The morning after

The Hawks' frustrations were fueled by their own mistakes against the Lakers Sunday night at Staples Center.

The Hawks' frustrations were fueled by their own mistakes against the Lakers Sunday night at Staples Center.

LOS ANGELES – It probably feels just as nasty this morning as it did last night, that taste in the Hawks’ beaks after the Lakers kicked dirt all over them.

How a two-point game mushrooms into a 24-point rout in a matter of minutes would normally require CSI-level examination.

But not where the Hawks are concerned. The anatomy of their latest road debacle is similar to so many of its predecessors.

By now you know the routine. The Hawks trade punches, they make a decent game of it until things go slightly awry and the sky starts falling. The fall began with their disastrous third quarter, when the Hawks started handing the ball over to the Lakers like they were ordered to by the LA County Sherriff’s office.

And they wouldn’t stop giving it up. Play after play, they just kept turning it over. Josh Smith got his hands dirty, Al Horford, Jamal Crawford and Zaza Pachulia did, too.

The meltdown on the bench soon followed, with players shouting back and forth about the sloppiness.

The Lakers didn’t need the help. But they were happy to take advantage of the Hawks ineptitude and immaturity.

They piled up 12 fast break points in the third quarter alone, an 18-0 run ensued and the Lakers ended the game a good 20 minutes before the final buzzer sounded.

“We were so sluggish with the basketball, throwing it all over the gym,” Hawks coach Mike Woodson said. “They had a lot to do with it because they got up on us defensively and we went the other way.”

It didn’t help that the Hawks’ momentum early was halted by a head-scratching substitution. Joe Johnson was on a tear in the first few minutes of the game, piling up 18 points on 7-for-8 shooting, when Woodson inexplicably pulled him from the game with 2:39 to play in the quarter. For all the times we’ve moaned and groaned around here about JJ playing too many minutes, this was not the time to interrupt his flow. The playing rotation be darned, let the man shoot until he missed five straight. He stays on the floor until he misses, right?

Not this time.

Lakers star defender Ron Artest deserves a lot of credit for holding Johnson to just one field goal the rest of the way (Kobe Bryant certainly had no luck slowing Johnson down), but in hindsight, that quick and unexpected hook from Woodson seems even more perplexing after the fact.

“I’m not the coach of this team and I don’t decide who goes in and who comes out or when they do it,” a still upset Johnson said after the game about his groove being interrupted. “That’s beside the point. We didn’t fight at all in that third quarter. We just let things get out of hand and didn’t take it on ourselves to man up and defend the way we have to.  You saw it, we just let them punch us in the face and we didn’t stand up for each other, we didn’t help each other at all. That can’t happen, not against a good team or any team. That just can’t happen.”

It did, like it has many times in the past for this team.

And the Hawks took yet another shot to their pride and profile on the big stage.

213 comments Add your comment

Mychelfromatl

November 2nd, 2009
10:23 am

Mychelfromatl

November 2nd, 2009
10:26 am

Wow…second time in my life.

Great to hear Joe get into the team after the letdown (not this home-sick stuff again this year, seriously?). All in all I did see things that have me thinking this is a much better Hawks team than last year.

@danweiner

November 2nd, 2009
10:30 am

Wow, you just killed it Sekou. This all falls on the shoulders of Woody. Inexplicable is the absolute best way to describe the decision to pull Joe. Beyond that, this team just doesn’t listen to Woody. Part of the problem in the third quarter is that the team just settles for jump shots time and time again. There is no aggressiveness whatsoever. Woody screams at them to be aggressive and they don’t listen. This team needs an attitude adjustment and it starts with the head man.

Mychelfromatl

November 2nd, 2009
10:31 am

- “The Hawks took yet another shot to their pride and profile on the big stage.”

SMH…SMDH(Shaking My Damn Head).

Mink

November 2nd, 2009
10:32 am

Yes, you were first. Contribute something useful besides the schoolgirl-giddy “first”. Hate that…

Anyway, I’m glad you said that about Joe’s substitution, b/c I was furious. He was on FIRE and it was sure to be one of his few 40 point games, if not better.. Unbelievable way to completely kill the momentum. We got outcoached BAD last night.

