Woody’s words of wisdom
Jamal Crawford and Hawks coach Mike Woodson are on the same page now after a brief meeting of the minds after Crawford played just 12 minutes in the season opener.
HAWKSVILLE – Jamal Crawford was understandably a bit confused about his role as the Hawks’ sixth man after playing just 12 minutes in the season opener.
A prolific scorer sitting on the bench for most of a track meet that ended in a 120-109 win for the Hawks didn’t make much sense to anyone else either, including Hawks coach Mike Woodson.
So he did what any reasonable people manager would do, he called Crawford into his office Thursday (well before tonight’s game against Gilbert Arenas and the Wizards of Washington at Philips Arena) and dispensed a few words of wisdom.
“I had to let him know that he is a big part of what we’re doing here,” Woodson said. “I can’t sit here and say, ‘Jamal I’m going to give you 35 minutes a game.’ But I have to make him more a part of what we’re doing, without a doubt. Because he has a position on this team where he can score the ball for us and be a big threat and take some of the pressure off of Joe [Johnson] and Mike [Bibby], Marvin [Williams], Josh [Smith] and Al [Horford]. He is coming off the bench and you need guys coming off the bench to score the ball. I’ve got to help him and put him in positions where he can be successful and help us win games.”
I asked someone to translate that from coach speak for me and apparently it means Woodson reminded Crawford that he’s a scorer first and foremost and not to lose that mentality, even when he comes off the bench. Crawford has shown off spectacular passing skills throughout the preseason and even in the opener. But the Hawks need him to do what comes naturally, and that’s score at will.
That sounds like a reasonable plan to me, especially with Arenas and the high-scoring Wizards in town.
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JeJe
October 30th, 2009
6:17 pm
Good stuff. He did look a bit timid on Wednesday.
LET’S SEE THE SHAKE-N-BAKE.
WOODY, LET BIBBY REDUCE HIS MINUTES TONIGHT. WE NEED THE VET TO PLAY SUNDAY VS. THE LAKERS. LET TEAGUE AND CRAW GET THEIR MINUTES ON ARENAS. WE HAVE TOO SLOW A STARTING BKCOURT TO CONTAIN HIM.
LET TEAGUE AND CRAW GET THEIRS TONIGHT. LET BIBBY PLAY 25
JeJe
October 30th, 2009
6:18 pm
Didn’t Crawford say something about Woody telling him to score in the preseason, but Craw thinks he’s more than just that and kinda ignored Woody? Sekou, do you know what I’m referring to?
Jimmy
October 30th, 2009
6:22 pm
Coach Woodson sounds like all talk to me. I don’t mean that in a negative manner either. I think he’s saying the right things, as far as using his bench more, but when it comes down to it–IE in a game situation – he’s just more comfortable w/ his starters. It’s just the second game though so hopefully we’ll see him use the bench a lot more in the future(starting tonight), also on this upcoming road trip w/ a few back to backs.
JeJe
October 30th, 2009
6:31 pm
It’s become apparent that no matter how well the bench does, Woodson will keep our same starting lineup in the last 80 % of every 4th qtr. What’s his damn obsession with having Marvin in? The guy is an average stiff. Why have we had the same starting lineup the last 3 years? Make a change and put Crawford in the starting lineup
O'Brien
October 30th, 2009
6:34 pm
Woody has said a lot of things in the past that he has not followed through on. He also told Crawford that he wants him to lead the league in scoring off the bench. Lets hope he gets it right, because Crawford is a scorer, and he needs minutes. Plus, like Woody says, it takes pressure off JJ, and should allow Woody to cut JJ’s minutes down to 35 or so.
I posted this on the other blog, so I wanted to repost it here.
Ray,
I agree. Marvin needs to step up defensively. With the players we have on this team (JJ, Bibby, Josh, Crawford), with Woody’s system (and Marvin’s lack of aggressiveness), Marvin is never going to develop into an elite scorer. What I would like to see him do is hang his hat on defense. I’m not saying he will be Artest like, but I would like to see him take the next step defensively (because I dont think he will take the next step offensively).
As Rod would say, there are quite a few SF who are better than Marvin (LeBron, Carmelo, Granger, Gerald Wallace, Caron Butler, Paul Pierce, Richard Jefferson just to name a few). So Marvin needs to have a mindset that says “You know what, I might only score 14 ppg, but my guy will not score more than 14 either”.
Gilley
October 30th, 2009
6:54 pm
Not much you can do in 12 minutes but Woody panics when his team is not winning and messes up his rotation..Which means he still doesn’t trust his bench. You have to be cool and temperamental during the game and just encourage the guys. Don’t always panic and change your game plan when things start slow or don’t go your way. I support the Hawks but I have never been a fan of Woody as a coach.
Big Man
October 30th, 2009
7:00 pm
Woody is no coach. Only in title. He doesn’t coach anything. He’s terrible. The players win in spite of him. The Hawks have a nice roster and have a lot of talent and cohesive pieces. Jamal will be a valuable cog in Woody’s favorite play….One on one at the top starring Joe Johnson(with Jamal possibly getting in on that with his one on one skills).
Sautee
October 30th, 2009
7:03 pm
I personally like that Crawford says he’d rather get 10 assists off the bench than lead the league in bench scoring. I don’t think it’s realistic, but I like hearing it.
IF he gets even 6 or 7 assists off the bench it would be (as Woody might say) HUGE.
Sautee
October 30th, 2009
7:04 pm
Sekou,
Which would YOU rather have off the bench, a high scorer or a high assists man?
tbhawksfan
October 30th, 2009
7:14 pm
I can’t belive it. Woodson leaves Craw glued to the bench. Is he trying to break his spirit too? Is Woodson’s best coaching asset his ability to destroy his players confidence ?
I thought I was going to read how Woodson forgot all about Crawford; you know heat of the moment and all.
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
October 30th, 2009
7:14 pm
Obrien – Great point on Marvin Williams.
I hope he proves me wrong, but I have no faith or confidence in Woody implementing anything of significance to reduce JJ minutes – even if we have the answer (Jamal C.) right on the bench.
GO HAWKS!
james
October 30th, 2009
7:15 pm
Its not enough to just say this in the office Woody has to say it during the game but also back it up by calling sets to get Crawford the ball as well letting his teammates know that in certain situations I expect you to find Crawford just as we would Joe especially when Joes not in the game . No posting up Zaza after the opponent runs off 4 straight points.
Sekou Smith
October 30th, 2009
7:15 pm
That’s correct JeJe. The Hawks need Crawford to score. And I’ll take the scorer for $800 Sautee.
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
October 30th, 2009
7:22 pm
tbhawksfan
Woody gives us the impression that he thinks my man is inadequate.
Acie wasn’t doo doo, neither was Salim yet when they left here – they sure felt like it.
Woody has zero player development skills whatsoever. But that’s stating the obvious and this horse has been dead and beaten for years around this blog. Let’s hope he gives JJ rest tonight and we win.
truly1
October 30th, 2009
7:22 pm
Hey but sekou dont you think that if crawford plays more minutes from joe johnson in his position he will naturally score because i like the passing he is doing and dont want him to stop that.
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
October 30th, 2009
7:25 pm
Give him minutes and he will score and rack up assists. Play him and they will come.
Blast
October 30th, 2009
7:38 pm
Give Crawford his minutes, draw him plays, and watch him put the ball in the hole.
GAMETIME!!!!!
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
7:43 pm
aight Ray… lets see… Joe on Gil
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
7:44 pm
jump shot happy early…
BONE
October 30th, 2009
7:45 pm
stop with the f*cking jumpshots
BONE
October 30th, 2009
7:45 pm
stop with the f*cking jumpshots
madtbone
October 30th, 2009
7:45 pm
Dear Josh Smith,
If you don’t see the paint under you, pass the ball!!!
BONE
October 30th, 2009
7:46 pm
All thanks to Woodson’s just dribble and shoot offense.
J
October 30th, 2009
7:47 pm
Hello,
Arenas looks amazing out there. We could be in for a long night. Hate to say this, but we need to slow it down and go half court.
Cheers,
J
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
7:48 pm
thats what i wanna see boy!!!
BONE
October 30th, 2009
7:48 pm
Josh still can’t shoot free throws
BONE
October 30th, 2009
7:49 pm
The Hawks switch every f*ckin time. Damn this team is badly coached
madtbone
October 30th, 2009
7:50 pm
Is that Brittany’s baby daddy playing for the Wizards?
madtbone
October 30th, 2009
7:51 pm
Points in the paint. What a concept!
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
7:53 pm
that first step is back…
madtbone
October 30th, 2009
7:53 pm
Friday night at Philips. It looks like there are 2000 people there.
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
7:55 pm
interesting lineup… i like…
BONE
October 30th, 2009
7:56 pm
Yea there only 2000 people there becuz they don’t wanna see woody’s bad coaching in person.
Blast
October 30th, 2009
7:57 pm
Joe is attacking early. Great.
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
7:58 pm
looks good.. looks good…
truly1
October 30th, 2009
8:00 pm
get joe some rest now we have a bench
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:00 pm
wow… that is elite company on that J Crawford stat…
madtbone
October 30th, 2009
8:01 pm
WOOT!!! The Village Idiot is in!!!
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:02 pm
Crawford’s defense looking strides better early…
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:03 pm
yes suh!
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:04 pm
we in stunt mode!!!
Sekou Smith
October 30th, 2009
8:04 pm
That’s the Jamal Crawford people came to see.
BONE
October 30th, 2009
8:05 pm
Jamal is gonna attract some new fans.
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:05 pm
somebody wipe the ball off…
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:06 pm
look at the Vet!
madtbone
October 30th, 2009
8:06 pm
Nice Play by Joe Smith.
truly1
October 30th, 2009
8:07 pm
looks like teague aint playing
2 FOR JOHN DREW
October 30th, 2009
8:07 pm
LOVING CRAWFORD …… HE’S STARTIN’ TO OPEN IT UP !!!!!!
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:07 pm
Stevenson look like Kimbo Slice lil brother…
BONE
October 30th, 2009
8:07 pm
Jamal is playing some good D
Sekou Smith
October 30th, 2009
8:08 pm
There’s a little left for Teague truly. Ha.
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:08 pm
we got a squad yall…
madtbone
October 30th, 2009
8:08 pm
Nice play by the reserves. I hope their hard play rubs off on the starters. Crawford is a highlight reel so far.
Blast
October 30th, 2009
8:08 pm
Watch Hawks second unit GO!
Sekou Smith
October 30th, 2009
8:09 pm
25-12 Hawks run after allowing the Wiz to run off 12 straight early. Love the pace Crawford pushes when he’s going off out there.
BONE
October 30th, 2009
8:14 pm
Can the crowd make some kinda noise. The capacity looks embarassing
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:15 pm
Vet.
Sekou Smith
October 30th, 2009
8:16 pm
Looks like this all over the league right now B.
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:16 pm
he was fouled i heard it…
Sekou Smith
October 30th, 2009
8:16 pm
When’s the last time Joe Johnson got a breather like this in a game.
