Pump your brakes
LaMarcus Aldridge will get a chance to get after Josh Smith (hand reaching for the ball) and the Hawks tonight at the Rose Garden. A knee injury won't keep him on the sideline (and major props to my man Salim Stoudamire - corner right - who is one of Portland's All-Time finest).
PORTLAND – Pump your brakes.
I’ll do it if you do it.
Because it appears we’ve gone a bit overboard with the panic room act after the Hawks’ loss Sunday in Los Angeles to the Lakers.
More than a couple Hawks reminded me before, during and after practice Monday that we’re still in the first, five-game stint of the season. We’re just three games in, with Game 4 up tonight against a strong Trail Blazers team at the Rose Garden.
“People had us winning the championship last year when we got off to that 6-0 start,” Hawks captain and All-Star Joe Johnson said and then laughed. “Everybody needs to calm down and just keep working. It’s a long season, man. Every coach I’ve ever had tells you that [the season] is a marathon and not a sprint. And that’s true. Don’t get me wrong, you’ve got to play with urgency. But you also have to keep the season in perspective.”
Perspective is something that would come in handy around here, for me and for you.
I’m not in the habit of predicting disasters but I can admit to having a bad feeling about that Lakers game. I knew they’d be hungry to make a point after losing at home the Mavericks a couple nights earlier. And I know the Hawks have a penchant for not fully understanding what it is to be focused, locked and loaded on the road.
JJ erased any fears I had with his outlandish first quarter performance against the Lakers. After he lit Kobe Bryant up for 18 points in nine minutes I started crafting my “Hawks finally show claws at Staples” story. Then the third quarter came along and I hit the delete button.
This game against the Blazers presents a similarly tough challenge; my guess is road teams won’t find this venue much easier to deal with this season than they do Staples Center. It also provides the Hawks with a chance for a little Rip City redemption. Find a way to outwork the Blazers and their All-Star (Brandon Roy)-led crew and maybe we can put file that Lakers debacle away for nit-picking at a later date.
CLOSE TO HOME
For Seattle natives like Jamal Crawford and Marvin Williams, the annual trip here to Portland is closest they’ll get to home. Since the Sonics packed up shop and moved to Oklahoma City (and were renamed the Thunder), there’s been a huge void in the road schedule for teams used to doing the Pacific Northwest two-step between this city and it’s neighbor to the north.
For guys who grew up immersed in the NBA culture that that Sonics provided that void is even more pronounced.
“You grow up your whole life dreaming about making the league and playing for the Sonics,” Williams said. “I was lucky enough to make it and play in Seattle before they [left town]. But it’s brutal, not having them anymore. It still stings for a lot of people and probably always will.”
Marvin’s career-high remains the 33 points he dropped on his hometown team Jan. 25, 2008. In fact, he’s always played well when the Hawks travel to this northwest corridor of the country. Maybe it’s all the family and friends that come to see him. Or maybe it’s just being in familiar territory that gets him going. Whatever it is, don’t be surprised to see both Marvin and Jamal go off tonight against the Blazers.
GOOD JOSH, BAD JOSH
There’s a funny, or not so funny depending on your perspective, debate that happens on press row shortly after the start of most Hawks games about which Josh Smith is in the building.
Is it good Josh (the one averaged 18.5 points and led the Hawks in assists by attacking the paint in the first two games of this season) or bad Josh (the one that showed up for that Lakers game and rarely ventured inside on offense and remained largely ineffective for all but a few minutes)?
The Hawks need good Josh to show up against the Trail Blazers tonight. They need the active Josh, the one that played superbly at home in wins over both the Pacers and Wizards to start the season. They need the Josh that changes games with his defensive presence and triggers and finishes fast breaks like few players in the league can.
What they don’t need is the Josh that spends more time complaining to the referees than he does chasing rebounds and loose balls. They don’t need the Josh that refuses to dive to the basket when JJ has the ball on the wing and is being double teamed and needs a safety valve.
I’ve debated with numerous folks – scouts, agents, executives, other players and just about anyone else you can imagine – this notion that the Hawks go as he Josh goes. I’ve never really bought into that premise. But I’m starting to see the light. When he’s at his best, the Hawks are literally at their best. And when he’s not … you saw the Lakers game.