Mink

November 2nd, 2009
10:33 am

That loss last night has me sour. Sorry to snap Mychel, haha.

Ed G

November 2nd, 2009
10:34 am

Woodson pulling Joe was one of the biggest gaffes he’s made. Pretty much indefensible.

I especially don’t like hearing about players bickering and already questioning coaches.

ILL-logical

November 2nd, 2009
10:35 am

To our good friend in Portugal:
Thank you for your insights, they represent a fresh perspective and an unusual passion for professional basketball in general and the Hawks in particular.
However, as this is a marketplace of ideas and opinions a value may be assigned to the various expressions exhibited here. Your last two comments indicate to me that you had a keen but highly selective eye focused on the Lakers game.
First, you mentioned broken plays-what plays where broken except iso Joe since those were the only ones I observed? Second , you impugned certain motives based upon what-telepathy ? There was enough counterintutive behavior on the part of each and every starter last evening to fill a column but you seemed to be able to discern the thoughts of only one individual and seeminly ascribe the totality of responsiblity for the teams performance to that one individual’s moral shortcomings.
Perhaps your geographic location provides you with extra sensory perception? However if it does how could it not discern the lack of fronting of their man by our center when he was being overpowered by his opposite number or our small forward’s complete lack of concentration regarding his defensive assignment. Your antagonist’s man did not score 41 point!
My point is that when you express your opinions do not expect them to viewed as sacrosanct because of the erudite manner in which they are expressed.

A more careful reading of the facts and circumstances ,offered by the beat writer, offers a more nuanced but blunter viewpoint: coaching and the skillfull application thereof was a major if not determing factor in the contest’s outcome. You might wish to utilize your powers of discernment to determine the current head coach’s thoughts and motivations.

Mink

November 2nd, 2009
10:35 am

And there was a crazy case of deja vu last night where #5 was hanging around the 3-point line ALL NIGHT LONG just like years past. The first couple of games he was so disciplined and was in on so many rebounds. WHAT IN GOD’S name is he doing out there. Does he really not know he can’t shoot?

A Thinking Fan

November 2nd, 2009
10:38 am

Time for a coaching change; thanks Woody for your contributions these past 4/5 years! So long and have a good life as an assistant somewhere in the NBA of failed HCs.

Ed G

November 2nd, 2009
10:39 am

Anyone got a thesaurus?

tjhook_76544

November 2nd, 2009
10:40 am

I didn’t watch the game until late second quarter but I saw a team that competed on both ends, but does not have enough bullets in its gun to take down big elephants like the Lakers, Magic, Celtics, etc. Marvin Williams did not compete: He stood around during halfcourt sets on the perimeter. Why is a 6′9 guy not at least trying to score in the paint. Bibby and the others were working to create scoring opportunities, but the newly minted Hawks was content to let the team play 4 on 5 offensively.
Defensively, the Hawks are smaller than the Lakers; Andrew Bynum cherry-picked a lot of offensive rebounds and Lamar Odom helped finished the effort. That’s why running and gunning suits us: Our speed and athleticism is supposed to get bigger teams in foul trouble or make them temper their aggression.
We need to trade Marvin Williams. We need to get in this Stephen Jackson trade situation. We need another player who will play with a sense of urgency. A rookie with three games of experience (Teague) has more game savvy than Marvin. Teague played in the 4th quarter- I don’t even think Marvin saw the court in the final 12 minutes.

ES

November 2nd, 2009
10:40 am

I was following J.A. Adande’s live feed on ESPN during the game and he too was perplexed as to why Johnson was taken out. Was it foul trouble? Because even if Johnson had two fouls, you let the dude stay on the floor. He was the reason we were in the game at that point.

Also, Josh Smith still hasn’t learned that his game needs to start inside, not outside. Long 2’s are worse than 3’s! A long 2 pointer is the worst shot for him to take. He refused to drive to the hoops last night and it cost him.

Marvin is sleep-walking out there. He is straight sleep walking.