D.Carter
October 30th, 2009
8:17 pm
A blind person can see that J.Crawford needs to replace Bibby in the starting lineup…Bibby is a jumpshooter only and a pure liability on defense… I still think resigning Bibby as a mistake..Teague and Crawford give the team an element that we havent had outside of Joe, and thats the ability to break down a defender off the dribble and get in the lane consistantly…. Teague and Crawford dont really settle for the jumpshot which creates open lanes for AL and Josh
Blast
October 30th, 2009
8:18 pm
Yes, Sekou. Especially this early in the game. Things sure have changed in Hawksville.
Sekou Smith
October 30th, 2009
8:18 pm
I didn’t use a question mark because I know that there is no answer. Ha.
terrell barron
October 30th, 2009
8:19 pm
Just read Woody’s lips when the Wiz called timeout. He said “how long has Joe been out? lol! There’s no need to rush Woody. We’re still up, for crying out loud. haha
Najeh Davenpoop
October 30th, 2009
8:19 pm
I like that Crawford wants to pass more. I also like that Woody wants him on the floor primarily for his scoring, if that makes sense (a coach should always put his players in position to do what they do best). But I had no problem with Crawford’s limited minutes in the first game. Crawford is not a great defender, and the Hawks were having no problem scoring points. In addition, the Hawks were playing a team with a big front line, so they couldn’t go small with the Crawford SG/Johnson SF lineup they have flashed in the preseason. it made no sense to bring in a defensive liability who can score in that situation.
On a regular basis, though, Crawford should definitely be playing 25-30 minutes per game.
Nice to see the Hawks step up the intensity on both ends of the floor after a sleepy start.
Najeh Davenpoop
October 30th, 2009
8:20 pm
Dang, I don’t know how Flip Saunders tells apart Mike Miller and Fabricio Oberto.
BONE
October 30th, 2009
8:21 pm
see Teague misses one shot and dumb old woody wants to bring Bibby in. SMH
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:23 pm
great D!!
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:23 pm
what….
Joe some rest in the mid of the 2nd… after just coming in.. well…
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:24 pm
parabola… courtesy of J. Criddy…
D.Carter
October 30th, 2009
8:24 pm
If you think Crawford is a defensve liability Bibby must be pure defensive negligence!!! spell check…lol on the 3rd shot of HENN!!!!
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:24 pm
Mo has to watch his emotions…
BONE
October 30th, 2009
8:26 pm
Why did josh try to throw an alley oop to BIBBY o__0
Blast
October 30th, 2009
8:26 pm
Hey! NBA refs giving Hawks more respect so far! Hawks actually getting their calls. Who would habe thunked it!
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:28 pm
good move Al…
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:29 pm
up tempo…
Blast
October 30th, 2009
8:30 pm
Crawford just need to keep shooting, man.
Sekou Smith
October 30th, 2009
8:31 pm
I hope Crawford doesn’t get the swine flu licking his fingers all the time.
BONE
October 30th, 2009
8:31 pm
Bibby needs to stop shooting and give it back to Jamal
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:32 pm
the slowest move in the history of the league…
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:32 pm
this fool could get 50 every night if he wanted… get em’ Criddy…
J.J.M.
October 30th, 2009
8:32 pm
lol@sekou
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
8:33 pm
Things I liked seeing the most in this game so far:
Joe driving to the basket and drawing fouls. That bucket against three defenders was a thing of beauty.
Jamal Crawford exploding on the scene offensively. This guy is scary. Very scary. Nothing against Flip, but uhh….
Josh with 6 rebounds.
Things I didn’t like:
Josh trying too hard to duplicate his assist totals from last game, and managing to do nearly the opposite with his turnovers.
Brendan Haywood scoring double figures in the first half.
B crutch
October 30th, 2009
8:34 pm
ha swine flu good one, Al needs to let the game come to him more, he seems to be rushing on the offensive end.
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:35 pm
does Joe Johnson still play for this team?
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:36 pm
Woody giving Joe the Lebron treatment…
D.Carter
October 30th, 2009
8:36 pm
Please Woody, Bibby needs to assume the role of Eddie House… If you wanna compete with the big boys start Jamal, bring bibby of the bench and let his minutes be based upon if he is hot… ala EDDIE HOUSE
Najeh Davenpoop
October 30th, 2009
8:36 pm
Now THAT is what Jamal brings to this team. I remember a lot of cold stretches last year where we really, really could have used a guy who is quick enough to break anyone in the league down off the dribble.
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:37 pm
i was never critical before… but Marvin does fall every attempt to the cup…
Sekou Smith
October 30th, 2009
8:37 pm
Crawford’s steady heat while Gilbert’s suddenly gone cold.
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:38 pm
Veteran.
Najeh Davenpoop
October 30th, 2009
8:39 pm
Looking around the league, check out what Brandon Jennings is doing, after being hated on by every NBA expert in history for not going to college. The man almost has a triple double and the third quarter is only halfway over. I wonder how many players have put up a triple double in their NBA debut?
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
8:40 pm
Sekou ,
If it hasn’t happened to Bibby, it ain’t gonna happen to Crawford. Bibby messes with his fingertips more than anybody I know…
BONE
October 30th, 2009
8:40 pm
Al isn’t playing very good so far. Maybe he’ll do better in the 2nd half
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:40 pm
excellent half. excellent…
terrell barron
October 30th, 2009
8:41 pm
Crawford for 10 mill or JJ for 15-17 mill? Hmmmm???? Seriously. Is JJ worth 5 to 7 mill more than Crawford?
2 FOR JOHN DREW
October 30th, 2009
8:41 pm
Boy …. JJ ’s gonna be fresh for the 2nd half.
BONE
October 30th, 2009
8:41 pm
there u go Al
Najeh Davenpoop
October 30th, 2009
8:42 pm
Nice move by Horford to finish the half. As slow as the Hawks started, they really stepped it up in quarter number 2.
D.Carter
October 30th, 2009
8:42 pm
AH Joe you might wanna rethink that contract offer
Blast
October 30th, 2009
8:42 pm
Joe better watch out that Crawford does not become the new face of the franchise. Turning down that extension might come back to haunt him.
Buzzer beater, Horford!
D.Carter
October 30th, 2009
8:43 pm
Bibby= Sam cassell in role of player coach
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:43 pm
and for your halftime entertainment…
Beanie Sigel airs out Jay Z
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Iy9wXkt-M&feature=player_embedded
2 FOR JOHN DREW
October 30th, 2009
8:44 pm
OMG ….JJ, JC, JC, JS,JS,JT ….. GO ” J ” HAWKS !!!!!!!
terrell barron
October 30th, 2009
8:45 pm
I’m I’m not knocking JJ. Just sayin. That 5 to 7 mill could go towards another sf and sg, when Mo, and if JJ, leaves next year. Just something to think about.
preston
October 30th, 2009
8:45 pm
WOW……..the hawks may have really turned the corner with guys like Crawford and Joe Smith contributing like they are, those guys are definately balancing out this offense. I would like to see more of Teague though, but, nonetheless……I am beginning to believe!!!!
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:46 pm
no people… there is no Joe V. Jamal…
we need both…. thats what good teams have at least 2 potent talents. why would we want to settle for one of these guys when together we could be a dangerous team…
what Jamal has showed you, is that if they are both in the game together.. there is no way in hell Joe sees double and triple teams. this is the start of something big… Jamal showing the league he’s gonna be a problem. and you will get your issue trying to send your whole team at Joe!
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
8:47 pm
Najeh ,
Good lookin’ out on Jennings. Dude is tearing it up something fierce.
Blast
October 30th, 2009
8:47 pm
Crawford is getting his minutes tonite and Joe is getting his rest. Anybody got anything else to say?
Najeh Davenpoop
October 30th, 2009
8:47 pm
Beans has been better than Jigga for at least five years now, ever since Jigga decided to move away from his roots and do songs with Coldplay and Maroon 5 and sh*t.
JeJe
October 30th, 2009
8:48 pm
Observations so far:
1) J-CRAW is the TRUTH. He is a thinner, more athletic, and slightly less talented Joe Johnson. This guy is a stud
2) We run no offensive plays STILL. J.Craw is just a sick 1-on-1 player
3) No one crashes the glass
4) If it wasn’t for WAS taking retarded 22 foot contested jumpers, we would be in a much closer game.
5) Let Teague play. We don’t need Bibby getting huge minutes
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
8:50 pm
Guys, this is the advantage of having BOTH.
Jamal having a nice half offensively is NO reason to try and throw Joe out the door. In fact, that’s just crazy.
Love Craw, but when he makes the all-star team 3 times, then talk to me about him replacing Joe. Until then…..
Sautee
October 30th, 2009
8:50 pm
6 rebounds each by our starting bigs in the 1st half. THAT’S more like it!.
JeJe
October 30th, 2009
8:51 pm
J.CRAW = THINNER, MORE ATHLETIC JOE JOHNSON. LOOK AT HIS MOVES, HIS BODY LANGUAGE. HE IS A STUD
KMP
October 30th, 2009
8:51 pm
Great Half! Joe only logged 11 minutes and we are up 14! Is it me or does Josh look like he has finally matured. I know its only been 1 1/2 games, however he looks like he is playing a more controlled game. 27 bench points with Jamal and Joe leading the way! I am loving what I see. Go Hawks
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
8:51 pm
That’s just not something you do unless you have to.
Blast ,
I see that as a positive. Joe’s sitting, and we’re not hurting offensively because of it. Defensively? That’s a different story, but it’s not like Jamal is getting torched, either. And unlike against Indy, we’re not up by only 1 point.
Sautee
October 30th, 2009
8:52 pm
When he was acquired I immediately called Jamal “Joe insurance”.
But you don’t use insurance unless you NEED to. Let’s hope we don’t.
Najeh Davenpoop
October 30th, 2009
8:55 pm
Yeah, y’all are going a little overboard with Crawford. He’s a very nice player and an unstoppable scorer when he’s on. Problem is, throughout his career he’s shown that he can’t be relied upon to be “on” every night. This shows itself in his 40.4% career shooting percentage. A role like this is ideal for him, because when he’s on he can take over the game and give the star some rest, and when he’s off the team has plenty of other options.
Joe Johnson may not be LeBron, but don’t sell him short. He has proven that you can build a team around him and ask him to do too much and he can take you to the second round of the playoffs. That’s a hell of a lot more than Crawford has proven in nine years in the league.
fudd21
October 30th, 2009
8:56 pm
JC get buckets baby. I’m still trying to figure out how and why some of you were complaining about the JC deal. We gave up a 2 liter and a bag of chips for 15 points in 15 minutes on 5 of 7 shooting. Another legitimate scorer. Oh I love it!
Blast
October 30th, 2009
8:56 pm
No one trying to get rid of Joe, Big Ray. Joe is my man! Having him and Crawford is a luxury Hawks have not had forever. I’m just saying the decision lies with Joe. If for whatever reason he chooses not to resign with Hawks, at least we have a fallback option. But we need/want both guys in Hawksville.
BONE
October 30th, 2009
8:57 pm
I hope Jamal becomes the 6th man of the year this season
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
8:59 pm
?
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
8:59 pm
Good defense by Joe on Arenas, great help on him by the Hawks bigs.
