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Sekou, would that ‘NBA All-Star turned pundit these days’ happen to be Steve Smith? That comment sounds like something he would say.

I look for Marvin to have a big year with continued growth and help the Hawks reach 50 wins this year. If he can consistently hit the shot after the kick out from whoever is driving to the basket, it will really put a lot of pressure on the opposition.

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Whats with that arc in Marvin’s back?? If he get that straight maybe he can put up some consistent numbers and stay healthy.

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Props to Daniel for actually coming up with JT0. I just harassed people about it more .

And until Sekou can find a way to embed it in the post, here’s the pictorial representation of JT0:
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/4303/littlejt0fkla.jpg

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ANY STREAMS FOR THE GAME TONIGHT?

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Vava,

To the other blog post:

If you trade poorly of course you’re going to do poorly. That goes without saying. My point is that championship rosters (re: starting lineups) are infused with talent, not “organically grown”. The games in late june speak to that. Current Hawks squad has played together countless hours already, they should know their strengths and weaknesses. “Another year” should not add that much to their understanding- or ours.

RISE UP

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I think Sweet Tea-gue is the perfect name for Jeff. His game is sweet. He is in the south. Just seems natural to me.

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^^
Unbelievable. Tyler was a man, playing amongst boys, so to speak.

In the same vein, up to somewhat recently, Marvin’s situation could be viewed as a boy, playing with grown men. Understandable why he’s been somewhat deferential.

This year he will probalby feel much more comfortable with his situation and “take the reigns”. Just takes some longer than others.

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Fellas, too soon on a nickname for “Jeffrey Demarco Teague”? The best ones are earned in some capacity. Would we (or maybe just me) have called Duck “Duck” without actually seeing the waddle in action? Isn’t Smoov so much more rewarding, or ironic depending on view point, given his game? Horford does not have one because he hasn’t “earned” one through anecdote. Joe neither, though silent assassin is cool I guess. Or am I missing the point in just wanting to assign a “text speak” handle for blog purposes?

RISE UP

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Well, web video. But still pretty awesome.

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Dang. That J-Smoove commercial was just too funny.

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On that note, I’m leavin’ the scene, I don’t wanna have to write this report….

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lmao josh cant act

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like the video but it was horrible acting…huge josh fan so relax

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It was supposed to be funny. It was. What’s the big deal?

Hey, we’re playing Memphis tonight, right?

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anybody have the audio for the game?

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Sekou, your reply had me ROTFLOL… Now that we are past that, was it Smitty?

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Who are the next two Hawks to get cut?

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o_0…

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WTH? I’m just tuning into the game. Hawks scored 71pts in the 1st half. Mo Evans 21pts in the 1st half. My gosh…

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Mo Evans with 21 pts. Wow!

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How many assists will JT0 get? I think he’s at 4 now if I’m reading the stats correctly.

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J-Quick not playing too hot. Gottastp his game up….

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The Hawks are in heat check mode right now. Gotta get back hot.

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nba.com has 1st half highlights.

MARIO HIT A 3 PT SHOT!

I think crazed flying monkeys are coming next.

BWAF

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Juan Dixon may be a tougher cut than many have expected….

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Well Woody does love guards who don’t know when to stop shooting…

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I’m not as down on Dixon as many of y’all seem to be… he has been a pretty decent scoring guard off the bench throughout his career. But on a team like the Hawks who are loaded at the guard positions, there’s really not much room for him. An energy guy like Mario makes more sense as the 5th guard than Dixon. I’d rather see that roster spot go to keeping both Siler and Sims.

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Najeh

Im not too impressed with Siler but its still early but man what if Sims turns out to be a baller.

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I’m sorry…what exactly has Sims done to be impressive? Those last two posts are the first times I’ve heard his name mentioned in a positive light since camp got going.

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I’m gonna go with yes. SalimFan, Ariose, Jin Rummy, Peeved…dude’s gotta stop going chameleon on us

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niremental

Check out his work from the game. Yes I know its preseason but people post about Siler just based on his size yet he hasnt really produced anything. All Im saying is I wont mind seeing Sims coming off the bench providing depth for us.

