A fresh start

I know you didn't see enough of rookie point guard Jeff Teague against Portland. Who wants to be their lunch money that he plays big minutes against Sacramento tonight?

I know you didn't see enough of rookie point guard Jeff Teague against Portland. Who wants to be their lunch money that he plays big minutes against Sacramento tonight?

SACRAMENTO – Before you finish your sentence complaining about Jeff Teague not playing against Portland and Joe Johnson playing too much, chew on one thing.

What if you are not alone? What if you’re not the only fan base whose general manager, coach, star player, sixth-man and last man on the roster drive you crazy?

What, you thought you cornered the market on being ticked off?

You are not.

Our good friend Nire passed along this message earlier today (or last night or whenever, being out west throws off my equilibrium, even after all these years of covering the league):

It’s always funny to me reading Blazers fan blogs and seeing how not alone Hawks fans are in our neuroses. Blazers fans have their own Mike Bibby (Andre Miller), JJ (Brandon Roy), Josh Smith (Travis Outlaw), Marvin Williams (Martell Webster), Teague (Jerryd Bayless), Al Horford (Greg Oden), and Zaza Pachulia (Joel Przybilla). They even talk about Nate McMillan almost exactly like we talk about Mike Woodson. Seriously, it’s uncanny. I just emailed Big Ray a series of blog posts from BlazersEdge where you could just substitute in the Hawks’ player’s names and it would be a typical comment section in your blog. My favorites:
“Brandon has dribblexia”
“Oden needs to be further integrated into the offense—immediately!”
“This team has needed a defensive-minded off guard — not a floor general (i.e., Miller), midget shooting guard (i.e, Bayless), or athletically challenged off guard (i.e., Steve Blake) — so Kevin Pritchard not trading for Kirk Hinrich midway through last season is inexcusable in my opinion.”

But why be like everybody else when you can move on? This is the time for a fresh start for your team and for you as fans. The Sacramento Kings await tonight at Arco Arena. They’re a new challenge, something else to focus on.

Win another game out here and then you can really start getting crazy about what could be in this first month of the season. Either way, I’m moving on tonight. No more griping about Mo Evans seeing limited minutes against the Trail Blazers after playing so well up until that game. I’m done taking shots at Marvin because he can’t seem to find his groove.

It’s time for a fresh start (tip off is at 10 p.m., don’t be late).

861 comments Add your comment

Ramon

November 4th, 2009
6:46 pm

Nightly prediction…

Smoove – 21 pts, 11 reb, 8 assists, 3 blocks, 2 steals, 4 tos
JJ – 19 pts, 7 assists, 4 reb, 2 steals, 31 min
Al – 16 pts, 17 reb, 2 assists, 2 blocks
Bibby – 16 pts, 4-7 3pt, 4 assists
Teague – 17 pts, 4 assists, 19 min
Crawford – 8 pts, 8 assists, 23 min
Williams – 13 pts, 12 reb, 4 assists, 2 trips lol

James58

November 4th, 2009
6:55 pm

Hopefully Teague has a good game,I would love to him and Mo and Marv do well tonite. I also wouldnt mind our first Collins sighting of the season…buts thats prolly just wishful thinking

GIlley

November 4th, 2009
6:56 pm

Interesting….I dislike the fact that Woody still doesn’t trust his bench and panics when the team isnt winning or close immediately. Then he starts overplaying Joe Johnson and neglecting his role players or young players except Jamal Crawford. Jeff Teague should have earned his minutes against the Lakers with his impressive play in little time. I am not the coach though and I guess we have to accept Woody’s style but c’mon Woody, play Jeff Teague. Rookies learn during the good and the bad.

swatguy

November 4th, 2009
7:03 pm

Could it be, we finally have a true leader on this team. One that can and will demand high competative intestinal fortitude…every game. Is Jamal the one?

rms

November 4th, 2009
7:05 pm

As if we hadnt talked about this enough? What does a guy gotta do to earn minutes. Its not some manual where you have to go by the book precisely everytime. Mix it up a little, twik the starting lineup a bit, go with some bigs to keep the other teams bigs off the glass, dont just stick with the same ol’ same ol’ everytime. Too predictable…

Rashod21

November 4th, 2009
7:08 pm

why dont collin play

JeJe

November 4th, 2009
7:11 pm

I don’t want to be my lunch money — I want to “bet” it. Jeje!

