Hawks ready for business?

Joe Johnson and the Hawks are ready to battle DeShawn Stevenson and Washington the top spot in the Southeast Division this season.

Joe Johnson and the Hawks are ready to battle DeShawn Stevenson and Washington the top spot in the Southeast Division this season.

HAWKSVILLE – It’s a fair question to ask at this stage of the (pre)season.

And one the Hawks are more than ready to answer, Monday night, when the Washington Wizards come to town for the home preseason finale (the next time you see the Hawks on the floor at Philips Arena after this game will be for the regular season opener Oct. 28 against Indiana).

“I think everybody’s getting anxious for the real thing to start,” Josh Smith said. “It’s not just us. You sense it around the league, at least wherever we’ve been so far.”

The Hawks need the test that will be this game against the Wizards. Hawks coach Mike Woodson has already made it clear that the starter’s minutes will rise in these last three preseason games (all three against Southeast Division foes). 

“It’s time to buckle down a little bit and get really serious about what we’re doing,” he told me over the weekend. “We don’t have any time to waste.”

Whatever the Hawks accomplish this season begins and ends with the work they do in the division. One of the main factors in their rise up the ranks the past two seasons was the injury-driven fall of the Wizards, who have a healthier and retooled roster for Flip Saunders to work with this season.

“We’ve had some good battles with them over the years,” Smith said. “They used to be the team in the same spot we’ve been in the past couple of years in the division behind Orlando. There’s no question them Magic is the team we’re all chasing. So you have to start there and work your way up and that’s what we’ve done.”

Something tells me the Wizards (with Agent Zero, or whatever moniker Gilbert Arenas goes by these days, back to form) won’t accept their current fate willingly, which makes not only Monday night’s game but the Oct. 30 game extremely interesting viewing for all of us.

BIRDS OF A FEATHER

There was some serious bird bonding going on Sunday night at the Georgia Dome. Falcons were on the field. Hawks were in the stands. The nest was big enough for everybody.

As many as half of the players on the Hawks’ training camp roster were making plans to attend the Falcons-Bears game, including Hawks center Zaza Pachulia. ZP was apparently an American football virgin prior to the game. The proof came via Twitter, where he proclaimed: “I’m kind of emberrased to say this but first time in my life I’m going on football game tonight. Falcons vs Bears.I hope I will like it.”

Trust us Zaza, you will like it.

RA’S TAKE ON THINGS

There are few things in life more consistent than the rapid-fire vitriol of our good friend RA when he senses bias from the national punditry regarding his Hawks. He was on fire over the weekend. It seems our friends up north have dismissed his Hawks one too many times and he’s firing back. RA’s latest salvo:

“It was kinda funny.  ESPN, the [Mark] Bradley proclaimed world leader, was previewing the Sourtheastern division and they had three pictures of players on the website, from Orlando, Miami, and Washington.  Sekou!  When was the last time Washington made the playoffs again?  Remind me because I forget.  I also had the privilege of seeing the video interview that Tim Legler had talking about the Hawks.  He said that Atlanta was a second tier club.  That’s debatable, but he also said that there was such a huge gulf between them and the top three teams in the east that it’s impossible to rank them up there with them.  Well, that’s just hooey.  I’ve watched a lot of basketball Sekou, and I can tell you without reservation that the greatest strength of the “big three” is also their greatest weakness.  They all run through and for one player.  Just hear me out.  Orlando, Dwight Howard, need I say more?  Vince [Carter] might help with the scoring but the bottom-line is that if Dwight Howard went down, Orlando’s playoff chances would go right down with him.  Aside from that, they’re going to miss [Hedo] Turkoglu more than they realize.  Cleveland, Lebron James.  They might make the playoffs if he ever went down, but it’s not likely.  The guys on that team really need to start thinking beyond the LB era because once this year is over, he’s gone, and this is a league with a long memory.  All the showboating that they did and terrible sportsmanship, it’s coming back to them times three once their god leaves them (note I used a little g on that).  Which brings me to Boston.  Yeah, Boston lost Kevin Garnett and still made it to the second round of the playoffs, even with a sub par effort from Ray Allen.  Well, the wrong one got hurt.  If Paul Pierce had gotten hurt, Boston doesn’t make it out of round one.  Yeah, they’ve got the names, Allen, Garnett and [Rasheed] Wallace, but as far I’m concerned only one name matters in Boston, Pierce.  All of the big three have nice pieces, but that’s what they are, pieces to compliment one great player.  Atlanta has a team of very good players and they don’t have any one spot that you could point to and say, “well, if they have an injury there, it’s over.”  Now, don’t get me wrong, when the chips are down and it’s make or break, having that one great player is a big deal because you know he’s going to bring you home, but at the same time, in a league where “depth” is everything, having one player whose absence could make or break your team’s chances is a little bit….scary.”

OFFICIALLY SPEAKING

From the I-didn’t-know-this-existed-until-recently department comes this trusty link from our friends at NBA.com. It’s true. No one reads anymore. And why would they when you can watch the video? This is smart stuff.

Now if the league could just provide us with some virtual referees until the real stripes get their whistles back the world would be a better place.

WHAT’S HOT

Big Ray has been bringing heat on the Hawks Fans Nest on a regular basis. If you haven’t been over there you need to make a trip. Check out his latest delivery and weigh in with your own take.

121 comments Add your comment

Hawksfan

October 18th, 2009
10:37 pm

1st comment OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kwooden1

October 18th, 2009
10:37 pm

I might be first

doc

October 18th, 2009
10:45 pm

Mystikal

October 18th, 2009
10:48 pm

biljopal

October 18th, 2009
11:41 pm

What’s the good of being first if you don’t have something to say about the team?
I say, “good luck, Hawks. I hope you have a good season.”

Mystikal

October 18th, 2009
11:43 pm

I meant fourth, I think hawks do have a player to be reconed with in Joe Johnson, and with this now being a contract year, we should see as much. Beyond him though we have Jamal Crawford who could step in to shoulder the scoring load if armagedeon were to occur. Whereas Joe is a more efficient shooter, Jamal gets in the lane and to the line more. And even though Crawford is new to the equation, it will be easier for him to adapt then Washington or Orlando, whom have numerous new key pieces to there teams. Even with Boston and Cleveland you don’t know what you’re going to get with age/injuries and the Shaq project- part III.

A Tribe Called Quest

October 18th, 2009
11:51 pm

FIRE MIKE WOODSON

doc

October 19th, 2009
12:33 am

biljopal, dude it is preseason, saving up for the real games. besides i am a vet around these parts and it is a long season. stick around and say something relevant yourself instead of obnoxious and pale good luck stuff. what grade are you?