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Courtney Sims, C 12 4-6 0-0 4-4 2 3 0 0 2 2 0 +6 12

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Truth

Hands down Mo gets the game ball, would like to see some consistency from him during the season.

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hawks_4_life

Definitely agree with that. Perhaps that is my biggest knock on him is consistency. Yoda would say: A streaky shooter he is.

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That being said, you can’t tell much at all from the video clips either. This is, after all, the preseason. This is a point I’ve made before, but it’s worth repeating that the odds of any of these undrafted free agents becoming rotation players is remote – and “remote” is being quite kind. And you can check out our training camp rosters from past years if you don’t believe me. Nothing ever became of Cedric Bozeman or Andreas Glyniadakis. In fact, the only undrafted invitee from past Hawks training camps who I can think of that ever became a rotation player is…wait for it…

Mike Wilks.

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(And even with Wilks, to describe him as a “rotation player” is to be VERY generous)

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With guys like Sims, Silar and ‘Rio, we really need a 15 player roster. We have had it before. I do not want a Sims, Silar or/and Othello to “Blow up” with another team because we kept JSmith and Jason Collins. Both of the latter will not be on this team next season.

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Alright, let me lay out a bit more starkly the odds of any one of these guys “blowing up” on us if we cut them. I’ve managed to cull together what I think is a comprehensive list of every Hawks undrafted rookie or second-year training camp invitee from 2000 onward. As you’ll see, not one of them has come back to bite us in the ass for cutting them:

I managed to find everything from 2005 onward just by Googling “atlanta hawks training camp roster [year]” and then I Googled all the players except the ones who I knew had been drafted. I reconstructed the rest by looking at who we signed and/or waived in August-October from the below link and then Googling the players:
http://www.nba.com/hawks/news/Hawks_Transactions_Archive.html

2000
Dan Cross
Michael Hawkins
Stephen Howard (? – can’t figure out if he was drafted)
Rick Hughes

2001
(None, it seems – we had veteran FAs Ivano Newbill, Ira Newble, and Pepe Sanchez and second round draftees like Scoonie Penn, but not undrafted free agents)

2002
Maurice Carter
Fred House
Paul Shirley
Mike Wilks
George Williams

2003
Tierre Brown
Randy Holcomb

2004
Reggie Butler
Jeff Myers
Saddi Washington

2005
Esteban Batista
John Edwards
Anthony Grundy
Ajani Williams

2006
Cedric Bozeman
Andre Brown
(Actually, Matt Freije, Lionel Chalmers, and Andreas Glyniadakis were drafted, so they weren’t technically UFAs)

2007
Antywane Robinson
Steven Smith
Jamaal Tatum
Mario West

2008
Thomas Gardner
Marcus Hubbard
Othello Hunter
Frank Robinson

So…why do we need to fill up all 15 roster spots to sign these guys again? Why wouldn’t leave 1 or 2 of those spots open in case we’re hit by a rash of injuries and have to go out a find someone who can fill in right away? That happens all the time in the NBA. That’s why it makes no sense to burn our last 2 roster spots on guys who are far more likely to never see an NBA floor than they are to become a rotation player.

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nire, you make a good arguement.
An Othello and a Mario are good,healthy, young players with abilities and promise. JSmith and Jason Collins Probaly will not be Hawks in 2011.
If not 15 perhaps 14 helps my mind. Also Juan Dixon is the type guy that seasons the bench too.
Nire, who makes the team(from the invitee’s)

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I would keep Dixon over Mario. Other than this energy people keep bringing up, Mario does little else. Dixon can handle the rock and knock down the J. Simms had his first good game. If I had to guess right now who would make the team it would be Hunter and Dixon. Siler hasn’t shown anything and Mario had one decent game and that’s about it.

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I believe we would know more about Marvin if JJ and Bibby would include him in the offense.Josh has to steal his touches,but Marvin just waits to see if it comes his way.I am waiting to see this year if it’s still a guard show or if the Bigs are included this year.I believe with Teague and maybe Crawford playing more,Marvin,Josh,and Al will be more than rebounders and stand arounds this year.Time will tell and I remember how Marvin played when JJ was hurt and how he became a ghost when JJ returned.