Rashod21

November 4th, 2009
7:12 pm

we should have played jason collins against lakers we probaly would have won he can gaurd andrew bynum and try goin big sometimes

jamal
marvin
josh smith
joe smith
al horford

GIlley

November 4th, 2009
7:12 pm

I agree we needs someone to bring it competitively each game but I’m not agreeing that Jamal Crawford is that guy. He is a guy who can score when Joe Johnson goes cold (which is often) and allow him (Joe) to be a silent threat or better closer since he will have energy to finish strong. Just have to be on the same page and learn the roles. Penetrate and pass. Mo Evans, Marvin for the corner 3. Joe Smith kick and pop. ZaZa and Horford and Josh layup. We need penetration to give our bigs easy points or shooters open shots. Crawford breaks down the defense and allows that. Less finesse ala Joe Johnson and more ACTION BOOM BOOM POW!!!

Rufus1

November 4th, 2009
7:16 pm

cdog

November 4th, 2009
7:33 pm

DOES IT MATTER WHO PLAYS AS LONG AS THE TEAM IS WINNING?NOONE IS WORRIED ABOUT WHO IS ON THE FLOOR AS LONG AS WHO IS ON THE FLOOR BRINGS A W A WIN. ANOTHER RACIST ARTICLE AIM AT COACH WOODSON. JUST KEEP WINNING COACH WOODSON DON’T WORRY ABOUT RACIST IDIOTS

TheAntiMe

November 4th, 2009
7:35 pm

It’s a very nice problem that the Hawks have not had in quite a while. Regardless of who winds up playing and how many minutes, the defense can now be more physical as the starters don’t have to tip-toe around on D to avoid foul trouble.

Now Woody can go deeper off the bench and everyone can play more aggressively on defense to harass the opposing team’s key players.

MyView

November 4th, 2009
7:39 pm

The Hawks are winning!!! I now have something to get excited about 3 nights a week. I used to watch every game anyway, but my day did not include as much anticipation on game nights as I’m feeling this year. GO HAWKS!!!

Jamal Crawford for Atlanta Mayor

November 4th, 2009
7:45 pm

I agree– to a point! Let’s just let the guys play for a while and then assess– maybe after 20 games or so. We should have a good idea of how things are going to go at that point.

I mean, right now, you’d think the Heat were better than the Cavs, just judging on early play and won-loss records. NOT!

doc

November 4th, 2009
7:51 pm

from last blog:

doc
November 4th, 2009
7:48 pm

truth:
Portland played well but lost it in the final minutes primarily because of our defense intangibles and unexpected rebound advantage.
Big Ump
Truth: that’s one of the better post this year.
nire:
Big Ump/Truth – Agreed
darrell:
Doc im sorry but woody almost blew the game, why in the world would you bring in bibby with 4min left to guard andre miller and move jamal 2 small forward 2 guard 6′9 travis outlaw, that was dum when the hawks was playing great defense with jamal at point.
nire:
I can’t believe I’m gonna say this…but I agree with darrell

HUH?

truth, it also goes for guys who treat the coach the same way.

Samuel

November 4th, 2009
7:53 pm

Dont know if I can handle two 10pm starts in a row. I may have to watch this one later. I wouldn’t sleep in Sactown. They got a guy who can go off for “fiddy” on any given night.

We may need to “slow our roll” a little and not get into a track meet with these guys. I can see Teague playing 20-25 minutes tonight.

