Big shoes to fill

Want to see them bench or get rid of Marvin Williams. Welcome.

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Well Ken, I guess you are the man for now huh. I wish you all the success in coverning the team in the interim. As for the hawks on this road trip, beating the knicks and boston would be a overwhelming successful trip, but to split and come home and win two in a row would give the hawks an 8-3 record which to me is excellent when they have played 6 out of the first 11 on the road.

The defense must step up and I think the problem is slow rotation to perimeter shooters, they are not rotating quickly therefore leaving for wide open uncontested 3’s, and that to me is a lack of effort more than anything. We will see over the next two games if that improves. And by the way Big ups to Sekou for all he did for us Hawks fans by keeping us fans close to the team and informed. Good luck Sekou on your new gig.

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Welcome Ken,
We are a hearty group of regulars on here. It won’t take long to pick up on that.
1-1 is the floor, “must be accomplished” 2-0 is fantastic, 0-2 is disaster.
Does that answer the question?
I still am less interested in the number of losses (I mean .500 on the road is acceptable) It is the way we lose that matters. If Boston beats us, so be it, but if we do one of our implosions with a 20 point beat down, well that is just….. sorry.

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A 1-1 road trip is fine. Making it close vs Boston would be nice too.

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1-1.

Are we conceding the game against the Celtics already? Knicks are as good as the 2004 Hawks team.

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Welcome Mr. Sugiura

The Hawks need to go 2-0 on this trip because of the opponents. The Knicks are a bad team so we need to contiue to beat the teams we should beat. The Boston Celtics have dominated us the last 2 years. We are 3-11 against them in that span including the playoffs. If the team is much improved show it by beating a contender on the road. Besides Boston has dominated you on the road and at home its time to get that mojo back. Show the world this team is serious about contending.

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Welcome Ken! And good luck!

Have you guys seen any calls on the “new” traveling rule? I haven’t but here’s my thoughts on it.

http://thesportsdebates.com/category/tsd/the-nba%e2%80%99s-two-step-traveling-rule-debate/

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Welcome Ken,

The Nicks has to be considered a must win with Boston an opportunity to pull an upset and shock the league. Are you going to join us during the games?

What was our record against the Nicks last year. If I remember right we split the series. This is our chance to pick up games over last years record on our way to 50+ wins.

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agreed, hawks need to beat the celts… they can’t keep on making the excuse of “theyre just a better team”… i remember joe smith mentioning in an interview that they need to go out there believing that they can beat any time they face, so yeah, 2 for 2 please!

and yes, welcome!

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Welcome to the blog, Ken. See if you can encourage Sekou to provide a ’so long’ blog so the bloggers can give him a proper sendoff.

While Woody would like .500 on the road and probably .750 at home, that would result in a 50 win season. It is a start but I believe we should have higher expectations now, especially when you consider the road the team has taken to get to this point.

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Don’t forget to vote in your Hawks in the All-Star ballot.

http://www.nba.com/

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FIRE MIKE WOODSON

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Ramon, I don’t give a darn about LBJ, KB24, or D Wade and what they would say right now. I’m a Hawks fan and neither of those guys are on the Hawks squad. I’m just concerned with keeping the Hawks team oriented. Unless you think scoring 50 pts is better than winning the game. I don’t have a problem with him saying that either or dropping fifty point as long as the team wins. Ramon I am an NBA fan so I know all about the hoopla of Madison Square Gardens. The only info I wanna hear about MSG 2day is the Hawks defeated the Knicks.

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Welcome aboard, Ken.

Hawks need to let JJ go this summer and go after D.Wade or LeBron. THey both know we are on the cusp of being the best team in the East. We just need a leader with more heart. They would both welcome playing here and it’s not out of the question

And watch J-Craw drop 35 tonight

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Welcome aboard Ken,

The group is great. But you will find I ( Mister Phil(formerly scoobysnacks) and not Phil) get very little acknowledgement despite an obvious wealth of sports prognasicating talent. Also, if Marvin doesn’t get his butt into gear the next two weeks he absolutely has to go.

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How can you complain about Josh Smith right now? I mean no three so far? Who’da thunk it.

Welcome aboard Ken!

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Ken,

Welcome and good luck. I look forward to your coverage of the team and although I will miss Sekou, I hope you will bring a new, fresh perspective.

As for success on this trip, I would definitely consider going 1-1 on this trip a success after the hectic travel schedule that we have recently endured. As poor as this team has been on the road in this decade, I don’t take ANY road wins for granted.

I agree with Ken Strickland that the NY game is the more important game of the two (although I would LOVE to see us beat BOS). I think Woody’s goal of going .500 on the road requires that we learn to consistently beat teams like NY on the road.

I would like to see us go out and establish our D tonight and not get caught up in NY’s run and gun style. It is going to be VERY hard to resist playing at their tempo and that can be dangerous as any team can get hot on a given night. Not saying we shouldn’t run (we should definitely take advantage of their poor transition D) but we just need to play D, hit the boards and control the tempo.

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Welcome Ken: Don’t worry about your wealth of knowledge…I’m quite certain there are those/we on this board who are willing to
“share the wealth.”

Ms Hawkdafied: No one is about “Team” more than myself. However, I think Jamal’s remark was fairly innocuous.

Rod: If you are truly Diesel, then I would like to see one of your Marv,
trades of the day, for Javale McGee, and work the #’s.

Why should we be content wi. a 1-1 rd.trip. Once again Woody; “I want to go .500 on the road.” Do you think the Lakers,Spurs,Celts, have that mindset ? NO! I imagine they feel as if they are gonna win each game, before tip-off. They do not build in an excuse. Do you really think the elite teams think .500 on the road and are satisfied with mediocrity ?
For Woody to set the bar that low is manure. Who was it who said:
“Shoot for the stars and if you fall short you still hit the moon” ?

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Grandad- If you think that San Antonio, LA, Boston, etc… Go in to every game and road trip fighting at all costs then you don’t watch the NBA very much. You know this is an 82 game season, not 12 games. It is a grind. Teams work to manage minutes and bodies, esp. the teams you mentioned. You play trips like series in baseball. You know take 2 out of 3 etc… Now, as a fan I want my team to win every night of course. But, managing a teams emotions over an 82 game season requires a more realistic approach than just “give 110% everynight”. Clevland tried to prove something in the regular season last year, How did that work out?
No blow out losses and a split of these two games and we are fine.

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ill be at the game…..hope craw gets his revenge last year when he came back wit GS he had 21/10/6 but they lost a close 1

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give marvin up for capt jack!!!

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Regarding your latest comment, I’m just glad Josh figured out he wasn’t Steve Kerr.

No crazy threes. Just attack the basket on both ends and let your athleticism guide you, Mr. Smith.

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Daniel: You proved my point – baseball> win 2 out of 3, okay… thats preferable over .500. You are correct I don’t watch much NBA other than the Hawks. My preference is the college game (hawks aside). But I have spent a professional lifetime laboring/learning/loving the greatest game on earth. I Most ‘Strongly Disagree’ that those aforementioned teams don’t make an effort @ attaining 100% effort every night: I refer
to the ‘08 Cetics, ‘86 Celtics, and didn’t the Bulls win 70+[the yr. escapes me] ? I cannot imagine Jordan, Bird, et al, not giving 100% on any given night. I realize it’s a marathon, not a sprint, however I’m talking about a mindset. BY the way the fellas are paid top dollar to perform EVERY night. Mickey Mantle once said:(about playing
hurt/injured) “I would hate to think that a fan traveled to see me play and it be the only opportunity in his/her lifetime and I sat out that game or I did not give my best.” Last point; if the Hawks mail
it in, we (on this board) will be the 1st to scream.

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Marvin Williams for Stephen Jackson makes this a championship team?

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Personally, I LOVE that so many guys have spoken out about our lack of effort/execution on D. Sounds to me like Woody is getting through. I thnk it is GREAT that Woody was getting on guys for failing to execute defensively in the DEN blowout. I think it is GREAT that JJ, Smoove, Al and Marv have all spoken up about our defensive shortcomings in one way or another. We really need to have more focus on the defensive end if we are going to take that next step.

I don’t think Woody’s system is the problem, it is the lack of execution that has been a problem. Apparently, some guys are not even consistently calling out switches which is leading to two guys jumping on the same guy leaving the other guy wide open. That is nothing but a lack of focus.

If I were Woody, I would tighten up that focus by subbing for guys who don’t call out the switch on the very next possession. I wouldn’t keep them out long but I would send the message that they needed to CALL the switch EVERY time whether it seemed to be obvious or not.

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Traceman,

As many have said how do you switch with Bibby and Teague. When that defense worked well is when Chills was running the point at the end of games. All had long arms and were good defenders. With Jamal, Teague and Bibby it will never work.

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Don’t think that Rod is Diesel. Their writing styles are nothing alike.