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
9:03 pm
BS call on Josh Smith. Arenas crashed that shoulder into him to keep him from blocking the shot.
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
9:04 pm
hahaha…
Josh with the slight blow up on the side lines… Woody talking bout, “i gotta get my bench in”… check Woody out…
Najeh Davenpoop
October 30th, 2009
9:04 pm
The Hawks need to take advantage of these next 6-7 minutes to step on the gas and put the Wizards away — something they struggled to do often last year when they had a big lead at halftime. If they can extend this lead to 20 or so in the next 6 minutes, maybe we can see the young guys get some extended playing time in the 4th.
Sekou Smith
October 30th, 2009
9:04 pm
The officials don’t want any of us to get home before midnight the way they’re calling this game. Let ‘em play please.
D.Carter
October 30th, 2009
9:05 pm
Joe decided not to sign the contract…. not trying to get rid of him just stating facts…. Jamal gives us something that we havent had…… A LEGITIMATE PERSON WHO CAN PUT THE BALL IN THE BASKET… JOE IS A SHOOTER WHO CAN SCORE… JAMAL IS A PURE SCORER…
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
9:06 pm
Blast ,
I hear ya. It IS his call, but I think this was a simple strategic move. There was an interesting few things said about Sund on the contract situation. Basically, it was a very good business decision for Joe to not sign the contract extension right now, as 4 years was the most we could offer him at the moment. If he waits, he can get a longer contract. Can’t remember the details, but it put things in a new light.
Najeh Davenpoop
October 30th, 2009
9:06 pm
If you see the Wizards now and the Wizards in the first five minutes of this game, it looks like two totally different teams. Weird how that happens. The Hawks have outscored the Wizards by 25 points since the Wiz jumped out to their 15-5 lead early.
tyger
October 30th, 2009
9:08 pm
BS – Dumbas Woody forgot to put the kid in the game!
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
9:08 pm
D. Carter…
not saying i agree with what you’re saying but, i guess all Jamal and Joe do is play offense…?
D.Carter
October 30th, 2009
9:08 pm
tRUST ME TEAGUE CAN GET TO THE CUP WITH THE BET OF THEM… WOODY HAS GOT TO SWALLOW HIS PRIDE AND LOYALTY TO BIBBY AND LET TEAGUE AND THE JAMAL DO TEIR THING
hawks_4_life
October 30th, 2009
9:09 pm
VINCE CARTER INJURED ALREADY LOL
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
9:10 pm
good foul Vet.
BONE
October 30th, 2009
9:13 pm
ut Teague in woody u idiot
Najeh Davenpoop
October 30th, 2009
9:13 pm
14-9-9 for Brandon Jennings with 5 minutes left. Has anyone ever put up a triple double in their NBA debut?
BONE
October 30th, 2009
9:14 pm
Put*
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
9:14 pm
Haywood working…
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
9:16 pm
good foul Z…
BONE
October 30th, 2009
9:16 pm
Brandon Jennings is probably gonna be Rookie of the Year
D.Carter
October 30th, 2009
9:16 pm
Not saying thats all they do but, you must be honest about the skill sets… Joe is to willing to settle for forced fadaway jumpers… Jamal simply cannot be guarded on the perimeter and can get to the lane at will… again i understand the business aspect… Bibby holds us back in my opinion…. Craw can get to the the free throw line, which every good scorer does… Joe doesnt get to the line because he shys away from contact at times
hawks_4_life
October 30th, 2009
9:17 pm
We cannot get a whistle this quarter while the Wizz are already shooting free throws.
Johnny Walking
October 30th, 2009
9:18 pm
Hawks looking good. ZAZA has lost the title of Head Man to Joe Smith. That noggin is HUGE!!. Josh cant be punkin Woody like that. I thought he had turned the corner with his maturation process…. wronggggg. Nick Young was on down on Spring street last night watching the Shoe Models. Not too many 6′6 dudes with Mohawks in Atlanta to get him confused with.
Anthony
October 30th, 2009
9:18 pm
Is it me or does Joe need to pass the ball. He aint Kobe. You know? Pretty soon the other 4 are gonna start standing around watching him instead of running the offense.
BONE
October 30th, 2009
9:20 pm
OMG Bibby is still in the game. Woody use ur bench dumb dumb
Blast
October 30th, 2009
9:22 pm
Teague will get his minutes, people. It is a LONG season.
Najeh Davenpoop
October 30th, 2009
9:24 pm
Teague is in the game, and Washington switches to a zone defense which would favor Bibby. I’d like to see how Teague handles the different defensive look.
Anthony
October 30th, 2009
9:26 pm
Refs are killing us! Let em play.
Najeh Davenpoop
October 30th, 2009
9:28 pm
Brandon Jennings ends up with a 17-9-9 line, missing a triple double by a board and a dime. Still really impressive. I can’t remember anyone coming that close in their NBA debut since LeBron.
BONE
October 30th, 2009
9:30 pm
I like that Teague is aggressive. Acie would have just passed it just to pass it.
Sekou Smith
October 30th, 2009
9:30 pm
This message is for coaches around the NBA. If you don’t know already, you will NEVER win an argument with Derrick Stafford. NEVER!!!!!!
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
9:33 pm
Najeh ,
Jennings had a very Jason Kidd-like game.
I’m loving seeing Teague get minutes like this. He can learn so much in real time minutes.
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
9:35 pm
Nice to see Teague go right to the seat next to Woody on the bench, where Woody continues to instruct him.
You never saw that with Acie Law. He nearly always ended up right near the end of the bench.
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
9:35 pm
D. Carter…
but you were basing Joe being expendable off of offensive skills as if thats all it would take for Crawford to replace a Joe Johnson. so you think Crawford is a better offensive player than Joe? wow… o..k… how many double and triple teams has Crawford seen? Joe is one of the most lethal 1 on 1 covers in the league. Joe actually should be at the line more, maybe its Crawfords slight frame that makes the foul calls more obvious… can’t agree with you argument here.. but hey…
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
9:36 pm
Good move by Josh, but good help defense by the Wiz.
You can’t tell me Mike Miller is that much faster than Marvin in the open court. Lazy defense by Marvin…
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
9:37 pm
Somebody tell DeShawn Stevenson that the boogalu goes in the FRONT, not the back….
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
9:38 pm
Bad defense by Horford, but he looks tired. The offensive move confirms it….
Blast
October 30th, 2009
9:38 pm
Joe and Crawford in the game at crunch time. No Bibby, no Teague. Sooooo many lineup possibilities! Though Hawks only up by 7.
BONE
October 30th, 2009
9:39 pm
I think we should trade Marvin. I hardly ever notice him on the floor
Sautee
October 30th, 2009
9:39 pm
anthony,
That IS the offense.
Johnny Walking
October 30th, 2009
9:40 pm
Stevenson cut that BEARD off damn!! Nasttyy. WTF is going with the music. Sounds like the media player on my PC. Cant touch this???? Did the Hawks stop paying for the use of REAL music? Gilbert has been off the whole night laying Opossum. Dont let him come in and get 20 points to end the game…
Sekou Smith
October 30th, 2009
9:40 pm
Hawks have gotten a bit stagnant on offense here. They need some life. Woody comes back with Bibby for Crawford.
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
9:41 pm
Why isn’t Collins playing? I’d use him for a minute or two against McGee, and let Al rest. But whatever…
BONE
October 30th, 2009
9:42 pm
Al starts his moves to far away from the basket
Blast
October 30th, 2009
9:42 pm
What’s Josh doing eiyeballing Flip Saunders?
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
9:42 pm
This is the best way to use “ISO Joe”….on a post up.
This will draw more “defensive 3 seconds” calls.
Joe looks like he’s hurting just a bit….
Blast
October 30th, 2009
9:43 pm
MARVIN||||||||||||
hawks_4_life
October 30th, 2009
9:43 pm
Way to go Marvin
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
9:44 pm
Just like I said, there it is.
Back ‘em down in the post, draw the defender, somebody is open in a position that they can score in.
Much better than “ISO Joe” out on the perimeter, with absolutely no movement or guys not in position to score.
Joe makes decisions like this, and the game changes on ISO plays, becoming more effective than ever, see?
BONE
October 30th, 2009
9:44 pm
Ewwww Al is shooting 30%. Damn maybe that Pacers game was a fluke. U can’t be shooting 30% as a center.
vava74
October 30th, 2009
9:44 pm
Maaaaaarvin!!! Finally! He’s alive Dr. Frankenstein!!!!
hawks_4_life
October 30th, 2009
9:46 pm
Great defensive effort so far tonight
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
9:47 pm
Terrific effort by Josh to keep that play alive. THAT is something that definitely doesn’t make the stat sheet, and NEVER gets mentioned on a blog.
Sekou Smith
October 30th, 2009
9:47 pm
Woody to the crowd on Josh busting his tail trying to help Marvin up, “they look like keystone cops out there.”
2 FOR JOHN DREW
October 30th, 2009
9:47 pm
Just saw you on the tube SS ….. you kin to MO VAUGHN ?
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
9:48 pm
Hah! Josh trying to help Marvin up, they both go down.
At this point, Rod would say that Marvin’s clumsiness has rubbed off on Josh….
vava74
October 30th, 2009
9:49 pm
that’s more like it
KMP
October 30th, 2009
9:49 pm
Great ISO play – JJ to JS to Big AL
BONE
October 30th, 2009
9:49 pm
Josh with the Oop
Johnny Walking
October 30th, 2009
9:50 pm
That was a Slap Yo GrandMommy Dunk!!!!! Helll Yeahhhhh!!!
Jody
October 30th, 2009
9:51 pm
Need BIG plays? Call employee # 5, J Smoove!
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
9:51 pm
JOOOOOOOOOSH SMIIIIIIIIIIIIITH!!!!
The block, then the dunk off the PERFECT pass from Bibby!!!!
Blast
October 30th, 2009
9:51 pm
Atlanta Hawks basketball!!!! Josh Smith is a Superstar!!!!!
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
9:52 pm
900 blocks for Josh, youngest ever. Nice job.
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
9:53 pm
WHAT was that foolishness by Joe Johnson?
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
9:53 pm
AAAGGHH!
What was THAT foolishness by Josh?!
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
9:54 pm
looked like a foul that wasnt called…
vava74
October 30th, 2009
9:54 pm
what a stupid foul… you either let him go or you hit him strong…
Blast
October 30th, 2009
9:55 pm
Boston beating the hell out of Bulls right now.
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
9:58 pm
Josh doesnt settle for the jumper, drives, and gets the And1
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
October 30th, 2009
9:58 pm
Sekou – it looks like your blog entry/article was a great segue to the game. Crawford went off like we thought he would if given a chance and Woody got an added surprise of great defense.
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
10:00 pm
Clutch plays both Josh on both ends of the floor.
Crappy no-call on Joe’s move to the basket. Should have been a foul.
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
10:00 pm
good win… keep it at 10+
Sautee
October 30th, 2009
10:00 pm
LOL, Miller thinks he’s playing Butler.
Blast
October 30th, 2009
10:01 pm
2-0 baby! Now we go out West. Come out West 3-2 and we’ll be good!