Big Ray

October 19th, 2009
12:38 am

I love when RA goes off. :)

My pick for Washington’s downward spiral is Antawn Jamison. He’s the only really steady force for the Wiz in the frontcourt. So far, Arenas is being a true team player, and that makes the Wiz dangerous.

Here’s the thing though: everybody keeps saying that we’ll be battling them for 4th place. That’s backwards. THEY will be battling US. We’re the “reigning” 4th place guys. They have to get back into the picture.

National pundits can say what they want.

rms

October 19th, 2009
12:40 am

go hawks!! yeah sekou good to hear you are still kicking!! Long time no hear…

ANT BANKS

October 19th, 2009
12:48 am

the hawks deserve to be “dissed” nationally! they suck on the road! winnin’12 games on the road like they did durin’ the 07-08 campaign and then winnin’ 16 games on the road durin’ the 08-09 campaign will not get you a lot of national fan fare.

winnin’ in a comfortable environment doesn’t say nothin’ about your team. we won 25 home games 2yrs ago and 31 last year. win 28 home games and then win 26 or 27 road games will get you more respect. if the hawks do this and follow it up with a strong 2nd rnd playoff appearance then maybe we will get the national fan fare. and this is comin’ from a hawks fan. DON’T GET PISSED AT THE MEDIA! DO SOMETHIN’ ABOUT IT AND THE RESPECT WILL COME

ANT BANKS

October 19th, 2009
12:51 am

TRIBE,

come on dude. wait til’ the end of dec to start that. we are battlin’ the media, the big 3 in the east. we gotta stick together. support woody til’ we start losin’. right now we don’t need that

bigdave

October 19th, 2009
1:20 am

saw ZaZa and Mo at the game tonight…

Z should get the best dressed Hawk award… dude is fresh… i knew is suit game was official, dress down game is swagged up too… good to see Z and Mo out in support of the city representing the Hawks…

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

October 19th, 2009
2:21 am

I feel they are ready for business, Woody will coach his butt off or get the heck outta dodge and he will exploit our strengths and depth night in and night out – GIVE JEFF TEAGUE MINUTES!
I think Bibby being there to mentor Jeff in the playoffs would go a long way in his development. I am really impressed with his quickness and ability to get to the rack. And Woody WILL play him (unlike what he did to Acie, Salim) b/c his job depends on it…Josh needs to work on his free throw shooting ASAP. If J smoove, Horford and Marvin continue their natural progression into rising young stars, JJ puts the team ahead of his personal goals and they stay healthy, The Hawks should give Orlando all they can handle in the South East Division.

KevinA

October 19th, 2009
3:41 am

A lot of good things have to happen for the Hawks to win 50-54. But thats my prediction, Why? We have hashed out al the warts. Without more injury than last year we are simply a better team. Enough said. Except for the folowing comments lol.

KevinA

October 19th, 2009
3:42 am

Daniel

October 19th, 2009
8:27 am

Great blog again Sekou.
I can’t wait for the season to start.
Guys, your boy is in the running to win season tickets to the Hawks. Myself and two other guys have to wear Hawks uniforms all week long. So check out the promotion on http://www.790thezone.com called “suit up for the Hawks” and vote. I am Daniel by the way pretty easy to figure out.

ILL-logical

October 19th, 2009
9:12 am

” Crawford has blown away anyone who has seen him work in practice, where his elite scoring and passing rivals that of Hawks’ captain and All-Star Joe Johnson.”

If the the Hawks are serious about not only retaining their spot -4th- in the playoff rankings AND possibly moving up , then some serious thought has to go into changing the current starting line up.

Now I know that I am on shaky ground here. It is clear to me that management’s goals- holding the line on expenses and possibly increasing revenue- are not the same as Woodson’s- get a new contract no matter what. And the only constant is that no one is talking about a championship this year.However, there is a growing line of thinking among the national media that the Hawks performance last season was more reflective of the injuries suffered by other division rivals rather than their innate ability.And there is some merit to that argument.

I believe that one way to address the challenge of this season is to insert Jamal into the starting line up at the point and have a one-two punch equal to any of our divsion rivals. Based upon Woodson’s “system” , Joe is really the point and Bibby the shooting gusrd. Jamal does every thing Bibby does plus he is a better deffender and can penetrate the defense better than anyone on the current roster.

The added bonus is that the second unit has Bibby a a guide and Bibby can point out things to Teague as they happen while sitting next to him.
Just something to consider as the season approaches. By December, this may warrent more discussion.

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
9:26 am

Daniel

October 19th, 2009
9:28 am

ILL- Interesting points. I am sure we will see both Joe and Jamal on the court at the same time some. But, having Jamal play the point hurts defensively(I know, I know Bibby is no great shakes there) You put more pressure on Joe to handle the ball, and I don’t like Bibby and Teague coming off the bench together. If Crawford plays like we hope, I can see him being a Manu-type for us, which has been deadly for the Spurs. I am not sure how the line up change you are suggesting is affected by the fianances though.

Daniel

October 19th, 2009
9:29 am

Also, I like Joe and Craword together as the 2 and 3, with Bibby at the one, when we want to go small and perimeter shooting.

Daniel

October 19th, 2009
9:33 am

nice link jerrywest.

GeeMack

October 19th, 2009
9:42 am

I’m glad RA got that off his chest. However it aint like the national media is lying. It’s true the Hawks have a solid team, but there is only one team in the NBA 60 year that won a champioship without a outstanding 1-2 punch (Shaq & Kobe, MJ & Scottie) or a Big 3 (Magic Kareem, & Worthy, Bird McHale & Parrish), and that’s most recent Piston Championshhip team.

I like the additions the Hawks made, and it should result in a winning season, but we are still no better than a 4th seed waiting to be bounced in the 2nd round by one of the big 3.

ILL-logical

October 19th, 2009
9:50 am

Thanks Daniel, I knew that there are sme strong feelings about the issue of changing the starting line up. In reference to your point about the small line up, I do not like Joe at the 3 for at least 2 reassons: First, that just gives Woodson and Joe another excuse to have him on the floor. I don’t believe that anything past 35 minutes a game helps the TEAM. Second, Joe is not athletic enough,IMHO, to play at the 3 for any length of time. 5 minutes with a three guard offense is probably all I could stand. LOL!