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WELCOME KEN

FIRE WOODY

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DID GIVE UP THE BIG PLAY RAY SAY FIRE MIKE WOODSON? Ken Strickland we have another follower.

Next thing you know he’s gonna start saying sign Sean Williams.

FIRE WOODY

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The key to the switching D with Bibby, Teague and Crawford is communication and execution. First of all, the players don’t HAVE to switch every time. If no switch is called, the players stay with their men, fighting through picks as necessary. Howevver, when the switch IS called and those guys end up on a bigger guy, the other players have to recognize it and double accordingly. The double has to come from the right place and the other players have to recognize where the shooters are on the floor. You shouldn’t leave a good 3 pt shooter to cover a poor shooter, even if the poor shooter is wide open.

The switching D can and DOES work when executed properly, even with Bibby, Teague or Crawford on the floor. Obviously, it is not going to work as well as it did with Chillz in there but it can work.

I’ve watched both Bibby and Crawford enough throughout the course of their careers to know that neither of them have EVER been good 1 on 1 defenders. Asking them to defend man to man with no help/switching is a recipe for disaster. Woody’s system actually camouflages their defensive deficiencies better than any other system they have ever played in.

Expecting Bibby, Crawford or Teague (at least at this stage of his career) to guard the better PGs or SGs one on one is just not realistic. Unfortunately, there are no Mookie’s on the team.

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If you guys are looking for followers on the ditch Coach Woodson train, consider me another caboose. I am not impressed at all by him, to be honest…

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Unless we go into a tailspin Woody is here till the end of the season. Why beat a dead horse.

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I would prefer to see Al get a 20 pt 15 rebound game. Marvin and Evans go off. Joe Smith get quality minutes. JT out run everybody. JJ and Jamal set Hawks record in assists. Josh with 8 blocks and 7 assists.

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j smoovvvvvvv

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Man bibby’s defense is atrocious.

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hawks shots are just not going in

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Josh crossover!

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Hah…’Nique isn’t hard to clown, bigdave ….lol…

Surprised we’re tied up at 16, what with our horrendous shooting percentage.

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get horford out

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our defense is terrible

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Put teague in

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This is some bullsh_t

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yuck.

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Get JJ out of there. Indecisive, dribbling INTO double teams, giving up on D.

Hard to watch.

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Yeah, bring in Teague. Hawks better be careful. I see the Bobcats all over again. 2-0 on this trip will not be acceptable.

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im with you bone on espn

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Man is getting techs the only thing woodys bald head is good for.

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They put douglas out there but dumb woodson doesn’t wanna put teague out there. this is why I can’t stand him.

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Bone: We struggle because it’s an 82 game season. It’s a grind. They cannot be expected to give total effort at all times. Woody only expects them to win half their road games anyway. I suppose he decided
to coast tonight and go all out against the Celts. I’m sorry Daniel I couldn’t resist.

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Dang Woodson, maybe Teague and Crawford would have been a nice change of pace. Bibby aint giving us much anyway. Why is he so infacuated with our starters!!

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The Hawks, and Joe Johnson in particular, look like they would rather be anywhere else in the world right now.

The fact that the Knicks are only up by 10 speaks to how bad that team is. Any contender would be doubling up the Hawks by now.

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Hawks road woes = The curse of Mike Woodson’s bald, gleaming cranium

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Wher in the hell is Jeff Teague. Damm you Woody! Give the kid some min. Dont wait until there’s 1 freakin min left in the quarter. I’m tired of this nonsense.

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Two things I’ve noticed so far:
1) We play horrible defense! All the switching we do is allowing New York to exploit mismatches. And doesn’t help that Bibby can’t guard anyone on the floor right now.

2) We don’t rebound well either. There’s too much standing around when the ball goes up in the air. Too many second chance points and dead balls. We need to rebound and defend! We are looking below average against a cellar dweller like NY.

You gotta blame Woodson for our flaws

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Bone: I agree wholeheartedly. my last post was tongue in cheek. See page one and you’ll understand.

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Tony Doglass can start over Hughes, but Teague cant get any min backing up Bibby? Wtf? What has Bibby done in the 1st half to warrant not giving Teague some time?

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LMAO..LOL.. im sorry but this defense is a joke..

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Good lord. I hate to pile on, and the team is not doing well on defense….but on offense , JJ is literally killing us.

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Terrell, its not Bibby who’s killing us. Bibby is actually doing decent on offense. He’s playing better than 2 other starters. Right now it is JJ and his superstar wannabe attempts and drives that are messing this team and game up. The problem that I have with it is, if the team is needing ball movement, and Joe is still trying to play ISO, what’s going to happen Friday and Saturday?

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WTF WAS THAT. WHY DIDN’T JJ PASS THAT TO JOSH

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this is madness…

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Guys, you shouldn’t be upset…we can’t be expected to give 110% effort
each and every night. we must save something for the playoffs. Once again Daniel; I couldn’t help my facetiousness.

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I cant help but think that Joe comments may have cause more damage than we believe (i could be wrong). This team are playing like they have issues thats bigger than basketball…

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Tonight, I’m so glad Joe didn’t sign that extension in the offseason. If he continues to play like this, he may be a lot cheaper than what he would’ve signed. And may get something good in a sign and trade for the Hawks.

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a D- League player… wow.. its halftime…

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Even with as bad as the hawks have played…we are still only down 7 at the half

GOOD teams will fight back and win this game like they are supposed to against such weaker comp…

BAD teams roll over, complain and look equally as bad in the 2nd half….

lets see what these guys can do….

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Don’t know what’s happened to Marvin. He was consistently a guy who could get you 12-14 points and 5 boards a game, along with some decent defense.

Here lately, he’s stunk it up, and Mo Evans has done better than him on both ends of the court.

Questions: Where was Teague, and WHY didn’t Crawford get more minutes?

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Big Ray blame Woodson. Once again he doesn’t know what he’s doin

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While we are all wildly speculating as to what could be the Hawks’ problem, could it be that the players have tuned out Woodson?

Clearly many of us — myself included — have been critical of Woodson for a long time, but for most of that time I haven’t gotten the sense that the players ever actually tuned him out. Sure, Woody and Josh had their dust-ups and what not, but whatever his shortcomings were Woody did manage to get this team to the second round of the playoffs, which tells me the players were willing to listen to him and play for him. Now I’m not so sure. Joe was clearly taking shots at Woody in his comments a few days ago by pointing out how players didn’t know their roles within the scheme. When I see efforts like this one and the game against the Bobcats, it tells me Woodson may have lost his ability to motivate these players. If that’s the case, firing him may be worth it even if the team can’t find anyone better than one of his assistants to take over for him.

Whatever the case may be, there’s no denying that Boston will beat this team by 50 on Friday if they play like this. And if that happens, I think the media rumblings calling for Woodson’s head will start.

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Three (3) days to prepare! I reckon they are tired from the cross country fligh… oh, that can’t be it. I know – they don’t know their roles… oh yeah, 3 days to get that straightened out. Could it be ?
Naw. Well just maybe, could it be shhhhh coaching.

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Najeh ,

I am heeding your words, bro’.

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Ramon ,

On a night that he’s playing like this , I’m not certain I’d let him play even that long. Here’s what’s perplexing, even if it sounds like I’m jumping to conclusions or bashing the guy: He talks about guys not knowing their roles, but he’s the one forcing (and missing) the most shots, and also has the most turnovers. Against…the Knicks??

I really don’t get it. Nobody on this team can guard him. NOBODY. Not even Larry Hughes, who could give him problems for a minute, until Joe took him down into the post.

I don’t get it.

As for the defense, I’ll have to co-sign BONE and Grandad .

This team was much better defensively last season. We didn’t lose anybody from the team that would have made us this much worse on defense. Claxton didn’t play, Law didn’t play enough, and West was a spot duty guy when Woody felt like it. Same for Solo. It has to be the defensive concept. I’m racking my brain, and not coming up with anything else….somebody feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

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Woodson’s coaching style is just too erratic and it’s effects show on the team……
erratic coaching = erratic team…..

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Big Ray: Jamal was hurting Joe’s chances of making the all-star team. Either that or Joe is jealous as Ive said before.
Bibby probably decides how much Teager plays.

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there you go Al…

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time to take this game…

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4 point game, and Hawks showing life.

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Did u guys see how the whole defense slept for like 1-2 secs on that pass???

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Josh just had three bad series of plays…

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Just like that Josh comes back with two straight good plays…lol.. u gotta love him…:)

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Josh is the best player for the hawks

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Bone…pretend for a second Bill Belichick was a basketball coach; now would his teams consistently struggle against lesser foes?

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Ohhhh Al thats what i’m talkin about

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I don’t know grandad

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“Bone…pretend for a second Bill Belichick was a basketball coach; now would his teams consistently struggle against lesser foes?”

If you ask me, Gregg Popovich is pretty much the NBA version of Bill Belichick…

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Woody riding his starters right now. Only Crawford getting some run from the bench. But Kicks ain’t going away.

