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The Hawks saw far too much of Dwight Howard and friends Friday night in Orlando. And that's the way it's going to be all season for these (so-called) Southeast Division rivals.

The Hawks saw far too much of Dwight Howard and friends Friday night in Orlando. And that's the way it's going to be all season for these (so-called) Southeast Division rivals.

HAWKSVILLE – Stay low any of you unlucky Hawks fans in or around Orlando this weekend.

After your team’s performance against the Magic Friday night (yeah, I know it was a preseason game and doesn’t actually count for anything) might get you run out of town.

For those of you like me that watched the game from afar, you’re probably still trying to get the tag of that 18-wheeler that steamrolled the Hawks (the carnage was all over Amway Arena at the end of the Magic’s 123-86 demolition).

I know there’s not much to be gleamed from a preseason game, especially one where you get beaten senseless (did the Magic miss from deep in the first half?). But this game had special circumstances. It’s the Magic and Hawks, the two teams that finished 1-2 in the Southeast Division last year.

You had to know the Magic would be eager to send a message. I was expecting the Hawks to rise up and answer that challenge with a shot or two of their own. They did not. They looked lost out there. They were unable to match the Magic in any facet of the game. It was an embarrassing showing for a team that fancies itself an outfit on the rise.

Sure, I know it won’t mean anything in the morning. The real games start Wednesday and all that good stuff.

Remember what you saw on this night, though (well not you Jeff Teague. Put this game in the trash can and move on rookie. It happens, these dreadful shooting nights). The Magic won’t forget. They know they put their finger in the face of the Hawks and didn’t get slugged in return. That means the psychological, physical and emotional edge they had over their supposed chief rival remains intact from last season (you remember the way the Magic abused the Hawks every chance they could, just to drive it home that they were not threatened by the occasional Hawks win in the series).

A rivalry requires the Hawks to step up to the challenge, even in the preseason. They did nothing. They took one lick after another and barely showed any resistance. Winning the game wasn’t important. I wanted to see if the Hawks would bow up and scrap with the Magic if they got pushed around early and they ran the other way. It was a surprising response from a team that’s talked big since the end of last season about coming back this year better and hungrier than they were a year ago

Anyone wondering why the national pundits and fans in other places don’t take the Hawks serious, rewind the tape and watch this game again and you’ll have your answer. And that space between the Hawks and the upper crust of the Eastern Conference (the Magic, Celtics and Cavaliers) is even greater than I realized.

(We could spend a little time deciphering the box score from this game but what’s the use? Sometimes it’s best to just go to sleep and wake up with something else on your mind.)

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rms

October 23rd, 2009
10:45 pm

rms

October 23rd, 2009
10:47 pm

That was an execution we just witnessed!! Everybody sucked not only the coaches, but the trainers, assistant trainers, waterboy, even the beat writers!!!

rms

October 23rd, 2009
10:47 pm

I got the blog all to myself!!

rms

October 23rd, 2009
10:49 pm

So much for respect! Now we just prove the “experts” they were were right. Now ESPN can brag even harder about the Big 3 in the East

rms

October 23rd, 2009
10:49 pm

Hello………………..

niremetal

October 23rd, 2009
10:51 pm

What’s the use,
What’s the use?
Oh, it’s so depressing,
So deeply distressing,
That things don’t work out.
What on earth is this world all about?

rms

October 23rd, 2009
10:51 pm

What does this mean to the team and its pysche??? The Magic seem to really have our number and they are rubbing it in our face.

D Brown

October 23rd, 2009
10:52 pm

Are the really serious!? There was no fight in this entire game…Joe Johnson should have taken the new deal if this game is a sign of things to come. As for Woody, he might want to keep quite about his contract being extended!

J.J.M.

October 23rd, 2009
10:53 pm

what i learned about the hawks…Have no idea why coach woodson still has all the 6″9 plus players standing around the 3 point line, nobody steps up when joe is double teamed, why the hawks suck on the road but are good at home, and why we shoot… jump shots 80 percent of the game and post up 20 percent of the time.Read More

Mz. Hawkdafied

October 23rd, 2009
11:02 pm

HUGE SPACE! About this big:[ ].