Woody=COY

niremetal

November 4th, 2009
8:02 pm

Doc,

First, just because I praise a guy for making a good post doesn’t mean that I agree with every single statement he made in it. Second, I do agree that the Hawks won because of their defensive intangibles and rebounding advantage (although knowing Portland, I wouldn’t call that advantage unexpected). You still fail to recognize what I said many times on the other blog – the Hawks played great defense in the 4th quarter last night. All I criticized was three possessions where they failed to rotate as quickly as they needed to considering how important those possessions were. Those three possessions are the only quibble I have. I have absolutely, positively no idea why you’re trying to make my statement sound like more than that even after I’ve told you it directly. Come on, man.

niremetal

November 4th, 2009
8:11 pm

And yeah…I still wonder why Woody didn’t make better defensive assignments in the last couple minutes. I said so explicitly on the last blog – why weren’t we making offensive/defensive substitutions, and why didn’t we go with a more defense-oriented lineup during the last two minutes? It didn’t cost us the game, but it very well could have – because if we have Marvin on the floor instead of Bibby, I don’t think the Blazers get those three good looks on those three possessions. That’s why I agreed with Darrell. Because I thought he saw the same thing I did on those three possessions. Got it yet? Sheesh.

DHD

November 4th, 2009
8:12 pm

We’re 3-1 with a HUGE road win. Shut-up.

Remembering Roundfield

November 4th, 2009
8:12 pm

I haven’t been chiming in much lately but I have to express my displeasure with Mgmt for not keeping a huge center and possible low-post scorer in Garrett Siler. Sure It may have taken him 2 to 3 years to become a strong contributor, but why not at least sign him to our NBDL affiliate.What could it hurt?

Reggie (The Bird and Indian)

November 4th, 2009
8:16 pm

I hate these late starts.
Thing I want to see most tonight: The real Marvin Williams.

JeJe

November 4th, 2009
8:20 pm

The real Marvin Williams?

You are seeing him right now.

A guy who through 4 games is averaging 9 PPG, who has NBA wingspan and athleticism, but underachieves and flat-out sucks.

The Wreck

November 4th, 2009
8:21 pm

What? The NBA season already started? Call me in April and I might pay alittle attention.

niremetal

November 4th, 2009
8:23 pm

Making sure that people other than Roy took the last shots was a truly amazing defensive feat – usually the Blazers find a way to get him the ball in the crunch no matter what, but we managed to make people other than Roy take the last 10 meaningful shots the Blazers took. Despite the quibbles I have, I give full credit to the Hawks for making sure the Blazers had to turn to guys who aren’t used to taking the big shots.

If our guys play defense against the Kings like they did against the Blazers, this game will be over by halftime.

Reggie (The Bird and Indian)

November 4th, 2009
8:24 pm

JeJe

No, the real Marvin Williams is the one we saw last year for a stretch of time. The guy that was putting up 20 a game for a while because he had confidence. I just wish he had confidence when our team was healthy, because when he was doing that, we had a few guys out. Trust me, Marvin is a lot better that what he is doing right now. I guess you weren’t watching last year when he was doing that.

Reggie (The Bird and Indian)

November 4th, 2009
8:25 pm

Oops, sorry guys, I didn’t mean to bold the entire post. :)

Mz. Hawkdafied

November 4th, 2009
8:30 pm

Samuel are you referring to Kevin Martin scoring fiddy on the Hawks. As long as the Hawks secure the win I could care less about his fiddy. There is no NBA team that should be slept on and hopefully the team knows this and will act accordingly.

Go ATL Hawks get that 2nd road win.

roan st

November 4th, 2009
8:32 pm

Just saw my first Brandon Jennings highlights on ESPN and good lord has that kid got game. He is super talented and looks to me to be the early favorite for rookie of the year. I’m happy with our pick as well, Teague is fearless, has speed, and that is one hell of a combination. I just hope Woody gets him his minutes so he will develop properly.

Reggie (The Bird and Indian)

November 4th, 2009
8:32 pm

The Wreck
Don’t make Tech fans look bad.

niremetal

November 4th, 2009
8:35 pm

I don’t make many predictions about individual games, but I figure that since I got a shout-out in Sekou’s post, I’ll take a gamble and make one :) : The Kings’ young frontcourt has looked very good so far this year, but they will get manhandled inside by the Hawks’ frontcourt.