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Melvin ,

I can’t stand it when Josh makes bad plays, because they are usually VERY bad. But I always like a player who is looking to make up for it on the very next play. It’s better than sulking, scowling, and disappearing…or simply not doing better at all.

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look how good a rookie can be for u when u give him time to shine…..

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i vouched for TD on draft night… what would it have mattered with Woodson…

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Bone Acie must have hit too…

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I bet Acie did hit it Bigdave and Mac-Town he probably did do it in Woody’s bed lmao.

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yessir…

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Another assist for Josh and 5 more points for Al. Now Hawks have the lead!!!!

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Yesss!! Al is beasting, finally!

I was hoping he would step up next to Bibby and Josh….

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Marvin has the worst +/- stat of any starter again.

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I think Joe is gonna sit Al down and have a talk with him after the game lol

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Joe Smith has only played 1 min the entire game. Seriously

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opposing coach’s must love when the Hawks come to town because they can take the night off… they dont have to create mismatches Woodson gives it to them all night with his defensive system…

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Did somebody give AL a shot of Novocaine?

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Big Ray,

I agree with your post to me @ 9:09. I think I know where you’re going with that comment as well but i wont go there…;)

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Woodson has to make sure Joe makes the allstar team again. Which means that Joe has to take thirteen more shots to make sure he scores at least seven more points regardless of whether the hawks win or not.

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Melvin ,

That would be why I said it to YOU. I knew you’d understand, lol….

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Im happy that the Hawks have turned things around but we still have a whole quarter to go. I was looking at Boston and Utah stats, and Utah has 18 turnovers already.

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Blast it’s the inconsistency of the Hawks the bothers us

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Do anybody think Woody will make another sub outside Josh in the 4th qtr????

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That was no foul. All ball!

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Gallinari can get a foul, but Joe cant…

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Marvin’s lookin great right about now…..right on that bench where he’s supposed to be

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Joe got it going now…

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No doubt, Joe is for sure ball hogging right now.

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LMAO….KNICKS BASKETBALL

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Joe and AL has played well in spurts but they have a combine 7 turnovers…

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whats up with this 6 man rotation??

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Joe the ultimate ball hogger

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Hawksta, it does seem like random guys have “career nights” against us.

I’m sure all you hawks fans remember the glory days of Hawks bball when we had studs like Royal Ivey.

I cant wait til we play the Sixers, I predict a triple double for Ivey, 24 pts. 11 boards, 10 assists. YOU HEARD IT HERE 1ST!!!

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completely agree with you Bone with your 9:32 post. No way does Douglass put up points the way he is doing now if the Hawks drafted him. He would be sitting between Othello and Joe Smith wondering what if…..

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how do you give that up Bibby..

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Mac-Town I’m not the first to proclaim it! I think we all have notice that!

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It doesnt make any sense how Woody rides his starters into the dirt. Better yet, the infirmary…

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Hopefully not Woodson’s tenure as Hawk’s head coach.

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omg horford

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Joe has 40 mins ya’ll

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LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO @ Harrington

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lmaooooooooooooooo

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Smoove is going to the all star game this year.

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Josh’s elderly, senior citizen lookin form on his jump shot is painful to watch, especially for such an athletic guy.

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yea he was going to say michael vick

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LOL@ Melvin

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Mannn the Knicks are some chumps. LOL. Wheewwww. Is this Real??? Dtoni probably wished he had stuck with Crawford n Starbury. Al is straight pimpin the kid from Italy or where evaa….

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Does anyone else notice how Horford seems to dominate his former Florida teammates? It’s like he’s proving to them who was the man on that team every time he plays against them.

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Joe just plain ignorant with these shots… wow… degree of difficulty…

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Bibby having a great game with 17 and 9. Josh and Al just beating these guys up (they should be).

Joe needed 19 shots to get 19 points. And still, he plays 43 minutes. Why, Woody? Why?

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My goodness the Knicks announcers are riding Joe. Every time he touches it they are referring back to his comments about playing unselfish. And dont let him dribble more than 3 times, thats cause for even more bashing…

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Oh my, Woody is going to allow Joe to rest the last 1:51 of the game.

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Hawks story for the last 5-6 years has been this. Start slow, and finish strong, win or lose. Now they can’t afford to do that with Boston, Cavs or Orlando, but so far this year, they are getting away with that versus the bad team.

That’s one bad habit they have to break if they want to do well.

Bibby was huge tonight keeping Hawks in the game early.

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jordan hill

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that boy Randmo!!!!

look and Randmo in the post, lookin like another Tim Duncan!!

…………………………………….. <<<<

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Randmo….. so intimidating in the post, he’s got to get more minutes

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They should be riding Joe. Jooe has been ball hogging like crazy.

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Joe is getting the big head……

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Once again people:

MARVIN’S STATS FOR THE YEAR PEOPLE

10 PTS 5 REBS 0.4 AST

WOW HE’S GREAT AIN’T HE

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You KNOW it’s gone South for Joe if even big dave is callin’ him out!

Great games from Al, Josh and Bibby.

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3 STARTERS PLAYED 40+ MINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Did Marvin play tonight? (LOL) TRADE MARVIN WILLAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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LOL @ Nique’s comments on Marvin “well Marvin sat on the bench alot” lmao

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Wish I could have heard the Knicks broadcast. They tell it like it is! Joe was hogging the ball to get his numbers. No one even cuts to the basket because he likes to dribble drive. We won which is fine! But tomorrow that stuff won’t work because the Celtics collapse the middle like no other team. We will see alot of jumpshots. The Hawks will be hot early then they will lose their legs because of all the minutes Woody let them play. Mark my words we’ve seen this play out time and again.

Go Hawks??? Ehhh, yes go… Hawks???

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MARVIN’S STATS FOR THE YEAR PEOPLE

10 PTS 5 REBS 0.4 AST

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Joe at 44 minutes and just horrid decisions…he monoploizes the ball waaay more than guys waaay better than he is…and is Woody just gonns destroy Teague…did you notice his body language??? If Toney Douglas played for the Hawks his line would read dnp while Teague probably would have had 20 and 8…unreal!!!

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Yea Teague’s confidence is being destroyed by the master idiot woody.

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Woody don’t give a crap about J.Teague because he knows he will not be be here to benefit from grooming him. That does not explain the short rotation. Did Joe Smith even play? I’m waiting for the day when Woody is whining/crying/complaing/ about so and so’s injury. Blaming losses on said inj’s, when Teague,Collins,Morris,Hunter,et al…
“do not know their roles.” Another thing; please let Marv go, while we can get something of value in return. I’m not a Marv basher, it just seems he is never going to be able to peak here. Why? 1.System 2.Joe
and 3.Woody doesn’t know how to properly utilize his skill set.
I predict Marv becomes an outstanding player elsewhere, although, most likely never an all-star.

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Ok, 6-2 is the record. I’m curious how many bloggers wish the record was 2-6 if that meant Woody being fired?

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Whats going on with Joe and all of this dribbling and forcing bad shots. I cant believe it but he might be dribbling more now than he has in the past. He is forcing some difficult shots too. And you would think he would be a better passer out of the double team by now as much as he sees it. Joe really needs to stop the one on one and selfish play . Cant call ya guys out when you’re the main culprit.

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Told you already. Joe has to make the allstar team so he is going to take his shots and do his plays. But everybody else needs to know there roles, right.

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Lets say we lose JJ and sign Chills. Jamal is the man – unselfish and no problem with passing. Chills will get you marvins numbers and we get the ball to where it needs to go to. Josh and /Al – millions left for whatever

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We had a positive +/- for every 4 starters + Jamal Crawford tonight. Who is the starter we had a negative for? Yes — Duck Williams

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Big Ray: Observations are not from 8 games but from the length of woody’s tenure. When he came; he was my choice and ‘he’ had to, over the course, cause my negative reactions.
Same with Marv – when we drafted him; he was my choice.[ at # 2 ]
Two problems:
1. I didn’t realize he was only 6-7 and a fraction/sock ft.
2. I did not realize how un-athletic he is. Particularly:
a.quick twitch muscle fibers which explain his lack of
vertical leap and ability to bounce quickly
b.his lack of both agility and coordination.
Having said all that I am much more of a Marv fan than Woody. I suspect
Marv will come back and bite us in the rear if and when we move him.

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Marvin is a bum. Simple and plain. Stop making excuses for him. He would not be any better on any other team in the league. All he has to do in Atlanta is stand in the corner and hit wide open jumpshots, and he can’t do that. He plays with no effort, and desire. Some of you think that being the man on a team is easy. Marvin can not make a shot with a hand in his face, and do you actually think he could score if he was double teamed. He would not have been the man on my high school team, and I am not joking. He has no handles, is a terrible defensive player, and should not be starting for any playoff caliber team, if any team. I don’t want to say I told you so, but I did. I actually argued with clowns on this blog that he was not better than Josh, Granger, Ariza, even MELO. Again, lets get rid of this guy now before his value is nada. Hell I’d take Wilson Chandler. Go get Captian Jack. I hate to say this, but I really think Joe is setting us up. HE is becoming a true ball hogg.