2 FOR JOHN DREW
October 30th, 2009
10:02 pm
Real test comes sunday night ….. probably watch this game 2or 3 times before then
Johnny Walking
October 30th, 2009
10:03 pm
Good Job Hawks holding serve!!
The Hawksta
October 30th, 2009
10:04 pm
We bad! We bad!
hawks_4_life
October 30th, 2009
10:05 pm
Execellent game by the hawks, very good defensive effort
D.Carter
October 30th, 2009
10:07 pm
Big Dave,
In woodys offense of 1000 dribbles JCraw is much better player than joe in terms of off the dribble iso’s… Joe is a much better all around player…. In the offense that we run JCraw would make us a much better team starting at point because he would allow joe to take advantage of his size in the post and not have to handle the ball so much
JeJe
October 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
Good game, and here are a few more observations:
1) I really want J.Craw in the 4th quarter, rather than Marvin. Marvin had 1 or 2 plays, but the guy is just an average basketball player. He appears bigger each year, but he is way too frail and awkward to make any major contributions to this team. By having Jamal in in the 4th, we have a potent scorer who can help spread the floor
2) We did a poor job on Mcghee and Blatche
3) We didn’t need Bibby in so many minutes. REST PLAYERS WHO DON’T NEED TO PLAY. MARVIN DOESNT NEED MINUTES. HE SUCKS
BONE
October 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
Only bad part of the game: HORFORD PLAYED 39 MINS.
JeJe
October 30th, 2009
10:10 pm
WE NEED TO RUN MORE OFFENSIVE PLAYS TOO
EVERYTHING IS 1 ON 1
Sautee
October 30th, 2009
10:12 pm
Horford avg. after 2 games: 17 pts. 14 reb. 3.5 blocks 2.0 ast.
Keep it up big guy!
Josh Smith this season – .714% from the field. WOW
JeJe
October 30th, 2009
10:12 pm
Man, ZaZa cannot convert a layup at all. His layup attempts fall about 3 feet short in height each time
Also, Joe Smith has some putrid defense. He leaves his man open every time. Thank God they are still contributing in other ways though
bigdave
October 30th, 2009
10:13 pm
i agree with Crawford starting at pg with Joe on the floor… but sir, in no way is he adequate replacement for Joe Johnson. point blank period. Crawford is an addition piece needed to build a quality contender here…
Blast
October 30th, 2009
10:13 pm
For all those pundits who chose Wizards over Hawks this season, the pox on you!
Hawks have what it takes to go out West and make some noise. They are not a good road team, but they’ve beaten most of the West teams they will be facing this trip. It’s all in the mind, Atlanta.
Go Hawks, Go!
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
October 30th, 2009
10:16 pm
Hawks’ Josh Smith becomes youngest to reach 900 blocks
ATLANTA (AP) — Josh Smith is the youngest player in NBA history to block 900 shots.
The 23-year-old Smith, in his sixth season with the Atlanta Hawks, passed Shaquille O’Neal as the youngest to reach the milestone when he rejected a shot by Washington’s Gilbert Arenas with about 4:30 remaining in Friday night’s game.
The block set up a fast break, capped by Smith’s left-handed dunk.
O’Neal was 24 years old when he reached 900 blocks. Smith’s 24th birthday is Dec. 5.
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
October 30th, 2009
10:18 pm
Congrats J Smoove!!! On this
A great milestone – a bright future ahead for you and The Hawks.
kwooden1
October 30th, 2009
10:21 pm
Great WIN for the HAWKS!! I missed most of the 4th, but what I saw was a total different bench. We all saw the Crawford that we know. He definitely picked-up his defense and was blowing by his man. JeJe, I know what your saying about Joe Smith, but I think they there double teaming too hard, leaving people open. I think that will be taking care of as they play more together. JJ only had to play 30mins!!! and we won by double digits!!! I really like the make-up of this team! Bibby looked a lot better on defense and so did Teague. (not great but servicable I didn’t realize Teague only played 8+mins, I thought he played more than that. Great win!!
GO HAWKS!!!
Sautee
October 30th, 2009
10:22 pm
One play that Josh made stood out in particular. With only a couple of minutes left, Joe tried to feed Josh on an ally-oop but the pass was too high and Josh had to just catch it and gather. But instead of throwing up a shot, he WISELY threw it out to Bibby to run some clock.
This from a player who reputedly is selfish and has no basketball IQ.
Heh heh. Riiiight!
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
10:23 pm
I love what Jamal Crawford brought tonight on offense. We needed his quick 16 points, especially on a night where Joe was shooting around 30%. I don’t know which was better, the fact that Jamal shot over 40% from the field and provided a great offensive spark, or the fact that this meant Joe only had to play 30 minutes?
Marvin looked like the invisible man for much of the game, but you turn around and see that he nearly finished with a double double, and very quietly kept his man from scoring much. The 9 rebounds he had really jumps out at you. Normally he’s a 5 or 6 rebound guy. Some of that was due to Al and Josh tipping rebounds away from opponents, but guess what? Marvin kept possession.
Josh Smith looked much more mature. He played quite well, and was a serious hustler on the boards, keeping a lot of balls alive (that won’t show up in the stat book), and challenging many more shots (there’s not almost-blocks in the stat column either). It was also another good shooting night for Smith, leading the team with 20 points. Clutch plays on both ends of the court towards the end of the game, he was the biggest difference.
Horford had a rough game offensively, but he finishes with a double-double again, and that’s what you know you get from him minimally.
Bibby was another bright spot in the backcourt. Savvy as all get out with his passing.
Joe Johnson did not shoot well, but he still managed 17 points, the mark of a truly good player. I didn’t like some of his offensive attempts (there was no double team, but he drove into the teeth of a defense that was waiting on him and gave him nothing but an impossible shot), but some of that was play-calling. He more than made up for that by turning the bulk of the ISO plays into post-ups, which forced better personnel and ball movement, and resulted in a positive net gain nearly every time he did it. And who can get mad at a man who gets you 5 boards and 6 assists along with the rest of it?
Gotta give Woody props. The bench got serious minutes and guys like Joe Smith and Mo Evans had nice contributions.
Najeh Davenpoop
October 30th, 2009
10:26 pm
Josh Smith’s accomplishment is even more impressive considering that Dwight Howard entered the league at the same time, is only three days younger than Josh, and is still 85 blocks away from 900. Props to Josh on that accomplishment.
About the game… I don’t want to nitpick, but the Hawks were shooting near 50% halfway through the 3rd quarter and ended up shooting 41% for the game. If they had sustained their earlier level of offensive efficiency throughout the second half, there’s a good chance this would have been even more of a blowout than it already was.
But that said, seeing that the team shot 91% for the game and outrebounded a team that’s longer and taller inside is fantastic.
Najeh Davenpoop
October 30th, 2009
10:27 pm
I meant to say 91% from the free throw line, sorry. 31/34 from the line. That is a huge step in the right direction.
Blast
October 30th, 2009
10:29 pm
At this rate, RandMo ain’t getting no burn this season.
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
10:30 pm
I meant to say 91% from the free throw line, sorry. 31/34 from the line. That is a huge step in the right direction.
Yeah, as long as we keep it up. We don’t need any relapses.
JeJe
October 30th, 2009
10:30 pm
“nd very quietly kept his man from scoring much”
Who was Marvin guarding again?
“Joe Johnson did not shoot well, but he still managed 17 points”
Wow! A player who calls himself elite scored 17 against the notoriously impossible Wizard defense! Way to go Joe!
vava74
October 30th, 2009
10:36 pm
Let us not forget that WAS is a vastly inferior team and was missing Jamison and then Caron…
We should have killed the game on the third quarter and the fact that the starters had to finish the game is disappointing.
There were the same old spells in which we forget to drive and start shooting jumpers with no one in the paint to rebound…
I hope that our deficiencies are more the mark of excessive relaxation than anything else.
Well, I am off! It’s 2.35 around here!
Blast
October 30th, 2009
10:38 pm
The Wizs beat the heck out of Dallas while Hawks trashed Wizards here and there. Hawks play Dallas and it can go either way. Crazy league, NBA, huh?
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
10:39 pm
JeJe ,
You’re somebody who is purposely bashing my comments on both guys, in an effort to get me to defend them harder.
Either way, I’m not going for it.
richbrave
October 30th, 2009
10:39 pm
Najeh Davenpoop
October 30th, 2009
8:20 pm
Dang, I don’t know how Flip Saunders tells apart Mike Miller and Fabricio Oberto.
Why? Because they’re both white and all whites look alike. Seems like I used to hear that alot in my youth, only in the opposite direction.
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
10:40 pm
Vava ,
A quick look at the stat box will tell you where our offense was coming from in the third quarter, when we should have been stepping all over the Wiz. I can tell you this much, the errant jumpers weren’t coming from our frontcourt members…..ahem….
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
10:42 pm
RichBrave ,
Najeh Davenpoop
October 30th, 2009
8:20 pm
Dang, I don’t know how Flip Saunders tells apart Mike Miller and Fabricio Oberto.
Why? Because they’re both white and all whites look alike. Seems like I used to hear that alot in my youth, only in the opposite direction.
I think he meant the part about the long hair. Come on, dude…..
richbrave
October 30th, 2009
10:48 pm
doc:
HAWKS took care of business where it counted, in the paint, and one on one against MILLER on the outside. Defense solid. Worked great.
WIZ tried to put a horsecollar on SMITH, but only partly effective.
McGEE made it interesting for awhile. But he’s a youngun’ and once he lost focus, they reinserted HAYWOOD, and that was the old ball game. ARENAS tried to offset the lack of shotblocking down low that J-Mac brought, but not his old self yet. Pretty clear he’s recovered well. Ultimately, in 2010 he may approach his old self, but not right now. WIZ are still rusty and missing BUTLER(now) and JAMISON. Still, they’re much better with OBERTO, FOYE and MILLER than last year.
TrainWreck
October 30th, 2009
10:50 pm
10 points, 12 boards, 4 blocks for Al Horford, against the 7-foot Heywood. This is after a 24 point, 16 rebound performance against the 7′2″ Hibbert and 6′11″ Murhpy. Gosh, I hate it when a guy gets 24 garbage points (is this even possible?).
Now, let’s see what a REAL center does against another “real” center in Dwight Howard:
Ummm…Brook Lopez had 3-8 shooting, 11 points, 5 boards, and 5 fouls .
Heh. Somehow I think our “fake” center will do better than that when next we meet….
richbrave
October 30th, 2009
10:53 pm
BIG RAY:
Couldn’t he tell that OBERTO cut his locks so he wouldn’t look like MILLER? I can’t understand why those guys won’t get a haircut. Would you want to be eating your excess protein constantly while playing, or fighting with hair in your face all the time?
Najeh Davenpoop
October 30th, 2009
10:54 pm
If I had said Mike Miller and Zaza Pachulia looked alike, you may have a case. Two players wearing the same uniform with the same hair do look similar, whether or not you want to unnecessarily inject racism into it.