Mz. Hawkdafied

October 23rd, 2009
11:03 pm

Bigger than that [__________________________________________________________]! Okay that’s more like it!

Big Ray

October 23rd, 2009
11:04 pm

I’m not surprised that the Magic beat us.

Talent is one thing. Cohesion is another. They shot the lights out. We couldn’t buy a bucket. Reminds me of the whooping we took last year.

Sorry to have to say this, but when you lose, you ALL lose. Players AND coaches.

I’m sick to my stomach of hearing that same stupid alibi that another team is just better. That explains a loss, but it does NOT explain a beating. Why do our guys continue to stand around and look lost? Why do our guys not fight back harder?

Do we still lack leadership on the court and on the sidelines? Is that it? Why did an offense that looked so good in the last few preseason games look like a train wreck this time around?

The blame doesn’t go on any one or two people. But at the same time, it touches EVERYBODY.

superbasketballfan

October 23rd, 2009
11:08 pm

anybody missing garret siler now??? dwight howard dogged all the centers the hawks threw at him hawks deserved to lose they do not have a center ////Siler come back PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!

Ramon

October 23rd, 2009
11:08 pm

I’m sorry but the best coach for this squad would be Hubie Brown. I’m not saying change coaches, I’m just saying for years I’ve always wondered how he would do as the coach and tonight couldn’t help but DREAM.

JayDubu

October 23rd, 2009
11:10 pm

Not that it should have made a big difference in the game tonight, but the Hawks did play last night. They still have no inside offensive attack, and shoot poorly from the perimeter.

They’ll play better than they did tonight, but they are not in the same class as the Cavs, Celtics, or Magic, and might be looking up to the Heat in the standings this season.

Fist time I’ve seen the Hawks this preseason. The bench is a lot better, but Woody has to use them, and not burn the starters, night in and night out.

The Hawks need to have either a consistent inside game, or a consistent outside game, and it doesn’t look as though they have either. Let’s hope they find their identity soon, or this season could be a short one for Woody.

Mz. Hawkdafied

October 23rd, 2009
11:12 pm

I’m not surprised either. Just thought I’d see the Hawks compete not rollover and get trampled on. Yeah the blame goes to everyone on the roster that played and the coaches who coached the game. Usually I’m more optimistic but my optimism just went out the door with the Hawks’ ahh whatchamacallit that didn’t show tonight.

Big Ray

October 23rd, 2009
11:13 pm

I can understand the idea that Orlando is so talented offensively that they will be difficult for anybody to stop.

However, this is NO explanation for why our offense looked exactly as it did last year. NO explanation at ALL.

And there is a difference between being able to beat somebody, and being able to compete with them. We may not have what it takes to beat them, but we DO have what it takes to compete with them. I can see losing by a handful of points. Even losing by 15 or so. But 30+? Why are we still shooting jumpers all day long?

Why does our offense, which should have kept us in the game more than it did, look just as retarded as last years?

Matter of fact, WHY does our offense look so totally different than it did in the last 5 or 6 games?

Big Ray

October 23rd, 2009
11:15 pm

Mz. Hawkdafied,

Yeah, we know what didn’t get brought tonight.

CDawg42

October 23rd, 2009
11:15 pm

Pride is something you either have or you don’t. To get beaten like that (even if its preseason) and not fight back goes beyond the basketball court. This is a sign of men who have no pride. This starts with the coach and filters down to the players. A player with pride will battle you even in a pickup game when no one is watching.

I know its only preseason but I get the feeling we’ll be having this same conversation a few times somewhere along the way to another early exit from the playoffs.

That sound you just heard was the air escaping from my Hawks bubble that just popped!

rms

October 23rd, 2009
11:17 pm

I remember when Hubie Brown coached the Grizzlies that year they went to the playoffs for two seasons. Then he retired because the job was wearing on him. After that so went the Memphis Grizzlies back into the dump.

