Cut Day!
The Mario West era came to an abrupt end before practice Wednesday. He was one of three players the Hawks cut to trim the roster to 13 players.
HAWKSVILLE – A group that numbered 20 just a few weeks ago is now down to just 13.
It was cut day at the Hawks’ practice facility Wednesday, and the scene was grim.
Mario West and Courtney Sims got the word that their time was up before practice, so there was already a feeling that something (or more accurately someone) was missing.
But the gut-punch came later when rookie center Garret “Big Glacier” Siler got his pink slip afterwards.
As his teammates filed into the locker room each one glanced at the big fella with one eyebrow raised. He returned fire with a hollow look in his eyes and the peace sign. Even though they all knew this was not only a possibility but most likely a probability, it didn’t make the event any easier to swallow. Othello Hunter is the only free agent camper that remains from the army of eight that showed up with designs on landing one of the (three) open roster spots available.
Second-year forward Othello Hunter is the last man standing. No one should be surprised. He made the team the same way last year. And he’s gotten loads better since then. So he his inclusion was well earned (the Hawks’ roster stands at 13 players heading into the final two preseason games before next week’s regular season opener against Indiana).
Hawks coach Mike Woodson was worn out after having to speak to all three players. He was the one that championed West’s cause two years ago, when the energetic but undrafted rookie from Georgia Tech put on a hustle showcase in training camp to make the team.
“People probably thought I was crazy and didn’t know what I was doing,” Woodson said. “But I wasn’t crazy. This kid is probably the hardest working kid I’ve ever coached as far as coming early, staying late and making every single second of practice competitive. And when we put him in the game, he did some good things for us. And over the time he was here he got better. So this is tough, really tough. Anytime you cut a kid it’s a tough day. But for me, it’s tougher than you can ever imagine because I became so attached to him and his work ethic. That’s what you try and teach young guys. That’s the first part of being a player in this league.”
It wasn’t easy for the regulars to watch guys like West, Sims and Siler leave, either. After all, relationships were formed. Friendships were cultivated. Good times were had by all.
“It’s tough because I’ve been in their shoes before,” Zaza Pachulia said. “So this hurts me in so many ways. You get used to having guys around, especially when they are guys with great personalities like the guys we had here. They brought so much positive energy to this team. They were unselfish. And they listen to you and they’re trying to get better. It would be different if they weren’t such great guys.”
The 13th man on a 12-man team as a young teenager, Pachulia talked about the feelings he had on cut day years ago for the junior national team in his native Georgia. “I had all my bags packed thinking I was making the team and all my friends back home thought I’d made it, too,” he said. “I was only 14 at the time, but it felt like I was already in the big time.”
He was crushed when he learned that he was the odd man out.
“It was such an exciting time for me just being their in the training camp,” Pachulia said. “I thought I was going to Italy. And then when they told me … I will never forget that day. I used that as motivation to get better and work even harder. And that’s how these guys have to take this, as motivation. It has to give them energy and make them want to fight more to make it. And they’re good guys, so you know good things will happen for them. Hard work always pays off at some point. You just have to stay positive.”
Sims was the D-League MVP last season and has NBA experience, so finding another job won’t be hard. West has two years of NBA experience under his belt and could chase his fortunes with another NBA team or explore his options overseas. Siler’s a behemoth with plenty of ceiling. Pro basketball is obviously his future.
However, he was still trying to get over the initial shock of the news when I saw him last. He said he has just spoken to his agent and that he would figure out a plan for his next step.
It wouldn’t surprise me if any of these guys showed up on the Hawks’ radar again, maybe even this season.
“Hopefully,” Siler said with a half smile. “I guess we’ll see what happens down the road.”
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Hahahahaha
October 22nd, 2009
11:22 pm
“I’m still waiting for a response to the question I asked those who insist Teague isn’t ready or hasn’t proven he’s ready to become a starter”
OK I give up…Who writes this Sh!t can the man prove he can play one PRO REGULAR SEASON GAME FIRST?
truly1
October 22nd, 2009
11:24 pm
this is not street ball where you can just play free there is chemistry to develop ken
Butt Fart
October 22nd, 2009
11:25 pm
No! We must anoint him now!