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
October 30th, 2009
11:03 pm
Najeh Davenpoop:
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Wow, out-blocking Dwight is really impressive! Maybe this will be the year he joins Dwight in the ranks of all-stars.
hawksbabby23
October 30th, 2009
11:07 pm
come on guys were 2 games into the season no way will he average near 3.5 blocks a game and i dont see how he can make the all star team either
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
October 30th, 2009
11:11 pm
hawksbabby23
Are you talking about Horford?
richbrave
October 30th, 2009
11:15 pm
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
10:30 pm
I meant to say 91% from the free throw line, sorry. 31/34 from the line. That is a huge step in the right direction.
Yeah, as long as we keep it up. We don’t need any relapses
WIZ announcers were crying over all the ‘homer” calls, and saying it was the difference in the game. Well, probably since the ‘ZARDS were shooting……….what from the charity stripe. It sure wasn’t 91%. I remember BUCKHANTZ saying it was 64% sometime early in the fourth.
richbrave
October 30th, 2009
11:16 pm
Ease up ND, I was just testing ya’.
niremetal
October 30th, 2009
11:16 pm
Promising sign: 12 of JJ’s 16 shots tonight were in the paint (check out the Courtside Live chart on NBA.com’s Game Info page). He got 7 free throws and should have gotten at least 4-5 more. He also got on the officials for not calling those fouls – which he hasn’t done in the past. If he keeps that up, refs will eventually start giving him those whistles.
Grandad
October 30th, 2009
11:18 pm
I’m not Sautee…however, he must be a very intelligent person. I can’t stay around long (past my bedtime),I just wanted to comment on JaVale McGee; if there was one [young] player in the league that I wish we could steal, it would be that young fella. He’s just what we need – a seven footer {7-6 wingspan) that can provide a intimidating presence around the basket.
hawksbabby23
October 30th, 2009
11:20 pm
yes im talking bout al…
RLP
October 30th, 2009
11:42 pm
After playing only two games there are only 4 of 15 teams in the East who are undefeated. Amazing. Lakers await.
Only one person has mentioned that JJ only had 30 minutes tonight.
Why have people complained about Josh Smith’s passing. He made another beauty tonight.
O'Brien
October 31st, 2009
12:19 am
Good job by Woody handling JJ’s minutes tongight. Al did play 39 minutes, but I’m okay with that, because I dont know it wont be the norm.
Marvin didnt do much (offensively) in the game tonight, but Caron Butler didnt do anything either, but Marvin did have 9 rebounds, so I call it a wash. No wonder the Hawks didnt sign a reserve swing man. Crawford and JJ will take some of Marvin’s minutes.
In 2 games, ZaZa is averaging 4 points and 1 rebound. I hope he gets it in going, because Jason Collins hasnt played yet, and Al will need the help.
Congrats to Josh on the blocks record. And I like how he has played the first 2 games.
If we can beat the Lakers in LA, that would be a great way to get some national recognition and start the road trip off with a bang.
cp
October 31st, 2009
12:29 am
Good win. Much better defensive effort. I would have liked to see more of Teague but I think the kid will get the minutes down the road. Its hard to be negative after a win but as we have in the past , once we get a lead we sometimes go into the NFL’s version of prevent defense on the offensive end. We pretty much dribbled the ball and settled for jump shots at one point instead of attacking like we were doing earlier. Marvin was solid but I want to see more from him. At one point during the game I was asking for Mo Evans to come in for Marvin because I just wasn’t seeing anything. We have to bring our A game if we want to compete with the Lakers this weekend.
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
October 31st, 2009
12:42 am
Its early so let’s give Al Horford time to get the ball rolling and this could be a great year for him statistically. Love seeing the Lakers getting it handed to them. They will be looking to stomp us if they lose tonight.
Mz. Hawkdafied
October 31st, 2009
1:12 am
Jamal Crawford doing what he does best sounds like a plan to me too. And Jamal did an excellent job putting that plan in motion tonight with help from his team mates and of course the wise Coach Woodson. Also the team 2-0 start at home shows that they are sticking to making winning at home a priority. This goes along with his theory of sticking with what you do best. 31-10 at home and 16-25 on the road. Certainly the team is at their best at home. I won’t argue with that. In fact that’s great. They are really defending the Highlight Factory. As a fan I appreciate that. BUT………..nevermind, forget it.
GO HAWKS! GREAT WIN! 2-0 OFF TO A GREAT START! RIDE OR DIE HAWKS FAN FOR LIFE!
Clyde
October 31st, 2009
4:04 am
We will see if yall are this optimistic after we play the Lakers on Sunday.
Roll Tide!!!!!! Even on a bye week.
hawks_4_life
October 31st, 2009
5:51 am
Judging from some of these comments, you would think the hawks are 0-2.
wordsmithtom
October 31st, 2009
6:11 am
Solid win. Take care of biz at home.
Big Ray’s 9:35 note on Teague going to the bench and sitting next to Woody. Sounds like a hungry young guy buying into the coach’s plan, wanting to hear what the coach has to say. This strikes a stark difference from a kid going to the other end of the bench and scowling because he’s taken out of the game. Law was a college star…a big shot…who came to the next level and never accepted the new role. Looks like Teague understands he’s the new guy and still has something to learn. He’ll get a lot better if he keeps listening to coach.
Great insight Big Ray…..
dap01
October 31st, 2009
7:17 am
Reduce Bibbys minutes, give them to Crawford. Practice what you preach! We have 3 centers, no need to play one 39 minutes!
We have the makings of a great team. Use all of the pieces!
JeJe
October 31st, 2009
8:25 am
I will say it again:
Marvin Williams should not be in the game down the stretch. If we are to having any chance of keeping it close tomorrow at LAL, Jamal Crawford needs to play over 30 minutes. Marvin does not scare anybody — he is the true epitome of an average small forward — he’s frail, awkward, and only knows how to have a good looking jumpshot. Are we really paying someone nearly 8 mill a year for that?
Tbird
October 31st, 2009
9:16 am
JeJE: He had 8 pts in fourth quarter…when everyone else had gone cold. Don’t play him down the stretch?? Did you watch the game? He will end up around 15-6 for the year…which on a team with this many options is vry good…thank God you aren’t advising Woody
truly1
October 31st, 2009
9:55 am
get off the players marvin is fine he is needed. so keep him envolved he will have big games this year. everyone needs to get adjusted to each other. some players are going to be hot and cold thats just the way it works. it is the coachs job to manage minutes and know his players in gametime situations. I hope it continues but woody did a good job yesterday
Shelt99
October 31st, 2009
10:00 am
Woody have to make sure that Crawford receives his minutes. A scorer must play and be on the floor. I would also like to see Coach Woody play more of a up tempo game. The Hawks are to young to play slow.
Peter
October 31st, 2009
10:20 am
We are winning yes, we are improved Yes..BUT I don’t see movement on the offensive side of the ball.
Watching the Hawks, as compared to the Celtics, or other great teams, is like watching two different games. All one on one with the Hawks, and other great teams are constantly moving, picking, passing and setting teammates up for easy scores.
I like our D big time……….. but hope for more movement and passing on O !
Peter
October 31st, 2009
10:21 am
Marvin as usual is way too soft !
He looks like a Boy amongst Men !
ILL-logical
October 31st, 2009
10:35 am
I think I may have seen the Hawks future last night. I’m not talking about Jamal starting at the point or Josh’s emergence as a combo forward adept at both positions or Mo becoming the defensive and offensive spark that Mario only supplied defensively.
No, what I saw was either Andre Blatch or Jar’velle McGee in a Hawk’s uniform playing center (after some serious weight training). When Jamison returns, someone’s minutes are going to be drastically cut. One of the two will become redundent and therefore available, most likely this summer. My money is on Blatch because of the Wizards love of McGee. Blatch could come here in a trade for a draft pick and with some special coaching from an Antonio Davis type-what former NBA players don’t live here-he could be the presence in the middle that the Hawks need to go to the next level. with his age,skills and size, he could provide the piece tthat carrys the Hawks to the next level for the next 5 years. Caveat: This assumes that Jamal stays and continues to be the starting point and Marvin replaces Joe when he leaves for the Knicks along with Amar’e.
JeJe
October 31st, 2009
10:35 am
Exactly. Our whole half-court offense is JJ or Bibby dribbling for 15 seconds then pulling up with the J
Flappin Hawk
October 31st, 2009
11:31 am
Last night was a blast to watch. Woody’s trying to mix and match. It reminded me Fratello’s batch of mixable ingredients he had back in the day. Not saying Woody is Fratello, just saying their like Chefs in a gourmet kitchen.
Some of the mixes last night were beautiful to watch, particularly when Crawford and Smoove were on the floor at the same time…deadly combo. Some of the other mixes didn’t work so well. The Hawks certainly did not play overly well but they still easily had this game in hand. By mid-season we’ll be creeping up into the Easts Top 3.
We finally have the interchangeable parts to play any type of game now. Should be a fun season.
Thanks Sund…nice work!
Native Son
October 31st, 2009
11:53 am
This is the most whiniest, crybabyish, no real confidence having-est, one foot in, one foot outiesh, blog participants in the world.
Pat yourselves on the back, you’re the champs, and you deserve it. You;ve accomplished the title in just two games.
Peace from the most Native Son.
P.S.: I’m “Ramblin’ to Tampa for the ACC Title Game. “All TURNT’ UP”
rusty
October 31st, 2009
11:55 am
big ray
dont get so upset. im not that crazy about jj or mw either as i think they are over rated
Grandad
October 31st, 2009
11:56 am
Ill-logical: We’re on the same page. See above post. I didn’t realize Blatche had a face up game.
darrell starks
October 31st, 2009
12:17 pm
Nice win woody keep your starter fresh during the year so come playoff they will be ready 2 rock and roll.
JOE 30MIN GOOD JOB WOODY.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ramon
October 31st, 2009
12:41 pm
So the Hawks get the Lakers after their first lost at the season, interesting. So much for Reggie Miller’s 20-1 prediction lol. I think one of the keys may be to give Artest the jumper most of the evening. Zaza and Joe Smith should get a lot of time with this lineup I would think. Because Josh matches up better with Artest than Marvin does. You can still see Artest isn’t quite comfortable yet in the triangle. So let him go out and force shots. Also on the defensive end, I don’t see him not ending up with 2 quick fouls trying to guard Josh in the first quarter. As long as Artest is thinking instead of just playing, attack him.
Kobe vs Joe will be a great match up no matter what anyone here thinks about Joe. Bibby will not feel threatened by Fisher (they play the same game), so he can cover him. With Joe free to battle against Kobe, I really don’t see him needing much double team help. I say if Joe can get 7-9 quick points in the first quarter, it’ll be good to take them. But do it while still taken advantage of Josh’s mismatch. I really see the starters playing 35+ minutes tomorrow. And that is ok because these are the WORLD CHAMPIONS who you only play twice a year. Its better to win this game and lose the next 2, than to lose this one and win the next 3.