ALDRIDGE TO PLAY?
The status of Trail Blazers big man LaMarcus Aldridge is no longer uncertain for tonight’s game. The knee injury he suffered during Sunday’s win over Oklahoma City is not expected keep him out of the game, per the Oregonian.
Aldridge has given the Hawks major fits here – averaging 20.0 points and 9.5 rebounds in Portland’s last two games against the Hawks here.
ONE LAST THING
I ran across this link that is required reading from Yahoo! Sports columnist Adrian Wojnarowski. Woj attacks the simmering issue that is Chris Paul’s plight in New Orleans. It’s good stuff. Take a break from work, my treat, and read it. You’ll be glad you did.
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Ernest
November 4th, 2009
1:23 pm
Sekou, I’m assuming you are on the road with the team (sorry if you mentioned that earlier). How are the new guys blending in? It may be too early to tell but this is an important part of developing chemistry. Maybe you could give us an article about what their off days are like on the road, when you don’t have a major topic to cover.
Teague Will get his tonight
November 4th, 2009
1:29 pm
Mark it down. Teague will get tons of PT against the lowly Kings AND GO OFF!!!! He mathches up better with Tyreke Evans than Bibby. Besides….they suck. If Woody doesn’t play this man against the lowly Kings i’m coming for dat A$$ MIKE WOODSON!!!!! DON’T TRY YOUR LUCK MIKE!!! DON’T TEST DISGRUNTELD HAWKS FANS YOU BALLED BISCUIT HEADED BABOON……YOU BETTER PLAY TEAGUE.
Teague Will get his tonight
November 4th, 2009
1:37 pm
…..AND JASON COLLINS TOO.
Mz. Hawkdafied
November 4th, 2009
1:38 pm
Ms.Dee I like Marvin in the starting line up personally. And I am one of those who thought he upped his D last season and also improved on his 3 point shot. I remember Marvin jump roping at the beginning of games to get his energy up. Perhaps that will help him come alive or awaken from his slumber. He was great in the preseason I don’t know what happened though. Anyhow I like the idea of Jamal coming off the bench being a scoring threat like Ginobli is for the Spurs and like Jason Terry was for the Mavericks. Looking forward to the game when J Craw drops fiddy on opponents whether he starts or comes in as the sixth man. It really doesn’t matter to me who starts and who comes off the bench as long as all players gets a chance to make their contribution to the team. I know only twelve get the opportunity each game night. Alll I ask is all thirteen get some action more frequently this season. Of course I’m no bball expert, just a fan who wants to see the team succeed. I was just hoping the team could see success with a deeper rotation.
JeJe
November 4th, 2009
1:48 pm
“Jamal off the bench is perfect. No way you change that up”
How can you say this? Our starting lineup gets off to terrible starts every game. There’s no way Marvin should be starting on this team or any other NBA team. And people can say he’s in a slump, or that we have so many weapons, but he really is a lowly basketball player. I wouldn’t even say he’s a top 20 SF.
How can someone who is 6″9 (closer to 6″10) with a Scottie Pippen-looking wingspan, who looks athletic, and who went to UNC, be so mediocre?
Anyway, putting in Craw, Bibby, and Joe sounds sick but may be too many players who need the ball. Maybe move Smoove to the 3 and put Craw at the PG, or put Mo in with Joe and Craw
Rod from College Park
November 4th, 2009
1:51 pm
darrell starks,
“Rod from college park i no you going 2 hate me for this but marvin is our best defender at the 3 beside josh, unless we starte josh at the 3.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!”
I don’t hate you, but I do realize that you are incorrect. Our best defender besides Josh at the 3 would be Joe. Marvin is not I good defender, I don’t know where that information coems from. He can only guard one position, and can’t stop anybody that is an above average player. Did you see Joe on Roy in the second half yesterday? Did you see him check Granger in the second half of the Indiana game? Marvin’s only above average qualities are his FT shooting and his rebounding.