Dooky cloud
October 22nd, 2009
11:27 pm
Teague is the next tony parker and he must start now! Bubba crew meeting for all teague fans after the game.
niremetal
October 22nd, 2009
11:28 pm
Ken,
As I said, it’s old, but I’ll give it one last shot and then let you shout into the wind on Bibby forevermore.
You addressed me directly in that last post, and then switched midway through to Melvin, which I admittedly didn’t see since your trademarked ALL CAPS shout-out wasn’t part of that post.
But note that the conversation wasn’t even about Bibby – it was about backup centers, and yet somehow you made it about Bibby.
As for the question at the end of your last rant about Bibby – I and several others have already responded to it, and you either are ignoring the response or viewing it as idiotic. To sum up, the response was: Bibby has been and continues to be a good PG for us, so it’s silly to place the burden on us to prove that Teague ISN’T ready. The burden is on Teague to prove that he IS ready to replace Bibby. Since you, unlike literally every single other person who has posted on this topic, think Bibby is terrible and the team has to “carry him,” you try to place the burden on other people to prove that Teague isn’t ready. But that doesn’t change the fact that multiple people have responded multiple times – you just choose not to view it as a valid response, because in your view Bibby is so bad that he doesn’t deserve to remain starter unless WE prove that Teague ISN’T ready. As I said, you seem to be pretty much alone in your view of Bibby as a massive weak link, kinda like Rod is with Marvin and Clyde with Horford.
Sorry to lump you in there, but the fact that you tried to turn a conversation about backup centers into one about Bibby’s weaknesses is eerily similar to those.
Terd Burglars Anonymous
October 22nd, 2009
11:28 pm
ken dont like bibby cause hes woodys boy dats what it is
hey what does *ding* mean?
DW
October 22nd, 2009
11:28 pm
I actually usually like Skeets’ column, but, man, he was way off here. Makes me question all the other stuff I’ve read by him.
Still, it’s usually reasonably entertaining.
what kindof metal is nire
October 22nd, 2009
11:30 pm
why cant two woody haters get along?
niremeNtal
October 22nd, 2009
11:31 pm
Ahem. Skeets is hereby condemned and blackballed from the bubba crew.
bourbonandcoke
October 22nd, 2009
11:36 pm
Joe Johnson was the most obvious of the breathless ones, unfortunately, for the third year in a row. Yes, for the third season in a row, he hit a wall that you just don’t see many stars of his caliber hit, and it’s easy to see why – he was handed the role of a minutes-leading superstar without actually having earned it.
Let’s give J.J. a break. He’s an All-Star, but the Hawks can’t keep trotting him out there for 40 or 41 minutes a night while asking him to act the part of LeBron Jr.
He’s proven he can’t work that way. Replacing those minutes with Mo Evans or Jamal Crawford or a big lineup will hurt, but not as much as watching the guy who takes the majority of your shots struggle through a 36 percent shooting month, with iffy defense, just because you’re riding him too hard.
bourbonandcoke
October 22nd, 2009
11:41 pm
Dime: “After going one round farther in the ‘09 postseason than they did in ‘08, the Hawks may have hit their peak as presently constructed. A top-four seed in the East is a reasonable goal, but top-three is a stretch, and knocking off one of the Cavs/Celtics/Magic triad in Round 2 is a pipe dream. The Hawks folded up like a chair against Cleveland in the conference semis, getting outworked inside, outshot and outclassed by LeBron all over the place. Johnson’s inability to respond in that series put his abilities as a legit franchise player in question, but he is in a contract year and could be on a mission to prove himself. Durability is another key, especially in the frontcourt. The Hawks have too much talent and, as young as they are still, too much experience to miss the playoffs in the East. But at the same time, they have just enough red flags to exit quickly and quietly.” [more]
• SLAM Online: “Most people have assessed the Bibby/Zaza/Marvin extensions as good signings — which they were — but I think it’s important to realize that any of those dudes could have gone elsewhere for comparable money. That they all stayed suggests to me that they want to be in Atlanta, that they’ve bought into what the Hawks are and what they can be. So many guys in the NBA are out for self, and any of these guys could’ve been, but they wanted to be Hawks and did what it took to stay on the team. To me, that speaks not only to the kind of teammates they are but to what the Hawks have built. We have a real team now.” [more]
JOE AINT SHIZNAT. TRADE HIM FOR A CENTER AND GO PLACES. DONT WORRY ABOUT THE EXTENSION HE IS NOT A NUMBER 1 GUY AND NEVER WAS.