Melvin

October 19th, 2009
10:15 am

Daniel,

I just voted for you. Good luck.

doc

October 19th, 2009
10:23 am

ill, jj was at the three a lot more than you think and very effective. go to 82games for the stats you need before you jump to conclusions on that one. you dont remember when he, bibby and flip were on the court for extended minutes?

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
10:47 am

Enter your comments here

Mz. Hawkdafied

October 19th, 2009
10:48 am

RA was on a roll. I was with him until he said Paul Pierce was the only name that mattered. I’m gonna have to go with KG on that one. Just because Paul Pierce was with the team during the playoffs that just past when they barely got pass the Bulls. Paul Pierce was on the team before KG and Ray Allen arrived and he didn’t get that ring until he got help from Ray and KG. The man on the Celtics team is KG not Paul Pierce. KG is a future hall of famer, former MVP and DPOY. You guys talk about JJ not being a superstar and only being an allstar. Well Paul Pierce is on the same level with JJ (all star status).

Good luck on the season tickets Daniel!

Ken Strickland

October 19th, 2009
10:52 am

ILLOGICAL-you’d better believe there are some strong feelings about changing the starting lineup. Just go back and look at the debate that started up when I suggested we replace Bibby with Teague as the starting PG.

But, despite any suggestions of replacing any starters, or whether it makes perfect sense or not, there’s no way in hell Woodson’s going to replace one of his favorite veteran players with a younger player, especially Bibby. It’s beyond belief to think he’d do it under normal circumstances, but with his head coaching career on the line, THERE’S ABSOLUTELY NO WAY IT WILL HAPPEN.

I’d like to see 4-5MPG taken off each of our starters last yrs totals. Those 20-25mins could be redistributed among our bench players. Crawford would get Flips mins, Teague would get Acie’s 10MPG, plus an additional 12-15MPG(22-25MPG), Evans and Zaza would get their regular MPG and Joe Smith would get Solo’s 10MPG plus an additional 5MPG(15MPG). That would give a serious 10 man rotation with 15MPG being the least amount of mins given.

There’s no way fatigue would be a factor at the end of the season or during the playoffs with that rotation and MPG. Each of the 10 players would get enough consistent mins to be effective and make an impact. A bench rotation of SG JCrawford, PG JTeague, C ZPachulia, PF JSmith and SF MEvans could put a lot of pressure on a lot of starting lineups in this league. That rotation will allow us to maintain 4qtrs of none stop pressure on both ends of the court. We should own the 4th quarters of most gms.

I see the individual improvement of our returning players(ORGANIC GROWTH) and the added depth, experience and talent to our bench, along with better coaching, resulting in at least 3 additonal home wins and 3 additional road wins. With the improvement of the Celtics, Orlando and Hawks, I don’t see how Cleveland can repeat another 66 win season. Besides, Orlando exposed their total inability to stop the pick and roll, and Shaq only makes that Achilles heal worse.

The addition of VCarter, at best, will only serve to replace what Orlando lost with the departure of HTurkgolu and CLee. Getting top production out of Vince will require a remake of their entire OFF approach and both Vince and Dwight will have to make some major adjustments. They improved considerably on paper, but how will it translate to the court. Neither team will see any noticable internal improvement(organic growth).

For the 1st time since Bibby’s arrival, we have a viable replacement for him, and won’t have to automatically go down to defeat when his jumpshot isn’t falling. Even with Bibby being a nonfactor, and with a limited bench and experience, we gave the Celtics, who were at their best, a hell of a run in our 7gm series in the 07-08 playoffs. This yr, we won’t have to automatically go down just because Bibby or JJ are playing poorly because we now have JTeague and JCrawford, the 1st viable replacements we’ve ever had for either. The additions of Joe Smith and JCollins gives us the experience, especially playoff experience, versatility, size and depth off the bench that we’ve never had before.

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
11:03 am

Crawford is a terrible defender against big and strong shooting guards, but he is an adequate defender against most point guards and weak shooting guards. Bibby is an adequate defender against old point guards only.

I like Bibby to start the season just for the sake of continuity, however, there is nothing Bibby can do to stop Crawford from taking his minutes away.

Offensively, Crawford is, I think,

75% JJ +
20% Flip +
5% Allen Iverson.

Defensively, he is Reggie Miller trying to play a power forward.

GeeMack

October 19th, 2009
11:11 am

ILL-logical & Daniel,

How about this starting line up Bibby, JJ Jsmoove, Al, & Collins. This addresses our most glaring need defense, and rebounding. Out of 32 teams last year 22 were better rebounding teams.

That means Marvin goes to the bench and JSmoove goes to the 3 and Al goes to the 4 spot. These are their natural positions.

JustSayIt

October 19th, 2009
11:14 am

I just have to say it. I read, follow, the hawks daily from ajc, espn, hawks.com, inside hoops, etc. If it’s about the hawks I’ll read it. But I have never posted before now. I just have to say it. Why the hawks,though I am a fan, never gets mentioned as an elite, among the big three comes down to a set of numbers (12-29 and 16-29). What are these numbers? The hawks road record for the last 2 years. The 3 teams in the Eastern Conference the last to years Boston (31-10, 27-14), Orlando (27-14, 27-14), Detroit (25-16, ‘07 Season), Cleveland (27-14, 08′ Season). As much as I love the hawks, until they have a winning record on the road they will not be considered nationally as a championship contender. Sekou I am far more interested in how you think the hawks will far on the road than if they can beat an elite team on any given night or knock of one in a playoff series. Eventually champions are made on the road.

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
11:21 am

Daniel

Bibby+ Crawford + JJ + Josh+ Al will be the smallest lineup in the NBA. One of the smallest in 20 years. Smaller than some college teams. Defensive disaster. Bibby guarding point guards and Crawford guarding shooting guards will be the worst defensive backcourt in the history of NBA.

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
11:23 am

GeeMack – good post. Don’t be a stranger.

Daniel

October 19th, 2009
11:24 am

Thanks Melvin!!!

I would not want to start that line up, but just use it in game situation.

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
11:24 am

I meant to JustSayIt. I totally disagree with GeeMack on putting Josh at small forward. He just can’t shoot. Period.

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
11:27 am

I see Crawford+JJ+Marvin+Josh+Al as a killer lineup. We are big in 3 positions. Let Crawford handle the ball and station JJ and Marvin outside the 3, preferably at the corners. When they double team JC to stop his unstoppable penetration, we’ll have JJ and Marvin completely open for unmolested 3s. I can see Teague in that role once he ditches his diapers.