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I would not let Marv go for anything less than a young big with lots of potential as a defensive stopper. Absolutely no retreads such as: A.Harrington/S.Jackson/and Hughes, your kidding right/and Childress will want more money than he’s worth.

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we will not get away with such a crappy start against boston. with our present starting line up we have no one to penetrate,our offense is stagnant. i blame most of this on jj forcing the ball, turning it over ,eating the clock up , i dont care if he had a good second half only because he started to make a lot of forced shots. he destroys all ball movement & has the team playing one on one,trade him.between woody & jj they will destroy jc offensive game. woody didnt play him much in the second quarter,he pulled josh out with 4 fouls in the last quarter how dumb is he,he lets marvin play with 4 fouls. why the hell is he giving so many minutes to marvin when he is doing nothing right.
why the hell is he giving jt no playing time. he oftens comes up with some of the worst combinations.
any one who thinks he is a good coach is crazy. our iso offense & switching defense sucks.

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RAMON-Developing a playoff and title contending team, which I hope is your focus, is about more than just wins and losses. The Cavaliers(66wins)and Celtics(62wins)won more regular season gms last yr than the Magic. Yet, in the playoff, the Magic whipped them both and went to the NBA finals. Do you think either of those teams would hesitate one bit to take the Magics lower win total and a trip to the finals over what they accomplished?

You can’t judge Woodson strictly by this teams wins and losses, and it should be obvious by now that GM RSund understands that perfectly. He obviously wanted to know if Woodson is contributing significantly to the teams progress, is he holding it back, and/or is he being carried by the team. It’s obvious Sund had questions about Woodson’s overall contributions to the Hawks making the playoffs 2 consecutive yrs, gaining the 4th seen with 47wins, and advancing to the 2nd round of last yrs playoffs. Otherwise, he would have given him a contract extension. It’s obvious this yrs team has improved.

We’ve seen an improvement in overall talent, depth, maturity and experience of this yrs team and its players, but has Woodson improved enough as a HC to show he can manage the improvement of this team and its talent after 5yrs? THIS TEAM COULD VERY WELL BE WINNING INSPITE OF HIM. Tonight, he did a horrible job of coaching and utilizing his players against one of the NBA worst teams no less.

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Rod – Bibby has been all of our vote on the bum list. What did he do tonight. 6-8 with 18 pt’s. 9 assists. Guys like bibby and marvin are the glue.

Josh is an all star.

I agree JJ is a ball hog but that is what he was hired to do. It will take time and Woody coaching to convince him otherwise. It is contract year. All said we will be fine. Problems like this is why it takes years to win. We are fine. Still look for 50-54 wins.

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Woodson asked for a bench and still cant utilize it. At this rate guys are gone be tired around the all star break. Travis Outlaw wants to start and Marvin might be more comfortable in the Portland area. I say we do a even trade and call it a day. Outlaw does all the things I wish Marvin would do. He can create his own shot, knock down the 3, get in the lane, and has no problem taking the big shot. I know its early in the season but I think Ive seen enough of Marvin to know that he just wont get any better as a Hawk.

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Only JJ and Al played to many minutes. Bad coaching – maybe. One thing for sure is we have a good back up for JJ. His replacements we could argue are more effective and well rested. Did we play Al to much? – once again we have well rested players that can play. I think tonight was a starter chemistry statement by Woody that he wanted to emulate. Just get the win. Just to massage egos. Against the best team in the NBA why do I have a feeling that he will play the whole rotation. He locked down that first win and his hottest player is fresh as the daisy. Well except for Smooth who is as hot as any player in the NBA.

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Let me get this straight:

1. Our coach is a rookie-killing idiot with no offensive scheme and no defensive scheme.

2. JJ is an overrated, ballhogging, selfish troublemaker who’s not even our best player.

3. Bibby is a slow, one-dimensional, no defense-playing bum.

4. Marv is a worthless, unathletic, no talent-having duck who shouldn’t be in the NBA.

5. Smoove is an idiot who can’t shoot and continues to make dumb plays in his 6th season.

6. Horford is undersized at Center and can’t play with the big boys.

And that’s just our head coach and starters.

Despite all these “problems,” we have the 5th best record in the NBA at 6-2 after having played only 3 home games (with double digit wins in all 3 home games). If we suck so bad and yet we are 6-2, what does that say about the rest of the NBA?

This is the NBA guys! There are NO sure wins on the road in ths league. ANY road win is a good win.

Woody was CLEARLY determined to get this win at all costs and I can’t say that I blame him. We can play GREAT on Friday against BOS and still lose and you don’t want a 2 game road losing streak to kill the momentum you have built so far.

I’m sure Woody planned to play Teague (and probably Zaza) more than he did tonight but after we got down early, he couldn’t take the chance of letting the game get out of hand. Woody is not the first coach who won’t play rookies in that situation. Heck, D’Antoni won’t even play Jordan Hill despite the fact that he was a lottery pick and the Knicks have NO chance to make the playoffs. They are just hoping for a high lottery pick to pair with LeBron.

It’s so funny to me to find myself defending Woody (who I have routinely screamed at at some point during virtually every home game over the last 5 years). He’s no Phil Jackson but he has improved and he definitely deserves some credit for getting the guys described above to win.

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Ramon,

Mercy son, we are 6-2 No team is undefeated. A little to early go overboard? Woody has always played what he thinks are his best players. We may not like it but he is a winner and will increase his wins this year. (my opinion).At the end of the day our opinions don’t mean squat. Only Sund, Woody and the owner get to vote.

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For all the Marvin bashers, he has had a poor start to the season but I think he will turn it around and play like the 14/6 guy he was last year. He was CLEARLY pressing tonight (as he has for most of the season) rather than waiting for the game to come to him.

That said, could it be possible that he is struggling because he is putting pressure on himself due to the signing of that long term contract? Smoove struggled last year after signing his new contract as if he didn’t know where he fit in. Smoove certainly seems to have figured out his role now, I just hope if that is Marv’s problem, it doesn’t take him the whole year to figure it out. We are winning now but that may not continue if we can’t get more production from him.

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I have been out of the country for most of the season. So for the past couple of days I have been catching up on the Hawks by reading this blog. If I did not know the actual record I would think that the Hawks had not won a game if I deleted the postings which acknowledged the actual results. Last year the Hawks won their first six games but then promptly went into a funk after playing a great seventh game only to lose at the buzzer. Something tells me that there has been organic growth plus the addition of more talent in the form of JC and JTO. Because of that additional talent and the continuing maturation of our young guys this year’s team is better than last year’s team. The improvement in the team does not necessarily result in a better record because of the unforeseen possibility of injuries or lack of team chemistry. But to read the blog you would think we were back at 13 wins for a season. It is ironic that as the team improves the blog becomes more critical.

There was a great deal of discussion about the number of road wins for this team. I agree that the great teams win on the road. But the Hawks are not yet a great team. There has been incremental improvement each year that Woody has been here. I think for a team that won 39 per cent of the time on the road last year a .500 road record is a good goal for the team to build on. I think all of us would want better but then again all of us will never be satisfied until we win all 82 regular season games and then sweep the playoffs. But if that happened then this blog would not exist would it?

there has also been a lot of discussion about playing time. I, for one, was not upset with the playing time tonight because the team has not played since Saturday. There will be an off day tomorrow. The Hawks are still a young team except for Bibby so from the standpoint of this road trip the starters minutes do not concern me. If we were a team that did not have a history of struggling on the road then giving more playing time to JTO and sharing time for others on the bench would be a bigger issue.

There has also been a great deal of discussion of the HC – mostly negative. I see a team that did not run the ISO Joe much tonight until the fourth quarter. And in the fourth quarter JJ was hot. I would prefer not to see the pounding at all. But we did win the game and JJ’s game in the fourth quarter really did not kick in until after the turnaround had been accomplished. So I am not as negative on the HC as most of you – yet. I understand the negativity. I just don’t really think I can reach a judgmental on this guy even after all of this time. I agree with the decision to delay any contract extension until after this season. And to really judge him may take a few more seasons to see what the team accomplishes when it reaches its peak years. I don’t think they are here yet. I also do not think the team can become an elite team except through incremental change and organic growth because the team does not have the resources needed to gain greatest by purchasing superstars.

It has been less than a year since I joined this blog. Once the season was over I returned for the draft and the preseason but I just lurked. There have been some really good analysis to go along with the usual useless trade speculation that is, unfortunately the bane of the blog. Either new posters have surfaced, changed their alias, or rejoined the discussion. It is good to see them. Losing Sekou was a blow. I join all of the others in wishing him well. And I also welcome Ken S. to the scene. I hope you enjoy the ride.