Love the effort from Crawford; at least he tried to attack the rim. He’s going to help us this year.

dap01

November 2nd, 2009
10:41 am

If a player refuses to play where he is suppose to play (not at the 3 point line), then take him out. What do you have to lose.

Does Woody want Josh out there?

Joja Boy

November 2nd, 2009
10:42 am

I think Woody, needed to experiment with a lineup that matched up better with the Lakers Length. He allowed the Lakeshow to dictate who he put on the floor instead of the other way around. During the fourth, after he had a better feel for who had it, he should have played, Joe Johnson, Joe Smith, Al Horford, Josh Smith, and either the Rook or Bibby. Lamar Odom is comparable to Josh, with much more seasoned approach and had him frustrated. Put Joe Smith on him and allow Artest to battle with Josh. You need Josh’s athleticism out there. Bibby played well agaisnt Fisher, as did Teague. Crawford for some reason had issues with Fisher, and for obvious reasons against Kobe. Overall I like the Hawks fought back, but they have to play tougher on the road… Too many times I saw lay-ups allowed. I beleive in the old addage, If you cant beat’em, Beat’em. Meaning if the score gets out of hand, make them think twice about throwing lobs to Farmer, or Kobe taking it the hole. Make sure he remembers how it feels to earn a trip to the freethrow line. For years I have watched Joe Johnson, when in a one-on-one situation with a player of equal or greater talent allow the lay-up. Set the tone, you never foul out, so that shouldnt be a part of the thought process, and if you do so be it.
Hawks need to take a more blue collar Detroit Bad Boy approach, and develop toughness needed to crack the top 6 teams in all of the NBA. They have the talent, now they need to accept the responsibility!

O'Brien

November 2nd, 2009
10:43 am

Woody is partly to blame for this loss.

If his plan says to pull you with 3 minutes left in the quarter, then he will pull you with 3 minutes left in the quarter, no matter how hot you are. I remember a couple games years ago where Marvin would be on fire in the first quarter. But at the first time out, here comes Childress, just like clockwork. Even if Marvin had 8 points in the first 5 minutes, here comes Childress for Marvin. Woody does not know how to ride the hot hand.

If his plan says pull you when you get 2 fouls in the 2nd quarter, then he will pull you when you get 2 fouls no matter what the score is, no matter if you’re shooting lights out. Woody manages very rigid, and is unable to make adjustments.

I have been one who has screamed that JJ plays too many minutes. But if JJ played 40 minutes against the Lakers and we won, I would have been okay with that, because that first win would set the tone for the trip. And there would be opportunities against Portland for him to get a breather.

That being said, JJ is right. Guys are not playing their role, and they’re playing soft. I was very disappointed in Josh last night because all his old havits from last year re-emerged. Dribbling the ball on the fast break, taking shots from right inside the 3 point line, whining too much (I think he is the one JJ was talking about).

Sorry for the long post guys, but its frustrating and embarassing to see us perform like that time and time again on the road against good teams

Mink

November 2nd, 2009
10:43 am

Marvin looks uncomfortable and out of place; if not clumbsy and uncoordinated. Makes you wonder how he worked in the offseason. Zaza too. Did Eno by Zaza take away some of his focus? Both of those guys were fumbling the ball all over the place like I do when I haven’t picked up a ball in a while. Zaza has done it every game so far. I think they’ll get it together though.

Time to Go

November 2nd, 2009
10:51 am

lol people are killing me with that “I didnt expect us to win, it was the Lakers” crap.
For one thing, thats a HORRIBLE way to go about it anyway.
Secondly, even if you must go about it in that manner, though it was a very very very tough game, you could be understandable about a lost where the hawks played pretty solidly and just got beat by a better team, but that isnt exactly what happened.

It was the same dumb mistakes as the last 2 years by the same characters.

In my opinion, Marvin, Josh, and Woodson have to go for the Hawks to be successful.

Woodson has no idea as a coach, just look at his offensive scheme and how he pulled a hot player IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS HOT STREAK.

and to me…EVERYBODY ON THIS TEAM basically knows their role, except marvin and josh

How many more times must we watch this goof marvin cough of the ball or fall down while he poorly attempts to drive to the hoop???