GeeMack

October 19th, 2009
11:33 am

Ken

I think you maybe over thinking the Vince trade. Vince is a 10 year vet. Veteran have easier times adjusting to new surrounding than younger players. The Hawks have alot more potential for chemistry problems than Orl. Keep in mind our top offensive option is in a contract year and wants to prove he is worth another big contract. Also Marvin just signed a nice contract and wants to prove he is worth the investment.

Your are correct. We have experienced “organic growth”. Love that term by the way. However all the guys we are chasing got deeper and better. Bos: Daniels, Big Baby, Sheed, Scalabrini & House, Cle: Moon, West, Big Z, & Gibson. Shaq & Parker starter. Orl: Barnes, JWill, Petirus, Gortat, & Bass. Washington. Miller & Foye.

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
11:33 am

Among the main players of the top 4 teams in the East, only JJ, Pierce, Allen, Bibby and Lewis take little risks that could get them injured.

niremetal

October 19th, 2009
11:35 am

Sorry, but Crawford has not played most of his minutes at PG during his career, and he has never ever shown himself to be an effective PG. As with Teague, he needs to show he can handle the point before we start shoving Bibby down in the pecking order.

GeeMack

October 19th, 2009
11:35 am

JustSayIt

Great post.

Daniel

October 19th, 2009
11:53 am

I agree with you GeeMack to an extent. (BTW- JustSayIt good post, glad you are here)
However, Did you honestly think that Orlando was elite at the begining of last season? On paper the Hawks look to be a solid #4 again, even with improvements. However, sometimes a team does rise up. Not to sound to cheesy.
I disagree that Joe being in a contract year will hurt chemistry. All-Star players during a contract year is a good thing.

Nire- agree with you on Bibby. His demise is greatly exaggerated. JT0 will be helpful at 10-15 min a game with a change of pace. C’mon guys he is a rookie. It is unfair for us to expect too much from the kid.

ILL-logical

October 19th, 2009
12:11 pm

Glad I can spur some quality discussion in reference to possible starting lineup changes. Again, I refere to the quote from sekou’s story about Jamal Crawford’s ability to shoot and PASS being equal to Joe’s. Joe is the distributor of the ball in the current offense-Bibby just brings the ball up the court.

The point is that as a veteran, Jamal has the skills and savvy that Bibby brought to the table with the addition of being able to drive and dish. He is taller and quicker than Bibby and has shown the ability to handle the defensive end of the point quard position as well. This a key component of my arguement because one of the many challenges that i see in Al playing the 5 is the added responsibility of compensating for Bibby’s lack of defense.It is a burden to have to guard his man plus try to stop Bibby’s man from getting to the rim on a regular and continious basis.

Which brings me to another point of contention; how about starting Collins at the 5 and giving him 20 minutes there ? He is a very solid defender, especially with the pick and roll as well as having the size and heft to bang with the big boys.
I hear clearly the voices that describe-quite accurately,IMO, Woodson’s relutance to alter his goal of getting a new contract by changing the current line up. But the reality is that there are a growing number of observers who are beginning to see that there are alternatives to his point of view that will alow his goal and the team and fans goals to coincide. Maybe ,just maybe circumstances will permit a teachable moment that does not involve a personnel action in the near future.

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
12:18 pm

Most of us have a pretty good idea about how our defense will be. We are about to make a quantum leap in our offense under a pilot who doesn’t know how to fly.

Can’t wait to see Crawford play next to JJ. Both of them require double teaming. I don’t see any defense in the NBA that can cool this combo. Someone will always be open.

Two assassins who pass so well and require double teaming!!! I can’t wait for the season to start so that I can tell so many people – “I told you so”.

The part I hated was first Orlando took Bass from Dallas and then they kept Gortat. Also, they picked up an outside shooting power forward stud named Anderson in the Carter trade. Also, Boston matching Big Baby makes them so much deeper.

These luxury tax paying teams keep doing the extra thing that we just don’t do. Even Stackhouse at minimum is too much for us.

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
12:22 pm

Illogical – Great post at 12:11. However, starting Collins would be a little too creative and would mess up the team chemistry all together. I think Collins will be a very important part of the rotation when we play physical teams with big centers. The guy guards Shaq better than just about anybody.

Mz. Hawkdafied

October 19th, 2009
12:25 pm

JustSayIt provides a good point “road record”. The Hawks are still a work in progress on the road. That’s why I was tripping off the preseason road loss to Detroit. Plain and simple our team struggles on the road. Contenders win on the road regardless of the hostile crowd. Contenders also have weaknesses. One of the Hawks’ weaknesses “road record” stand out alot. I don’t know if this can be attributed to their offensive plan, coach, the players, etc., whatever.

Okay thanks JustSayit for helping me understand why the Hawks are getting no love as of yet from the media, makes sense from that point of view. “road record”, got it.

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
12:30 pm

Forget about starting line-up.

With 15 seconds to go and we are down 1 point and with the ball, what lineup do you send in?

Crawford
JJ
Marvin
Joe Smith (For Joe’s mid range accuracy & guile, and Josh’s free throw problems)
Horford (Clutch rebounder and finisher)

With 15 seconds to go and we are up 1 point and defending, what lineup do you send in?

Mario West
JJ
Marvin
Josh
Collins (Horford against small centers)

What’s yours?

GeeMack

October 19th, 2009
12:31 pm

Daniel,

We all know had KG been healthy we would have seen a Bos vs. LA rematch. Also the Magic have something the Hawks didn’t have last year and don’t have this year. The most dominate big man in the league. Period!

My point concerning chemistry issue is because we frequently point out the potential for issues with Orl. because of the VC traded.

We have just as much potential because our players are young. These guys are still carving out their way in the league.

All,

I keep hearing JTeague name like he is automatic. I think with what I have seen he will be a good player, but he is still a rookie PG and most rookie PG’s not picked in the top 10 struggle the 1st year. Whatever he gives us is a bonus, but he should not be counted on to produce his first year.

MannyT

October 19th, 2009
1:19 pm

Not first!

How is this for an alternative view…I hope the Hawks are NOT ready!

Not wishing any ill will on the home team, but I am recognizing that:

-Several of the players are new to the team.

-The new, veteran big men need time to get their legs under them.

-The influx of experienced talent needs to find its collective comfort zone while playing together.

-Woody needs to figure out how to best use the right guys in the proper situations to have a consistent advantage.

All this is addition to the entire league adjusting to the refs that would only get into arenas with tickets before the lockout. Good call Mr. 13579. The charities that get the fine money are looking forward to significant increases from NBA contributions.

