
The Hawksta
November 12th, 2009
11:01 pm
I’m 5′11 240lbs. If LB came at me the way he just went through Jermaine Oneal I’d have to swing at him and take the suspension damit!
macaroni tony
November 12th, 2009
11:03 pm
Melvin,
That’s a great article..
Mz. Hawkdafied
November 12th, 2009
11:06 pm
My question to Mike Woodson:
During the preseason we fans were treated to a ten to twelve player rotation, what has happened to make the rotation shorter? Is the bench not as deep as was originally thought?
My question to Joe Johnson:
Do you feel as if you have accomplished what you came to Atlanta for?
My question to Al Horford and Josh Smith:
If Joe Johnson decides to go to another team, do you feel that you can step up and take on that leadership role?
My question to Jeff Teague:
How are you dealing with limited to no playing time? Did it shock you? What are you doing to keep limited playing time from dealing a blow to your confidence?
My question to Mike Bibby:
As the team’s point guard what do you feel is the team’s greatest weakness at this early point of the season?
My question to Othello Hunter:
How does it feel to have earned that final spot on the roster? How hard is it to be the only reserve in a suit?
My question to Zaza Pachulia, Joe Smith, Randolph Morris and Jason Collins:
As the Hawks big men reserves, what do you plan on focusing on bringing to the game when your number is called?
My question to Jamal Crawford:
After being told that your role was to be a scorer, do you still feel the necessity to prove that you can share the ball?
My question to Marvin Williams and Mo Evans:
What’s your main focus this year, offense or defense or a little bit of both?
macaroni tony
November 12th, 2009
11:06 pm
Teague is a rookie so you has to wait his turn to play. Now I do think that Woody is coaching scared, and I hate that. But I look at it this way we’re 6-2 and its a long season.
The Hawksta
November 12th, 2009
11:12 pm
My question to Woody: What is your basketball philosophy offensively?
Mz. Hawkdafied
November 12th, 2009
11:15 pm
So what Teague’s a rookie! Is there some rule that rookies aren’t supposed to get much playing time?
The Hawksta
November 12th, 2009
11:17 pm
Defensively when are we going to commit to a no layup rule? I don’t like hearing midway through the forth quarter my starting center is whistled for his first foul. I’d like a few guards on the opposing team to get bless with the hands of Jesus by Horford!
The Hawksta
November 12th, 2009
11:21 pm
It’s not called a hard foul but a veteran foul.
The Hawksta
November 12th, 2009
11:25 pm
Jay Cutler sucks(lol)!
truly1
November 12th, 2009
11:29 pm
Ask Joe johnson does he think when he plays 40 plus minutes it takes away from his defence and Does he feel he has to play that long to get his rythum. Woody acts like taking minutes from joe is going to lose him games or something. I think playing a fresh bench is better than a tired starter.
Ramon
November 12th, 2009
11:41 pm
Ken, how are you doing? I’m loving the work you’re putting in.
The question I have would be addressed to Assistant Coach Larry Drew. I would love to know what are his feelings about the team and the way the offense and defense is ran. Also does he think Sund would block him from interviewing for another position if it came open? (We do realize that Drew would be the head coach of Minnesota right now if he would’ve left for their top assistant gig a few seasons ago).
RLP
November 12th, 2009
11:42 pm
There are only three teams in the NBA and only one in the East with a better record than the Hawks. To many bloggers are getting upset with the short rotation too soon. The season is long. There have been games when JTO has received his minutes. I fail to understand the negativity on this blog when the record is so good. Even if the team loses to the C’s there will still only be three teams with a better record. This year’s team has shown improvement on the road. Why the obsession with negativity?
I saw an argument being made that the best judgment of a team’s strength, even more that the won lost record, is the point differential. In the entire NBA there are only five teams in the league higher than the Hawks +5.8. The Hawks have a higher + than either the Cavs or the Magic right now. It is going to be an exciting season barring injuries.
It seems that some bloggers are setting the predicate to being able to say “I told you so” later in the season. I can understand getting that in but why is it necessary to continue making the argument? You are on record as having expressed that belief. Now, sit back, relax and enjoy the momentum being created.
Of course I understand no one will follow that advice. But if the team exceeds expectations please remember that the predicate has also been set for “I told you so’s” coming back at you.
Ramon
November 12th, 2009
11:42 pm
Ken, I’m sorry one more question…
I would love to know if Josh has considered joining the contest this season?
Big Ray
November 12th, 2009
11:54 pm
The constant thing with Woody is this: “We won, so you may not like how I did it, but I got it done.”
He’s right. Can’t argue. He’s right….for now.
Same thing worked for Byron Scott for a few years. Things were looking good. Had a brand new “franchise player”, turned the team’s fortunes around. Had a couple legit seasons with winning records. Made the playoffs both years. Pushed hard in the playoffs one good time.
Then one day, the one trick/same trick pony wasn’t getting it done. Suddenly, the way he was doing it wasn’t getting it done anymore.
Moral of the story: eventually, the ends stop justifying the means, if the means never change.
This ain’t no bash on Woody. Just a cautionary tale.
Big Ray
November 13th, 2009
12:01 am
RLP ,
Of course I understand no one will follow that advice. But if the team exceeds expectations please remember that the predicate has also been set for “I told you so’s” coming back at you.
You’re right. “No one” here is likely to state their opinion once and leave it alone, at your behest no less. By the way, be careful not to state your own opinion more than once, or you may accidentally join this group of “no one” and become a nobody yourself.
Big Ray
November 13th, 2009
12:02 am
P.S.- The game of “I told you so” is half of sports blogging all by itself!
Ever been to a sports bar?
Justin
November 13th, 2009
12:13 am
The concern over Teague’s playing time is legitimate because of what happened with Acie Law. Contrary to popular belief, win-loss is not the only responsibility of the coach. Player development is also important. The Hawks are very fortunate that Sund was able to get Crawford for Acie and Speedy. However, the Hawks are off to a good start and it’s too early to panic over the Teague situation. We’ll know by Christmas I think.
Boston game is really big for team psychology. A win would be huge because we played them tough in Boston last year but couldn’t get over the hump. A win would show a big step in maturity by beating an elite team on the road.
The Hawksta
November 13th, 2009
12:15 am
Big Ray I’m cosigning! Woody always seems to coach as if he is trying to save his job. Forget the game plan. I got to win the game. That’s ludicrous! Which is why the end justifying the means equals we are in the playoffs now what do I do? Overplaying starters kills your team at the end of the season. Sometimes you sacrifice a win to send a message! But not Woody! Lesson one to Joe: I got to sit cha, we gonna need you at the end of the year and I got get my second team ready understand. It’s not all about your nextt contract JJ. Don’t go to the media please!?!
The Hawksta
November 13th, 2009
12:18 am
Somebody give me a good game plan for Boston? All I hear is we gotta beat Boston and we played a great series TWO years ago. They have whipped are tails every since! Get that through your heads!
Traceman
November 13th, 2009
12:44 am
Mz. Hawkdafied,
I love your enthusiasm and I agree with much of what you say but I think you (and others) are dreaming if you think Woody is going to find consistent minutes for Teague as long as everyone is healthy and playing well. He is not playing behind a bunch of scrubs, all THREE guards ahead of him in the rotation are on the the All Star ballot for a reason.