Mz. Hawkdafied
November 4th, 2009
1:58 pm
Rod from College Park does not free throw shooting and rebounding help win games? I recall a few games last season where missed free throws cost the Hawks the game and being outrebounded too.
keno
November 4th, 2009
2:06 pm
Jamal is perfect coming off the bench. I have seen this guy play many games as a Knick and he shows glimpses of greatness. He’s shaky on defense. That being said, from listening to his interviews, he casually throws out that “they” say he should be a starter or he would rather be a starter. I wonder how long he really will be contempt with coming off the bench. Just a thought.
Rod from College Park
November 4th, 2009
2:09 pm
JeJe,
“Jamal off the bench is perfect. No way you change that up”
“How can you say this? Our starting lineup gets off to terrible starts every game. There’s no way Marvin should be starting on this team or any other NBA team. And people can say he’s in a slump, or that we have so many weapons, but he really is a lowly basketball player. I wouldn’t even say he’s a top 20 SF.”
Exactly. These Marvin supporters won’t realize that until we start getting down 10 to 15 points in the first quarter to the Boston and Orlando’s of the world and can’t come back. We have already gotten down big to 2 teams this year already, and had enough to fight our way back into the game. Boston and Orlando won’t let us back in.
Rufus,
“Please stop blaming Marvin for being drafted 2nd…If he was drafted 18th, no one would be complaining. I think peoples anger over Chris Paul and Darren Williams clouds your objectivity. If we had the number 1# pick, Bogut would be a Hawk…Would you prefer Bogut?
Yes, I would prefer Bogut. I would prefer about 20 to 25 other small forwards in the league right now. Hell, I would prefer Stackhose and he is not even in the league. I would complain no matter where he was drafted because he is not and NBA level small forward. I have been complaining about him since we drafted him, so this is not new for me. Any guy who gets paid 7.5 million dollars to do a job, should be able to hit a wide open jumpshot or rebound the ball at 6′10. Remember he was not drafted to be our 5th option, and he was not compensated to be that either.
BYC
November 4th, 2009
2:12 pm
LEEDSATLANTA -> If Woodson really does play Teague 20+ minutes tonight, lets Joe get some rest (<30 min), and beats the Kings easily. I will give him his props…
Rod from College Park
November 4th, 2009
2:13 pm
Mz. Hawkdafied,
Of course they do, but he does not assert himself enough for either of them to make that much of a diffence for ou team. Remember when he was out for an extended period last season, we went on a tremendous run.
Rod Never Anwsers These Questions
November 4th, 2009
2:17 pm
If marvin is such a bad defedner against above average players:
How did he hold Lebron to only 16 points during the time both were on the floor the last time they played before marvin’s back injury ,last march?
How did he hold carmelo to 16 on 4-17 shooting last decembre and outscore him while holding him to his season average in february?
Why did sekou call him our best defender against opposing wings in the story on his injury last march?
Why do you have all those posters of him on your wall and wank to images of him at night? Its clear thats what you do because thats what people as obsesed as you are do. No one else talks so much about a player as yuo do about marvin so whats up with that?
Ed Gray- Douglas Edwards
November 4th, 2009
2:21 pm
Rod from College Park,
Get off Marvin’s sacs, He is the 4th maybe 5th option on this team….your horrible head coach refuses to call plays for him…if he got the touches he would easily average 20 every night because he can shoot, and he gets to the line and hits his free throws…..He also is a good defender…Some SF’s like Granger, Pierce, Durant, Melo and Lebron are going to score regardless of who is guarding them because they are the focal point of their offense unlike Marvin…the only thing holding the hawks back is Woodson and a legit 6′10 or taller big man, but hell if we got one woodson probaly wouldnt play him any way…
The bottom line is
Rod quit hating on Marvin, u act like he hit your girl or something…on this team he will never average avg 20 or more
terrell barron
November 4th, 2009
2:26 pm
Where else is Woody going to find a job that pays this much and gives you the luxury of traveling all over the U.S.(A honey dip in every town)? I’d play my best player 45 min a night my damm self if my job depended on it.
niremetal
November 4th, 2009
2:59 pm
My friend the Photoshop wiz has come up with a new and improved version of the JT-0 pic. Here ’tis – and notice the modified lettering on the front of the GTO:
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2964/jt0q.jpg
Mike is back
November 4th, 2009
3:18 pm
Nire, really coooooooooooool stuff!!!! Lol
Mychelfromatl
November 4th, 2009
3:19 pm
Rod from College Park,
Tell’em Why You Mad Son!!!!!!!!!!! I mean good God I have never saw a bigger hater in my life!! What is it that Marvin have that makes you just despise and blindly hate on him so much?? Like seriously, there is 20-25 Small Forward’s in the league thats better than Marvin, even Jerry Stackhouse right-now is better than Marvin??? GTFOH!!!! Oh Okay I get it, Marvin made it to the league and you didn’t, U MAD??