2.5
October 31st, 2009
12:41 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8BsErFbBqE
2.5
October 31st, 2009
12:54 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpEv2VFcA8A&feature=PlayList&p=E6DC5C218DC0D393&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=57
JeJe
October 31st, 2009
1:12 pm
We will be 2-2 after these next 2 games, so we need to prepare for after that. I expect the usual annual 30 point thrashing on LAL, and a close but 10 point loss to a rugged Portland tea,
Ken Strickland
October 31st, 2009
1:13 pm
All one has to do is listen to Crawford and you’ll find he’s a thinker. That’s why I have no doubt he’s perfectly aware of the situation he’s in with the Hawks. This is the 1st winning team he’s been on. He knows JJ turned down the Hawks latest offer and wants to test FA. Personally, I think he’s trying to show he’s more than just a scorer, and can provide everything JJ provides, plus more speed, quickness, versatility and athleticism. If Sund buys in to what he can do, it might make the Hawks more willing to do a sign and trade with JJ rather than resigning him.
Crawford is actually more suited for Woodson’s style of OFF than JJ. JJ is far more dangerous posting up than Marvin. If Woodson used JJ properly, he’d regularly post him on the blocks and take full advantage of his size, strength and passing ability. That way, we could punish teams trying to double him on the post, rather than having him pounding the ball trying to beat double teams out at the key. JUST A THOUGHT.
For the 2nd gm in a row, I want to offer HC Mike Woodson a heart felt thumbs up. We consistently attacked the basket and pushed the ball, like we did against Indy. We maintained good ball movement, with little to no ISO Joe or Bibby. He allowed Teague and Crawford to have the mins needed to be viable contributors and used a 10 man rotation. Now, that’s good coaching, which is all I’ve been asking for all along. It’s Woodson, not JJ or Bibby, that made this decision to play uptempo, increase/maintain ball movement and attack the basket.
The only thing I’d like to see now is for us to abandon the switching DEF we use extensively. That DEF makes it hard for Marvin, Horford and Smoove to play the type of man DEF they’re capable of playing. They’re constantly switching and getting caught up in mismatches. Now that we have Crawford and Teague, and Bibby’s mins will be reduced, we can trust him to hold his own defensively. He’s certainly done a good job so far. We were at our best as a defensively before we started switching everything.
As far as Horford playing 38mins last night and JJ playing 39 against Indy, it shouldn’t be a problem as long as it’s done periodically. Our guys are young enough to be able to play heavy mins on occasions. They should get their rest when we go against teams we should be able to defeat while giving our bench heavy mins. WE’LL GET OUR CHANCE TO SEE HOW MUCH WE’VE IMPROVED SO FAR OUR THIS UPCOMING WEST COAST TRIP.
Grandad
October 31st, 2009
1:59 pm
K.S.: Insightful. Do you think Wash. would send us Caron Butler and Javale McGee for Joe(sign & trade)? Not that I am wishing Joe away, just expanding on your thought.
Mark Bradley
October 31st, 2009
3:39 pm
Enter your comments hereMike Woodson might have too many players. As problems go, this is among the better ones. Indeed, it beats the heck out of the issue Woodson faced when he arrived here in 2004 — having no players whatsoever.
“That team [the 2004-05 Hawks, who lost 69 games] was gutted,” Woodson said Wednesday, speaking before the grown-up Hawks were to open their season against Indiana. “We were in rebuilding mode. We counted on young guys to get better — Marvin [Williams] and Smoove [Josh Smith] and Al [Horford], and even Joe [Johnson] was young — and they have. And if they continue to grow, we’ve got a chance to be in the hunt the next three or four years.”
And they do. But first Woodson has to wrangle a roster unlike any he has had. He has to find minutes for 11 legitimate NBA players, and not many teams ever placate 11 men. So, Woodson was asked, can he?
“It’s something I haven’t done,” he said. “And I will not sacrifice games just to satisfy someone.”
Then this: “It’s important to get a rotation down, and I haven’t quite done that yet. You can’t find 30 minutes a night for 11 or 12 guys.”
Fun with numbers: The Hawks kept seven of their top eight players, drafted Jeff Teague, traded for Jamal Crawford and signed Joe Smith and Jason Collins as free agents. That makes 11 men, 10 of whom have professional pedigrees. And Woodson says of Teague: “He played well enough in preseason to earn some time on the floor. I’m going to play him tonight.”
But now the Hawks have six perimeter players — Mike Bibby, Johnson, Crawford, Teague, Williams and Mo Evans. As Woodson conceded: “It’s not going to be easy to play all six.” Especially if Johnson slides to small forward and takes some minutes there.”
More Woodson: “I wasn’t interested in bringing young guys in [this summer]. We needed veteran guys who’d fit a piece of the puzzle. Our draft choice is going to be our young guy now. And if [Teague] continues to do it over a long haul, he’ll get minutes. I’ve been pretty pleased so far.”
The interior riddle is simpler: Five men for two positions. Horford and Josh Smith to start, Zaza Pachulia and Joe Smith and Collins to relieve.
“It’s important for [bench] guys to know their roles,” Woodson said. “Jamal has got to score. Joe Smith has to defend and rebound. Jason Collins has to defend and give hard fouls and do the dirty work … You’ve got to play well enough to earn your time on the floor.”
There will be difficult moments ahead. Not everyone will work enough to suit him, and one or two will say so publicly. But that’s OK. So long as Woodson establishes a working second unit and eases the load on his starters, the increased depth will yield an increase in victories. Besides, it’s better to have good guys sitting than not have them at all.
“I remember last year after Al got hurt those two times,” Woodson said. “We were exposed. Al’s the one guy I feared going down. But having Joe Smith and Collins, that’s a help.”
Mark Bradley
October 31st, 2009
3:41 pm
Grandad/Sautee
Do you have a roll or purpose other than Ken’s Royal butt kisser?
KevinA
October 31st, 2009
6:33 pm
Big Ray
October 30th, 2009
10:40 pm
A quick look at the stat box will tell you where our offense was coming from in the third quarter, when we should have been stepping all over the Wiz. I can tell you this much, the errant jumpers weren’t coming from our frontcourt members…..ahem….
Yep the front court is carrying this team.
I know Crawford is doing great but he still is not finding Evans enough. Hottest player in preseason and regular season? Has he missed yet?
Ken Strickland
October 31st, 2009
7:25 pm
GRANDAD-I doubt if they would send both for JJ. We’d have to either include someone else, or exchange some draft picks. As you might have noticed already, we have a lot of bottom feeders lurking around these blogs that like to attack anyone with an actual IQ and something meaningful to contribute, so just ignore the trash. I’d think Sund would be more interested in acquiring draft picks and someone to backup Crawford.
CButler and Marvin are both SF’s, and since neither has true SG skills, acquiring him wouldn’t make a lot of sense, especially if Bibby is the starting PG(he needs the type of ballhandling help that JJ provides). Last yr CButler averaged 6.2RPG, 20.8PPG on 1085FGA’s while playing an average of 38.6MPG. Marvin averaged 6.3RPG, 13.9PPG on 622FGA’s while playing an average of 34.3MPG. Basically, instead of trading for CButler, we could increase Marvin’s FGA’s to Butler type levels and potentially get Butler type scoring numbers. If we reduced Butler’s FGA’s to Marvins level, we’d likely get Marvin type scoring numbers. I think we’d be better served if we acquired a draft pick(s) and someone that could replace JCrawford’s production off the bench.
JEJE-Why do you think the NBA requires all teams to play their gms? Based on assumptions like yours, and last yrs accomplishments, Cleveland should be 2-0 instead of 0-2, shouldn’t they, but they had to play the gms and ended up with results they hadn’t predicted. I’D CERTAINLY HATE TO HAVE YOU, OR ANYONE THAT THINKS LIKE YOU, ON MY TEAM.
Blast
October 31st, 2009
7:57 pm
In two games, Al Horford is leading the league in block shots at 3.5, and tied with three for second in rebounds at 14 per. Way to go big fella. Hope he can keep it up. Josh Smith’s 900 blocks must be rubbing off him!
Congrats, Josh! Josh Smith is also the youngest player in NBA history to reach 100 blocks, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, 800, and now 900 block shots! In two games this season, he is averaging 19 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 2.5 blocks and 2.5 steals. Can we say All Star?
hawk's hawk
October 31st, 2009
8:20 pm
Hopefully the J-Smoove haters(atlanta fans) will start to show the young man some love. Great game Hawks, lets hope it continues. Go Hawks!!!!!!!!!
Grandad
October 31st, 2009
9:29 pm
MB – I don’t know Sautee or Ken Strickland much less am I posing as one or engaging in some perverse act wi. the other. I have been around
basketball a long, long time. I know a little something about the game and also a bit about talent evaluation. I now enjoy the game for pleasure. Reading this board is both informative and as it turns out somewhat amusing. That is good, given that my Dawgs were neither entertaining, competitive, or even a little bit amusing today. Woody probably is more innovative and aggressive than Willie Martinez. Back to the game I really love; Ken, I do not worry nor am I even ruffled by those who think I cannot clearly formulate my own ideas. Also Ken, I just really like J. McGee and did so even when he played for Coach Fox. Another pt. was; I was trying to match contracts, plus I believe we would need another hoss if we let Joe get away, therefore precipitating another trade involving Caron or Marv based on my previous scenario. Even if Joe stays I think we need one more(to use my word)hoss. Josh is showing signs that he might be that player. My last thought is that eventually we/Hawks need an enforcer around the basket. I suppose I’m one who considers Big Al a 4. Currently as they are constructed…I like our guys, see them competing, contending, and are a pleasure to “pull for” (ol’ country phrase). I hate it when Woody says we are playing for # 4 seed. I would opine that players should be motivated to be Contenders & Winners…capitalization intended. My apologies for this dissertation.
Ken Strickland
October 31st, 2009
9:59 pm
GRANDAD-well spoken. If we continue to have good ball and player movement, attack the basket and run at every opportunity, we can compete with the elite teams with our current lineup. However, we must follow this formula and not revert back to being a jumpshooting halfcourt team like we were before the last 2gms. I’d like to see us use JJ more in the post. His combination of size, height, strength, inside scoring and passing ability would give up a definite advantage 9 times out of ten. I’ll guarantee you teams won’t be as willing to leave Bibby open, or Marvin for that matter, with JJ in the post as they’ve been with him around the key.
With Kobe guarding JJ in the post, I’d give the edge to JJ, but out near the key, I’d give the edge to Kobe. JJ would be a much more consistent and dangerous weapon for us if we posted him up more. He’d almost demand some kind of double team.
Grandad
October 31st, 2009
11:04 pm
KS: Thanks, once again we agree on some sort of motion off. principles. It would be interesting if Woody ran some sort of Princeton variation or trip. post/ tiangle set which would facilitate Joe working in the post. It appears Woody has no true philosophy, at least on off.
TrainWreck
October 31st, 2009
11:32 pm
Did Anybody see what the Wizards did to the Nets? Was not pretty. I notice Mr. Lopez did not do so well. 13 points 3 rebounds 1 block. Mr. Horford did much better against the Wizards 10 points 12 rebounds 4 or 5 blocks. So much for not being a REAL center.
JeJe
October 31st, 2009
11:34 pm
Hawks better play hard and try steal 1 of these games. If we are to win big games on the road, we need J.Craw getting 28+ minutes
richbrave
November 1st, 2009
1:02 am
Sekou Smith
October 30th, 2009
8:37 pm
Crawford’s steady heat while Gilbert’s suddenly gone cold.