There are only 96 mpg available at the guard positions. JJ is going to play 36 mpg MINIMUM and probably closer to the 37 mpg he is playing right now. Anything less for him would likely be detrimental to the team. As of today, the team’s mpg are as follows:
JJ – 37.3 mpg
Al – 34.6 mpg
Smoove – 32.3 mpg
Crawford – 29.5 mpg
Bibby – 28.8 mpg
Marv – 27.9 mpg
Mo – 16.1 mpg
Zaza – 12.6 mpg
Teague – 11.7 mpg
Joe S. – 8.8 mpg
Looking at those numbers, who needs to play less to get Teague consistent minutes? Crawford and Bibby are going to play around 30 mpg each if healthy and some of Crawford’s minutes are going to come at PG. The fact that Crawford is versatile enough to play PG KILLS Teague. If Crawford were a SG only he would be fine but that is not the case.
This dream scenario that many of you have of a 10-man rotation is a fantasy. The starters plus Crawford, Mo and Zaza are going to play consistent minutes. Teague and Joe Smith are going to play some nights and some nights they won’t. Collins and Morris will play only in special situations. Some teams play a 9 man rotation but most really only go 8 deep. The ones who go 9 deep usually don’t have as many guys as we do who can play multiple positions. Unfortunately for Teague, our BEST bench guy plays a lot at his position.
The primary difference in this year versus last year with regard to the bench is that if someone gets injured, the person coming in will be MUCH more capable of picking up the slack (i.e Teague over Acie and Joe S. over Solo). That is a great thing because it is a long season.
It amazes me how people still want to blame Woody for Acie’s failure. Acie was our STARTING PG on opening night his rookie year. Al came off the bench behind Zaza. Acie got hurt shortly thereafter and he was never able to stay healthy for long. When he was healthy, he didn’t do anything of significance. Acie couldn’t even shine against the likes of AJ and T Lue. Teague would have EASILY been our starter in that situation. Acie is nowhere near the player that Teague is. Never was and never will be.
Ramon
November 13th, 2009
12:46 am
Hawksta, the game plan for the Celtics has to be feeding Horford and Smoove on the block, early and regularly. The more that Horford and Smoove are involved in the offense, the more active they both are on the boards. Rebounding has been the main thing that has kept the Celtics above the Hawks. And theres a chance that Wallace plays better for Atlanta than Powe did. I say that because Powe camped out around the basket waiting for offensive rebounds. But with Wallace, he’s more likely to be out of position for high rebound games, because he’s constantly on the perimeter. I
Also, I don’t think KG can dominate Smoove. For the past two seasons, Josh’s defense on KG has been better than anyone else has guarded KG in the league. I do think with Ray Allen, you’ll be able to get away more with the lineup of Bibby, Crawford, Joe, Smoove, and Horford. Because Allen mainly only run behind backdoor screens, and I think Crawford will give him problems on the other end. If Joe was too quick for Ray, I know JC will be.
Another thing is Zaza must outplay the bigs off the bench for Boston. We can’t have any turnovers by not expecting the pass, that Zaza gets sometimes.
I’m actually looking forward to this game to see what can and will be done. I think the biggest factor in the game though, will be the referees. A few times the referees have stopped any minor run the Hawks have made in Boston. If the referees stay fair, or let them play everything out. I look for the Hawks to be able to attack early and often. Boston’s record and stat of only allowing 84 ppg is misleading because they’ve only played 2 winning teams (Cleveland and Phoenix), each other team from their record have a losing record (including New Jersey, Minnesota, New Orleans, Chicago and Charlotte).
Traceman
November 13th, 2009
1:13 am
My game plan against the Celtics would be to try to get them to play uptempo and to post up Ray Allen with JJ (or Marvin if they put Pierce on JJ) in the halfcourt. When the double came (as it would have to as there is no way Allen can guard JJ in the post), JJ needs to pass the ball and force the Celtics D to rotate. We must then knock down the open shot. Shooting will be the key. If we make shots, we have a shot to win.
On D, I’m doubling Pierce on the catch and forcing someone else to beat me. KG does not look like his old self yet coming off that knee surgery. I’d go with JJ on Rondo and I’d send all 5 guys to the glass because they are so much bigger up front. I’d try to run on missed shots and force KG to run on that knee.
Their bench has been playing well but it’s easier to play when you are ahead. Hopefully, we can keep it close and see if they can respond in a tough game.
cp
November 13th, 2009
1:34 am
Mz. Hawkdafied great post at 10:26….. O’Brien you’re right, Woodson will not change.. ray another great points once again…I know people keep saying oh its early in the season he has time to change it up, well his past gives me a different impression. He is doing exactly what he has done many times before. As someone said before, if Denver in a tough western conference can find minutes for Lawson then its no reason Woodson cant find consistent minutes for Teague.
honest_abe
November 13th, 2009
1:40 am
samuel: what part of that trash did you feel was worth reposting? it made you look stupid enough the first time so what made you feel the urge to make everyone else see it as well?
you sound like a bitter old man… and you always bring race into every argument. nothing’s changed. everything ain’t black and white.
Ben Cayadi
November 13th, 2009
1:43 am
Google rocks!
Ramon
November 13th, 2009
1:48 am
Samuel, you do realize it was that Euro Gasol who got Kobe his first ring since Shaq right? And also you do realize its that Euro Parker who has an NBA Finals MVP trophy right?
Ramon
November 13th, 2009
2:05 am
Oh yea, Samuel, you also realize its that Euro Wilkins who is known as the Hawks greatest player ever right?
Big Ray
November 13th, 2009
2:53 am
I have to say I have honestly missed Abe
Ramon ,
Yep. And yep again.
CP ,
I’m co-signing THAT.
Drewscrilla
November 13th, 2009
4:57 am
Ask Woody is he going give teague some minutes? Yeah it is early in the season so you want to get your rookie some experience.He could at least got the last 5 mins at MSG. All im sayin is give a kid a chance how bad can he be.
vava74
November 13th, 2009
5:46 am
Hi Ken,
Nice blog topic. My only question would be for JJ (it’s a statement followed by the question, so bear with me):
Most fans are questioning the fact that you are not doing offensively what you are preaching (being less selfish) and that you should “get more into the flow” of the game instead of going so many times on your own.
Is that something which is happening on account of Woody’s instructions or are you still adapting to the fact that the team is now playing better offensively and have not yet caught on to that fact?
vava74
November 13th, 2009
5:47 am
“…you have not yet…”
David R
November 13th, 2009
8:31 am
Please dont start Marvin, he is a role player at best. Mo and of course Jamal need to start in front of him. He is bust 1st round pick, live with it and move on.
dap01
November 13th, 2009
8:57 am
If a player don’t know how to do something or play, he better pick it up on his own. Our staff knows nothing about development.
Daniel
November 13th, 2009
9:14 am
Ken: I have two questions one for fun and one a little more serious.
1) Jeff Teague: The bloggers have been trying to come up with a nickname for you, suggestions have been JT0(like the car, I like this one since I suggested it of course), JT-Quick, etc.(help me out guys if I forgot other ones). Do you have a nickname, and if so what is it, if not do you like any of these suggestions?
2) Joe Johnson: Obviously, you have made an effort to be more of a vocal leader this year, and as a result you have gotten some heat by the press and the fans for your comments. How are you dealing with this aspect of being a vocal leader? Does it make you want to revert back to your previous quiet, lead by example style?
Daniel
November 13th, 2009
9:15 am
vava- nice question!
Big Ray
November 13th, 2009
9:27 am
“The general feeling was — and Chris Paul has said this — that this team did not have an identity, did not have a style, did not have a process for winning,” Weber said. “Coach felt the issue was trust and effort, that if we just trusted each other, we’d get better, but the issue was execution.”