Once the Hawks are actually ready, I expect to see a very nice run–like a month with a 80%+ winning rate.

For your friend RA, he needs to remember that the NBA markets personalities more than winning. Aside from Josh, most folks see this team as more Spurs like in personality. There is no controversy with the coach and they stay out of trouble. However, when you win enough, you get some quiet respect…compare our TV schedule to the rest of this century.

I won’t take it personally that the mass media wants to dismiss the Hawks. I’ll just enjoy it all the more when the string of wins come.

BWAF

Mis placed press - hummmmmm

October 19th, 2009
1:20 pm

Hawks headlines »

Falcons’ veteran linebacker finds groove
Scanning a stat sheet for tangible evidence of Mike Peterson’s impact on the Falcons’ defense this season won’t turn up his most valuable contribution.

Isnt this the hawks page??

I MUS WRITE

October 19th, 2009
1:22 pm

Thank You Gee Mack- Teague is talented no doubt, but he should be allowed to gain sum experience and build chemistry with his new teamates,before we hand him the keys to the porsche.

I think he should get about 20 minutes a game.

Line ups i would like to see

Crawford,JJ,Marvin,Smoove,Horford

Teague,Crawford,JJ,Horford,Collins

I MUS WRITE

October 19th, 2009
1:23 pm

allowed time

BLIND MELLON JELLY

October 19th, 2009
1:36 pm

I want my daddy’s records

GeeMack

October 19th, 2009
3:17 pm

Here are my top tens teams in the league this year

1. Lakers
2. Boston
3. San Antonio
4. Clevland
5. Orlando
6. Denver
7. Portland
8. Dallas
9. Utah
10. Atlanta
I based this on last season and the off season moves each team made

cody

October 19th, 2009
3:24 pm

i can’t 2 see you 2nite sekeo

Daniel

October 19th, 2009
4:37 pm

GeeMack- My man- c’mon let’s get a little optimism. The Hawks are clearly better than Portland, Dallas and Utah.

Mz. Hawkdafied

October 19th, 2009
5:03 pm

Is Dwight the most dominate big man in the league right now? I wouldn’t say that quite yet. Besides he could have been sipping on some of that juice that Rashard was on last season. I’m a little sore about that. Cause out of nowhere the Magic just came out of nowhere. Kinda like the Patriots coach cheating. Fudge what the paper says, I want the Magic to go down this year. I want to see the Hawks gunning for that number one spot (fair and square not juiced up).

DW

October 19th, 2009
5:14 pm

Got to throw a comment in here because it seems like everyone is wanting to put Bibby on the bench and replace him with Crawford in the starting lineup on the basis that Crawford “is just as good as JJ” at distributing the ball.

He might be just as good as JJ as an assist man–we’ll see–but remember the Woody/BKnight experiment of running JJ at the point and not really having a true point guard? Gee, that worked out well. (Not.)

The Hawks were basically still clueless until Bibby came along and showed what a real point guard can do. He doesn’t just walk the ball up the court, he sets up the plays, gets the guys in order, and provides leadership. He doesn’t have the greatest assist numbers, but then– if Woody didn’t always run Iso-Joe, would Joe have as many assists from his kick-outs? I doubt it.

So, PLEASE can the talk about going with no true PG in the starting lineup. Doesn’t work.

Mz. Hawkdafied

October 19th, 2009
5:28 pm

lol @ the Falcons story on the Hawks page. Didn’t know Sekou covered the dirty birds too. Peterson be doing his thang on defense. Defense had us fans scared in the preseason. But they are looking better now. How the heck did the Saints beat the Giants, they can’t be that good. All the Giants had to do was help put a check in the loss column for the Saints.

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
5:31 pm

With the economy in tank, Sekou is diversifying his portfolio.

ANT BANKS

October 19th, 2009
5:41 pm

MZ HAWKDAFIED AND JUSTSAYIT,

i said the same things about the hawks road woes as why they get no national love in my 12:48 a.m. post. GREAT MINDS THINK A LIKE.

i still like the hawks chances against washington and orlando. they have some chemistry issues to deal with. washington will be a “new” team again this year wit’ gilbert back in the line up and orlando will def be a new team with hedo gone and with reshard missin’ the first 10 games of the season due to suspension. also vinsanity will add a new wrinkle to that team.

you know how when your mother in law stays with you for a week, she changes the dynamics of the house. that is the way i see orlando and washington in the beginnin’ of the season

ANT BANKS

October 19th, 2009
5:43 pm

GEE MACK,

you are a genius!! i don’t think that anyone else have that as their top 10. lol

ANT BANKS

October 19th, 2009
5:57 pm

IS ANYONE SPONSORIN’ A FANTASY B-BALL LEAGUE THAT I CAN BE A PART OF?

ANT BANKS

October 19th, 2009
7:29 pm

marvin has 9pts in the 1st qtr. lookin’ good

ANT BANKS

October 19th, 2009
7:35 pm

KEN,

i am startin’ to reevaluate your position on startin’ teague. he brings a serious spark to the team.

ANT BANKS

October 19th, 2009
7:37 pm

“HELLO!! ANYBODY HOME??” (sound of echo)

i feel like i am the only one here. “sigh!” (sound of a closing door.)

ANT BANKS

October 19th, 2009
7:40 pm

caron butler ballin’ outta control. i wish that we had him. 12pts 17min

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
7:42 pm

Teague hit a floater, a half court buzzer beater and a long jump shot. He is on today.

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
7:54 pm

There is a completely different electricity when Teague is in the game.

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
7:58 pm

We are scaring the $hit out of Flip Saunders.

ANT BANKS

October 19th, 2009
8:02 pm

JERRY WEST,

do you think that we should start teague ova bibby? KEN has been advocatin’ it. i second guessed it, but am reconsiderin’ it.

ANT BANKS

October 19th, 2009
8:03 pm

J-SMOOVE still cryin’ like a b*tch when they call a foul on him.

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
8:20 pm

I am sure that eventually Crawford and/or Teague will make it hard for Woody to keep Bibby as a starter. However, there is no way Bibby should start the season on the bench. Woody understands it clearly.

One word: Continuity.

Remember, championship teams like the Rockets started veteran Kenny Smith and ended the games with rookie Sam Cassell. Kenny Smith was an all star that year. Pistons started with veteran Rick Mahorn, but closed with youngster Dennis Rodman. Its not who starts. Its who finishes.

ANT BANKS

October 19th, 2009
8:26 pm

JW,
you are right, especially wit’ woody’s job on the line. he is goin’ to play the best player.