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what do you mean? the offense is all about mike woodson. jj never does anything wrong he is a perfect player and does everything right. it is all mike woodson fault. everybody knows that.

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Excellent point JJ. Perhaps Teague and Crawford will help spread the offense. With more people involved and improving, the Hawks can become a special team. With more of iso Joe, we will not improve.

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How bout J T Glue for a nickname for Jeff Teague, since he might very well be the glue of our team in the future and is much closer to his name. J TeaGlue! That’s my vote. Run it by him Seoku. If it sticks, you heard it here…LOL. Tell the Hawks I’ll see them in the front row of the UC as always when they come to Chi Town. Hawks Foreva!

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Sekou

Good article. Marvin is who he is. He’s a very good defender & ok scorer. I don’t think he’s the franchise player the Hawks were expecting when they drafted him # 2 five years ago. He is a good number 3 option on a championship team. I would love to see Marvin become a prolific scorer, but that doesn’t seem to be his mind set. I thinks he’s comfortable with his current role.

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I am just teasing Sekou. But, I secretly(maybe not so secretly) really want to get mentioned in the blog! It is an ego thing I know, but if I just let it out on the blog, then I don’t have as much at home.

Sekou, I guess I am using your blog as therapy.

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Sekou doesn’t read his blog carefully. Daniel gave the name GT-0.

Woody needs to get some fines by criticizing the replacement refs. He needs to get on the good side of the real refs. They’ll remember his support when they get back.

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Jeff Teague is having a great preseason campaign. JT seems to be just to quick, to quick for opponents trying to guard him. Some may want to OOOHHHH the kid after a display, but my mind is saying – Dammmmm that was “Just To. JT for short.

Just To much
Just To quick
Just To good
Just To fast
Just To fine

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I am sold: JT0 has game!

The kid has excellent touch around the rim and looks a lot better passer than he was supposed to be…

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what about JT Money!!

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rms,

Hard to hate money.

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…..Just too quick?

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More season Previews of other squads:

http://www.nba.com/preview2009/

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Daniel and Nire,

FYI… I used to own a ‘65 GTO. Believe me it was faster than Teague.

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Mixed my metaphors there…etched in stone or written in blood. Take your pick

Sautee – yeah, but I bet JT0 can shift gears more smoothly

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Every game Josh goes 0-0 from three point land, Dunkin Donuts will donate 100 donuts to the homeless shelter in downtown.

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Dixon is still trash….

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Speedy GonTEAGUEz?

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Didn’t even see that, Melvin. In any case, I’ll point out to Ray (and you and everyone else) that I didn’t bring up stats at all. I just listed all our training camp players to show that we probably will have no reason to cry if and when we cut the undrafted young FAs at this camp (ie Hunter, Siler, Sims, West, and the now-departed Miles and Robinson). Not one of those guys on that list has had an NBA career that anyone will remember ten years from now, and the most successful among them have been Wilks and Mario.

I’m just sayin…there’s a reason these guys went undrafted and went into training camp without a contract.

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Jerry West…

i said the same thing when i saw the highlights last night… though it was a miss.. his positioning was good and it was a quick assertive move… step through and good trajectory on the shot…

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Too late, Ariose. I already beat you to it – I emailed him this morning

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Love the Smoove commercial. They didn’t have to put his free throw percentage up there though when he put his hand on the sensor, haha. I still want to see some focus and energy from him this year. I’m sure that commercial was good for his ego..

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Could we hire Simms as an assistant coach to teach Horford his post moves?

Could we hire West as an assistant coach if he doesn’t make it in the NBA? Just to have him in practice will help the team.

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I have the nickname for our rookie point guard: Jeff “Big League” Teague! Why?! Because his game is MAJOR!! Yeah!!

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Yeah. I actually would not say Sims’s move was fluid in the least. And I frankly don’t know what clip you’re watching if you think it was. He bumped off his man and the hook shot was a line drive that didn’t have a chance of going in. I hope you were being sarcastic if you call that “fluid,” because Horford, Smoove, and Zaza all make more fluid post moves than that.