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
November 4th, 2009
3:21 pm
niremetal
your friend did some nice work man. The JT0 is nice touch. He should throw a couple of Hawks Dancers in the ride to top it off! lol
Rod from College Park
November 4th, 2009
3:30 pm
Rod Never Anwsers These Questions,
“How did he hold Lebron to only 16 points during the time both were on the floor the last time they played before marvin’s back injury ,last march?
How did he hold carmelo to 16 on 4-17 shooting last decembre and outscore him while holding him to his season average in february?
Why did sekou call him our best defender against opposing wings in the story on his injury last march?”
Don’t we switch on defense? Maybe Lebron had a bad game. He still scored over his season average that game. Maybe Carmelo had a bad game. One or two games make you a good defender? What happened in the playoffs? What happened agianst Danny Granger? What happens everytime he plays Gerald Wallace or Kevin Durant? Who has he ever shut down? Are you gay? Why bring up gay references? Go to the other blog, and take that other gay stuff with you. Ask for Niremetal maybe he will play with you.
Ed Gray- Douglas Edwards,
OK. No response needed. Search ther archives.
Ramon
November 4th, 2009
3:31 pm
Jeje, do you ever watch Track and Field? When you are running a relay, you don’t have to put your best out first. You realize that if you stay in striking distance with this lineup while the opposition is using their best, then you always have more options to go to. If Crawford was starting at the 2 guard, he would be forced to slow down his tempo which would benefit the opposition more so than the Hawks. Very rarely in the first 10 minutes of an NBA game, do you see teams getting up and down the floor. Having Teague and Crawford come off the bench, leaves the Hawks with another gear in reserve that they can use. If it was Williams coming off the bench as the sixth man, what difference would he bring to the game? What kind of spark off the bench would Williams bring? As many have said, Ginobli was a better scorer than Bowens. Bobby Jackson was even better at penetrating than Bibby was in Sac. Kukoc could’ve played the starting three, with Pippen taking Harper’s position. But strategically, that would hurt you more than help you. You don’t neutralize your own advantage. How many second units can score with Crawford? Its not about the starters outscoring the other team’s starters. its about the Hawks (collectively) outscoring the other team. Last night’s game was a great chance to see what difference it makes. Also you have to realize Marvin is in a slump, just like Artest, Nelson, Baron Davis, Maggette, and many more players who you know will figure out whats wrong.
Now that aside, I will say that I would trade Marvin for Jeff Green in a second lol.
Rufus1
November 4th, 2009
3:33 pm
Marvin
He averages 14pts a game…How can you say he is not a NBA level small forward. How many players average 14pts a game…THIS THE NBA!! If you average 14pts and 6 rebound, YOU GET 8 mil a year. If you go down the list of players who have average 13-15 per game, most of them are the #1 or #2 option on there teams and they make atleast 8mil(except the new players).
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Scoring.jsp?pager.offset=50
Please stop talking about 14pts and 6rebs like any fool could do it….PLEASE
SAY IT OUT LOUD, HE AVERAGES 14PTS A GAME IN THE NBA!!!!