How many times much we watch Josh pretend to be the superman that he’s not? Trying to beat guys off the dribble, bring the Ball up court, taking long jumpers, etc.

Woodson’s inept coaching and Marvin/Josh’s non ability to play their roles properly is killing the flow of this team!!!!

Face the facts,,,,on a playoff caliber team THAT EXPECTS TO MAKE NOISE….Marvin should just be a guy that comes off the bench who can knock down jumpers for you

and unless Josh Smth is on a team like golden state or phoenix that likes to constantly get up and down the floor, he should just be a high energy guy off the bench in our style of offense.

If all we’re gonna do is ISO and let our players try to beat people off the dribble or shot the jumper…you dont want a player like Josh taking up BIG minutes in a situation like that because he’s not good at either.

Mink

November 2nd, 2009
10:52 am

You hit the nail on the head O’Brien. Great post.

Undisputed Champ!

November 2nd, 2009
10:56 am

Yes, this is Woodson fault that Zaza committed those turnovers, and the hawks ran with out the ball. Its Woodson fault Horford got dominated in the paint. Its woodson fault he has only one guy producing…. all of this is woodson fault. Its woodson fault zazaz and horford fell apart in the post against a real center. Its woodson fault that we dont have a center and cannot beat the WorldChampions!! Its Woodsons fault. Trade Woodson. That will fix the problem!

Mink

November 2nd, 2009
10:58 am

Seems like if we had Greg Popovich as our coach with this roster, we’d win 60 games. Our poor attempt at an offensive scheme is humiliating. You know Mark Price hates to watch it from the sideline, knowing his advice goes right over Woody’s head. It’s amazing to me that we don’t really even run an offense at all. I watched our Preseason Camp Special on NBATV, and we didn’t practice any offensive scheme at all. We went over some fundamentals, and did fast break drills the rest of the time..

Mink

November 2nd, 2009
11:00 am

Champ, if we had made a simple adjustment to front Bynum, it would’ve saved us 10 points. He is clumsy when trying to gather the ball, and our backside help would’ve caused enough turnovers to prevent the pass. Are we undersized? Yes, but adjustments aren’t made.

joeisajoke

November 2nd, 2009
11:04 am

Maybe Mr. Joe Johnson needs to say something during the game instead of running his mouth after the game. He is always quick to down his teammates to the media. They didn’t down him when was doing anything in the playoffs all of them said he would be fine. This guy isn’t a leader. You don’t think it is interesting that guys don’t play the right way on offense when he doesn’t get the ball. Woodson’s stupid everybody on the perimeter give JJ room to dribble the shot clock offense is not working. Smith is on the perimeter because that is where Woodson is putting him. The offense is stagnant because Johnson doesn’t move the ball. When the offense was moving through Smith and Horford the TEAM got better shots not just Joe. I don’t want to hear but he avg. 5 assists. He has the ball at least 30% of the time on offense. He gets assists because he has to give the ball up not because he wants to.

macaroni tony

November 2nd, 2009
11:04 am

You guys kill me on this blog. You can not blame Woody for this lost. We were in this game at half time, we even took the lead in the third quarter until they gave the dame ball away. Marvin, JS didn’t play up to there potenial, and that was one reason why we lost. This is the third game of the year and now you guy want to destroy the team “amazing.” I guarantee that the next game will be different. All these guys keep crying about JS making bad shoots, he only took four shoots from long range (not saying that it was smart). One of the shoots was an air ball, and that was at the shoot clock buzzer. We’re not going to go 81-1, just we have to gear up for the next game.

O'Brien

November 2nd, 2009
11:07 am

Champ,

Also, in the 3rd quarter, Woody needed to call some plays that gave JJ an open look. The ones with the turnovers in the 3Q were Josh, Al, ZaZa and Crawford. But Woody has no plays, no scheme. All these years, and JJ still cant get a screen or pick and roll that gets him going?

Roxas

November 2nd, 2009
11:15 am

I’ll give you this both Marvin and Josh did mess up, but to get rid of both is retarded.

All Josh needs to do is drive the ball hard to the basket, and if he can’t pass the ball.