JayDubu

October 23rd, 2009
11:17 pm

I think that the Hawks may have blown their chance to garner more nationally broadcast games for this season.

It’s tough to build up a team that doesn’t show up for the big games.

Sekou Smith

October 23rd, 2009
11:18 pm

It’s gonna take more than Garret Siler for the Hawks to deal with the Magic this season. I didn’t realize how deep that team was until I saw them trot out player after player to take turns whacking that Hawks pinata all night long.

A-town Vet

October 23rd, 2009
11:19 pm

Somebody needs to slap the #$#^*& out of Mike Woodson. His defensive strategy continues to be a detriment to this team and the lack of an offensive system only compounds the Hawks issues when other teams take advantage of us. I actually saw Mike Bibby switch and try to check Anderson on several occasions. This really con not be Mike Woodson’s strategy. I am going to give him credit for trying to trick the Magic into think this is how we are going to play them then show a completely different game plan in the regular season. This is the type of ish that gets you fired in the preseason.

Samuel

October 23rd, 2009
11:20 pm

To be honest the magic may not shoot that well but they are at least 20 points better than the Hawks with both teams at their best.

Ray, I see it happen all the time. On all levels. Whenever you can get athletic and talented players in any sport to buy into playing defense at such a high level the offense looks like we did tonight. Consequently, that breaks the other teams back.

Bottom line is the Magic is: Bigger, Stronger and faster than the Hawks and that’s not gonna change.

Big Ray

October 23rd, 2009
11:24 pm

Ramon ,

You just don’t know how right you are (or maybe you do :) ). Hubie Brown did some very nice things with a far less talented Memphis squad. I’ve always liked him. But be careful. You’re talking about some old white guy, and you KNOW that will get you a position on the BUBBA CREW! :twisted: :roll: :lol:

Mz. Hawkdafied

October 23rd, 2009
11:26 pm

And that exactly how the Hawks think Samuel they are bigger, stronger, and faster we can’t possibly beat them. And that showed up tonight. The difference between the Bulls and Hawks: Fight. The Bulls are not going down without a fight excuse me whatchamacallit. Where the heck was the Hawks fight tonight? Is it too much to ask for them to at least compete and not just show up.

O'Brien

October 23rd, 2009
11:27 pm

Samuel,

The Magic are also better coached.

Mz. Hawkdafied

October 23rd, 2009
11:29 pm

No I don’t know exactly, that’s why I called it watchamacallit.

doublet23

October 23rd, 2009
11:30 pm

so much for winning the division i told you guys orlando was better they lost turk and lee but gained vince and young stud in aderson and bass plus white chocolate and batt barnes and they have dwight,nelson and lewis plus key players like gortat and pietrus that is a deep and underated team

Big Ray

October 23rd, 2009
11:30 pm

Samuel ,

I’ll buy the “bigger.” Stronger? Only Dwight. Nobody else on that squad, with the exception of Bass is really stronger. Faster? No way. We are every bit as athletic as they are, but they play together. We did not.

I’m not denying the level of talent, but this was also mental. We didn’t have it, we didn’t take it, we didn’t want it.

The Truth

October 23rd, 2009
11:30 pm

I warned you guys about nick-naming Teague JT_0

As Big Ray would say, I know it’s just pre-season BUT:

Does anyone miss Flip Murray yet?

Trust me; losing this game in this fashion is a blessing:

It takes the air out of the inflated egos including Sund

Maybe now the Hawks get off the high-horse and get serious about the next level

Maybe now Crawford starts playing to his strength and not be something that he’s not

Maybe now Josh gets serious about his free-throws

Maybe now Teague reevaluate his weaknesses

Maybe now Sund will reconsider signing Stackhouse

Maybe now the team forgets about the pundits ranking and just play fundamental basketball

One last question: Where is the backbone of this team?
Answer: It got punk tonight and didn’t show up

THE POSITIVE THING WE GET OUT OF THIS GAME IS THAT IT’S JUST PRESEASON

seed

October 23rd, 2009
11:31 pm

Forget joe.