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Traceman ,

Fair enough on Marvin, though I have to say that his bad start is bothersome. I’d chalk it up to adjustment issues, but I think that excuse works for the offensive side of the ball, and nowhere else. What is preventing him from playing at least average defense? What prevents him from getting more rebounds (JJ manages to do it, and he’s the shooting guard)? What prevents him from getting after loose balls and doing all the “little things” that you need a role player to do?

As far as Woody is concerned, I have only one minor issue with him vs. D’Antoni when it comes to playing rookies. You say Teague wasn’t in that game because Woody wanted to win at all costs, and couldn’t afford to put him in and gamble, basically. You drew the correlation between that and D’Antoni not playing lottery pick Jordan Hill. I understand what you’re saying, but what about D’Antoni’s decision to not only play Toney Douglas…but start him? Maybe it’s because the Knicks have such a bad record and D’Antoni wanted to try something different. I don’t know.

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Ramon ,

I don’t know how Sund will look at it. 55 wins is nothing to sneeze at, ever. With that should come another first round victory (only, a better looking one if we’re matched up with a team that is clearly not as talented or well built), and at least a better showing in the second round. Repeat last year’s performance, and I’m not sure you can hang your hat on that as a coach…unless it can be proven without a doubt that it’s a roster issue or something to that effect.

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KevinA,

That’s a good point. At the same time, how much credit do you get for taking a guy out when he isn’t doing jack sh!t on either end of the floor, and doesn’t seem to be trying to? It’s not my intention to bash Woody, but I think a middle school/high school coach would know to do that .

To me, good coaching is going back to Al Horford in the second half, even after he went 2-8 in the first half, and realizing that he could turn it on and hammer the Knicks the way he did. Last year, that sort of thing never happened. Now, I’m sure somebody could argue that it’s Horford’s teammates who deserve the credit there, but it happened on Woody’s watch….

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Big Ray, I agree. The point I’m making is the roster is greatly improved from anytime in the 2000s. Last year roster would’ve won 5-6 more games if it wasn’t for the injuries. I liked that Bibby has given Horford more touches on the post. I like that Josh is playing under more control. But which moves from this season compared to the last has Woody actually improved on? True enough you want to start the season off right and you don’t want to lose winnable games. But if this does keep up, and the team wins those 55 games. Then they get into the playoffs and breakdown because of fatigue, then what? I still don’t see Woody improvements. If Terry Porter can get fired from a team that was 18-13 in the West. If Avery can get fired from a team that was playing .600 ball in the West. If Mike Brown goes to the Conference Finals and still hears threats on his job, then what is Woody truly doing? I understand some fans remember Lenny Wilkins and doesn’t want to let go of a playoff coach when not knowing what would happen. But letting go of the NBA highest losing coach in history wasn’t even where the team messed up then. It was hiring a college coach who never coach an NBA team.

By the way, not saying I want him coaching the Hawks, but I think Mark Jackson is going to be the next Doc Rivers. When you hear him breakdown teams’ game plans, you can tell that he understands defense, ball movement, and momentum.

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KevinA, I can concur with that!

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Ray, Woody’s situation here always seems to be the coach on the brink of getting fired/not rehired. As a result he has this me against the world bunker mentality.

His words always sounds good in October. Then November comes and he pulls out his autographed picture of (a younger) Al Davis that says JUST WIN BABY (or you will be gone!)

I am not sure, but I think his goal is to confirm that the Hawks at the legitimate 4th best team in the East. He would like to make the big 3 teams turn into the big 4. In reality, he probably keeps his job if he can demonstrate that there is some space between the Hawks and whichever team comes 5th. If he can show the ability to at least scare the big 3, then he keeps the gig.

As usual, it takes a few weeks for the Woody revisions to take hold. Looks like one of them will be Jason Collins playing the role of Speedy Claxton, Tony Delk, DNP-CD.

Just to show some sports analogy diversity, look at Hendrick Motorsports. Woody has to prove his team is Jeff Gordon. We are not popular enough to be Dale Jr, so we have to win enough to be in the conversation. (Anyone that performs at that Dale Jr level consistently gets fired unless they have some long term popularity behind them, like Joe Pa or Bobby Bowden.) Everyone knows we aren’t Jimmie Johnson, but if we can beat JJ at some point during the season, we continue to have street/track cred.

BWAF

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I will agree there is pressure on three starters JJ, Marvin and Bibby. Why? Jamal is playing lights out,
Teague needs minutes, that kinda explains the pressure on JJ and Bibby. Marvin hasn’t played up to expectations and some of his minutes are going to Evans and the guards. Now tell me Woody doesn’t adjust. We wonder why Woody doesn’t adjust more. Well Bibby showed you why tonight. Proven vet. Why play JJ instead of Jamal?. A proven vet in his system.

Now that we locked down this win look for Woody to open up his bench against Boston. At least for the first 3 qt. After that – who knows. I do know one thing about Woody – he will play what he perceives are the best players for the most minutes at crunch time. If he thinks it is a must win or possible win – look for him to play his starters. Woody is not interested in burn time.

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MannyT,

lol, your right, Woody only has to get to 50+ wins agains the teams he should beat and all is well. Beating an elite team is only cream.

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amen doc…

preach it… these cats can’t seem to remember the real dark days eh? when the highlight of the blog wasn’t discussing a win but rather reading aj and ando throwing verbal jabs about the jj signing… heh

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btw ken welcome to the liars table. enjoy the verbal repast.

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Honest, I remember those days! When Clyde was so anti Woody and BK, you’d thought he was going to have an AntiAfro Convention at the Phillips lol. And when many of these same bloggers (who shall remain nameless) was saying BK would be a fool not to take Marvin Williams, because he would be the next Grant Hill. lol. Or better yet, the handful of us who wished the Hawks would’ve kept Sheed and Payton.

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Did I miss something tonight? Josh had 12 rebounds – 4 assists – 2 steals and 22 points.
Somebody tell me Smooth is not the team MVP. Kid is kicking butt. Before tonight he led the entire NBA in blocked shots. A true hoop fan would be smart to remember these games and tell their kids about the good ol days.

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If you’re having problems with you starting lineup, who’s playing badly and allowing one of the NBA’s worst teams to get a 14pt lead, how is leaving the problem in preventing the gm from getting away from you?

We all expect the Hawks to make the playoffs again this yr. Can anyone tell me what Woodson has done or is doing to make us a better team come playoff time? Is he getting Teague ready for the playoffs, or ready to take over for Bibby if he gets injured? Is he developing his bench by giving his Bigs, like JCollins, Joe Smith or RMorris enough mins to develop some kind of chemistry with their teammates? Is he giving his starters adequate rest and not overextending them so they won’t breakdown or be forced to play hurt like they did last yr near the end of the season?

Why are so many unwilling to accept MWilliams lack of progression after only 1yr of college and 4yrs in the league, 3 as a starter? Why are there so many unwilling to accept Josh Smith’s inconsistencies, temperment and 3pt shooting woes after 5yrs in the league and coming straight out of high school? But most of all, why are so many will to accept little more than token or minimal improvement from MWoodson, who’s been a HC for 5yrs, had a professional career as an NBA player, and served under HC LBrown, one of the NBA’s better HC’s, during the Pistons championship yrs?

For the Hawk fans who are content to win more gms than we lose, make the playoffs and squeak past the 1st rd, only to get embarrassed in the 2nd rd like last yr, PG MBibby and HC MWoodson are what the doctor ordered. If you want more, we’ll have to upgrade both positions.

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I was riding your last post agreeing all the way till you go to Josh. All the kids post problems aside he is turning into an NBA pro. Last year you could pick out 40 players that had a better upside. Today name 5 that have more upside. Kid has played outstanding basketball. I could be wrong but he peaks next year. In the mean time we are looking at young man only the most sophisticated defenses can slow. Smooth has turned the page, he is now a force in the NBA and there is little anyone can do about it.

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WOW,

This blog has turned into crap. A bunch of clueless scrubbs complaining about nothing. You guys realize how stupid you sound? All this talk about how bad Woody is and we’re 6-2.

And all these “stud” coaches who you wanted to replace Woody, how are they doing?
Flip, Eddie Jordan, D’Antoni, Mark Jackson, Avery ,”Mr. Bill”, Johnson, Curt Rambis, the equipment Manager?
Get a freekin clue. Rick Sund is an idiot if he doesn’t extend Woody if this team continues like their going. He’s making himself look more and more foolish.

You guys keep drooling for Jeff Teague. Get over it. He will get 10-15 minutes a game until he learns how to shoot. Period. The man is shooting 34% from the field. That won’t get you PT in the NBA. You can make all the excuses you want, but those are the facts. He’ll end up like all your favorites of the past: Salim, AC3, Speedy ect.

Yes, it was the Knicks, but who cares, it’s a win. Shaq still is the most powerful super hero.