ANT BANKS

October 19th, 2009
8:31 pm

hawks are shootin’ 55% from the field and 85% ft. if they do this all year they will be hard to stop!! and if they can get 44-48 rebounds per night OOOOHHHH WEEE!!

KevinA

October 19th, 2009
8:38 pm

Imaging that, the back court featured the front court and they have responded. Great first half. Already over 20 assists. Fun stuff.

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
8:40 pm

Again JT0 makes a dazzling penetration – ally-oop to Al Horford dunk. It will be hard to keep JT0 out.

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
8:41 pm

Woody left Josh and Al to play with Teague and Jamal. Fun stuffs.

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
8:48 pm

In the last 5 minutes of 3rd quarter, Wizards had 3 25-foot 3 pointers and 3 points from foul shots. Nice defense overall.

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
8:50 pm

Sekou,

Collins hobbled out. Is he OK?

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
8:56 pm

Its time to understand that Randolph Morris is SUNK COST. No use crying for non-existent talent. When we count 13 players, we shouldn’t count him. He won’t give us nothing.

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
9:00 pm

Crawford and Teague playing well together.

ANT BANKS

October 19th, 2009
9:02 pm

jt-money will be startin’ by the end of november. sorry bibby,we love what you did for us, but the future is now

ANT BANKS

October 19th, 2009
9:06 pm

JJ, BIBBY, JTMONEY, AND CRAWFORD ARE COMBINED FOR 19 ASSISTS!!! WOW!! IT WILL BE HARD TO BE US WITH THESE STATS

bigdave

October 19th, 2009
9:08 pm

are yall watching the game?

ANT BANKS

October 19th, 2009
9:12 pm

BIG DAVE,

read the last 30 entries. lol

ANT BANKS

October 19th, 2009
9:18 pm

hawks have 28 assists!! 57%from the field, 80% ft, and 13 to and 60% from 3pt!! wow!! i know this is jus’ preseason but still…

Melvin

October 19th, 2009
9:37 pm

Well, I think we have seen the last of Mike Wilks and C.Sims in a Hawks uniform for this season…

Lou Dobbs gets a smackdown

October 19th, 2009
9:48 pm

Hahaha

Dude am a native american not a mexican.

And I dont blame rich people( can you show me when I said that.) I just blame racist white people for killing my people and for stealing my land.

truly1

October 19th, 2009
9:50 pm

Great win now I waiting to see this team on the road thurs and fri I wish thursdays game was on tv I am excited hopefully Jcollins is ok.

truly1

October 19th, 2009
9:51 pm

I guess he still is not in shape(jcollins)

KevinA

October 19th, 2009
10:00 pm

Very impressed with the 9 assists from Crawford. If he continues to dish like that he will be very important to the Hawks success. You could tell Woody had talked to the team about getting Al more attempts. Al kicked butt. What a game Marvin had, 6-7, 16 pt’s and 6 rebounds. Both Josh and JJJJJjohnson were very efficient as well. And of course JT (Just To) hot,quick,money,sweet – played great. I loved the comment from one of the announcers – JT has Parker like moves and he will be hard to keep off the rim. He also continues to draw those fouls.

Even with the second unit the hawks continued to go low to the big fellers. Impressive.

Now lets go do this on the road.

Sekou Smith

October 19th, 2009
10:03 pm

Collins rolled his ankle a bit. Woody said they’ll know more in the next couple of days. Not sure how serious it is.

Fun game tonight, even if Agent Zero had to beg out because of flu symptoms.

KevinA

October 19th, 2009
10:03 pm

Great couple of awesome dunks from Marvin and Josh from tonights game on NBA.com

truly1

October 19th, 2009
10:10 pm

I hope crawford keeps this up so we can talk to the new york and warrior haters who thought he was a cancer on the blog and thought it was a bad trade for us. But I have to wait for the season to make my point about crawford being an upgrade over flip.

bigdave

October 19th, 2009
10:13 pm

“are yall (watching) the game”

meaning, was it televised? streamed…?

MsDee

October 19th, 2009
10:21 pm

This may be a dumb question but do any one know what BA stands for in the boxscore?

Big Ray

October 19th, 2009
10:23 pm

Agent Zero or not, that was a beat down of sorts. Agent Zero doesn’t change our field goal percentage or rebounding advantage.

And how about Crawford with 9 assists? Heh.

Big Ray

October 19th, 2009
10:24 pm

BA= blocked attempts, I think

MsDee

October 19th, 2009
10:31 pm

thats what I thought til I saw someone on the Wizards with 1 BS but 0 BA..

MsDee

October 19th, 2009
10:32 pm

unless block attempt is not the same as having a BS

Melvin

October 19th, 2009
10:35 pm

Big Ray,

You are going form at the mouth with another game and another GT0 highlight package. The kid just make plays..

http://www.nba.com/video/games/hawks/2009/10/19/0010900085_was_atl_recap.nba/

Melvin

October 19th, 2009
10:39 pm

*I meant JT0 = Jeff Teague…..

RaJaH

October 19th, 2009
10:47 pm

Legend
+/-:Team net points while player is in game, TO:Turnovers, PF:Personal Fouls, BS:Blocked Shots, BA:Blocks Against

MsDee

October 19th, 2009
10:53 pm

oh..ok thx RaJah

jerrywest

October 19th, 2009
10:58 pm

BA= Block Against. when you shot gets blocked.

Ken Strickland

October 20th, 2009
12:24 am

ANT BANKS-welcome to the club. I see JTeague bringing the same type of energy, dynamics and versatility to the Hawks starting lineup that CPaul and TParker bring to their respective teams. Yes, Bibby is savy, has experience and a winning clutch attitude, but he doesn’t have the ability to change the dynamics or tempo of a gm and he doesn’t make the players around him significantly better by breaking down DEF’s and creating easy scoring opportunities for them.

Bibby can be stopped by a single defender, which we saw witnessed in the playoff series against Boston. It would take a team effort to consistently contain the speed, quickness and penetrating ability of Teague the way Boston contained Bibby. Can you imagine a team trying to consistently double teaming JJ, like they consistently do with Bibby as our starting PG, while trying to contain Teague in a 4 on 3 situation?

Teague won’t make it difficult for Woodson to keep him out of the starting lineup, but he will make it difficult for him to explain why he won’t give it serious consideration. Woodson is too old school, especially when it comes to PG’s, and he’s not about to put his coaching future in the hands of a rookie PG as long as Bibby is healthy enough to play. Teague will most likely get the JChildress 6th man treatment. As far as this season is concerned, he’s more interested in getting a contract extension than getting the Hawks to the next level, although both would be acceptable. That focus will likely come after he gets his extension.