I am tired of being humiliated with him at the lead. joe might be a better overall player than Crawford but Crawford has twice as much heart. I’m tired of watching joe drop his pistol. Nobody will ever accuse Crawford of being scared when that ball is in his hand. I am sick of having to convince myself that joe isn’t scared.

joe has no guts.

I can deal with Josh’s bad decisions better than I can joe’s cowardice.

joe stinks

Ramon

October 23rd, 2009
11:32 pm

Big Ray, you may be right. But I am black ( http://www.myspace.com/zionscalling ). And Hubie Brown has always been one of the best persons in the league who treated black players with respect. That is why he is loved so much. But he loves motion offense. That is why I think he would do great. This team is missing a motion offense. And that is what’s separating the team more than anything in the personnel.

JayDubu

October 23rd, 2009
11:32 pm

I can see Crawford sliding into the spot as the go to man. I think he has better offensive skills than Joe.

Big Ray

October 23rd, 2009
11:32 pm

I’m going to have to co-sign Mz. Hawkdafied on this one. The Bulls fight harder than we do. Anybody wanna tell me WHY?

We fought the Celtics harder than this back in ‘07-’08. Much harder. And that Celtics team back then would have beat the stank off of this Magic team.

I’m so glad this is preseason. If this was regular season…

Gutz

October 23rd, 2009
11:35 pm

Sekou, It’s pretty clear we NEED a new coach at this point. Just admit it for once! Our offense is horrendous out there. It appeared to be one on one ball again like always. Just awful offense all around again. Woody is way over his head and doesn’t know what he is doing. What a joke. We have an loaded team with talent and come out like that with no offensive cohesion whatsoever. That’s all on the coach guys.

Mz. Hawkdafied

October 23rd, 2009
11:36 pm

What’s wrong with naming Teague JT0 or J Quick. He’s still fast!

thehawksfannumero1

October 23rd, 2009
11:38 pm

lol celtics are over rated just like this team we suck no way we making it out of the second round we i thought we were deep in the pg position but the rookie sucks and bibby dinth even show up, williams is not worth the contract we gave him yes he can score but defensively he sucks al cant play center against the big dogs we got a weak front court other than smth and al no real meat… our bench is being exposed and is old with collins and smith and we are not as good as the big 3

Mz. Hawkdafied

October 23rd, 2009
11:40 pm

Shid I know KG was missing from the Celtics last season and that may have been a factor I’ve already said this. Perhaps their offense is better. I don’t know that’s why I have NBA League Pass cause I’m trying to figure it out by watching other teams in action. But actually the Hawks coach should be trying to figure out what the problem is not me I’m just a fan along for the ride. And what a roller coaster it’s been.

Big Ray

October 23rd, 2009
11:40 pm

Ramon ,

So am I (black). I was just messing with you, because you know what happens around here when you mention another coach for the Hawks. I have a whole lot of respect for Hubie Brown, from how he treats the players (regardless of ethnic background) and how he understands/teaches/coaches the game. I think he was tired of the politics of the business (plus dude is like 80 freakin’ years old or something) and had to look after his health, or he’d still be coaching. There aren’t many like him at all. As for what you think separates this team more than personnel, I agree, as unpopular an opinion as that may be among some.

Mz. Hawkdafied ,

Let me be frank with you. What didn’t get brought tonight was something your husband has, and you don’t…anatomically speaking. :)

Truth ,

I disagree only on two things. One, Teague has been playing wonderfully up until this point, better than we expected from a mid/late first round pick. One bad game isn’t going to shake my opinion on him any more than a bad game from Joe is going to make me think he’s no longer an all-star.

Two, no I don’t miss Flip. Crawford played better than both starting guards, and didn’t do any less than Flip would have done. You think would have won that game for us or made it closer? I don’t. And tell me the last time Flip had 9 assists off the bench in a game (like Crawford did last game). Nothing against Flip, but I don’t miss him like you think I should.