Weber added that the Hornets had fallen into “bad habits” and no longer had a “culture” of winning. These problems, he continued, dated back to last season and didn’t improve during training camp. Instead of looking outside for the next coach, the decision was made to go with someone familiar with the team’s personnel.
Although Paul has been frustrated with the team’s slow start, a team insider said he was surprised and upset by the firing of the only NBA coach he’s played for. Paul and Scott had a close player-coach relationship that extended off the court. The two played golf together in Los Angeles earlier this week with Hornets reserve Devin Brown and Paul’s brother.
Other team members weren’t as shocked. David West, the team’s other resident All-Star, found Scott’s offensive system too rigid. Several of the team’s younger players were unsure of their roles.
Another knock on Scott was his handling of young talent. The team’s two rookies, first-rounder Darren Collison and Marcus Thornton, have had difficulty breaking into the rotation. Former first-rounder Julian Wright, now in his third year, has yet to see his career take off.
Players such as J.R. (Earl) Smith, Chris Andersen and Brandon Bass didn’t get much playing time under Scott, and flourished after leaving New Orleans. The Hornets’ front office was tired of watching potential develop elsewhere.
Again, a tale of caution. Look at the issues this team had. Look at WHEN they had them. It was right after they had gone further than they ever had before. I’m sure Byron Scott was able to say the same things that Woodson has said: “You may not like how I did it, but I reached the goals that were set” , but you can only say that while you’re winning.
On the plus side for Woodson, we’re 6-2. So he doesn’t look to be in any trouble at all.
But the rumblings from our corner sound eerily familiar to those heard in New Orleans. Chris Paul says execution is the problem, not trust and effort. Joe Johnson says guys don’t know their roles and are missing their assignments. That’s kind of scary, if you think about it.
The noise made about youngsters not getting playing time. Huh. Again, Woody is on the winning side right now. So none of the rumblings really matter. Start losing, and background noise gets louder.
Another plus for Woody is that he and Josh seem to be getting along, and Josh is playing some good ball, better than ever before in many areas.
Of course, we’re not yet where New Orleans was. We have yet to challenge for or be a tough out for the Conference Finals. But we might be there soon. This year, even.
Woodson should take note of Scott’s situation, and how it developed. He has to be careful. He has to grow. He has to see that sticking with one rigid system without making adjustments can only get you so far. It may get you almost to the Conference Finals. And after that, it may get you gone.
It’s all well and good when you’re on the way up. But when you can’t maintain? There’s the rub. Woody still has his chance. He still has choices. Byron doesn’t. Woody should pay attention. The path is familiar, the pitfalls all too recognizable.
The Truth
November 13th, 2009
9:30 am
Ken S
From The Truth: WELCOME TO HAWKSVILLE
Your welcome is now official. I sense from your recent comments that you are already enjoying your new assignment. As it is no big surprise, you have also notice the opinion eye-glasses that some of us bloggers often wear; some stronger than others. Though it may sometimes taint real basketball vision, it does make for an electrifying chatter room.
I would just have a few questions for Marvin: From his prospective, what is his reason for his recent shooting slump? What is his plan for getting out of it? Does he feel any added pressure as a result of his new contract? What (if any) new goals did he set for himself this year? Is he comfortable with the offense?
Big Ray
November 13th, 2009
9:33 am
On the other side of the coin, what happened to Scott wasn’t just about him. It was about his GM as well. What has Bower accomplished? Where has his path of decisions led?
Doesn’t matter for the coach, because that’s always the first fall guy. I’d say New Orleans has a talent problem, and they didn’t do a whole LOT to fix that. The best that’s happened is trading Chandler for Okafor. Jannero Pargo and Rasual Butler are both gone, two guys who could put the ball in the basket. Julian Wright is more frustrating than guys like Tyrus Thomas or Josh Smith have ever been.
The worst of all of this is that the Hornets managed to actually keep their best player. Of course, their best player is also head and shoulders above everybody else on his team, something that isn’t quite the same here in Atlanta.
Big Ray
November 13th, 2009
9:36 am
I have a question for Joe Johnson that probably should not be asked:
Which bothers you more (or bothers you at all), Jamal Crawford’s play, or the use of Jamal by Woody?
OR….
Who is missing assignments and not understanding their roles? Be specific.
Hamma Time
November 13th, 2009
9:42 am
In the past it seemed that the Hawks never ever attempted to fight through picks on D, causing severe and constant mismatches.
Now it seems that every effort is being made to switch (even though execution is sometimes lacking.)
Did Woody officially change the defensive philosophy or am I imagining the change?
Hamma Time
November 13th, 2009
9:48 am
I meant “every effort is being made to fight through picks”.i
Ken Sugiura
November 13th, 2009
9:48 am
a lot of good stuff in here. you guys came strong. i’ll try to hit as many as i can. thanks.
Decatur Native
November 13th, 2009
9:53 am
@ Mz. Hawkdafied
You need to be a reporter you have the BEST questions I have heard, give this dude a blog ASAP!!!!
KevinA
November 13th, 2009
10:00 am
JJ is our team leader and has carried the load for the Hawks for years. In fact he is off to a great start this year.
To bad he can’t match up with Paul Pierce.
FG% 3 PT Turn Over
JJ .451 65-144 9-34 23
Paul Pierce .515 53-103 19-36 18
Pierce is just very efficient.
Now lets look at team ball
Assists
Boston 239
Atlanta 170
3 PT
Atlanta 46-134 .343
Boston 136-181 .399
We are an improved team and maye one of a handful of teams that can beat Boston. It will take an almost perfect game played with a lot of energy.
A few keys.
We cannot afford to get behind early. We will have to play good all 4 qt.
We have to play good defense against the 3 ball.
Josh and Al will have to play great and. .
Boston avg 26 assists per game – Atlanta 21. To win we need to flip flop that number.
The Truth
November 13th, 2009
10:02 am
Big Ray
Your Hornet comments are very compelling and points are noteworthy. Since you mentioned it, I could also see a similar scenario with the Hawks if the losing starts. However, since we have not yet reached the same level of success as the Hornets (under the current regime), our expectation is (no doubt) different. While the Hornets may have used language like “winning a championship”, we often use language like “building on last success” or “competing with the elites”. That kind of expectation could earn Woody a new contract even if he falls short in a second round appearance; seems like the new expectation is just to “compete” better.
O'Brien
November 13th, 2009
10:06 am
Another question for our Hawks is what will it take for them to overcome these challenges on the road, especially against good teams?
(After winning in Orlando, the Cavs also won in Miami (back to back), without Delonte West. Those are the kind of road wins I would love to see the Hawks achieve).
Ray,
CP3 is unhappy in NO, and the Hornets are losing money, so I wont be surprised if there are trade rumors this offseason.
ILL-logical
November 13th, 2009
10:31 am
Some great analogys comparing Byron Scott’s NO career path and its similarity to Woodson’s.Definitely some food for thought.But let’s look at the situation from Woodson’s perspective for a moment.
He came into what was one of the worst run, financially unsound and structurely flawed organizations in pro sports as a first time head coach, fresh from a world championship experience.The talent pool was shallow and full of guys on the down side of their careers and with some fairly large contracts. 13-69 out the gate. Not good but he survived.
How? By making a plan and sticking to it. religously. Then came a serise of drafts that may or may not have had his imput but the succession of 6′8-9″ players continued ,without the type of point guard that fit his system.But still the team improved. There were dust ups with players and coaches who all intimated that he didn’t listen/ did not know how to coach.
All of this in the context of his former friend and team mate who hired him wanted him fired while the ownership acted as if they were filming a 3 Stooges episode.