Ramon
October 22nd, 2009
11:42 pm
There’s no reason Teague should be able to start before the all star break (without injury) no matter how he plays. In my mind, it takes at least half of a season to prove you can play at a high level consistently. Smart coaches know that if you start a rookie, and he messes up, benching him will be the hardest thing to consider because of his confidence. Its better to start him 40 games too late than to start him 5 games too soon. And anyone who thinks Woody, in a contract year, isn’t going to go with the starting lineup that he knows can get him 50 games (this starting lineup can do that, would’ve done it previously except for injuries), then they must haven’t been paying attention. I have much confidence that Teague is going to be a special player. But he’s not ready yet, not for a playoff team.
cp
October 23rd, 2009
12:27 am
The free throw thing with Josh has to be all mental now. He really needs to get it together. We lost a few close games last year due to poor free throw shooting.
Najeh Davenpoop
October 23rd, 2009
2:48 am
Skeets made a few valid points, but I’m trying to wrap my head around how the Hawks can improve as a team but lose 4 games in the standings at the same time. I guess he’s trying to say Washington, Toronto, etc. have improved so much that they will take wins away from ATL? I doubt it.
Najeh Davenpoop
October 23rd, 2009
3:41 am
I don’t know whether this has been posted yet, but for those of you p!ssed off by Skeets, LZ Granderson of ESPN.com has a much more positive take on the Hawks (in fact I would say it’s maybe too positive).
My favorite line:
“A scout out West said, “Crawford will be like a black Ginobili. … He may not start, but you can be damn sure he’s gonna finish.”"
I’m gonna start calling him that… the Black Ginobili…
dap01
October 23rd, 2009
7:35 am
The Hawks improved in the backcour. The Hawks improved in the frontcourt. The Hawks have more depth. The Hawks young stars are more mature. The shooting should be improved. The penetration will be improved. The interior defense should be improved. The rebounding should be improved. The chemistry should be improved.
The Hawks can play with anyone. Forget about the top 3, the top 4 stuff. The Hawks can play with anyone. And with fresher and deeper team in the playoffs, I believe the Hawks will be on equal terms with any team that we face.
Hoops
October 23rd, 2009
8:02 am
dap01,
I believe you are FIRED UP about your Hawks!!!
dap01
October 23rd, 2009
8:36 am
Hoops: I am fired up. But really I was just trying to respond to the ESPN experts and those here who seem to indicate that we will never be any better than a 47 win, 2nd round playoff loser. That may be true, things go wrong, teams have bad luck.
I was trying to simply say, we have improved in EVERY area of our team. Last year we lost to a great Cleveland team while have 2-3 of our best players hurt and worn out. With any luck, we should be much better. Much better may mean we win 1-2 more games in the 2nd round and all of a sudden we are playing game 7 of the 2nd round instead of losing in game 5. And if in game 7, Jamal, Joe, Marvin, or Bibby get hot we could beat anybody.
Mychelfromatl
October 23rd, 2009
8:38 am
Back from my summer hibernation. Wow lol, there’s some interesting coversations going on in here.
Najeh, good look on that espn link.
doc
October 23rd, 2009
8:52 am
najeh long i have said it isnt who starts but who finishes games i am interested in. if tbg displaces bibby at the end of games then so be it. wouldnt be surprised at times to see both smiths in games at the end, unless marvin steps up his game or shows more of his rocks in these situations.
ILL-logical
October 23rd, 2009
9:08 am
” wouldnt be surprised at times to see both smiths in games at the end,”
Hmmm, had not thought of that combination-intriguing and very plausible.
Add Jamal and you have a line up you use if you are i down with a minute to go or 1 up with a minute to go.
KevinA
October 23rd, 2009
9:24 am
JJ had another great game. In 34 min he went 6-12, 6 reb, 8 assists with 14 pt’s. This is the kind of performance we need from Joe every night. Offense efficiency and assists mean more to the team than points on high volume.
Once again The Hawks featured the front court early and often giving the offence a balanced attack. Al, Josh and Joe Smith had good nights. Except for a few missed free throws, another great night for the Big’s.
JT had a rough night but the rest of the back court were very efficient.
Marvin and Evans combined for 20 pt’s on 6-9 shooting. Once again very efficient.