Woody=COY

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Samuel, out of the coaches you named, which one has a better roster than Woody? This season is more than just about wins and losses. Its about playoff basketball. And why you say Saunder’s name, remember he’s had 3 starters out with injuries majority of their games. Do you think Woody would have a .500 record if the 2nd/3rd scorers were out, with the newest addition who purpose is to stretch the defense, out also?

And you talk about Avery and D’Antoni. Remember Avery worst season as a coach, still totaled more wins than Woody’s best season! And that was in the Western Conference. Woody has a little league playbook for offense with only one on one play truly emphasized. And for a defensive minded coach, the team is averaging 102 ppg allowed. There are only 3 other teams in the East who allows more points and each of those team play at a faster pace than the Hawks. And anyone outside of Woody’s household knows D’Antoni has better job security than Woody. If you honestly think that Woody is winning more with this roster than D’Antoni, Avery, and Saunders would, then please don’t hesitate to tell me why Detroit had the opportunity to hire Woody instead of Saunders but didn’t? And please remember, if it wasn’t for the referees and David Stern handing Lebron the keys to the NBA Finals, Saunders would’ve lead the team to the Finals.

Also to expect more out of a coach than you’ve gotten the last two years in terms of game management and even creating mismatches for your own team is what any reasonable fan who knows about basketball should do. By the way, last season the Hawks were 6-2 also, that doesn’t mean everything went great. Right now the Hawks are winning because the players are playing better than the other teams. They’re not winning because Woody is putting them in better positions to make them the best they can be. Anyone with basketball knowledge knows motion on offense would create more opportunities and open looks for the entire starting five (remember the starting five is being outscored by the other teams five night after night). Also anyone with basketball knowledge knows that on a 4-1 pick you do not have your point guard (who’s the slowest and least athletic player on your roster) switch to guard the teams opposing 4. Very rarely does Woody change the strategy depending on who’s on the floor. If a fan would love to see more than that from a coach, then how is he ’stupid’? We see the players improving more and more. But the least improve person in that locker room (excluding Marvin this season) is Woody. He’s a great guy. He’s a good coach. But he’s not a playoff coach for a roster like this. Everything he’s asked Sund for he’s gotten. Yet he still haven’t made any of the changes he said himself that he would make.

Also, why you say Teague is shooting 35%, don’t forget to mention he’s shooting 40% from beyond the arc, and he has a 5:1 assist to turnover ratio. He’s also averaging almost a steal a game, while only averaging one foul a game. And only a foul per 10 min of game action is very impressive for any rookie. So he has earned more playing time.

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oh ya one more thing..

sam: leave race out of it for once. you lose all credibility when you start race baiting the blog. give it up fella…

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Can AJC plz remove Sekou’s name from AJC.com/hawks (has him listed as Beatwriter on left) and can we please get some articles?

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Play your bench, especially if your starters are shooting 33%. Play Teague if you want to have a complete team come playoff time. Woody is playing for wins in the regular season, he is not trying to get the team ready for playoffs.

JJ needs to distribute like Crawford. It is so nice to finally have a guard penetrate and dish off to a big man. And it is also nice to have a guard who don’t struggle to simply be athletic enough to barely get it accross mid court and pass (Bibby) and that is not exactly breaking down a defense.

The team IS improving. Our fowards are improving. I wonder how JJ will react as we evolve away from needing him to dominate the ball every possession.

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“JJ needs to come off the bench”

“Crawford is playing lights out”

wow… okay riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight…

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Marvin Williams a boy among men!

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agreed Vava 74…

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And by the way, I should have started with this:

Welcome aboard Ken, nice to have you around!

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ILL-logical & Vava74

Finally guys that are talking with some sense. I am reading all these post about Woody’s bad coaching.

Grandad, Ken Strickland, Ramon,

Who would you guys like to see come in here and coach the team. That would do a better job.

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To Ken Strickland,

Have I been dreaming or you are contradicting yourself just a few days apart?

If I am not wrong, you acknowledged after the Denver game that Woody and Hawks had made some strides… now it is all pitch black?

As for Josh’s maturation, you are fooling around aren’t you??? Josh launches(d) ill advised jumpers and treys out of his own initiative and Woody has been very patient and fatherly with him.

Any other coach would have created an unsurmountable canyon between them.

Again, I am not saying that Woody is off the hook, just that we need a bigger sample since most of the mistakes we are seeing are a direct consequence of some internal readjustments and some lack of maturity which still plagues us.

In relation to Teague: everyone loves him, however, in light of Bibby’s shooting performance and 9 assists against the Knicks how can you be so unreasonable? We HAD to guarantee the win in NY and our best chance was to go to work with the tools which have proven to be effective.

Bibby was hot and keeping us in the game, why replace him with an still unproven rookie which could be easily influenced (negatively) by the helter skelter offense D’Antoni uses?? What if the Knick’s advantage ballooned beyond the 20 point mark??

We would be sobbing and complaining that we had lost yet another game away against a sub-par team.

It was not as we wanted to be BUT IT WAS A WIN, after a very good second half.

In relation to Joe Smith not seeing too much burn: what if he is not feeling 100% right now?? Do we know everything before we try to impose our views??

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GEEMACK-I don’t necessarily have a preference. I just want someone that’s more innovative, versatile, consistent, willing to commit the time and effort in developing our younger players, far less insecure and more willing to seek out help in areas of weakness, less stubborn and more willing to fit a system to the players rather than force the players into an ill fitting system.

ILL-LOGICAL-you’re right, Friday will be the true test as far as how far the team has progressed. We laid an egg against LA, so I hope we can mount a better showing against Boston. It’s going to take quality performances by our players and a much better job of coaching and utilization of our players(bench)than we’ve seen recently, especially in last nights gm. If Woodson stands by with he arms folded and allows JJ to play the same selfish style of ball he played last night, and uses a 7-8man rotation while overplaying his starters, like he did last night, we are going to get our butts kicked.

VALVA74-good recall and assessment. I had totally forgotten about that incident, and I have to totally agree.

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For all the coach bashers

Let me get this right….PJax gets credit for making (Jordan Pipen Kobe & Shaq)better. Larry Brown gets credit form making Sheed AI & Rip better. Doc Rivers gets credit for making KG Ray & PP better. PRiley made Magic Kareem Wothy McAdoo Wade & Shaq better. Avery made Dirk JT Devin Howard & Devin better. But when Josh & Al got better it was on their own!

Wow! Here’s the funny thing each one of the players I named had some form of success prior to any of those coaches being hired, but Woody guys had no clue how to play ball at the pro level. Woody taught these guys how to win.

Here are some facts that we know… Mr. Sund has never been the GM of a championship team. The Hawks front office has never owned a championship team. The one thing we know is that Woody has been apart of a championship organization, and the lead assistant on that staff. So if anyone has a clue to what it takes to when a championship Woody has been there.

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Didn’t see the game last night, just listened on the radio, so I think I missed a lot of what has been discussed on the blog. Listening to the game, it was pretty clear that Zaza and Joe Smith were not going to play much. (to fast a pace) I didn’t understand Teague not playing more because they could have used his defense on Douglas. Woody really likes have Crawford at the point, basically the same thing he did with Flip last year. Woody likes Bibby on the floor because of his shooting and passing ability. I think Teague will get more time as the season progresses, but he will have to really work on his jump shot. Either way a WIN is a WIN!! I’ll take it.

In terms of the Celtics game, this will be a good test to see what Woody is going to do. Rondo, always gives Bibby a lot of trouble, but the Celtics have no one off their bench that can stay with Crawford. As Ramon said earlier, we need Horford and Smoove to attach inside and make KJ, Perkins and Wallace defend. Getting those guys in foul trouble is key. We also need Marvin to attack Pierce on the offensive end, make Pierce play defensive.

GO HAWKS!!

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Woodson looks like the same coach he has always been. He panics and shortens his rotation and rides his starters. He will find some excuse as to why he cant play his bench or develop Teague. Yes we are 6-2 but this defense stinks. The Knicks were able to get any shot at any given time last night. They cooled off in the second half and started forcing bad shots. It wasn’t really our defense it was the Knicks shooting themselves out the game. They started playing very selfish… If we go into Boston and come out sluggish like we have in pretty much every game this season except the Denver game then it will be a blowout. If the Knicks can get any shot they want on us imagine what Boston will do. Hopefully the guys come out energized and ready to go. Maybe even Marvin will show up. If Boston gets up early look for Woodson to shorten his bench again.

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Wow guys-

I was reading the blog from last night. Everybody needs to calm down.
I am now no longer reading any posts after 11:30 or before 6:30am.

We won the game last night guys. Woody played his starters more for 3 main reasons. 1) We had a couple of days off and needed to get the starters lathered up. Remember there is a difference between playing a back to back and the first game after 3 days off with another off day right behind it.
2) Joe Smith and ZaZa did not match up well and will be needed for Boston’s front line.
3) Al and Joe were on fire.
4) Teague (see point one) is getting good pt, particularly at home, just chill out.
But, don’t let the facts get in the way of your Woody bloodlust.

ps. Marvin did have a terrible game. He is off to a rough start. I like the guy and really hope he turns this thing around.