My point is that I come to neither bury nor praise Woodson but to place his tenure into a context that may claify some of his actions/ non-actions. He has been in very unstable environment from day one and yet he has survived and on many levels prospered.
And it is very clear that he is not Mr. Sund’s choice for the job. So ,all things considered, he has done the best he can with the hand he was dealt. Maybe, just maybe one day he can feel confident enough at some point to be a little more strategic ; trust a little more and most of all not feel as if the whole world doesn’t know the troubles he has seen.
ILL-logical
November 13th, 2009
10:35 am
*analogies*
honest_abe
November 13th, 2009
10:40 am
welcome aboard ken!
can you ask coach woodson what the hawks can do differently so they can at least compete against elite teams on the road? it seems the hawks always have a penchant for laying down once the other team goes on any kind of run.
Daniel
November 13th, 2009
10:50 am
Decatur Native- Mz. Hawkdafied is a woman.
Daniel
November 13th, 2009
10:52 am
Mz. Hawkdafied- why are you so freaked out about JT0’s playing time? He didn’t get much time in NY, which was after 3 days off and the starters needed to get going, otherwise he has been getting very solid time for a rookie pg on a playoff team, esp. at home. I think you are over reacting.
Daniel
November 13th, 2009
10:53 am
Also, you would have killed Woodson for taking Horford out and playing Za or Collins when he was going crazy. You can’t have it both ways.
Daniel
November 13th, 2009
10:55 am
KevinA- another key you missed is turnovers! The Hawks have actually done well in this category this year, but they tend to come in bunches!! We cannot afford to have a quarter with 7 turnovers against Boston.
Ken Strickland
November 13th, 2009
11:03 am
BIG RAY-Don’t forget, BScott coached for GShinn, an owner that rivals DSterling of the LA Clippers for the title of cheapest most selfish and greedy NBA owner.
You can tell some of our fans are getting a little excited about what’s going on in New Orleans with CPaul and the Hornets. They’re thinking the Hawks might be able to work a trade for him. Well, why would he want to put his career in jeopardy by coming here? Woodson didn’t like him or his style of play when he came out of college, and his style of play definitely doesn’t fit Woodson’s preferred jumpshooting style of OFF.
Does anyone really think Woodson would give Bibby the ALaw treatment? You know he’d be pressured to play CP3 the heavy mins Bibby’s now getting. If, as TRACEMAN suggests, there’s no way for him to find anything other than limited and inconsistent mins for Teague, how can he possibly do any better for Bibby, since he’d assume the backup position Teague now occupies? Also, we’re already seeing JJ’s selfish reaction to Crawford and his impact, now what do you think his reaction would be to CP3?
CP3 could definitely make the Hawks a better team, but would JJ and Woodson, along with his limited OFF system, have a negative impact on CP3? However, I wouldn’t hesitate to take the chance to find out. If we’re going to become strong enough to compete with the big boys, and become a serious title contender, we have got to upgrade our starting PG position. We also need to get more consistent production from our SF position, but both situations are on Woodson. After all, he hasn’t made a single comment, change or adjustment in reference to Marvins inconsistency or JJ’s attitude towards Crawford, as well as his selfish ball hogging play.
There’s an old saying that goes, “IF YOU’RE NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION, YOU’RE PART OF THE PROBLEM”, and that is definitely at play here with HC MWoodson and the Hawks.
Rod from College Park
November 13th, 2009
11:08 am
Mz. Hawkdafied,
“The key word is “starters”. Your players who start the game and are supposed to be your best players. The other word is “reserves”. You know players who are supposed to relieve the starters, may not be as good but can contribute nevertheless while the starters rest up.”
Of couse you realize that that is not the case on this team. Marvin is not one of the 5 best players on our team. Crawford is better than Bibby. The starting lineup is based strictly on position and preference of the coach. It is not based on who the best players are.
KevinA
November 13th, 2009
11:15 am
Daniel,
To much work – to many minutes – got tired. I looked at the team turnovers and they were only one apart. Good point about ours seem to come in bunches.
Daniel
November 13th, 2009
10:52 am
Mz. Hawkdafied- why are you so freaked out about JT0’s playing time? He didn’t get much time in NY, which was after 3 days off and the starters needed to get going, otherwise he has been getting very solid time for a rookie pg on a playoff team, esp. at home. I think you are over reacting.
I like the home cooking point. When you are new (JT) or struggling (Marvin) maybe you some time off on the road. We have 70+ games to sort out our playoff rotations.
Mz.Hawkdafied- I do understand your worry – Woody does have a history.
terrell barron
November 13th, 2009
11:18 am
Melvin, the answer is yes. Bibby is Woody’s version of Mr Big shot. His shot can be off all game long, but Woodrow wont pull him because he has faith that he’ll hit the “big shot” when he needs to. Problem is, big shots usally come at the END of the game, not at the START.So, maybe he should just start Teague, who is better pg when it comes to getting his teammates involved, and bring Bibby in when we need some more scoring. Not advocating benching Bibby for Teague, but it’s the only way he’s going to get more time, playing for old stubborn azz. With all that said, it’ll never happen. Btw, I’m starting to see the Acie experiment all over again. Bring the ball up, pass it to Crawford(Flip), and get out of the way. I guess as long as your on the court with a vet, Woody thinks your developing???? What the .uck ever!
Samuel
November 13th, 2009
11:21 am
Euro Wilkins. That’s funny.
OK, two players out of a whole continent. Also, Gasol is lucky KG was out since he got “punked” so bad the year before.
KevinA
November 13th, 2009
11:28 am
http://www.nba.com/hawks/feature/cooper_current.html
Ramon
November 13th, 2009
11:28 am
Ken, if getting CP3 was possible, at this point I don’t even think Sund would let Woody opinion about it stop him. Also Chris Paul has a lot more respect than Joe around the league. If those two had problems I’m pretty sure it’d be Joe who would take the biggest hit. But I can tell by Paul’s frustration he really doesn’t want to be the leading scorer of a team. True enough he is ok with averaging 20 points, but the Hawks clearly have more offensive weapons than NO. I would truly trade JJ for Paul straight up tonight if possible. And I wouldn’t lose a second of sleep.
Duke
November 13th, 2009
11:31 am
Ken, welcome to the ol’ blog. I was hoping you could ask Coach if he was going to try and work Joe Smith and Teague in the game tonight. They both got 2 minutes in New York and I think that is unacceptable.
Ramon
November 13th, 2009
11:32 am
Samuel, all coaches know you have to have some luck on your side to win a ring, every single coach you know will tell you that when not in front of the press. You’ll always hear a coach say hopefully we can stay lucky and avoid the injuries, turnovers, distractions and what ever else.
The main point I’m making is what is the difference between Euro style basketball, and the way Brent Barry, Sean Elliott, Steve Kerr, Glen Rice (who never played defense, Ray Allen (shoots more threes with less defense than anyone I know), and others?
KevinA
November 13th, 2009
11:43 am
From the link.
early in the third quarter with the Hawks down 61-54, Woody effectively went small and sent in Jamal Crawford for Marvin Williams, which gave the Hawks a Bibby/JJ/JC/Smoove/Horford lineup featuring three guards. Six minutes later, the Hawks led 78-71.
The key phrase there is “NBA star,” because that is what Josh is playing like thus far this season. He’s averaging 16 ppg (up about half a point from last season), 7.3 rpg (basically the same as he averaged last season), but he’s averaging a career-high 4.4 assists per game, and has knocked his turnover per game to as low as they’ve been in five seasons. But the most important stat? Josh is averaging a career-high 58-percent shooting from the floor, eighth-best in the NBA, and he has yet to even attempt a three-pointer this season (the last few years he’s averaged at least 1 per game).