Ken Strickland

October 20th, 2009
12:44 am

Oh, if you watched the highlights you’ll notice Teague can throw alley oop passes as well as Bibby. THIS YRS HAWKS ARE GOING TO BE A LOT BETTER THAN A LOT OF YOU THINK. We’re going to see noticable improvement in Horford, Smoove and Marvin, Teague will add a dimension to the PG position that’s been missing and Joe Smith will bring an added dimension to the PF position.

I watched part of the Orlando/Chicago gm and Vince wasn’t very effective. Teams have automatically collapsed their DEF to contain

DHoward’s inside presence, which will make it more difficult for Vince to make his patented drives down the lane and force him to become more of an outside scoring threat, which isn’t his strength. Washington isn’t going to be a problem for us, but we’re definitely going to be a problem for Orlando.

vava74

October 20th, 2009
3:07 am

Ooooh my Goood… we are going to rock this year…

JT0 is moooooney!!!! But don’t count out Bibby just yet either.

We may have the best NBA PG rotation in the making right now people… talk about complementary characteristics…

vava74

October 20th, 2009
3:08 am

#2 seed anyone??

GeeMack

October 20th, 2009
10:44 am

Ant Banks

Thanks for the compliment. I’ve been told I was a genius.

Ken & Ant Banks

I gotta say JT-0 is the truth. Ken I agree he gives us something we don’t have, however at this point I gotta see if he can do this against starter talent verses guys trying to make a team in preseason.

Bibby is the man right now but I like the idea of him starting at some point during the season.

Ken, Ant Banks, Daniel, & vava74

If JJ walks next summer and Marvin gets to 20ppg. What do you all think about moving Marvin to SG Smoove to SF & Al to PF and spent that money on a center?

Sautee

October 20th, 2009
11:02 am

Before we hand the reins to Teague, consider that when Bibby got here, our turnovers went DOWN by almost 2 per game. That’s 2 extra possessions for the other team which in a tight game could easily mean the difference.

Bibby is a defensive liability, no doubt, but he DOES take care of the ball.

Ken Strickland

October 20th, 2009
1:40 pm

GEEMACK-JCrawford was brought in as a possible replacement in case JJ walks. Therefore, there won’t be any need to move Marvin to a different position. We’ll only have to replace what Crawford will bring off our bench this yr. To be honest, Crawford brings an added dimension that even JJ doesn’t bring. While JJ is a better defender and is more offensively consistent, Crawford is a more dynamic scorer, with the ability to penetrate without pounding the ball looking for an opening like JJ does. With Crawford and Teague as our starting guards, there won’t be any uncertainty about us being a fastbreak or uptempo OFF, and there won’t be any double teaming either. I’d venture to say we’d become the NBA’s most exciting team to watch. We’d be a bigger, faster, quicker more versatile and athletic version of the Suns, before the failed Shaq experiment, that actually plays good DEF.

However, I still want us to resign JJ. I would also like to see us go all out next yr to try and resign JChildress. If we can pull those 2 feats off, we’d have all of the elements of a championship calibur team, assuming Woodson can handle this much talent and versatility.

I’ve been attacked in the past and called a HOMER because I saw the positives in this team and the potential from the growth of our young guns, and I was right because we’ve improved each yr as a result? I’ve also been called a HATER because I’ve consistently made an issue of the flaws in Woodson as a HC, and the fact Sund wouldn’t offer him an extention after such a successful season says a lot. I’ve recently been questioned about my belief that we’d be much better with Teague as our starting PG than Bibby, as well as the idea of ORGANIC GROWTH, or the individual improvement of our young guns, having a much greater impact of our team than adding players like Shaq, Sheed or Vince will have on the top 3 Eastern seeds.

I’m not afraid of being wrong, but I’ll be damned if I’ll back down from what I believe just because someone else can’t see what I see or is afraid of change or of making change. We’re going to be a damn good team this yr. In fact, we’re going to be the most improved team in the East because of the additions of Crawford, Teague and Joe Smith to our bench, as well as the discounted idea of ORGANIC GROWTH, which no other team in the East will be able to match.

Adding new starters to your team often means nothing more than an offset of what was lost. Can Carter and Bass replace what former starters CLee, HTurkolu and RAlston brought to the team? Even if they do, it doesn’t necessarily make them better, just not any worse. Can Shaq make Cleveland noticably better, or can he even replace what Ilgoudkas provided as a starter. I have to admit, their bench has definitely been improved. With the additions of Crawford, Teague and Joe Smith, along with our organic growth, we’ve definitely erased most, if not all, of the gap that Boston’s had over us the last 2yrs.

While I’m not convinced we’re on Cleveland’s level at this point, because of their improved bench, I definitely believe we’re on the same level with Boston and Orlando and much better than any other team in the East.

inquiring mind

October 20th, 2009
3:51 pm

Ken, when its time to replace crawford, why dont we see if flip is available. He can score. Hs’s unselfish. He will cost millions less than Crawford.

Sautee

October 20th, 2009
4:22 pm

Ken S,

I’m SURE that you remember how much I thought Acie was under utilized last year.

That said, I see a LOT more in Teague than Acie showed. And I LOVE the idea of him being “good enough” to start.

However, even though he’s having a pretty good preseason with a decent A / TO ratio (2.27 / 1) he IS still turning it over at a rate higher than Bibby.

Last year Bibby was at 3.08 / 1.

I get your point about the way he’d make us play faster, and I agree. But if it comes with TOO many turnovers, it’ll make our D more vulnerable as often TO’s lead to fast break points for the opposition.

I also realize that to some degree you are “wishing” for him to become special (don’t we all?), but it’ll take something major for Woody to not start Bibby.

All of that to say that unless Teague can play at or near Bibby’s A / TO ratio, we’re likely better off with him coming of the bench, IMHO.

KevinA

October 20th, 2009
5:05 pm

I like to keep the box score while listening to the game. last night I noticed that most of our guards had more assists than shot attempts for much of the game. This is the kind of ball movement and unselfish play that leads to big wins.

Ray, I’ll take the poke in the eye with a grin. But who was to know Crawford would dish out 9 assists. We all look at past and comments from numbers to get a feel for what kind of a player a new addition is. I certainly had not looked at anything that would prepare me for Crawford’s performance.

I will glean a satisfaction from seeing the Hawks play great by spreading the ball around. The front court had one more attempt than the back court. 32/31 with the swing men putting up 14 shots. Great balance.