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cp,

Come on man! This is like riding a bike!

Woody has now upgraded to a more powerful machine and is still learning how to lean on the corners.

It’s only natural that when he looks at the scoreboard and sees the Hawks trailing by double figures against the Knicks he feels shivers running up and down his spine… and his reaction is to get into a more comfortable pace.

For goodness sakes it’s HIS JOB which is on the line if the Hawks lose. I think we already saw some progress with our game play and we should be patient.

Right now my biggest concern is JJ not adapting to a more “involving and trusting role”. I think he will since I believe that he is a good character.

In relation to the Boston game, I am not particularly hopeful of a good showing. We are still very immature and I foresee a very bad game by Crawford (3-11, 0-5, 2-2 with 3 TO in +-28 min) and by Josh (early foul trouble, 3 rebounds, TOs and frustration) and a so so game by the rest, battling a smothering defense with JJ reverting to the ISO.

Hawks down by 14 (not humiliating since we will never be down for more than that but will never really challenge the Celts).

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GeeMack: Before I answer your question; I am not advocating the
dismissal of Woody as Coach. I have confidence in Mr. Sund to make the proper decision at right time.

Now, to answer your question, if that decision were to be made @ the conclusion of this season, then my choices would be as follows:
*in no particular order*
1. Tom Thibodeau – Def. Coordinator > Celts.
2. Jeff Bzdelik – H.C. Univ of Colorado (pro exp. Den Nug asst. & HC)
[master of the princeton offense]
*I do not think they would be available until season end*

If Mr. Sund felt a change was nacessary @ some pt. during the season:
* once again in no particular order*
1. Avery Johnson (logical)
2. Paul Silas (interim)
3. Steve Smith (outside the box)

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NBA Minutes: Per Game

NBA | East | West
*Qualified | Overall
NBA Minutes Leaders
NAME GP MIN MPG
1 Kevin Martin, SAC 5 209 41.8
2 Gerald Wallace, CHA 8 333 41.6
3 Kevin Durant, OKC 8 321 40.1
4 Andrew Bynum, LAL 5 200 40.0
5 Rudy Gay, MEM 9 358 39.8
6 Deron Williams, UTH 8 315 39.4
7 Kobe Bryant, LAL 7 275 39.3
8 Eric Gordon, LAC 7 269 38.4
9 Dirk Nowitzki, DAL 8 307 38.4
10 Andre Iguodala, PHI 8 306 38.3
11 Dwyane Wade, MIA 7 267 38.1
12 Chris Kaman, LAC 9 343 38.1
13 LeBron James, CLE 8 304 38.0
Luol Deng, CHI 8 304 38.0
15 Ben Gordon, DET 8 303 37.9
16 Andrei Kirilenko, UTH 8 302 37.8
17 John Salmons, CHI 8 301 37.6
18 Trevor Ariza, HOU 8 299 37.4
Rodney Stuckey, DET 8 299 37.4
20 Danny Granger, IND 6 224 37.3
21 Lamar Odom, LAL 7 261 37.3
Caron Butler, WAS 7 261 37.3
23 Joe Johnson, ATL 8 298 37.3
24 O.J. Mayo, MEM 9 335 37.2
25 Ron Artest, LAL 7 260 37.1
26 Carmelo Anthony, DEN 9 332 36.9
27 Gilbert Arenas, WAS 8 295 36.9
28 Larry Hughes, NYK 7 253 36.1
29 Monta Ellis, GSW 7 252 36.0
30 Zach Randolph, MEM 9 323 35.9
31 Courtney Lee, NJN 6 215 35.8
32 Chris Bosh, TOR 8 286 35.8
Ronnie Brewer, UTH 8 286 35.8
34 Boris Diaw, CHA 8 285 35.6
35 Amare Stoudemire, PHO 9 320 35.6
36 Brook Lopez, NJN 8 284 35.5
37 Brandon Roy, POR 9 319 35.4
Marc Gasol, MEM 9 319 35.4
39 Jason Kidd, DAL 8 283 35.4
Mo Williams, CLE 8 283 35.4
41 Jeff Green, OKC 8 282 35.3
42 Thaddeus Young, PHI 8 281 35.1
43 Wilson Chandler, NYK 9 314 34.9
44 Shawn Marion, DAL 8 279 34.9
Aaron Brooks, HOU 8 279 34.9
46 Ray Allen, BOS 9 313 34.8
47 Hedo Turkoglu, TOR 8 278 34.8
48 Andrea Bargnani, TOR 8 277 34.6
Al Horford, ATL 8 277 34.6
First 50 Players | Next 50 Players | Final 50 Players

*To qualify: a player must be on pace to play 70 games or 2,000 minutes.

Data provided by Elias Sport Bureau

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CP its been three years. Because three years ago remember he was injured and that lead to the end of the playoff push. I think at the time the Hawks were 3 games out.

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Again it is a long season. Woody will open his roster up.

Joe is only 23rd in minutes played. What’s all the yapping about? Kobe, LeBron and Wade plays more minutes.

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jerrywest- 8 games is not enough of a sample size to make any statistical judgements (either good or bad). Talk to me after 20 games

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Ramon,

I agree with u that the kind of minutes has a lot to do with it. The guys I named had more pressure and greater responsibility and they played above the rim which is more taxing than the way JJ plays. My point was a team that just started going to the playoff with guys 27 ys or younger fatigue should not be an issue. The core of our team Josh AL & MW are all under 25.

Grandad

I like that list of coaches, and I think those options should be explored if it come to that as you stated. However the bashing Woody takes for improving a directionless franchise is uneccessary. When this teams stops getting better and underacheiving then it’s time look for a HC coach, but we are calling for Woody’s head because he’d rather play Crawford between 1 & 2 instead of Teagu. Thats my issue.

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VALVA74-No, I’m not waffling. Unlike SAMUEL AND ROD FROM CP, I’m not hating on Woodson, or any particular individual. My particular major malfunction is focused only on the way he coaches, most of the time. As a result, if he does a good job, in my opinion, I give him credit, if not, I give him grief. Because of that, and his inconsistency as a HC, it might appear that I’m contradicting myself.

I guess it’s just his nature to be consistently inconsistent in the way he coaches and treats young players.

DOC-you need to get a grip and stop making logical comments that make it appear as though I don’t want Woodson as our HC, OR IS THAT REALLY THE CASE, heh, heh, heh. For me, watching Woodson coach so far this yr, reminds me of someone painting the outside of a dark colored house with a cheap light colored paint. Once the light color dries, the old dark color starts to bleed through and the house starts to lose its consistency, doesn’t look uniform and eventually starts to look a mess.

We started the season our playing a 10 man rotation, moving the ball and attacking the basket. Now we’re seeing the old paint bleed through with JJ taking over the OFF with is ISO OFF, with Woodson doing absolutely nothing to stop it. We’re also seeing the shortening of the rotation, overuse of the starters and underuse of the bench and our young PG getting the ALaw treatment. Didn’t Woodson make most of the same encouraging comments about ALaw that he made about Teague after he was drafted? Didn’t he give ALaw and Teague lots of consistent mins during preseason, only to start jerking them around and ignoring them as soon as the regular season started?

The maturity, dedication and/or performances of Smoove, Horford and Evan, along with the additions and contributions of Teague and Crawford, have allow this team to overcome MWilliams inconsistencies, Woodson’s coaching inconsistencies and JJ’s selfish, disrupting, ballhogging behavior. Even Bibby has modified his approach and no longer does that crap.

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Grandad’s Pro’s and Con’s

Pro’s
1) Is a grandad (I read tell)
2) Good typist
3) Hawks fan (?)
4) Stubborn

Cons:
1) Stinky posts- same ole, same ole take on the situation which isn’t even accurate.
2) Demands perfection, but doesn’t know what it is.
3) Unable to assess NBA level talent, but blames others anyway.

Somewhere in between:
Does not cuss (or I haven’t read it)- Honestly that is a Pro.
Hawks fan ?

I had fun with that, hope you do to, so relax….

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lord ken, surely you dont think i am going to take you on? heh heh if clyde appoints you as his rep then i gotta know the head is waaaay tooo hard to dent with my meek voice.

nothing but good here. enjoying this team as they grow. cant take too much away from coach when he gets the wins. we can look at the continuum over the season rather than through a narrow time frame lens is my play right now ken.

again want jj to man up and say and do what he says “we” need to do on the offensive end. of course i started saying that last year and got trashed a bit for attacking our best player. still dont understand the big d tag that he gets with such poor steal and block shot stats. as far as his bounds going up … they better as he takes on more of the role of a three than a two with crawford in the mix along with bibby.