Melvin
November 13th, 2009
11:46 am
Ok, I see some valid agruments (with I disagree with) for Teague lack of playing time. However, can some of these same folks explain the lack of playing time for Joe Smith, ZaZa and Jason Collins (although I think he will be a situational player)? Joe Smith and ZaZa have seen some DNPs in the 2nd halfs of several games.
KevinA
November 13th, 2009
11:48 am
Ramon
November 13th, 2009
11:32 am
The main point I’m making is what is the difference between Euro style basketball, and the way Brent Barry, Sean Elliott, Steve Kerr, Glen Rice (who never played defense, Ray Allen (shoots more threes with less defense than anyone I know), and others?
Ray Allen? Might be the Rondo pass – 83 assists. Peirce is even better at the three 19-36. .528%. Dude is on fire.
terrell barron
November 13th, 2009
11:50 am
Melvin, here’s your answer. There is no an answer.
Ramon
November 13th, 2009
11:53 am
Kevin, you’re right, but Pierce at least look like he plays defense on 46% of the plays lol.
terrell barron
November 13th, 2009
11:53 am
Melvin, Zaza is still cashing them checks. Regardless of min. Haha! Maybe he and Joe Smith just didn’t match up well in Woody’s eyes? That’s the only answer I have. So much for adding depth this year.
Ken Sugiura
November 13th, 2009
11:55 am
I’m afraid I didn’t get a ton of answers for you. A lot of the questions were for Joe, and he had to go to a drug test so I missed him. (no cause for alarm; league policy) I’ll post answers when I get back to the hotel.
Right now, I’m waiting for Marvin Williams to finish extra shooting practice. (I imagine the Truth is happy to read that)
game time eight hours away.
Melvin
November 13th, 2009
11:56 am
terrell,
And to think the man requested for more vets and he won’t play them. His coaching style is fustrating to watch.
WAF
Ramon
November 13th, 2009
11:59 am
Ken S., what about Coach Drew?
JeJe
November 13th, 2009
11:59 am
PLEASE REMOVE SEKOU’S NAME FROM THE HAWKS PAGE
Mz. Hawkdafied
November 13th, 2009
12:32 pm
Lordy, lordy, lordy! Sigh! My main concern is the promised depth and not Jeff Teague’s minutes. I wanna know what happened to the promised depth. Its about show and tell for me. You told me all about it in the offseason. Now let me see it. That way when the season ends you can’t blame it on lack of quality reserves. Heck I even got a glimpse of it during the preseason when coach Woodson COULD FIND THE MINUTES. We got teased in the preseason with great rotations and awesome management of minutes. What happened? That’s what I wanna know. Where’s the depth and why is it difficult to utilize the reserves during the regular season? Until I get a clear answer or get a chance to see it for myself I will continue to bring up the question: What happened to the Hawks’ depth?
KevinA
November 13th, 2009
12:32 pm
Woody has made adjustments for Marvin. The last couple of years he has averaged 34 minutes. The last two games his minutes were 23 and 22. To say he does not make adjustments is wrong.
I would say Woody is playing Josh and Al because they are playing the best ball in their careers. Jamal, Bibby and JJ are also off to fast starts.
Until the team slows down or an individual slows down, look for more of the same. Woody is going to ride who’s hot. We may not like it but it’s just the way it is.
JT may have brought his PT problems on himself. He needs to stick to assists and driving when he gets his next chance. Shooting is not his forte. I would give the same advice to Jamal. He is a good shot but the ISO ego shots are not so good. Like JJ the team suffers when they go into that mode. All three can break down defenses and create shots for each other. If you have to shoot – do it off a pass – or better yet drive and finish or do a floater. Attack the basket. Do what you do best.
On a side note – shoot less 3 pt shots. Leave those for Bibby and Evans who are hot. JC/JC – you are not.
KevinA
November 13th, 2009
12:37 pm
Mz. Hawkdafied
November 13th, 2009
12:32 pm
Lordy, lordy, lordy! Sigh! My main concern is the promised depth and not Jeff Teague’s minutes. I wanna know what happened to the promised depth. Its about show and tell for me. You told me all about it in the offseason
We got teased in the preseason with great rotations and awesome management of minutes. What happened?
Just like meeting someone and then getting married. It always looks better in preseason.
Mz. Hawkdafied
November 13th, 2009
12:47 pm
Okay KevinA I can understand it from that point of view to an extent. But shouldn’t the coach let the players know what he sees working for them and what is hurting them. Or do you think he’s telling them but they are not listening?
KevinA
November 13th, 2009
12:56 pm
http://www.hoopinionblog.com/?gcid=C12289×022>kw=Hoopinion
Story on Marvin.
Where is Aroise the true sir links a lot
KevinA
November 13th, 2009
1:11 pm
Mz. Hawkdafied,
That is a great question. I have no clue. I do agree with you that Woody is no master of minutes but Woody being Woody should be no suprise. Bench players do not get the same respect as starters. One bad rotation and your minutes may dissapear for a time. Even Evans who has played great finds it hard to find floor time. I also feel bad for Joe Smith and ZaZa. They also have been fine.
Daniel
November 13th, 2009
1:39 pm
Alright! Enough already! What the Heck are you guys going on and on about minutes for? We have played 8(EIGHT!!!!!!) 8, Eight!, 8 games!!!! This is a 82 game season. Jeff Teague has gotten more minutes than any other rookie pg on a playoff team this year!!! Za and Joe Smith have played plenty and definitely will tongight when the matchups favor it. Horford was going off. If Woody took out Horf last night all of you would be freaking out because he pulled him when he was hot. Remember the LA game and Joe Johnson?
What you are complaining about is just not true. One game in NY (a win mind you) after a 3 day lay off where Teague did not get into the game, is not a reason to sound the alarm!!!
Daniel
November 13th, 2009
1:45 pm
Just curious would you be happier with a Hawks loss and whatever imaginary minute distribution you have in your head gets met?
The argument for different minute distribution is based on developing a rotation for a long season and keeping starters fresh, right? Well, then you need to look at the season as a whole, look at where the minutes come from (home/away) when they come(after a break, on a back to back, etc..) and the matchups of that given team. Unless you look at those issues you have no business deciding what kind of rotation this team should have anyway, you are just being as narrow minded and stubborn as you accuse Woody of being.
No NBA insider even takes things like stats, minutes played, etc. seriously as trends until you have played at least 20 games.
Mz. Hawkdafied
November 13th, 2009
1:48 pm
LOL @Daniel. Now you see how I feel when you guys constantly discuss trades that will never happen. Okay I will leave the rotation and minutes alone and chillax. And nobody said take Horford out, what are you talking about?
Melvin
November 13th, 2009
1:50 pm
Daniel,
Are you saying the Jeff has gotten more playing time the Ty Lawson has with the Nuggets? I can’t look it up at the moment by I don’t think Teague has played more than Lawson.
MannyT
November 13th, 2009
1:55 pm
Melvin,
Ty Lawson averages about 22 mpg versus Teague’s 12 mpg.
In the head to head game Lawson played 27 mins while Teague played 16.
No surprise given Woody’s past history with rookies–especially rookie guards.