BONE

November 2nd, 2009
11:26 am

The blame for this loss is on 3 people and I’ll list them in order:

1)Woody the woodpecker- Why in the hell would u take Joe out when he has scored 18 pts on Kobe IN THE 1ST QTR. And he made no adjustments after halftime.

2)Marvin the duck- Once again he was the invisible man. He did nothing. When was the last time he has made his presence known?

3)Josh the Chamelion- Once again Josh tries to morph into a different player. This time he thought he was Magic Johnson or somethin. He’s still shooting jumpers instaed of attacking the basket. HE still tries to bring the ball up the court and fails miserably. Like
I said on the last blog. Josh is too damn dumb.

i_am_soulstar

November 2nd, 2009
11:33 am

Woody pulling JJ after a hot streak was a bone headed move, but its not the reason we lost. We lost because the Hawks lack mental toughness, as they clearly exhibited in the third quarter. Those guys really looked like they had Similac on their breath. Gotta get it together.

darrell starks

November 2nd, 2009
11:36 am

Defense wins championship thats the only shot the hawks have

1.starte jamal at point he is a better defender than bibby he’s quicker and taller.
2.we need height at center starte jason collins at center and move horford 2 power forward and josh 2 small forward.

STARTER JAMAL, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, JASON
BENCH BIBBY, MOE, MARVIN, JOE SMITH, ZAZA.
THIS WILL BE A STRONGER DEFENSE TEAM PLUS YOUR BENCH WILL BE STRONGER.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

November 2nd, 2009
11:42 am

Bone you can’t over play your player plus we have a deeper bench now.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

Brian

November 2nd, 2009
11:42 am

I’m so sick and tired of these mental breakdowns. They’ve been happening for 6 years. This franchise will always be a pile of dung. It always has been.

Willie Coyote

November 2nd, 2009
11:44 am

They still let the lack of calls get to them. Sure it should make you mad when you don’t get the whistles the other team is getting but too often, this team lets it take their focus. They have got to get mentally tougher because they are never going to get their fair share of calls. This is the NBA afterall.

They need to give more effort on the glass. True the Lakers have a big front line; all the more reason to ratchet up the intensity on the glass. We have some more big bodies that can help in these instances; we just need to use them.

JeJe

November 2nd, 2009
11:51 am

Why is Woody so persistent on keeping the same starting lineup? We’re the only team who keeps the same starting lineup year after year after year.

Take useless Marvin outta the lineup and put in Crawford.

My God

JeJe

November 2nd, 2009
11:52 am

STOP PLAYING MARVIN.
HE STINKS

and why are Bibby’s arms bigger than any of our bigs? Joe Smith and Horford look like they haven’t eaten since Obama was inaugurated

Undisputed Champ!

November 2nd, 2009
12:01 pm

Mink that doesnt make sense to me because If horford fronts him they lob the ball behind him or sneak some one underneath Bynum who is then a screen for an easy basket. The belief that an undersize and underpowered power forward can cover a true center by moving to the front of him is ridiculus. Never has happenend nor ever will. The best way to defend a center like bynum is put another center on him. I think we should have keep siler and devolped him like Bynam was a three year project.

O’Brien If you make the plays you have you win. The Hawks problems have nothing to do with Woodson who has done a great job. The Hawks problems are a talent issue or rather that lack there of!

O'Brien

November 2nd, 2009
12:03 pm

Listen guys,

I am not giving up on the Hawks. I still think they win 50 games, and compete for the 3rd/4th seed. But I know they have the potential to be better. They have talent, but can’t seem to put it together consistently.

Biggest reasons why we lost (in no particular order):

1) Woody: Pulling JJ when he was hot in the 1st quarter (JJ never got in rhythm after that). Plus Woody has no offensive scheme, or no plays to get JJ an easy shot when we really need a bucket

2) Turnovers 3) Bad defense

4) The play of certain guys (specifically, Marvin and Josh)

Undisputed Champ!

November 2nd, 2009
12:04 pm

The hawks are like a tootsie roll pot a hard front on the out side but soft in the center!

Undisputed Champ!

November 2nd, 2009
12:05 pm

Hawks win fourth place and bow out in the second round, problem?…no center. This script is already written.