Ken Strickland

October 20th, 2009
5:14 pm

SAUTEE-isn’t Teague doing just about everything at a higher rate than Bibby, especially scoring and creating much easier scoring opportunities for everyone else? Any team or player that consistently runs and attacks the basket is bound to have more turnovers, as well as scoring opportunities. They’re also more likely to draw more fowls and shoot more FT’s. Don’t you think Bibby’s ability to limit his turnovers is directly related to his limited penetration, interior passing and unwillingness/inability to generate easy scoring opportunities for others? Don’t you think limiting turnovers is an extremely thin reason for not replacing him in the starting lineup with Teague?

So far, Teague has measured up and/or passed every test presented to him so far, yet certain fans want to create imaginary or extremely weak excuses for not starting him. I love Bibby and how he’s managed to remain productive despite his many limitations, but this team can’t move forward if they have to continue making so many sacrifices to accomodate his limitations. He was exactly what we needed when he arrived a yr and a half ago, but it’s time for us to extend our appreciation for what he provided during that period and accept that Teague is now the new and improved Bibby of the 2008/10 season.

Bibby doesn’t stop teams from successfully doubling/tripling JJ. They are successfully using pick and rolls to take advantage of his limited speed, quickness, athleticism and lateral movement to create mismatches. It became so much of an issue Woodson had to resort to a switching DEF in order to limit the damage. As a result of the switch both the overall team and individual DEF of Horford and Smoove, our 2 best shotblockers and interior defenders, has suffered.

The Hawks aren’t going to get better, let alone get to the next level, until we stop depending on/starting an aging PG with limited speed, quickness, penetrating ability and DEF ability. REMEMBER, A CHAIN IS NO STRONGER THAN ITS WEAKEST LINK. Isn’t it odd to see teams that were obviously better than we were last yr add new players to their starting lineup and their bench in an attempt to improve, while the Hawks are willing to improve our bench, but not our starting lineup. WHERE’S THE LOGIC?

Ken Strickland

October 20th, 2009
5:27 pm

SAUTEE-I was right with you on the Acie saga, and like you, I see a whole lot more in Teague, which is why I want to see him start sooner rather than later. Even though Teague has more speed, quickness, penetrating ability, athleticism and versatility than Bibby, even when he was in his prime, some want to keep him on the bench because of what isn’t known with any degree of certainty. Yet, they want Bibby to remain the starting PG despite what is known for certain, and that’s no breaking down DEF’s, no penetrating and creating easy shots for others, no D and no preventing teams from consistently doubling/tripling JJ.

IT’S NOT WE HAVE TO CUT BIBBY OR GIVE UP THE POSITIVES HE BRINGS TO THE TEAM IF WE START TEAGUE. WHAT’S THE PROBLEM?

Sautee

October 20th, 2009
7:45 pm

Ken,

You said: “Don’t you think limiting turnovers is an extremely thin reason for not replacing him in the starting lineup with Teague? ”

Depends TOTALLY on HOW many TOs Teague were to make vs. Bibby.

Here’s what I said:

“All of that to say that unless Teague can play at or near Bibby’s A / TO ratio, we’re likely better off with him coming of the bench, IMHO.”

MEANING that IF Teague can play at or near Bibby’s A / TO ratio then I’m ok with him starting.

Any less, and I think he’s be better off the bench. And I ALSO added IMHO.

Ken Strickland

October 20th, 2009
11:39 pm

SAUTEE-it’s obvious you’re a big MBibby fan, as am I, but not to the extent that you and Woodson seem to be. I still think your A/TO ratio argument is very weak justification, at best, for keeping him as our starting PG. Consider the following:

MPG APG TOPG TOP48mins AST/TO ratio

MBIBBY 34.6 5.0 1.6 2.2 3.06

DWILLIAMS 36.8 10.7 3.4 4.4 3.18

CPAUL 38.5 11.0 3.0 3.7 3.73

TPARKER 34.1 6.9 2.6 3.6 2.67

CBILLUPS 35.5 6.4 2.2 3.0 2.86

SNASH 33.6 9.7 3.4 4.8 2.89

The fact that Bibby has such a low TOPG is reflected in his low assist rate compared to the others. That’s because he takes very few chances and doesn’t create many scoring opportunities for others. You made the following statements: “DEPENDS TOTALLY ON HOW MANY TURNOVERS TEAGUE WERE TO MAKE VS BIBBY”, and “ALL OF THAT TO SAY THAT UNLESS TEAGUE CAN PLAY AT OR NEAR BIBBY’S A/TO RATIO, WE’RE LIKELY BETTER OFF WITH HIM COMING OFF THE BENCH, IMHO”. Well, since every player on this list has considerably more TO’s than Bibby, are you saying you’d start him ahead of all of them? Or, since both CPaul and DWilliams have higher A/TO ratios than Bibby, are you saying a team would be better off starting Bibby ahead of either of them as well?

LIKE I SAID, YOUR ARGUMENT IS EXTREMELY WEAK AT BEST.

Sautee

October 21st, 2009
10:24 am

Ken,

I’ll agree to disagree. I clearly added IMHO, meaning exactly that. I’m sorry if my opinion makes you doubt your side of the argument or threatens you in some way. Frankly, I’m surprised. You usually allow plenty of give-and-take, but somehow I’ve pushed your hot button.

Before Bibby got here we lost WAY too many games with late turnovers that gave opponents extra chances to score. That was the MOST notable difference when he arrived.

The reason I used A / TO ratio is that it shows a point guards’ efficiency. I TOTALLY agree that some of Bibby’s efficiency is because he takes fewer chances. I’d say that up til now that’s EXACTLY what a young team needed.
And Bibby WILL have to rachet it up a notch JUST BECAUSE TEAGUE WILL PUSH HIM.

If Teague shows that he has the talents to play like CP3 and Deron, ok fine start him. But there is a reason that he wasn’t a top 5 pick like they were.

Don’t get me wrong, Ken, I LOVE what I’ve seen of this kid, but I’ll stand by my statement. I don’t care if you think my argument is weak. I can handle that.

By the way, my use of the ratio was not the be-all-end-all of my point (which you made it out to be). I wasn’t defending the use of Bibby relative to ANY PG, just for THIS team, which is all we have to deal with. Therefore, despite the obvious fact that I’d rank Bibby behind at LEAST a dozen other point guards, his ratio shows that on THIS team, he takes care of the ball better than others that we have.

We can disagree. But I’ll err on the side of FEWER turnovers every time.