BWAF
Mz. Hawkdafied
November 13th, 2009
1:55 pm
Daniel calm your but down. This blog is filled with opinions. No opinion matters more than the other. now its okay to make an argument against what is stated. But I don’t think anyone commenting on this blog is an NBA expert. And sometimes experts are wrong. Never accused Woodson of being narrow minded. Just wanted to know where the depth went.
cp
November 13th, 2009
1:57 pm
lol terrell barron great post. The funny thing is that some on here just refuse to admit that the same thing Law went through is now happening to Teague… As you said he comes in and gives the ball to Crawford. Kevin A what ego shot is Teague taking? When I see him come in he penetrates and gets his teammates involved. Look at his assist numbers then look at his minutes. Then go look at our starting pg’s assist numbers. The young guy is better at setting up his teammates than our starting pg….. ray good comparison with the Hornets team. People keep yelling its only 8 games into the season but once again Woodson has done this before. Its not like he has a track record for doing anything different. Until i see some change I’m going to keep talking about it. And I don’t think Teague has played more minutes as a rookie pg on a playoff team, you might want to look that info up because I think its wrong.
Melvin
November 13th, 2009
2:07 pm
CP,
In the link I sent last night on Teague, Mo Evans talks about how Teague makes the game easier for him and his teammates. Bottom line, Woody refuses/fail to play any of his young PGs extended mins. It started with Salim, Acie and now Teague. Heck, can he at least give Teague some Royal Ivey mins. I bet he will produce more than Ivey… Just saying..
Daniel
November 13th, 2009
2:20 pm
MannyT in the Nuggets vs. Hawks game. 1) The Hawks won. 2) The Nuggets were playing the last night of a long road trip. 3) Lawson is the #1 pg off the bench, we have Crawford getting minutes there too.
Mz. Hawkdafied: 1) I was not directing my comments at you personally, just the tenor of the blog in general. So no disrespect. You know I think you always come with the good stuff. So, sorry if you felt I was giving you a hard time. We cool?
KevinA
November 13th, 2009
2:20 pm
Were just bored and pumped to see the 9th chapter in this years saga. I hope the bench gets all the minutes and go 100% FG% and have 60 assists. Better?
MannyT
November 13th, 2009
2:21 pm
Royal Ivey never seemed to fit in here. That whole start and sit thing was just weird. Looked like someone said Woody HAD TO start him…so he did.
Nevertheless, Ivey is still in the league (Philly) getting 9 mins/game at the bottom of the bench.
BWAF
Melvin
November 13th, 2009
2:26 pm
Daniel,
As for the Nuggest game, keep in mind that the Hawks just came off west coast trip and a back to back game with the Bobcats. So both teams should’ve had heavy legs.
MannyT,
The point I was making about Ivey was he got the consistent 5-10mis of playing time b/c he started. Give Teague that consistency and we will see better results.
KevinA
November 13th, 2009
2:34 pm
cp,
Kevin A what ego shot is Teague taking? That comment was about JJ and JC when they dribble, dribble, dribble and then shoot. Sry about the confusion.
In the Denver JT game he went 1-9. He should play like Rando – 83 assists with 80 shots. Key being more assists than shots. That makes everybody happy.
KevinA
November 13th, 2009
2:40 pm
Melvin,
I like Bibby starting but pull him after 6 min and give JT the next 6. If they did the same thing in the second half. He would at least get his 12 per. I do like Bibby fresh in the 4th qt if he’s hot. I think Jamal is so hot he gets those minutes. Woody loves a hot vet.
Melvin
November 13th, 2009
2:45 pm
On a side note,
If Josh has a monster game against the Celtics tonight on National TV and the Hawks win (considering the Hawks finished have a win record at the All-Star break) that may be enough to punch his All-Star ticket. Heck, a few extra high flying dunks and blocks he could be starting next to Lebron…LOL. This could be a coming out party for Josh…
Daniel
November 13th, 2009
2:50 pm
Teague is currently getting 12 minutes a game on average which places him around 20th league in minutes for rookies. Yes, Lawson is averaging more with Denver (who doesn’t have a Crawford type player). But, 12 minutes a game for a rookie pg? Is that not enough minutes? What is he supposed to get 20?
I just don’t see where Teague is suddenly this forgotten player because of the Knicks game.
Daniel
November 13th, 2009
2:52 pm
Melvin- I totally hope you are right about Josh, but I think it is still too early for the All-Star thing. He is playing great so far though. I am not arguing with you that Josh is playing All-Star calibre; I just have less faith in the national media and audience to notice it.
Grandad
November 13th, 2009
2:52 pm
FOOD FOR THOUGHT:
1st – Samuel; weighing in on the Euro topic[I realize I missed a great deal of the discussion] but are you putting all Euro’s in the same category (skills). If so that would lead to a further debate:
1. T.Parker – quick
2. P.Gasol – not a stiff
3. Is Nash considered a Euro?
4. What about S. Americans?
5. Dirk…most assuredly an excellent player (agreed, no def.).
Just curious? > by the way > Gasol was the key player in the
Lakers championship. Not saying he’s better than Kobe
just that he was the missing ingredient.
Daniel > Some of that was for you. Pau Gasol one of the best
players in the league. Top ten? I didn’t say ability
I said players. Sometimes it’s not how much ath.
ability you have but how you play the game. The mindset
to submit yourself for the greater good. Just referencing
your remark about my ability to judge talent, and my idea
that more goes into it than pure ability. (”AI”)
Daniel, I did not intend this to be antagonistic.
Samuel again: KG did outplay Gasol (2 yrs. ago) and I must say I
rank K.Garnett as an all-timer.
My choice for a front line:
3- Battier
4- KG
5- Gasol
backups- Big Al, and Troy Murphy
Well rounded, multi faceted, team players.
Hawks best lineup:
*** 3 guard rotation *** ‘J.Teague would get significant min.’
4 – Josh…Al would back up
5 – Big Al…Zaza would play alot.
*** Bigger lineup when needed – Play Josh @ the 3, Al 4, Zaza 5
[Josh/slasher not a bomber]
Oh yeah Go Hawks
*one whole post and no critical remarks about “_____”
The Truth
November 13th, 2009
2:54 pm
Ken S
Thanks for the update. Nice to know our comments are being translated to the players and coaching staff.
Daniel
Good point; I love your passion of positive prospective. Yes, some bloggers are getting ahead of themselves as just winning is not enough. They want to win a certain way. They want the play to be cast a different way as it was scripted. But we all know this is not an actual acting play, this is live NBA Basketball. The coach in this case (not a director) has to adjust to real events as they happen. As previously mentioned, Woody, like most coaches, will go with the hot hand even if it is contrary to his plans. But we shouldn’t read too much into an isolated game until there is enough of a pattern. However, after witnessing the AC Law experiment, I can also relate to their concern though premature as it might be. Since Woody has a vested interest in Teague success, I do believe that during the course of this season, Teague will get an opportunity to make a difference in key games. But any extended playing time has to be earned and will not be automated. Playing under Woody, Teague has to be ready and play with a chip on his shoulder if he wants Woody’s attention. Instead of playing the “nice guy role” (as AC Law did), he needs to play mad or angry and impose his will. I’m surprise Josh hasn’t tipped him about this already since this was his past playbook. It’s called athletic arrogance.
Daniel
November 13th, 2009
2:59 pm
Grandad- Total respect. good post. Nash is not a Euro though. (Canadian, I know you know, but he has played only in the States)
question for you, I love Teague, you know that too. How many minutes is significant? Right now he is averaging 12 a game.