I wouldn’t discount my home team just yet. SAUNDERS is working some quiet magic in D.C. By the end of this season, the WIZ should be formidable opposition.
hawks_4_life
November 1st, 2009
1:06 am
How is everyone’s fantasy bball team looking? Today is the last day to seal the win.
richbrave
November 1st, 2009
1:14 am
ILL-LOGICAL:
Don’t count on it. In SAUNDERS’ offense both will be come highly effective as both HAYWOOD and JAMISON decline. In fact ANTAWN has already begun that process IMO. No way either leaves. BLATCHE just dropped 30 on the NETS tonight, and he is serious about his work unlike other years. BTW, the WIZ just picked up both options for next year on NICK YOUNG, and McGEE. In an ominous sign for doc’s and my man JAVARIS CRITTENTON, the club did not exercise it’s option. I knew it. They’re gonna’ wait and see on him. He really screwed himself playing in the ATLANTA summer league without permission.
Truth-Serum
November 1st, 2009
4:26 am
fresh-start-for-crawford
Good article from Sekou. It has me drooling. I can imagine Crawford at the point with JJ @ the 2. NO doubt that would be the best best court in the NBA!!! Ferocious. That would definitely open up the low post….wide open. Choose your posion!
Grandad's Mother
November 1st, 2009
4:29 am
Guys, Im enjoying the blog page here. I really enjoy how guys like ken and truth-serum and sautee create these fictional people and you use them to support your views and Idea’s, as if two people are having a conversation when there is really only one. Id like to introduce myself and hope that I get the same welcome you gave Grandad, Im Grandad’s Mom.
Shout out to my son!
Grandad's Mother
November 1st, 2009
4:33 am
Yea, before the last two games we did not have a low post game so we had no offense out side of the guards and shooting forwards. Hopefully players in the low post will make shots and become more reliable so woodson can have more options.
Truth-Serum
November 1st, 2009
4:49 am
Welcome Granddad’s Mother. Feel free to expression your opinion. Yes. You are right. There is a lot of fictional characters on this site.
I must agree. Did you notice how in the last game horford was 4 of 11 from the post. Thats not good at all. Id like to see a higher pct. from the post. Normally the higher pct is the post. He and zaza arent good finishers. Cant blame it on Woodson if you have 11 shots it means hes giving you the opportunity to be a part of the offense. Its up to Horford to make the basket. Woodson cant play for them. Thank God for the Guard play to keep us in the game. I hear them whine alot about how Horford has these double doubles. Yeah, 10 points on 4 of 15 from right under the basket and 5 of the rebounds were his own misses! Lets hope he gets better. Woodson is giving him a opportunities. They dont let woodson shoot for Horford or zaza.
This year hopefully Horford and zaza will learn to finish. Horford is a decent rebounder. Perhaps he can move back to the power forward spot and get rebounds like Dennis rod man use to. Hopefully well get a center at some point.
by the way why dont you and your son spell your name Granddad?
Grandad's Mother
November 1st, 2009
4:55 am
Well, Spelling is not a strength of my son. He is easily swayed. I find him hanging out with the Bubba crew a lot. Hes been given a “I HATE WOODSON” T-SHIRT. Go figure. I dont like the company he keeps.
Have to agree with you about the Hawks and the need for a center. What do you think about Crawford at the point JJ at the two, with marv, josh and Horford?
Truth-Serum
November 1st, 2009
4:58 am
Thats the best lineup the hawks have but it would weaken the second unit, unless we moved marv to the second unit. Any way im out for the night. Hopefully Ken and sautee will give you the same reception they gave your son. Welcome. Granddad’s Mother.
Grandad's Mother
November 1st, 2009
5:00 am
Thank you T.S. Good night, or should I say good morning to you.
hawks_4_life
November 1st, 2009
5:03 am
Grandad i think if you do that line up it takes away from the versatility of our bench. Our bench backcourt would be very undersized too with Bibby, teague and even Evans who already spends time at SF.
hawks_4_life
November 1st, 2009
5:04 am
T.S. you beat me to it lol.
Mark Bradley
November 1st, 2009
8:49 am
Grandad
October 31st, 2009
9:29 pm
OK KEN
Grandad's Mother
November 1st, 2009
9:03 am
hawks_4_life I guess you are right. I was thinking the same thing. But its just intriguing to see a back court of Crawford and JJ. Truely thats unstoppable. It would be the best in the nba. Imagine how many by default baskets Horford would get.
If we put crawford and jj with moe evans josh and Horford to start at 1,2,3,4,5
Back that up with Teague and Bibb, Marvin Joe smith and collins or zaza and let the offens run through Marvin with teague penetrating, Bibby and Joe smith bursting shots and smith and collins holding the middle.
Its just a thought.
Truth-Serum
November 1st, 2009
9:06 am
hawks_4_life
November 1st, 2009
5:04 am
I guess I got up before you did. Id say he’s rather obvious and with obvious reasons. Glad you enjoyed the satire. I guess youll beat me up next time.
Thanks for the shout out!!
doc
November 1st, 2009
10:51 am
rich, thanks for the summary. hope the wiz continue to give head fakes at getting better when playing the hawks.
lakers tonight, huh, they any good?
Keep it Real!
November 1st, 2009
11:14 am
Woodie is not a good coach! M. Biddy playing time should decrease he is truly a defensive liability. Early in the year you should want to divide the time.
When you play 4 games in 5 days you need to play 10 players, this will help the starters be able to effectively close a game on the road.
This team will need Jamal to score and dish on the road because this current group of players have a history of playing poorly on the road.
Dos Hawkquis
November 1st, 2009
11:21 am
How the Hawks play tonight’s game will mean so much to me. If they get blown out, like they did during the preseason game at Orlando, then the Hawks are who we thought they were.
However, if they put up a good fight, then I will still consider them as a possible 3 seesd in the East, supplanting_________?
We are all familiar with the Hawks woes on the road, but we have Crawford, Joe Smith, Teague, and Collins who are not familiar with the Hawks road malaise.
“I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends!”
Keep it Real!
November 1st, 2009
11:34 am
@Dos…. I think if the Hawks stay healthy they can get the 4 or 5 spot this year. The Wizards will have a very good team once all their players return.
I believe Crawford is the key to the Hawks winning on the road. I do not expect much out of J. Smith, Teague and Collins when it comes to helping the Hawks win on the road.
JeJe
November 1st, 2009
11:39 am
Things I’d like to see today:
1) Al Horford to stop taking that dreadful contested awkward fadeaway shot he never makes
2) Marvin to actually contribute all 4 quarters and to stop driving the lane with his timid, awkward, and frail body hitting the floor every time
3) Jamal Crawford to shoot whenever the heck he wants to
4) The Hawks to actually run some plays
Keep it Real!
November 1st, 2009
11:53 am
That is why Woodie is a terrible coach! Woodie will call a time-out to call a clear out for Joe Johnson for the entire 4th quarter. As if teams cannot adjust to guarding JJ in the 4th quarter.
Marvin Williams is just soft. He will always be a 14 point scorer 3 to 5 rebounds and soft defense that is M. Williams.
Dos Hawkquis
November 1st, 2009
12:03 pm
Coach Woodsons has the same problems as Mark Richt, of the Georgia Bulldogs, he is loyal to a fault. Woodson is gracious to Bibby, because Bibby SAVED Coach Woodson’s job by leading us to the playoffs and taking B-town to 7games. There is no way and I mean NO WAY that Jamal Crawford should be coming off the bench.
I bet that if JJ/Crawford/Marvin/Smoove/Horford were your starting 5, we would be impossible to stop and Bibby coming off the bench would provide a spark with the 3-pt ball.
“I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends!”
Idiot Check
November 1st, 2009
12:04 pm
Who in the hell is M. Biddy? What kind of idiot is sending this hate message? and Who in the hell is Biddy? sautee? is that you?
Keeping it real!!
November 1st, 2009
12:06 pm
I guess imitation is the greastest form of flattery. Thanks sautee(keep it real). Im flattered!
Keeping it real!!
November 1st, 2009
12:08 pm
Next time you imitate me aleast remember to add the ing. By the way Woodson is doing a great job…once again!!
Dos Hawkquis
November 1st, 2009
12:10 pm
Has anyone else noticed that Zaza and Marvin are cluts driving to the lane? OMG!! Everytime they drive, they mysteriously end up on the floor. WTH??
ALSO, PLEASE NOTICE HOW THE LEAGUE IS CATERING TO LEBRON!! STERN WANTS HIM IN CLEVELAND.
1.THE LEAGUE ISSUED A RULING THAT WOULD ACCOMODATE THE “CRAB” DRIBBLE, BY STATING OFFICIALLY THAT A PLAYER CAN TAKE 2-STEPS AFTER RECEIVING THE BALL.
2.BRAYLEN EDWARDS, A 1ST RD. PICK ON A SCRUB TEAM, SLAPS LEBRON’S FRIEND. LEBRON ISSUES A STATEMENT. THE 1ST RD. EDWARDS IS TRADED THE SAME WEEK FOR SPARE PARTS.
“I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends!”
Dos Hawkquis
November 1st, 2009
12:11 pm
Coach Woodson has the same problems as Mark Richt, of the Georgia Bulldogs, he is loyal to a fault. Woodson is gracious to Bibby, because Bibby SAVED Coach Woodson’s job by leading us to the playoffs and taking B-town to 7games. There is no way and I mean NO WAY that Jamal Crawford should be coming off the bench.
I bet that if JJ/Crawford/Marvin/Smoove/Horford were your starting 5, we would be impossible to stop and Bibby coming off the bench would provide a spark with the 3-pt ball.
“I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends!”
Dezz real bygg Nuttz
November 1st, 2009
12:12 pm
Dos Hawkquis, I too like a back court with crawford at the point and JJ at the two. That would be sick!! Who could stop that? Bibby and teague moe evans and Joe smith plus collins. Nice second crew too! Cant wait till the 25th game when we work though and find the rotation.
Dezz real bygg Nuttz
November 1st, 2009
12:14 pm
Dos Hawkquis Yeah, Ive noticed that zaza is a clux and is the slowest man in the NBA.
Dos Hawkquis
November 1st, 2009
12:41 pm
lol @ Dezz!! the slowest man in the NBA. Ha!!
“I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends!”
ILL-logical
November 1st, 2009
12:51 pm
The wet kisses Jamal got in today’s ajc reveal an appreciation for professional basketball unseen in this city in more than 20 years.And it’s about time!
When Woodson “fiqures out ” a rotation-hopefully based on performance and not his personal preference- things could get really interesting around the ATL.
The Braves are still fighting the war of Northern aggression and the Falcons are ,frankly, defenseless. Jamal has all but stated that he is really a true point guard; tonight’s game with the Lakers will indicate where the Hawks are relative to last year, especially in the front court and Cleveland is off to a shakey start. The Hawks have an excellent opportunity to achieve not only regular season success but with JC at the helm, playoff success as well.
hawks_4_life
November 1st, 2009
1:02 pm
Like I said starting JC at point would take away from our bench, however I think it would be a great idea if he was in the game in the 4th quarter to help close and seal the victory.