Rod from College Park
November 4th, 2009
3:50 pm
Mychelfromatl,
I’m assuming you are a woman so I will be nice about this. We don’t do SON in the south. Take that back to New York. Do some hip-hop research. You hate on someone when you dislike him or her for no reason or you are jealous of him or her. I have a reason to dislike Marvin’s game, and I damn sure am not jealous of him. I would never want to be in a situation or on a team where no one respects me at my job or in my industry but some non-informed bloggers. You should have used SEEN not SAW. Yes I would take 20 forwards in the league besides Marvin and my point was made last year and has been proven so far this year. Stackhouse would give us more at the 3 now than Marvin has this year, and he actually was a better player than Marvin for his whole career. I have done pretty well for myself, so I have come to terms with not being in the NBA. Yes I am mad because Marvin is making the team that I support worse than they should be. If you have ever lived anywhere besides Atlanta, you will know that this is what real fans do. You should not have to wait 6 years for a #2 pick to step up and be a real NBA player. Any other real basketball city, Marvin would be getting drinks thrown on him after the game. While you would not understand this, Marvin simply need to have some nuts and step his game up. Sorry that I disturb you so much, but deal with it or go to another blog with all the Marvin lovers. That was as nice as I can possibly be.
niremetal
November 4th, 2009
3:59 pm
Hawks Fan in NO,
Actually, I’m hoping that next, my friend can Photoshop the car onto a highway so that it looks like JT0 is flying down the interstate with the top down with this picture of Woody in the passenger seat next to him:
http://www.goerieblogs.com/sports/giveandgo/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/mike-woodson-211×300.jpg
She’s done good work on JT-0 so far, so I have faith
Mac-Town
November 4th, 2009
4:03 pm
Marvin would be alright……..off the bench
Mo Evans should start in place of him.
Blast
November 4th, 2009
4:04 pm
Great road win last night againts a quality team. Jamal did what he was brought here to do: Score and make plays. Hope Hawks take confidence in beating Portland at home, especially after the Lakers debacle. I expect Hawks to beat Sac-Town and Charlotte. No better way to improve your road records than beating teams you should beat. Go Hawks, Go!
Amazing how much energy folks expending hating on Marvin. I am quite aware of Marvin’s shortcomings, but he is a Hawk, and as true fans, our job is to support whatever product management puts on the floor, good or bad. And I will say this again. No matter how much we hate or whine about Marvin’s contributions or lack off, we have no power to do anything about it. We can hate and blog negative stuff until we are blue in the face, MW is still a Hawk with a long term contract. So assuming ASG keeps him, are we really gonna spend the next 4 years lamenting about him? Wish you luck on that one. Even in a win, Hawks fans still have something to gripe about. Can’t wait till tonight, so we can see Marvin stumble, fall on his ass, and lose his handle again!
And about Teague, can we just take a chill pill? DNP in a game and we all assume he is in Woody’s doghouse. Woody wanted to win that game, and felt more comfortable playing his vets. Look for Jeff to get his minutes tonight.
Mac-Town (478 Eastside Macon reppin)
November 4th, 2009
4:06 pm
wow I’ve only read the first couple of sentences with Rod and I agree with that part…take that “son” sh*t to queens or somewhere this is the south!!!
Mac-Town (478 Eastside Macon reppin)
November 4th, 2009
4:07 pm
Marvin wouldn’t even start of most of the bottom feeder teams of this league….it’s an outrage that he starts on a playoff team like the hawks…..is this not true???
Rod from College Park
November 4th, 2009
4:11 pm
Rufus1,
If you go down the list of players who have average 13-15 per game, most of them are the #1 or #2 option on there teams and they make atleast 8mil(except the new players).
Rasheed Wallace, Trevor Ariza, Ron Artest, David Lee, Charlie V., Stephen Jackson, Jameer Nelson, JR Smith, Marcus Camby…. all make under 8 million a year. YOur point is really valid. LOL
Rod from College Park
November 4th, 2009
4:31 pm
Mac-Town (478 Eastside Macon reppin),
Yes it’s true.
Ramon
November 4th, 2009
4:46 pm
MacTown are you sure about that? How many SFs in the league can shoot better and play better defense than Marvin? Also how many of them SFs play in a simple one on one offense as this one?
Huh!
November 4th, 2009
4:50 pm
Look, I’ve been mad at Marv too. But if you look at his stats, there a lot better than that overhyped stick in the mud Tayshaun Prince. LBJ never dunked on Marv like he did tayshaun. At least marv wouldn’t run and duck for cover like a lil bytch (Tayshaun) The Hawks have heart many. We will at least foul you and send you to the line.