Miami was held to 38.6% shooting while posting a stellar 57.1%. The good shooting was needed because of the inability to hang on to the ball. 20 turnovers and Josh Smith’s free throw woe’s were the only thing that even kept Miami with in shouting distance. Miami’s poor shooting or Hawks good defense – I don’t know but you got to love the 38.6%
Tonight’s game on ESPN will be interesting. Only one preseason loss between the two teams. Look for ZaZa to get a lot of time against Howard. If the game is close I bet Woody will not have a problem burning the starters for a few extra minutes to get the win. Will Gundy do the same?
Can’t wait to see how JT handles Nelson. We will probably need closer to 30 assists and a drop in turnovers to beat this team. Do you hear me back court? Can Al and Josh score against Howard? Should be extremely entertaining. Go Hawks.
Ken Strickland
October 23rd, 2009
9:36 am
NIREMETAL-I owe you an apology for letting my emotions get the best of me and doing to you what I suggested you were doing to me, and that’s taking out your frustrations. Like you, I’m tired of the debate, which has resulted in nothing but a stalemate. We both like Bibby, I just like what Teague brings to the table more, period. It’s obvious you like Teague, you just like what Bibby brings to the table more.
Like SAUTEE suggested earlier, let’s remain civil and agree to disagree. We’re both going to root for the same team no matter who starts at PG. I don’t mind a good debate, and I don’t mind defending my position, but when the debate becomes uncomplimentary and turns personal, the fun and focus is then lost, which is what happened with us. I hold myself to blame for some of that.
You’ve been a regular for some time and have shown that your interest and focus is on discussing the team and exchanging ideas and opinions, not engaging in meaningless personal attacks just to get attention, like the blog trash that posts under various names. When all is said and done, we’re going to have a good season and surprise a lot of people.
DOC-your comment is well received. However, it seems that JChildress had an issue with not starting, even though he played starter mins and always finished the gm.
niremetal
October 23rd, 2009
9:39 am
Marvin hit one game-winning shot last November against the Wizards and one that would have been a game winner against the Celtics a few days earlier except Pierce hit that shot the other way 5 seconds later. I also remember he hit big shots or sank clutch free throws at the end of games against the Thunder, Bucks (after having a terrible game the rest of the way), and of course that game where he dropped 29 on Charlotte. At UNC, he hit big shots in a number of games (the most famous being the put-back against Duke) and always “finished” despite technically being the Sixth Man. So I don’t know where the idea that he needs to show more “rocks” in these situations comes from relative to his teammates. I could make the same argument about every other player on the Hawks except for Bibby.
KevinA
October 23rd, 2009
9:43 am
Bibby vrs JT vrs Crawford.
Bibby is the man and will continue to be the man. Does that mean he will play 35 minutes? I would guess closer to 20-25 minutes by the end of the year. It also may mean that he will end up being the 5th option instead of the second option. He will still be an important leader but in a more diminished role. Every game he will test to see if he is hot. When he is hot, you got to roll with the vet.
A lot depends on how well JT and Crawford play and fit in.. If Crawford can break down defenses and average 7-8 assists, he will be hard to keep off the floor. If JT can push the ball and attack the rim without to many turn overs – he will find playing time in every game.
I think the bigger question is JJ minutes.If JT, Crawford and Bibby all play well, will Joe play 30-35 minutes or 35-40. Remember it’s contract year and he will want to go to the all star game.
Melvin
October 23rd, 2009
9:50 am
Nire,
Then explain why Marvin was the odd man out to finished games when JChill and Flip was here? And he may be the odd man out again this year if JCrawford plays well alongside JJ.
I agree with Doc, it doesnt matter who start the games but who finish in my eyes. Most of the competitive players want to be on the court at the end of the games.
Melvin
October 23rd, 2009
9:53 am
Kevin,
“JJ had another great game. In 34 min he went 6-12, 6 reb, 8 assists with 14 pt’s. ”
I agree those are good numbers for JJ but I have a problem with him playing 34 mins in a preseason game. Add in the fact that he playe 34 mins in the first game of back to back games. JJ is a warrior but why play him for so many mins in a meaningless preseason game is beyond me.
niremetal
October 23rd, 2009
9:55 am
CThen explain why Marvin was the odd man out to finished games when JChill and Flip was here?