Reggie (The Bird and Indian)

November 4th, 2009
8:40 pm

niremetal
You were on the Braves blog during the season, right?? Or am I imagining that?

niremetal

November 4th, 2009
8:46 pm

Reggie,

You definitely imagined that, unless I have a doppelganger – not a fan of baseball anymore. It’s just the NBA, ATP, and NFL (in that order) for me.

O'Brien

November 4th, 2009
8:54 pm

I think Good Josh shows up tonight. And didnt Horford have a big game against Sacramento last year?

I look for JJ and Crawford to have big games tonight. (I just realized that Crawford is the Hawks second leading scorer at 15.8 pts per game)

Reggie (The Bird and Indian)

November 4th, 2009
9:06 pm

niremetal
I think it must be that somebody has a similar name to yours. And I’m almost positive you were a regular here last year. So maybe I got the seasons mixed up. By this time of the year, I lose all interest in baseball. It’s tough for me to watch the world series. But during the summer I watch some Braves baseball. It’s basketball time now, but the Saints and Georgia Tech are making it hard for me to focus on the Hawks, with their good years.Usually by this time of the year, Tech is 5-4 with with no hope of going anywhere better than the music city bowl, and the Saints are scoring 37 a game and giving up 38 a game.

O’Brien
I think Horford had a pretty nice game against Sacramento last year. The only huge game I remember from him is the game against Miami, I believe. He had something like 27 and 21. He’s impressed me so much this year already.

chemdawg

November 4th, 2009
9:07 pm

See, the thing is, it’s not just about winning. It’s also about keeping a sound strategy for winning over the duration of a long season into the playoffs. Guys will get tired and injured. If Woodson spreads out the minutes now, bench guys will be prepared to step up when called upon, and it may even prevent overuse injuries to the starters. Woodson has some talent and depth now. It’s his job to manage it properly.

Flappin' Hawk

November 4th, 2009
9:12 pm

I’m loving Woodson’s rotation concoctions. I know he’s loving it. I’ve never seen the man smile so much on the side line. Coaches don’t make a team good, players do…and we finally have a stable full.
Keep Mixin’ N Matchin’, Woody!
GO Hawks!

Clyde

November 4th, 2009
9:13 pm

FIRE WOODY

ROLL TIDE

Clyde

November 4th, 2009
9:15 pm

THERE SAMUEL GO WITH THAT COY STUFF AGAIN. SMH

Mz. Hawkdafied

November 4th, 2009
9:23 pm

Shum on chemdawg tellem. Wit chemdawg on:

See, the thing is, it’s not just about winning. It’s also about keeping a sound strategy for winning over the duration of a long season into the playoffs. Guys will get tired and injured. If Woodson spreads out the minutes now, bench guys will be prepared to step up when called upon, and it may even prevent overuse injuries to the starters. Woodson has some talent and depth now. It’s his job to manage it properly.

AMEN!

Nightly prediction…

November 4th, 2009
9:25 pm

Horford will be 0/7 from his own shot and will be 6/8 from garbage shots like the one Crawford gave him on the fast break. Horford cant shoot!

Big Ray

November 4th, 2009
9:30 pm

I ain’t trippin’ about Teague not playing, although I did want to see him play. I’m not going to hate on Woody about this for two reasons:

1) Would you rather see Teague guarding Roy out there? That’s no way to treat a rookie against the likes of Roy and Miller.

2) Woody gets it this time: leave the hot player on the court…this time it was Jamal.

To put Teague in there, you had to take one of those two guys out in a tough game. Or you had to take Bibby out. And while that’s arguable, a win on the road against a good team is what it is. Teague wouldn’t have played scared, and he generally takes care of the ball. But our guys got it done.

Now if he doesn’t play tonight, I’ll be screamin’ like a fool.

Interesting what the Blazer fans had to say. But I got a few gripes with their gripes:

1) They don’t know how lucky they are. Had we not had an afroed-brain fart moment in 2006, they wouldn’t even have a chance to complain about Roy.

2) Last I looked, their JJ (Roy) signed a contract extension and is locked up for another 5 years. Our JJ may not stick around, meaning this could be the last season.

3) Call him soft if you want, but Lamarcus Aldridge is a matchup nightmare, a true scoring big man, and a great #2 punch to go along with Roy. We’re still arguing about which of our guys can possibly be that #2 punch, or if we even have that on the roster.