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Wow, good to see some things have not changed…or not so good in some cases. Lets see we have played 8 out of 82 games…what’s that 74 games left. Yet, the chorus of discontent is at mid season form.

It hard to watch Marvin struggling…but I think he will work his way out of it. I would like to see Marvin come off the bench for while…he appears to be pressing too much. Marvin is a high character guy he will shake out of his slump.

I too would love to see Teague play more minutes…but I would be remised if did not acknowledge seeing some improvement over the course of these eight games. As the season progresses I expect to see more of Teague, and more of the reserves. I’m not Woody’s defender but he is making a conscious effort to try different lineups.

Hard to argue with Woody trying to stack up wins while Cleveland and Orlando are struggling out the gate. We need to get as many win as we can. We have already beaten Portland and Denver…I a win tonight could go a long way towards redemption…thus far Boston has had blowout wins save for their one loss…surly they expect to pounce on the Hawks at home. The stage is set Friday night in Prime Time…time for the Hawks to step the F up. I think we will struggle early on trying to execute against Boston stifling defense…however, as the game go on…I think we will respond better than we did in LA. I’m going with the Hawks in a upset.

MARVIN FORGET ABOUT YOUR DETRACTORS…PLAY YO GAME… GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Some of you guys are judging this for it only being 8 games into the season, and I understand that. But Woody is leaving us like a wife who husband swears he’s going to change every year and doesn’t. Yet we make excuses in hope that tomorrow starts a new day of change. But guess what, Woody has done nothing in the past 4-5 season to encourage belief that he will change the way he’s managed the first 8 games. The first 8 games have been more related to the past couple of seasons than any sort of change. Crawford is Flip now, Zaza is Zaza, Evans is Evans, Joe Smith is Soloman, Collins is Zo, and Teague is Acie. This is nothing more than the Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet being recycled every year in a Junior High Art Club. Same story and different players lead to more days wasted.

So its either two things, one some of you don’t think Woody needs to change this approach to this roster and game management, or you’re holding never dieing belief that he will change although he hasn’t changed in the last 5 seasons. It comes a point in every marriage when you realize, the person you’re with is just who they are. This is just who Woody is now. He’s not changing. I love Woody as a person and wish he would. But why concentrate on the 1% chance of him evolving as an offensive coach and using depth, when 99% is closer to the reality we see every game we watch him coach.

By the way, for those who say he did a good job with Josh, Marvin, and Horford, please don’t go there. When Josh and Marvin came this was a lottery team who had just lost Walker and then Harrington. He didn’t have anyone else to play, so why not play the rookies or 2nd year players. Horford was just a man when he came into the league. And there was no way anyone would have let Woody not play a 3rd overall pick of the draft. But Diaw, Acie, and now Teague, are the true testament of Woody’s player development skills. Denver is in a harder fight to regain the #2 seed in the West, than we are to regain the #4 seed in the East. Yet with Billups and Atkins, they still find minutes to give Lawson. And yet Pretty Boy Woody can’t find time to give Teague at least 9 minutes every game?? I don’t buy that.

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GET RID OF MARVIN’

HE IS NOT NBA TALENT

HE IS THE ONLY STARTER WHO HAD A NEGATIVE +/- LAST NIGHT
AGAINST THE TEAM HE IS ALLEGEDLY GOOD AGAINST

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Tomorrows gm will be very revealing. The players, Woodson, and all of us fans want the team to defeat the Celtics. The question is, will Woodson instruct the team to attack their weak transition DEF, like we did so successfully at home during the 07/08 playoffs. Or, will he instruct them to play to their strength by walking the ball and playing halfcourt basketball.

We got destroyed all 4 playoff gms played in Boston with that idea. Will he utilize his bench, or restrict his rotation and overplay his starters? Will he bury Teague on the bench, overplay Bibby, force JJ to cover Rondo, or use the switching DEF and allow them to create mismatches against us so he can keep Bibby on the floor and cover for his inability to defend their guards? I CAN’T WAIT.

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Jelan Kendrick— Would love to see him as the Hawks starting SF in 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxjMRpzfxeg

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I think it wll be a HUGE mistake for the players and coaches to make more out of this game than it is (it doesn’t really matter what we think) . It is one game early in the season against the team that is playing the best ball in the NBA. Use it as a measuring stick to see what we need to work on to catch them but don’t take a loss, even a pounding, as a sign that we won’t be able to compete with them later in the season. Also, don’t take a win as a sign that we have all of a sudden joined the ranks of the elite. It’s one game.

Right now, Boston is playing even better than they did a couple of years ago when they won it all. They are winning games by an average of 15 ppg. They are shooting 50% from the field while only allowing their opponents to shoot only 43%. They are shooting 40% from 3 while only allowing their opponents to shoot only 30%. They are averaging 27 apg while their opponents are averaging only 18 apg. Boston has been so dominant most nights that their old guys aren’t having to play that many minutes. Lets see how those old legs look come February or March.

The only team that has beaten BOS so far is PHO and Jason Richardson was on FIRE (34 pts, 6-7 from 3). Somebody catching fire from the perimeter is likely our best chance to beat them as well. Don’t get me wrong, we should run against ANYONE when we get the chance because NO team has a frontcourt that runs the floor like ours. That said, unless we are making perimter shots, I think they will make running VERY difficult.

Rod, I love your steadfast support of Teague but I have to ask you, what in the world makes you think he can guard Rondo? I don’t like the thought of Teague matching up with Rondo at all. Even if Teague does come in, JJ will likely be forced to guard Rondo and he will have to try to chase Ray Allen off screens. Thank goodness for that switching D huh?

As for the switching D, did you catch this quote from Smoove after the game:

“We can wear a team down with our depth and our athleticism, and the way we’re able to switch we can kind of stop a lot of plays being ran.”

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=291111018

Sounds to me like the players have bought into Woody’s system. It’s the EXECUTION not the system that can be problematic,.

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Good post GeeMack at 12:11pm. we 6 and 2 at the moment. but some of us think that we have all the answer about who should be playing and
who the HC should be. I guess some o us think we can do a better job. All the jazz about what gone to happen when we get to the playoff is amazing. I guess they married to Miss Cleo the wannabe Physic.

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Woody is a bust…

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TRACEMAN-good points. Also, I believe DOC was involved once in a discussion about Outlaw having a learning disability. His success so far has been the result of patience and some hard work by HC NMcMillan and his staff. Is there anyone dumb enough to think Woodson has the patience, concern or willingness to devote the time it might take to help him adjust to the treatment, inconsistency and attitude he harbors toward young players?

If Chris Paul is so depressed and unhappy with his situation with the Hornets, all he has to do is think about where his career would be if BK had drafted him, which would have been against Woodson’s wishes. He would have certainly gotten the ALaw treatment, and the NBA would have likely been without an Allstar and potential HOFer.

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gee mack
open your eyes & your mind

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Count me in the camp who supports both Woody and Marv. I think it is GREAT that we have had so much success with Marv struggling for most of the season so far. We are going to need for him to step it up sooner rather than later though if we are going to continue to win.

I think Crawford has more than picked up the slack for Marv so far but I don’t know if it is reasonable to expect him to continue at this same pace. He is currently shooting 49% and he is a career 41% shooter. But who knows, Flip had a career year under Woody in the same role that Crawford currently occupies, maybe Crawford will do it as well.

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ISO Bron three plays in a row.

Fire Mike Brown

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Not crazy, he just doesn’t know any better i’m inclined to believe.

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I never thought I see Ray call for the head of the Mistro….Mike” on the money” Woodson….Pray tell us Ray ” what for you be weeping about?”

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SAMUEL-You’re waaay off track. I have no reason to hate Woodson. At this point, I Know he’s doing the best he can, and there’s no malicious intent on his part. He just doesn’t seem to be able to overcome his shortcomings as a HC, and that’s no reason for anyone to hate him. If I hated him, I’d be like the MWilliam haters, constantly advocating the organization get rid of him immediately. Instead, I’ve been waiting and hoping for Woodson to improve as a HC, and I’ve complained when he hasn’t. To say that I hate the man is nothing more than wishful thinking on your part.

TRACEMAN-Bibby did have a good gm last night, OFFENSIVELY, but so did the man he was suppose to have been guarding, rookie PG TDouglas, who scored a career high 23pts. And please, Woody’s so called system is nothing like LBrowns, or anyone elses. The system LBrown had in Detroit used back picks and baseline picks, and you’d see RHamilton or CBillups running the baseline and coming off those picks for open jumpers or drives to the basket.

In your wildest dreams and imagination you can’t say you’ve seen anything like that run by the Hawks since Woodson’s been the HC. If he installed that system for Marvin, or something simular, he’d be very productive and it would eliminate his OFF inconsistency. If, at this point, Woodson doesn’t trust the OFF capabilites of his players enough to run his system, he needs another system. Preferably one that better suits the OFF talents of his players. Either that or another HC.

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Welcome Ken S. !!!!!!

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( LOL ) ……. I couldn’t resist

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