Chill was someone Woody was always comfortable with at the ends of games, even when he was a rookie (back then, Smoove sat at the end). But Flip? Re-check your memory banks, my friend. I challenge you to find me even 5 games last year where Flip was on the floor at the end of the game and Marvin wasn’t, except when Marvin was out injured.
niremetal
October 23rd, 2009
9:58 am
Well, correction – make that 4 games where the outcome was in doubt towards the end and Flip was on the floor without Marvin. Because in blowouts, Woody benched all the starters at the end.
Daniel
October 23rd, 2009
10:05 am
I have no idea where this conversation is going. It was about back up centers then it was about Bibby, then it was about JT0 and what we should expect. I am confused.
BTW- I find out today if I got the tickets. I will be on 790thezone at 5:00pm today. So check it out if you can.
niremetal
October 23rd, 2009
10:07 am
PS – My prediction is that depending on the matchup, we might see offensive/defensive substitutions for the first time this year at the ends of games. I only think I remember Woody doing that once or twice in the past (when Marvin was out, I seem to remember him doing Flip/Mo substitutions a couple times). But this year with Crawford on board, we might see Crawford/Marvin substitutions down to the wire. Who knows – we might even see Bibby/Marvin or Bibby/Teague substitutions at the ends of games. All I know is JJ, Horford, and Josh will finish all games, Bibby will always finish on offense, and Marvin will always finish on D. But given our versatility at the wing positions, we can afford to mix and match at the end depending on matchups. We’ll see if Woodson has a good enough tactical mind to take advantage of that…
fudd21
October 23rd, 2009
10:09 am
Melvin,
You’re right 2 years ago Chill did finish games instead of Marvin. I believe because Woody is a defensive minded coach and Chill was one of the better, if not best, perimeter defenders on our team while here. We all talked about Marvin’s poor defense up until last year so Woody wanted him out there.
Last year when Flip finished games it was usually Bibby he was replacing not Marvin. I do believe that JC will be on the floor to finish alot of games, but I don’t necessarily beleive Marvin will be the one he will be replacing. If Smoove keeps shooting 1 – 10 from the FT line he will be hard pressed to find a place on floor to finishe especially if we are trying to hold leads.
Melvin
October 23rd, 2009
10:12 am
Nire,
I will have to revisit this conversation at later time b/c Im on the work computer with limited sites access but the Orlando (and Miami)games early last season comes to mind at this moment.
Melvin
October 23rd, 2009
10:14 am
Nire,
Agreed with your 10:07 post.
Melvin
October 23rd, 2009
10:15 am
Fudd,
Good points as well.
Melvin
October 23rd, 2009
10:18 am
Im really not that concern with who finished or start as long as we get the Win. Unless its a preseason game and I could careless if we win or lose along as we finished the preseason without injuries…
niremetal
October 23rd, 2009
10:30 am
Melvin,
Marvin was suspended during the opening game against Orlando (and was in at the end of our only close game against Orlando, in January), and we never had a close game against Miami last season except the one at the very end of the year when Woody went with the lineup of Flip, Gardner, Mario, Othello, and Solo to finish. We didn’t have any early-season games against Miami at all (our first was on December 12 – we won by 14, and Woody benched all the starters with 1:42 left). In our first two close games of the year, against the Thunder and Celtics, Marvin not only finished but hit clutch shots.
I’ve checked about 15 games from last year, throughout the year. I can’t find a single game in which Flip finished and Marvin didn’t except in games that were blowouts and Marvin sat along with the rest of the starters and games in which Marvin was out injured.
According to 82games, Marvin actually had more “clutch” (5-point game, less than 5 minutes to go) minutes than Josh last year despite playing in 8 fewer games than Josh:
http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT2.HTM
Sorry, Melvin. You’re not remembering correctly. When Marvin was healthy last year, he finished.
niremetal
October 23rd, 2009
10:35 am
To clarify, Marvin played in 8 fewer games than Josh total last year, which you can see by checking any Yahoo/ESPN/NBA stat sheet for last year. But Marvin somehow played in 1 more game in which he played “clutch” minutes than Josh did, and got 6 more “clutch” minutes than Josh did over the course of the season.