Melvin
November 13th, 2009
2:59 pm
Daniel,
It was just food for thought. If Josh keeps up the good play, we may
find his trip plays to Dallas for the All-Star game…
As for Teague, I would just like to see him play more during competitive games such as the Lakers, Knicks and Kings games. Woody tighten up the rotation and Teague sat the bench in those games…
littile dave
November 13th, 2009
3:01 pm
cant wait for tonight (tomorrow morning) ,its the first time i can watch the hawks on tv in england.they have never been on before, so its good bye to nba rip off .com GOOD TIMES
cp
November 13th, 2009
3:15 pm
Melvin I didnt see that link Can you re post it so I can read the article….KevinA ok I see what you’re saying now. In defense of Teague, I thought he got fouled at least 3 times going to the hole with no call. He does a great job of getting his teammates the ball so I’m not worried about his assist at all….. Law averaged more minutes than Teague has so far this year…The reason I want to see the kid get more minutes is because he does something not many of our guards do, penetrates and dishes the ball of creating easy shots for guys like Mo and Pachulia. Crawford is the only other guard who dies this.. Bibby is a spot up shooter at this point..
Daniel
November 13th, 2009
3:15 pm
Congrats littile dave: I am a Liverpool fan here and we finally started getting the UEFA league on Fox Sports South. Of course just in time for Gerard to get hurt and the team play like $#%*#$. But, that is another issue.
Melvin, the three games you mentioned were also on the road. I hear you that you want more Teague in crunch time. So who sits then? Johnson, Crawford or Bibby? You know the guy is only 19.
cp
November 13th, 2009
3:15 pm
I meant to say Law averaged more minutes his rookie year than Teague has so far.
Daniel
November 13th, 2009
3:16 pm
Melvin- I am 100% with you on Josh.
Grandad
November 13th, 2009
3:26 pm
Daniel: It’s not so much the amount of minutes but the consistency
with which their dispersed. Example; 20 min. in a blowout, win or loss,
avgd. wi. 0 min. in a game with real live [game situations] could avg. out to 12 or so but would not be meaningful. He needs quality playing time with the 1st unit + Jamal/Zaza. Honestly I have discovered that the best way to go about that is to start a player and then you do not have to worry about it if the game is tight or “crunch” time. Plus thats when you want Bibby in the game anyway. To answer your question,
I would guess @ least 30 % of the game. After all isn’t he the future
if and when[whomever]decides to have championship aspirations and not settle for 4th place and 2nd round?
Melvin
November 13th, 2009
3:35 pm
CP,
Here’s the link to the Teague article i posted last night.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=14314
Daniel
November 13th, 2009
3:42 pm
Grandad- 30% of the game is roughly 12 minutes, which is what he is getting. Any concern about putting his development ahead of team goals? Should a 19 year old rookie be asked to play crunch time on the road in his first month in the NBA? Seems like your criteria for the most part are being met.
Daniel
November 13th, 2009
3:43 pm
I don’t think the team or the fans are settling for fourth place and the 2cd round.
Melvin
November 13th, 2009
3:55 pm
Daniel,
Maybe my post was a little confusing in regards to Teague. I just want to see him get more mins on a consistent basis, I was not saying he has to/should be in there at crunch time. But there are opportunities to play him during the end/start of the 1/2 and 3/4 qtrs. I wasn’t saying he should be rush into crunch time action unless he’s very effective during a particular game which is probably the rule that you can apply for every player on the team. Ride the hot guy to finished the game.
Mike is back
November 13th, 2009
4:04 pm
Ken what’s up,
My question to Woody…has he considered bringing Marvin of the bench to help him work through his struggles and regain some confidence.
Another question to Woody…would he considered a lineup of JJ, Bibby, Smoove at SF, Joe Smith at PF, and AL at center…or JJ, Bibby, Smoove at SF, AL at PF, and Zaza at center should Marvin struggles continue.
The reason I asked the question is that if Woody would to seriously consider bringing Marvin off the bench…unlike most…I think that Woody would have to go with a big to compensate for the loss of Marvin size and length…unless it’s a team like NY. Heh heh
My question to Marvin…have you considered going back to your mid-range game, penetrating and going to the hole more to get your rhythm back, perhaps that could help you get your mojo back.
My question to Joe Smith…what the biggest difference in the Hawks offensive scheme versus the previous scheme he has played in.
On the subject of playing time for the reserves and mixing up the rotations…I have read some very compelling arguments that are right on point. However, I cannot criticize Woody when the team is 6-2. I would have love to seen Teague matched up against Douglas…that’s not the last game we play against NY…it could still happen. Nor can I overlook the improved play by the team. Right now they are on pace to double their road wins…Al and Josh are getting more touches in the post…like I said about BIG SHOT BIBBY on the previous blog…this is a tough crowd.
I think tonight’s game is huge for the Hawks…one because they have been listless against the elite teams of the league in PRIME TIME. Two because Boston will definitely by out to send a message and remove any doubt about whether the Hawks can compete with them. Three the Hawks seldom get to play in the limelight…so I’m sure hoping the Hawks want to send a message of their own. If the Hawks can compete with Boston…then they can compete with anyone.
I JUST DON’T WANT TO SEE SHELLHEAD HAVE HIS CAREER NIGHT AGAINST US…that would be too much stomach. lol
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MannyT
November 13th, 2009
4:04 pm
Daniel, I put the minutes up there because Melvin made the inquiry.
I think Melvin made the key point. Give Teague some consistency like Ivey got. No need to start him. If Teague knows he gets 5 minutes in the 2nd quarter every game (unless he is making major mistakes) it will give him some of the consistency that players use to understand their roles.
(For example, in the Chills days, he usually came into the game halfway though the 1st quarter for Marvin.)
The minutes Teague gets in the 2nd half are based on how he plays and the situation.
This would be better than sometimes you play, sometimes you don’t…unless Woody is a psychologist. And if he is a psychologist, his methods have not done much for most of the younger players.
BWAF
Johnny Hazeltine
November 13th, 2009
4:15 pm
I’m just saying:
DO NOT resign Joe Johnson this offseason. While he has been great for the Hawks, they’d be in much better shape if they saved their money for the summer of 2012 when CHRIS PAUL becomes a free agent. You know he’s not coming back to New Orleans, and Bibby’s contract will expire that very same summer. Chris Paul can/should wear a Hawks uniform!
Johnny Hazeltine
November 13th, 2009
4:20 pm
Maybe the Hawks could sign McGrady for a two year deal while waiting for Paul.
Celts Win Again
November 13th, 2009
4:21 pm
Not only will the Hawks lose tonight, I can even tell you who will hurt them the most; Rhondo and just to tweak you Sheldon Williams.
KevinA
November 13th, 2009
4:25 pm
MannyT,
I am with you on JT consistent minutes at the same time in the 1st or 2nd qt. I would include Jamal, ZaZa and Evans. After the 1st set of rotations then play the hot or better players. I would think this would help with chemistry issues also. Your top 9 players at least get shot at showing up. I vote you for Woody for a day.
KevinA
November 13th, 2009
4:33 pm
Celts Win Again,
I think Rondo is great and glad Sheldon is playing good. If we bring our A game the win will be in question. We have lost like 9 in a row and the Celtics are very good but we are getting better every year. At some point soon the tide will turn. Over the next 4 years our core players will be in their prime. Yours will be in the Hall of Fame.
Grandad
November 13th, 2009
4:34 pm
Daniel: perhaps I should have been a little more specific “@ least 30 %”
maybe I should have said 33 %, or 1/3rd of the game. Hard #’s;
16-18m min. But I was trying not to put hard numbers on the premis.
Please listen carefully, his development WILL ‘enhance’ the Hawks
ability to reach and exceed team goals . Also, which part of my criteria about meaningful, quality playing time (30 %) is being met.