O'Brien
November 1st, 2009
1:04 pm
Dos,
I like Crawford at the Point on the offensive end, but on defense, it could be a mismatch in favor of the other team.
I agree that Marvin and ZaZa are clumsy when driving. With ZaZa, I expect him to draw a foul, or turn the ball over. I have not been impressed with ZaZa so far this season. I hope he gets it going tonight, because we will need him against Bynum. And I have not been impressed with Marvin. But its a long season, so he will have his opportunities.
Does anyone know if Gasol is playing? If he isn’t, that would be HUGE for the Hawks. And I wonder if the Lakers will put Artest on Joe, and let Kobe guard Marvin. If Kobe is guarding Marvin, then we need to run some plays for Marvin, let Kobe work.
The Lakers lost at home to Dallas friday night, so I think they will be ready to play. Hawks might have to overcome an early blitz.
Dos Hawkquis
November 1st, 2009
1:26 pm
O’BRIEN,
There is no way that Crawford is MORE of a defensive liability than Bibby. As far as running plays for Marvin to make Kobe work. That would be a good strategy is Marvin was agressive and had that killer instinct. He lacks that. I would start Crawford tonight. With him coming from the west coast, he is used to the Lakers and what they will bring.
“I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends!”
hawks_4_life
November 1st, 2009
1:29 pm
Obrien
Last I saw he is out for the game tonight
niremetal
November 1st, 2009
1:50 pm
There is no way that Crawford is MORE of a defensive liability than Bibby.
Actually, there is, as anyone who has watched Crawford for the last 9 years (or even the last 2 games) could tell you. Since he’s quicker and taller than Bibby, one would think that he would be a better defender, but he plays neither hard nor smart on that end. He has no feel for the game on defense, and always seems to end up fouling when he does bother to try and make a play on the ball.
If Crawford gave a rat’s ass about defense, he would easily be a better defender than Bibby. I know that the grass always seems greener, but no one but Kelly Dwyer actually says Bibby is one of the very worst defenders in the league. Plenty of people have said the same about Crawford. And there’s good reason for that. Every scouting report on him says the same thing: He doesn’t try. Everyone who watched him play in New York and with the Warriors said the same thing. See his most recent SI scouting report, which called him one of the worst defenders in the league at guard. DraftExpress and Hoopshype both say he doesn’t play defense, and even one of his coaches with the Warriors noted that he didn’t give an effort on D.
And if all that failed you could have just watched the first two games, where he either committed a foul or got torched almost every single time the man he was guarding made a move to the basket. I wish I were exaggerating, but I’m not. At least Bibby often forces his man towards a help defender or hedges enough to cut off his path to the lane – like Steve Nash, Bibby might not have great defensive tools, but he plays smart D. Crawford just gives up on the play when he realizes his man is going to get by him – he doesn’t try to alter his angle to the basket.
The grass isn’t always greener.
niremetal
November 1st, 2009
1:52 pm
Here’s the link to that story about Crawford’s defense in Golden State:
http://48minutes.net/2009/01/16/warriors-trying-to-rebuild-jamal-crawfords-defense-from-ground-zero/
You can go ask Golden State fans or check their message boards to see if they thought Smart’s off-the-court work with Crawford led to him giving more defensive effort on the floor last season.
Hopefully, Woody and Co. will get through to him and make him try harder on the defensive end. But old habits are hard to break.
FIREMIKEWOODSONEXPRESS
November 1st, 2009
1:59 pm
PEOPLE PLEASE THE HAWKS BEAT TWO TEAMS THEY SHOULD HAAVE. THEY WILL STILL NOT BE ABLE TO WIN THE GAMES THAT MATTER. BECAUSE WOODSON IS A IDIOT. I WILL NOT SUPPORT THE HAWKS AGAIN UNTIL THEY FIRE MIKE WOODSON.
Tbird
November 1st, 2009
2:08 pm
Nire: Crawford has played on perennially poor teams…and bad defensive teams as well. He was actually an average defender for much of his stay in Chicago, admittedly gave little thought or concerted effort in his last two stops. In his first two games as a hawk…both of which I have dvr’d…he was poor in game one and retty good in game two…actually stripping Arenas in the post on one occasion and keeping him in front and making him pass off on another. Let’s give him some time…by any stretch he is capable of being a MUCH better defender than Bibby who is helpless against either speed OR size.
Josh Smith,jj,Bibby,Crawford,Marv,Horford- Woodson
November 1st, 2009
2:23 pm
FIREMIKEWOODSONEXPRESS Gee, we are going to miss you! Bye, good luck to your new team.
JeJe
November 1st, 2009
2:47 pm
LOL @ Kobe guarding Marvin. Does he even have to cover him? I saw Luther Head (Who?) who is 6″2 shut down Marvin in Atlanta back in 2008. All you have to do to guard Marvin is stay within 2 feet of him so he cannot get a jumpshot off and if he tries drive, he’ll fall.
Truth-Serum
November 1st, 2009
2:49 pm
ah Roger that Dos Hawkquis, place a big Ditto on the Crawford is a better defender than Bibby. We are talking about back-em-down he cant jump any higher than zaza, Bibby,Right? Ill bet Bibby cant dunk anymore, any takers? No doubt Crawford is a better point than bibby and could command a double team at times. Dont get me wrong, Bibby is an asset for sure, but if you want to cause Kaos with the other team, Crawford and JJ would be a back court from hell. Im not worried about Crawfords defense. His man is going to be winded anyway after the track me JJ and Crawford would put on. Get them a true center and lets go hunt that title!
hawks_4_life
November 1st, 2009
2:53 pm
Raptors getting stomped by the Magic. Someone needs to show them what a defensive playbook is. LOL
Idiot Check
November 1st, 2009
3:13 pm
FIREMIKEWOODSONEXPRESS..sha na na na…sha na na na… hey hey hey… Good bye…sha na na na…sha na na na… hey hey hey… Good bye. ” sing it with me now…..sha na na na…sha na na na… hey hey hey… Good bye.
hawks_4_life
November 1st, 2009
3:15 pm
OH OH im up 6-5 on my fantasy basketball, too bad i wont hold on to it by the end of the day.
Grandad
November 1st, 2009
3:31 pm
Grndds Mthr & Trth Srm.: You amuse me. However, my real mother is in Heaven. Also; I spell it that way because I want to. After careful consideration I thought the extra “d” was redunddant. Pun intendded.
Once again I mostly read this board for information. I generally skip over the inane banter. However, earlier I picked up on your clever repartee. For the record, I wish Woody great success. I just don’t see greatness for him. He is workmanlike but not innovative. He does not inspire greatness. He has virtually no charisma. My delemma is that he was my choice when BK was making the selection. He also insults me with his rude language in the media. He should be aware that children and ladies listen to him on occasion. But I do wish him well for in so doing our Hawks will in turn be successful. On another note, I am “country” but be careful because your “bubba” remark was loaded and unappreciated. It would disappoint my real mother. Hopefully , from now on I can give the rebuttals a rest and resrve my comments for the best game with the best athletes on the planet.
Idiot Check
November 1st, 2009
3:35 pm
Grandad/Ken, you are an idiot. I CHECKED!
Joe Mama
November 1st, 2009
3:36 pm
Ditto Grandad/Ken you are an Idiot!
Grandads Mother
November 1st, 2009
3:37 pm
Son please come home!
Grandads Mother
November 1st, 2009
3:38 pm
Bubba Ken, please stay away from my Son!
Joe Mama
November 1st, 2009
3:39 pm
Go home to your mother son.
Sautee
November 1st, 2009
3:53 pm
yawn.
more useless bs. by our multi-named poster.
It’s ok. I know how to scroll. Thanks dmb, wherever you are.
Grandad,
Good luck. Some trolls just want reactions.
There will be one soon. Keep watching.
hawks_4_life
November 1st, 2009
4:29 pm
Raptors just made me eat crow lol.
Ken Strickland
November 1st, 2009
4:48 pm
NIREMETAL-There’s can be a difference between being a bad defender and not giving a good effort. Bibby’s inability to fight over picks, due an obvious lack of lateral movement, is why Woodson employed a switching DEF. His lack of speed, quickness and lateral movement is also the reason JJ is usually assigned to play the opposing PG’s, instead of SG’s.
No HC that Crawford’s played under has had to take such drastic steps to accomodate any of his DEF liabilities. The fact he’s demonstrated the ability to fight over picks automatically makes him a better defender than Bibby. You mentioned the Warriors. Well, since when has DNelson required a player to play DEF, or designed a recognizable DEF system? And former Knicks HC IThomas, for whatever reason, couldn’t get his players to play OFF or DEF, and in some instances, even enter the gm.
It’s no secret you like Bibby as our starting PG, we’ve had that discussion recently. But to say Crawford, as a defender, is as bad, or worse than Bibby is going way overboard with your enthusiasm for Bibby. Crawford’s ability to effectively fight over picks could eliminate our need to switch on pick and rolls, as well as allow JJ the luxury of going back to defending SG’s instead of PG’s. That, in turn, would be a tremendous help to our frontline, who wouldn’t consistently end up in mismatches because of our switching DEF.
JEJE-I remember seeing 6′7″ 200lb Bruce Bowen of the Spurs hand 7′0″ 245lb Dirk Nowitzki of the Mavericks his lunch the yr Dirk won the MVP award. NOW, DID BBOWEN’S DEF PERFORMANCE AGAINST DIRK MAKE HIM LESS OF A PLAYER? DID IT CAUSE THE NBA TO TAKE BACK HIS MVP AWARD? Come on!!
Joe Mama
November 1st, 2009
5:28 pm
Truth-Serum
Good insite T.S., Looks like youve started a good debate. Actually its a no brainer. That would be quiet a duo.It could be a all time hawk great back court. Well I guess youd have to start with pistol pete and lou hudson, and there were other good hawks tandems. Surely this would be a good duo. The question is how do we get Woodson to buy into it since its his team.
Truth-Serum
November 1st, 2009
4:26 am
fresh-start-for-crawford
Good article from Sekou. It has me drooling. I can imagine Crawford at the point with JJ @ the 2. NO doubt that would be the best best court in the NBA!!! Ferocious. That would definitely open up the low post….wide open. Choose your posion!
Grandad
November 1st, 2009
5:30 pm
Shout out to my mother!
Grandads Mother
November 1st, 2009
5:32 pm
Shout out to my son!
Joe Mama
November 1st, 2009
5:41 pm
Good insight
quite a duo
Ken Strickland
November 1st, 2009
10:39 pm
SAUTEE-you have to admit, this clown is one sick puppy. Makes the character in the movie, THE FACES OF EVE seem perfectly normal. What kind of sick mentality can consistently derive so much pleasure from such an infantile endeavor? Even a child gets bored playing the same gm over and over. He’s living prove that just like all alcoholics aren’t enrolled in AA, all nut jobs aren’t where they belong either.
Since he seems to have so much fun conversing with his multiple personalities, just scroll past his BS and don’t respond. Remember, just because a parrot can repeat what he hears doesn’t mean he’s capable of comprehending what he’s saying. WOW, I just insulted all parrots.