None of this, of course, is to say that Josh didn’t or shouldn’t finish games – as I said, it’s a near-guarantee that JJ, Horford, and Josh will finish all games in which they are healthy. Just pointing out that Marvin didn’t play any less at the end of close games than the Hawks’ other starters.
niremetal
October 23rd, 2009
10:36 am
And now, off to work
doc
October 23rd, 2009
10:41 am
ken chills never got respect for what he did or certainly what he could mean to the team. he made the right choice in leaving. this is this year, let us see what woody has in store for us.
Melvin
October 23rd, 2009
10:47 am
Nire,
I will defer this one to you. I’m not going to argue against the stats (I meant data)…:)
newkid
October 23rd, 2009
10:59 am
Less than a week before tip-off and still no Astro Joe. Hope all is well. He’ll have some crow to eat relative to J-Cross.
vava74
October 23rd, 2009
11:24 am
The guy I respect the most in BBall journalism is Charlie Rosen (foxsports.com) and he usually puts the Hawks’ future success in J-Smoove’s shoulders.
I tend to agree with him and without being able to corroborate with an actual viewing of the match, looking at the play by play, the boxscore and the way the game unraveled yesterday we can extrapolate that J-Smoove had a kind of an off-day which could have cost us the game if we were playing for real.
1-10 from the line is atrocious and inexcusable, but I am also concerned with his 5 meager rebounds (ZERO offensive) and 3 TOs in 21.35min.
He did get 3 steals to go along with 1 block and 4-6 line from the field, but the Hawks let Magloire snatch 8 rebounds in 12 minutes and J-Smoove must have some responsibility there.
GeeMack
October 23rd, 2009
11:51 am
Good Luck Daniel I hope you get the tickets.
Hawks fan gotta a question….What do the Hawks need to do this season to be a dominate defensive team. At this point personnel is what it is. If we could get that nastiness defensively & on the boards. I think we a have chane to really push the big 3 in the east.
The game that really comes to mind when I think about a superior defensive mind set is the 1st game in Bos. last year. If we play defense and rebound like Woody designs it we could give teams fits.
What ya’ll think?
vava74
October 23rd, 2009
12:18 pm
GeeMack,
In line with my previous post, I believe that you are right and that, in my opinion, it all boils down to Josh.
He is definitely not suited to be an effective SF since his shot is suspect (to say the least) hence, instead of discussing that Al is an undersized C (ignoring that he puts up the numbers he should, for instance, in rebounding) the focus of the discussion must be on J-Smoove who has been clearly playing “too small” for what is required from him.
Our success will depend on many things, however, one of the most important will be Josh’s committing or not to rebounding and raising his average to at least 10rpg.
Our starting front court must average at least 27/28rpg, without this, we will not be successful.
Stating the Obvious
October 23rd, 2009
12:47 pm
“Our starting front court must average at least 27/28rpg, without this, we will not be successful.”
There isn’t a single team i nthe league that averages that
vava74
October 23rd, 2009
1:08 pm
Yeah, I went a bit overboard there!!!
What I meant to say is that we need that both J-Smoove and Al average around 10rpg and that Marvin can contribute with 6.
This will still give an average of around 25 which should lead the NBA, however, not only I think that this is achievable but also that it is a must for us.
Daniel
October 23rd, 2009
1:22 pm
Thanks Gee,
I know this isn’t the answer you want to hear, but I think it is the most accurate answer I can give. I think the key for this team to improve defensively is an overall team commitment to team defense. Starting with Bibby all the way down to Hunter. Josh does need to rebound more, but a swarming ball hawking defense is just as important. Steals are a must.
Good shots on offense will help the defense. No long shots that give long rebounds and fast break opportunities.
Man, If Josh can’t hit his free throws this year, we will be in trouble. Does someone actually get better at that when they have a rough time in the pre-season? This is the one aspect of the pre-season that I find troubling.
niremetal
October 23rd, 2009
1:25 pm
As I’ve said: Sports psychologist. Most guys have too much pride to use one, but sometimes it’s necessary. Josh’s issues at the line are just too manic to be physical or mechanical.
Antonio Bolton
October 23rd, 2009
1:46 pm
We need that big body inside and SIler has that. Tell me how they sliiped on that. IT was evident that we were missing beef on the inside when we played Cleveland even if he doesn’t score a point as teast he is that big body we need inside to keep peopel from just running around and going straight down the middle of our defense. We had a good year last year but that one was the one thing that needed to be addressed.