MitchC

November 2nd, 2009
12:16 pm

These Hawks might end up being like the Knicks of the early and mid 1990s. Remember how during the Pat Riley years in New York, the Knicks would feast on everyone at MSG in the regular season, and pile up incrddible home records, and then whwn they went on the road, and played the likes of the Bulls, they would fold. Our Hawk team is a little different then the Knicks teams of the 1990s, in that they only had one scary scorer in Patrick Ewing, and a bunch of guys who sometimes couldnt hit a shot.

The Hawks of 2009-2010 will likely turn out to be like those Knick teams, a 50 win team that does well at home, has trouble on the road, and will fade against an elite team in the playoffs like Cleveland. We may be good, but we have yet to prove we are good enough to compete for a championship in the NBA

rusty

November 2nd, 2009
12:20 pm

marvin & zaza was not there at all. bench marvin. jj played great for one quarter,thats all he is capable,it seems. we need to let our point
guards to handle the offense.jj never gives a hard foul,he runs away
when one one is driving hard to the hoop. we need to set up some plays for crawford & not zaza coming to ser screens only to get in his way.this team has no offense & never shows ball movement,get rid of the
woodpecker

Mychelfromatl

November 2nd, 2009
12:22 pm

SMH, some of you dudes are the funniest armcharm qb’s I’ve ever saw in my life. FORREAL!!!

JeJe

November 2nd, 2009
12:26 pm

Woodson is an idiot for taking Joe out. I told my friends during the game it was a dumb move. Woodson feels he has to rest Joe now that we have Crawford. PLAY THEM TOGETHER, MORON

Marvin Williams stinks. He is not good enough to start in this league. The reason we are paying him 8 million a year is because no one else offered him a contract (seriously — go read everything. No one wanted this guy. Who the hell wants a 13 ppg SF who is timid for 8 mill? Not me) and the owners are dumb enough to overpay in that case

Joe Johnson NEVER calls himself out. It’s bad he was taken out, and we needed him all 48 minutes, especially since he didn’t play much on Friday vs. Washington, but hold yourself accountable too. You aren’t a superstar. You’re an average 20 ppg player who inspires no one

The Truth

November 2nd, 2009
12:26 pm

Without the bumper-sticker basketball mentality, how did we really lose this game?

The switching defense was abusively used and those times it used, it was poorly executed. When a Hawk player switched to double-team, he often left his opponent wide-open with no secondary help.

The Hawks played way too slow for a 3-forward frontline team. This was made to order for an easy Laker victory (who did not shot that well except Kobe). Besides the many Laker’s dunks and lay-ups, the Hawks still had their chances to win until the collapse in the 3rd quarter with turnovers and miss jump-shots. On the road and against a big frontline team, we must play to our strength with speed, quickness and athleticism to overcome our lack of size. We will rarely win games with this style of play against a team like the Lakers. We’re walking the ball up and they are clogging the middle and baiting us to take jump shots. When the game gets away us, our stabilizing force is JJ taking a stuff jump shot.

As I have previously said and still maintain, the acquisition of Crawford did not address our real problem of lack of frontline size. As JJ pointed out in his interview, we are too-soft upfront with no real physical presence to be respected by bigger opponents. The fanfare of signing the 7 footer Collins is a joke if we aren’t going to use him in situational games. Some of those easy dunks may have been averted perhaps if he was in the game. All this talk about Bibby being the defense liable, what about Zaza; he is even worse with his limited athletic abilities at the center position. Since he signed his new contract and acquired his new restaurant, he has been playing like a bum. If this is going to be the guy to backup an already under sized AL Horford, then we may want consider plan “B”. Joe Smith may enhance the offense, but we need an athletic brute off the bench to match-up against the elite teams. Woody may dig himself a real deep hole (in the lose column) before he realizes that Zaza is not the answer to get us the next level.