Busts:
Kwame Brown
Michael Olawakandi
Tony Battie
Adonal Foyle
Greg Oden
Hasheem Thabeet(trust me on this one)
Kedrick Brown
Ethan Thomas
Darius Miles
Dsegana Diop
Adam Morrison
Sean May
Mateen Cleaves
Sebastian Telfair
Stromile Swift
Dujuan Wagner
Johnathan Bender
DARKO MILICHIC
look, I know marv is strugglin’ right now, but at least he’s not one of the scrubs on this list. That would be a SERIOUS problem lol. I’d probably hafta blow up his car or sumthin’.
terrell barron
November 4th, 2009
4:54 pm
Rod, How can you put Wallace and Artest in that category. They took A LOT less money to go after a ring. Lee took what he could get, Ariza was a nobody until he played with Kobe, and Villanueva makes just as much as Marvin. I guess you think Marvin shoulda turned down his deal? A player is worth what an owner is willing to pay him. Remember that!
Rufus1
November 4th, 2009
4:56 pm
Rod
I am going to go down you list
Wallace-old and busted
Ariza-averaged 8pts a game last year, no one offered him more.
Ron Artest-took less
David Lee- asked for 12mil a year
jameer Nelson-7.6mil
Stephen Jackson- will average over 8mil the next 4 years
Camby-9.6mil
Villnueva- I got nothing
J.R smith – on a previous contract.
You forgot about
Lamar Odom
Tayshun Prince
Ray Allen
Paul Milsap
Hedo Turgalou
Jermaine Oneal
Emeka Okafor
Tyson Chandler
Kenyon Martin
Andre Miller
Rashard Lewis
Caron Butler….And on and on
Marvin plays Defense and rebounds.
Mac-Town (478 Eastside Macon reppin)
November 4th, 2009
4:56 pm
Ramon…about the shooting, I would say you have a point if it wasnt for the fact that marvin’s shooting is very streaky.
A better question would be: How many SFs trip up and fall on 90% of their drives to hole, and cant finish on the other 10%?
maybe I’m not as hard on Marvin as Rod, but I believe he’s a back up at best, especially on a playoff team like the Hawks. He doesn’t deserve as many minutes as he gets.
In other words…you’re asking how many SFs can do a better job than Marvin….you dont have to look that far away. It’s the guy backing him up, Mo Evans. He flows better on offense with the hawks and also plays quality Defense.
Ramon
November 4th, 2009
4:57 pm
Huh, if you think Oden is a bust, I don’t know whats wrong with you.
Ramon
November 4th, 2009
5:00 pm
Mac, you do remember that Mo Evans was a starter on a play off team as well? And Marvin draws fouls better than JJ. Mo Evans makes crazy plays all the time on offense, and is a worse defender than Marvin. Marvin production would rival that of Rip Hamilton with any other coach. And please don’t forget not many SFs in the league will give you 7 rebounds a game. And even you and Rod have to admit Marvin’s block last night was great defense.
BONE
November 4th, 2009
5:11 pm
I know why Teague wears the number 0 on his Jersey. It’s cuz he knows thats how many minutes he’s going to get after playing well.
O'Brien
November 4th, 2009
5:36 pm
I think Teague should have gotten some minutes last night, but the Hawks still won. They play the second game of a back to back tonight, and I trust what Sekou said, that Teague will get his minutes tonight. I will not hold Teague’s DNPCD last night against Woody. Now, if Teague doesnt play tonight, thats a different story.
Since JJ played 46 minutes last night, I hope Woody does a good job of resting him early, so JJ can finish strong in the 4Q.
Sautee
November 4th, 2009
5:43 pm
Mac-Town,
about this: “How many SFs trip up and fall on 90% of their drives to hole, and cant finish on the other 10%?”
Since I called out Rod for saying Marvin fell 60% of the time, I’ll HAVE to call hyperbole on you for this. You say it as if it’s a fact, when it obviously is NOT.
If it SEEMS like that, and THAT’S what you say, ok. But don’t state it as a fact, ’cause you KNOW it’s gross exaggeration. Keep it real if you care about having credibility in this room.
Yes, I admit he falls often. But nowhere NEAR your exaggerated figure.