PD

October 23rd, 2009
11:42 pm

Gutz you are right they just did not execute anything at all

Big Ray

October 23rd, 2009
11:42 pm

I wouldn’t put it all on the coach, but I also wouldn’t absolve him of the situation, either.

Mz. Hawkdafied

October 23rd, 2009
11:42 pm

Big Ray why don’t you tell us WHY? I never claim to know much. Basically I give my opinion on what I see, hear, and read.

cp

October 23rd, 2009
11:43 pm

Teague was playing well this pre season. He had a bad game so please kill the Law comparisons. There is nothing Flip Murray could have done tonight to change the outcome unless he was gone grow into a 7 footer and defend Howard or actually guard somebody on the perimeter. We got beat by a better team period. My problem is still the lack of an offensive identity and how Woodson still cant make adjustments. If plan A does not work he rarely has a plan B.

kwooden1

October 23rd, 2009
11:45 pm

I just finished watching the game, in which I got to fast forward through all the timeouts. I missed some of the effect, but not the overall beating!! Orlando was lights out and we couldn’t respond. The double teaming on Howard really opened up the 3 and Orlando was hitting. The only thing I can say is you have to give some hard fouls in that type of game and live with the effects. The HAWKS missed Joe Smith, because he would have done a better job on Howard and would have helped on offensive. (didn’t go into to Horford enough) Ryan Anderson is a very nice player, he really hurt us the first half. Morris played pretty well off the bench and Othello worked hard. I would be angry with that type of beating but Orlando shot 65% from 3. They lived by the 3 tonight.

GO HAWKS!!!

Samuel

October 23rd, 2009
11:46 pm

Ray,

Nelson is stronger and quicker, Anderson is taller than anybody on our starting 5 and you guys keep forgetting that Vince Carter is probably one of the most athletic players to ever come along in the NBA. Other that LeBron, there has not been a more athletic and skilled player ever and you want to hear the most amazing stat of the day(He’s only 32). WOW!!

This just in: The Magic was without one of their best players.

seed

October 23rd, 2009
11:47 pm

JayDubu, you “think” Crawford has better offensive skills? It’s not even close. Joe is better overall but for pure offense joe is not even close. That’s why it made no sense running the offense through joe while Crawford was on the floor.

Truth, did you call out Teague, Josh, Crawford, and Sund? Are you serious? Who is making all the money? Who is the “go to guy”?

Everybody on the Magic team was making shots like they had a homing device on it. It is because they felt the wind at their backs. That wind was Howard and Carter. When has joe been the wind at these guys back against a good team when in a difficult situation? This game is joe’s signature. I have always been a huge fan of joe but tonight is the last straw. He stinks. He has no guts. I would rather have Mario. If you beat him 20 times he will fight to like it was the first time. joe will roll over.

I am telling you if this guy continues to be recognized as the leader it will set a bad example for the young players.

Don’t run any more plays for joe. Let him get it where he can. Run plays for Horford, Josh, Crawford. Say what you want to about them but they are not scared with the ball in their hand and each can beat his man off the dribble.

Forget joe.

He is not gonna say anything anyway.

thehawksfannumero1

October 23rd, 2009
11:48 pm

why worry on offense when we got destroyed defensively its true what do the big 3 do play great defense we dont do that thats why we are not elite we have to stop worieng about offense you saw how orlando played defense and it lead to easy fast break dunks and lay ups thats what we have to do make denfence a priority

Mz. Hawkdafied

October 23rd, 2009
11:48 pm

So the Hawks acted like a team of pansies, sissies, transvestites, punks. So frankly you’re saying the Hawks left their balls at home. Okay thanks for telling me what you call it.

Gutz

October 23rd, 2009
11:49 pm

PD, from watching the game there was no offensive gameplan to even execute. Woody doesn’t have a clue what to do with this team and our defense was flat out awful as well. Woody made ZERO adjustments and the same ole same ole happens. If we had a real coach in here this team would be lethal but it will never happen with the buffoon Woody at the helm.