Woody substitution timing needs to get worked out. Ok to take JJ out for brief rest in the 1st half, but why exit Bibby in the 1st half of the 3rd quarter? He was the only Hawk scoring and kept us close. When Crawford replaced Bibby with Zaza in the game, the turnovers mounted and the game got away. Woody failed to adjust; stayed with that lineup too long and the Lakers lead swelled to over 20 points. Get used to me saying through-out the season; Deja Vu all over again, Woody failed to adjust. Teague maybe the only Hawk player off the bench with a complimentary game of attacking the basket that adds real value when the jump-shooters starts struggling; Woody needs to trust him more.

JeJe

November 2nd, 2009
12:33 pm

21 Questions:

1) Why is Marvin starting? HE IS NOT WORTHY TO START
2) Why does Woodson not have any offensive plays? The whole scheme is one-on-one with feeble picks set
3) Why is Horford so in love with his fadeaway jumper which never goes in?
4) Why doesn’t Josh Smith realize he is so effective this year when he DRIVES THE LANE and uses DECISION MAKING SKILLS?
5) Why are there only 3 backup guards/wings? How the hell do you take the starters out and have the remaining guards/wings in?
6) What is the point of getting Othello Hunter over another wing like Stackhouse? It’s obvious we don’t need 2 backup bigs who never play (Othello and RandMo)
7) When is this team gonna start winning on the road? We haven’t won a meaningful road game since almost January 2009
8) Why is Bibby bigger than all our bigs?
9) Why are JJ and Evans also bigger than our bigs? Joe Smith and Horford look almost anorexic
10) Why is Joe Smith’s defense so pedestrian?
11) Why can ZaZa NOT make a layup?
12) How the hell is Marvin Williams making 7.5 million a year for us? 6 points last night…People act like he had a bad game — um no, he does this every night
13) Why is our playcalling so bad?
14) Why is JJ never going to be a leader for this team? He never takes responsibility for everything and says “we” rather than “I”
15) Can the owners please let JJ go after this year and throw all their “money” at Dwyane Wade?
16) Why will Woodson NOT alter the starting lineup? He acts like we only are allowed to have 1 lineup. Freaking start Crawford over Duck. My Goodness — Williams is the worst player in our rotation
17) Why do we have 3 frontcourt starters who are all the exact same size? It would be great if we could get rid of Duck for a Marc Gasol
18) Why are the Hawks so content with having this same core? Can we please make a move to get rid of the waste (Marvin) so we can get another wing
19) Why can’t this team win on the road? It could get ugly
20) Why does this team have no leader?
21) Why is Bibby so damn overweight-looking? He does not realize that at his age he needs to be thinner so he can be more mobile and not so bow-legged-looking

This is not a knee-jerk reaction or just because of this past game. I have had these thoughts for a while. Thank you

Duh!

November 2nd, 2009
12:35 pm

Ladies and gents this why why Jamal Crawford ISN’T a Point guard. Teague should been in the game. I was already mad that he ONLY played eight minutes in the Washington game. Maybe now Woodson will wise up and give Teague his due…..bTW Teague WASN”T in the game when all of this foolishness in the 3rd quarter started. Crawford was the PG….I believe Bibby might have been in there as well, but I’ll check.

The Truth

November 2nd, 2009
12:39 pm

Duh!

The game blow up with Bibby on the bench with Crawford at the point and Zaza at center.

JeJe

November 2nd, 2009
12:40 pm

The Lakers did not even play well last night. Box out Bynum more and guard Kobe tighter (less layups) and we win despite our 29 turnovers in the 3rd quarter

The Truth

November 2nd, 2009
12:40 pm

correction: The game blew up with Bibby on the bench with Crawford at the point and Zaza at center.

Peter

November 2nd, 2009
12:40 pm

Marvin Williams = Softest forward in the league…….

The guy is over paid, and like……… a Boy amongst Men !

Dan

November 2nd, 2009
12:41 pm

joeisajoke,

You must have missed it when Joe Johnson said “we” before his comments. Not sure how that means he was throwing his teammates under the bus.

My biggest worry, besides the turnovers, was watching Josh Smith fall back into his love affair with jump shots. That guy says he wants to be an all star and he can be. But, if he is going to always settle for jump shots (which he can’t make) then he will never get there. That guy has all the talent in the world. Seriously lacking in decision making, though.