4) They were able to add a good veteran pg to their stable of young runners. We had to add one just to have a freakin’ point guard.

So what the hell are THEY complaining about?

Oh yeah…..we DID beat that azz last night, didn’t we?

:) :twisted:

R.U. KIDDIN'ME

November 4th, 2009
9:32 pm

USING THE WORD”COACH” & THAT BONEHEAD WOODSON IN THE SAME SENTENCE IS DIS RESPECTFUL TO THE PROFESSION @ ANY LEVEL IN ANY LEAGUE!!!!

Dan

November 4th, 2009
9:38 pm

I don’t understand the complaining…the Hawks are 3 and 1, with a chance to get out of the west coast at 2 and 1…not sure what else anyone wants.

We have a good team, everyone. Sit back and enjoy the ride. We all remember how bad things used to be…just try and be happy.

Sautee

November 4th, 2009
9:39 pm

I’ll remind the Horford Haters before they get started what Woody said:

“There’s going to be nights when Al is going to lead us in scoring, and the same goes for Marvin and [Josh].”

So who doubts Woodson? I don’t.

i_am_soulstar

November 4th, 2009
9:44 pm

If JJ plays aggressive defense on K-Mart, and the Hawks play decent basketball, this one’s over before it starts

Truth-Serum

November 4th, 2009
9:44 pm

Yes!! JJ and Crawford are a 1st class back court. Now if we can get a first class front court to go with our first class coach when can legitimately get in the title picture.

Flappin’ Hawk – Ditto and amen!

GIlley I got to respect your post. All these haters because Woodson wont play their boy or run their amateur version of offense nor follow their inexperienced advice. You had the class to recognize that its Woodson’s team. He has won, He is winning and he will win, playing Woodson style of ball. I may not like it but hes getting the most out of it and the Hawks are winners and fun to watch. I dont see you as a hater but as a man who would like to see Woodson do it Galley’s way. I feel you. I wish he would do it Truth-Serums way. He is the man. Its his show. Good post Galley. Good post true Hawks!

TheAntiMe – True-Dat!! Youre on point!

cdog Yeah all these haters should be congrad u lators. Woodson Rocks!! Just win Baby!!
Let the whiners whine. Every body is better than the man doing the job. The man wins with very little or limited talent. Rock on!!!

Samuel – Go Woodson

Mz. Hawkdafied Yes Woodson is loving his many options. He did not have these before and still managed to make the playoffs, with one second tier all star. -Go Woodson.

Remembering Roundfield – Me too! Siler would have been to this organization what Bynum is to the lakers in 3 years.

Shout out to the bubba posse hate crew….Whats up haters?!

Ken Strickland

November 4th, 2009
9:45 pm

JEJE-Allstar and NBA champion KGarnett is averaging 11.3PPG, MBibby 9.5PPG, ABogut 10PPG, JCalderon 10PPG, RArtest 11.3PPG, RJefferson 11.7PPG and TPrince 12.3PPG. These are all players that have either recently signed lucrative contracts or been acquired as starters to improve their teams. WOULD YOU SAY THEY’VE BEEN LIGHTING UP THE SCOREBOARDS OFFENSIVELY? REMEMBER, IT TAKES VERY LITTLE EFFORT TO BE CLUELESS AND EVEN LESS EFFORT TO BE A NARROWMINDED HATER.

Reggie (The Bird and Indian)

November 4th, 2009
9:49 pm

Ken Strickland: Exactly.

KevinA

November 4th, 2009
9:54 pm

MVP of game last night,Josh, ZaZa close. Last year Flip and ZaZa saved many a game after the starters put us in the hole. Two players had that look in their eye. ZaZa and Josh. They willed us to win. They put everything out on the floor. Best skilled – maybe not – but these boys brought it.

Tonight is bench night and I think they will play great. We will fire off the spark of hard play last night.

Crawford was awesome.

Blast

November 4th, 2009
9:56 pm

For real, y’all. Acquiring Jamal for two cents and change might turn out to be the best trade this off season.