As Keyshawn says “C’mon Maaan”.
Rod from College Park
November 4th, 2009
5:50 pm
terrell barron,
This is the statement that was made by Rufus1
“If you go down the list of players who have average 13-15 per game, most of them are the #1 or #2 option on there teams and they make atleast 8mil(except the new players).”
Notice the #1 or #2 option and the “at least” 8 million. I simply disproved his point.
Huh!,
Tayshaun Prince and Marvin do have very similar career averages, but Tayshaun is a 3 or 4 time all defensive selection. That award is usually voted on by the coaches in the league, and does hold some weight in my book. He also was asked to guard the other teams best scorer at the 2 or the 3 man to man most of the time and Marvin could never do that. Tayshaun also was an integral part in his team winning a championship. He has career playoff averages of 12.5ppg and 5.6 RPG compared to Marvin at 8.5ppg and 2 RPG. He also was not drafted #2 in the draft, can drive to the basket without falling, can actually handle the ball and is a much more fluent player in my opinion. No comparison of the two players is valid. I would venture to say that most gm’s in the league would take Tayshaun over Marvin including our present and former gm all things being equal.
Rod from College Park
November 4th, 2009
5:54 pm
Sautee,
He might actually be close to 90% this year for real. I might have to do my research on that one. I have all the games TIVO’d. Get back at you on that.
2.5
November 4th, 2009
6:03 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XddxFJyVkA
funny josh smith video!
2.5
November 4th, 2009
6:07 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2zKMKQ3RSw&feature=related
funny JJ video!
Rufus1
November 4th, 2009
6:22 pm
Rod
How did you disprove my point?
The list I gave you is a list players making more than 8mil..average between 13-15pts. Those are the players off the top of my head. There are atlest 20 and maybe 30.
Perfect example-TREVOR ARIZA
With the laker he averaged 8pts a game…Now as the #1 scoring option in Houston he averages 18-20pts. Amazing how being the #1 option effects your points.
Ron Artest averaged 20pts in Houston…With the Lakers 12pts. Amazing how being the #1 option effects your points.
Just a thought.
How many points would Ariza average in Atlanta? HHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMM
Just another thought.
Ree
November 4th, 2009
6:23 pm
`Watch for the guy in the white shirt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4dHFuN6Wto
Big Ump
November 4th, 2009
6:24 pm
Truth: that’s one of the better post this year.
niremetal
November 4th, 2009
6:32 pm
Big Ump/Truth – Agreed
doc
November 4th, 2009
7:48 pm
truth:
Portland played well but lost it in the final minutes primarily because of our defense intangibles and unexpected rebound advantage.
Big Ump
Truth: that’s one of the better post this year.
nire:
Big Ump/Truth – Agreed
darrell:
Doc im sorry but woody almost blew the game, why in the world would you bring in bibby with 4min left to guard andre miller and move jamal 2 small forward 2 guard 6′9 travis outlaw, that was dum when the hawks was playing great defense with jamal at point.
nire:
I can’t believe I’m gonna say this…but I agree with darrell
HUH?
truth, it also goes for guys who treat the coach the same way.
Ken Strickland
November 4th, 2009
7:59 pm
ROD FROM CP-I appreciate your reverence for Granger and your desire to have him in the Hawks starting lineup instead of Marvin. However, this is not a FANTASY LEAGUE BASKETBALL blogs, although there are a lot of bloggers that seem to think so. No matter how much you bash and degrade Marvin, Atlanta Hawks GM Rick Sund IS NOT GOING TO TRADE MARVIN FOR GRANGER, not matter how much better he is, or you think he is.
So why don’t you spend more time focusing on the Hawks as a team and less on Marvin as a player. BECOME A TEAM SUPPORTER INSTEAD OF A PLAYER HATER.
Grandad
November 4th, 2009
11:23 pm
Rod from college park excuse me. Im a stupiid mother f_cker. I thought I could fool you. You probably figured out that im really ken, I think I gave it away when I started to show my hate on woody. If you see me Please piss on me. Every one else does, so why not. I must remember to keep my mouth closed, Im going to go back to being ken for a minute. Thank, sorry about my stupidity. Im handicapped with hate.