12 min. of mop up does not count.
I do not think our fans are settling either,that reference, was to our HC who publicly stated that we are not a contender (paraphrase). If we were considered a Title contender, then he would feel even more pressure. I’m really not certain, he ever wants to get to that level and have the pressure that goes with those expectations.
Wait…give him a 5 yr. contract??? This is what, his 6th yr., 7th yr.? How long does it take before the HC has championship expectations?
boston vs hawks
November 13th, 2009
4:34 pm
By Marc D’Amico
November 13, 2009
Celtics.com
When most people think about the Celtics and the Hawks, they think about Bird and Dominique defining greatness, to paraphrase Brent Musburger. Heck, former Hawk Doc Rivers might even think of those times when Boston and Atlanta are on the court together.
But most people isn’t all people. Those of you who are 25 years and under have another memory, one that’s much more recent.
The classic seven-game series Boston and Atlanta battled through during the 2008 postseason enveloped the term David vs. Goliath. It’s a series that remains fresh in all of our minds, especially for Generation Z fans. For them, that memorable series is what has defined their notion of Celtics vs. Hawks.
It’s probably the most heated rivalry the Celtics have in the Eastern Conference outside of their division, and it will be rekindled at 8 p.m. tonight on ESPN.
The core of both rosters will be there once again tonight, but there are some obvious changes to note. Boston has bolstered their lineup with three offseason acquisitions (Rasheed Wallace, Marquis Daniels and Shelden Williams) who have added great depth and performed very well on the court. In Atlanta, the streak-shooting Jamal Crawford is now on board and Josh Smith has finally learned to play within his boundaries.
If prompted, both teams would probably claim that they are better now than they were a year and a half ago. It’d be hard to argue with that belief. The Celtics may be nearly two years older, but they’re as hungry and stacked as ever. Atlanta’s young nucleus of players is starting to develop and their bench has much more punch than it did.
Whether you believe that or not, one thing is for certain. Tonight’s game will allow two of the top teams in the Eastern Conference to battle it out in front of a national television audience. The C’s are currently the top seed in the East at 8-1 and the Hawks are right on their heels in the third seed at 6-2.
Make no mistake about it; this is a statement game for both teams. There’s a reason this game will be broadcast on national television. The Celtics made their statement in the TD Garden during Game 7 of that 2008 series. Let’s see who makes their statement in that building tonight.
Daniel
November 13th, 2009
4:36 pm
OK, so now the issue is when Teague gets his minutes, and if they are consistent… well, then I go back to it has only been 8 games, so it is impossible to make a determination about anything from a consistency standpoint.
Manny and Melvin: I do get where you guys are coming from, but there seemed to be more hysteria about minutes than was really warranted. Or maybe I was just being hysterical myself?
Peace everyone, chat again on Monday.
Go Hawks!!!
boston vs hawks
November 13th, 2009
4:36 pm
Ray Allen vs. Joe Johnson
Ray Allen is one of the top shooters in NBA history and Joe Johnson is cementing himself in as one of the premiere players currently in the league. Both of these players will play extremely important roles in tonight’s game.
Allen started out the season with a hot hand, but his numbers have recently dipped to 14.8 PPG and only 34.2 percent shooting from 3-point range. His shooting is key for the Celtics, not only because his threes provide a deadly threat to the defense, but also because Boston has seemingly become one of the most 3-point-happy teams in the league. They’re taking 25.19 percent of their shots from behind the 3-point line, which is the ninth-most in the league. But considering that the Celtics are a predominantly half court team and that three of their top nine players (Allen, Wallace and Eddie House) combine to take half of their shots from beyond the arc, it’s becoming a trend.
Allen is on the court more than Wallace and House, so his 3-point shooting is critical to the C’s. If Boston is going to continue their winning ways this season, he’s going to need to relocate his stroke.
Johnson can hit the deep ball, but he’s more of a do-it-all player. He’s a deadly scorer, he rebounds, he assists and he can play shut down defense when he wants to. He is the leader of the Hawks and, for the most part, they go as he goes. Although there is plenty of talent around him, defenses have a much easier time defending the Hawks when Johnson is off of his game. He’ll need to perform like the All-Star he is to give his team a chance tonight in the Garden.
These two shooting guards will be going at each other all night long, and their performances may be what leads their team to victory. Johnson will probably be defended by the likes of Paul Pierce and Marquis Daniels as well, while Allen will likely see plenty of time against the aforementioned Crawford.
bigdave
November 13th, 2009
4:36 pm
i hate this guy but… this was just brutal… somebody get Grady on the line…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSA_Di2vliU
boston vs hawks
November 13th, 2009
4:37 pm
All the stars have aligned for this matchup: it’s Friday night in Boston; the game has been selected for primetime on ESPN; the Hawks are already surprising many in the NBA; and, most of all, the rivalry can be renewed.
Boston is eight points away from being undefeated this season and Atlanta has already had impressive wins over the Nuggets and Trail Blazers and hung close with the defending champion Lakers.
This one could go a long way toward launching Atlanta into the top tier of the Eastern Conference, but the C’s want to ground these high-flying Hawks.
Celts Win Again
November 13th, 2009
4:37 pm
Nobody cares about four years from now, this is a win now league you plan to win four years from now and you don’t, you waste four years. You plan on winning now with an eye on the future. Wouldn’t LeBron look smart in Celtic green?
boston vs hawks
November 13th, 2009
4:39 pm
Yeah, I saw that Wade dunk last night.
Amazing!!!
bigdave
November 13th, 2009
4:43 pm
judging on our last few performances before a national audience on the road, im just hoping we show up…
Celts Win Again
November 13th, 2009
4:43 pm
Celts by 20
boston vs hawks
November 13th, 2009
4:44 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhGeQWOHwHQ
The video you seen before.
Celts Win Again
November 13th, 2009
4:44 pm
Celtics bench plays the entire fourth quarter.
Celtic Spy
November 13th, 2009
4:49 pm
Acie Law is way better than Teague!
Jody
November 13th, 2009
6:21 pm
The Knicks had a small front line. Let’s see what they do against a real frontcourt tonight.
Celts Win Again
November 13th, 2009
6:44 pm
Eddie House breaks out of his slump tonight and Celtics bench outscores the Hawks starters.
Celts Win Again
November 13th, 2009
6:51 pm
Joe Johnson, down by 30 at halftime, makes plans to sign with the Celtics next year for cheap money so that he might win a championship.
Celts Win Again
November 13th, 2009
7:06 pm
This is some blog.
Celts Win Again
November 13th, 2009
7:15 pm
The Hawk fan must be busy.
Ken Strickland
November 13th, 2009
7:19 pm
SAMUEL-you’re a piece of work. Don’t put all of your eggs in one basket, or on one performance. There was once a regular season gm scheduled between the U of Houston and UCLA. EHayes and KJabbar were the 2 teams respective stars. Houston won the gm and Jabbar got punked or outplayed by Hayes. Well, as fate would have it, they met again in the NCAA playoffs, and Hayes and his Houston team got punked by Jabbar and the Bruins. UCLA won the NCAA title.
I said that to say, just because a player got punked or outplayed in one gm, doesn’t mean he’s less of a player, and/or will get punked or outplayed the next time they meet. I guess it’s easy to single out one game and pass judgement when you think or see things from such a narrowminded one dimensional perspective.
terrell barron
November 13th, 2009
9:08 pm
Hanging tough so far. Teague and Collins playing in the 1st half? Wtf!
terrell barron
November 13th, 2009
10:14 pm
JJ dribbles too .uckin much!