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Sims and either Mario or Hunter would be my picks to round out the roster. Mario just makes sense- as a 5th guard we need a shut down specialist-attack dawg type player, not a guy looking or shots like Juan Dixon.

I think Hunter is getting better by the minute -i like the wrinkles he has put in his game. hard decision between him and Mario

Look at our centers Al,ZaZa,Morris,Collins……. Al/ZAZA are set at starter and backup. Morris is a classic underaceiver-I dont think he will be much of a factor this year. Collins is a situational big used for D mostly. I would keep Sims and use him and Collins as our 3rd center depending on the matchups. Collins for guys like Shaq and Sims for the Nazi Muhammads,Okafor types.

I just like Sims motor….13 points in 11 minutes is okay- The guy avg 20/10 last year which should translate into about 8/7 in 14 minutes a game.
Ive seen more skill and heart from Sims in 3 weeks than ive seen from Morris in 2 years.
O wait Sims was D League MVP and had good numbers but he has to be a bum ….He was’nt drafted so no way he will ever be anything F__k Outta here!!!!

In some rare situations I could see JC,JJ,Marvin,Smoove,Horford,Sims doing some damage.

Sekou’s Secret Spy is none other than Lorenzen Popcorn Wright…..

“Sweet Teague”…. Come on man this is Atlanta -I dont think Teague wants a nickname with sweet on the front…..think about it

GTO JTO……wow Lets let the kid get his feet wet and actually do sumthing when the lights come on before we annoint the him or start throwing around nicknames.

Dam our second unit is potent….With all the additions i kindqa forgot about MO….. Teague,JC,Mo,Joe.Smith,ZAZA,Sims

O yeah im in the house opening night -Swaggn in the club level……..Letz git it HAWKS!!!!

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Taks Smoove outta that line up……

Mash was a beast pre knee injury, I think marvin should pattern his game after Mash….. If Marvin gets his handle right watch out

O …He might need a lil courage from the wizard- or maybe the wizard is giving out agressiveness these days

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JJJJJ-QUIKKKK sounds a whole lot better if Ryan Cameron says it in the game instead of JT-0..

Also about Marvin, I think Marvin said it best himself when he said “he needs to figure out how to play that well at all times”. That can only happen if and only if he is coming off the bench with the 2nd unit so he will then be ‘THE MAN’ instead of the 1st unit when JJ is ‘THE MAN’. That is why he was picked soo high in the draft b/c he was coming off the bench in college putting up mad stats!! Some people are better bench players than starter. I say let Jamal start since that’s better suited for him and let Marvin come in later. The starting line-up..Bibby, Jamal, JJ, JSmoove, & AL..2nd unit= J-Quik, Jamal, Marvin, Joe Smith, Zaza..with Mo Evans next to replace someone..what to ya thk?

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Sekou, I don’t think Woody is given the credit he deserves for being a good teacher for some young players. But could you tell us is he a good teacher for the other coaches also? The way Walsh teaching his staff lead to so many successful coaches, and the Dungy era has lead to a Superbowl, and wonderful coaches. Do you see any of those qualities in Woody? Or is he more like a dictator with the staff?

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Co-sign Ramon’s 2:12

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I am with Ramon on that one Mz. Dee, especially since you don’t like my nickname idea.
IMUS- I’ll be there too. Dude, I agree with you on Randolph 100%, problem is that he is going to make the team because he is already under contract. So basically you get to choose only one Hunter, Mario, Sims or Siler.

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Daniel,

Oh I like your nickname idea, just dont think Ryan C will do it any justice during game time.

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Lol@ Sekou,

Dixon=Ewwwwww!!!

The replacement refs should be great for OUR SQUAD sice we attack the rim so much…..teams like Boston are going to hate it though. Maybe JJ can finally get some decent calls around here. Besides, didn’t the OLD REFS cost Mike Bibby a title in 2001?

*Ryan Cameron Voice* J-Smooove!!!!!………From J-Quick!!!!!!

…cop that….

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Interesting idea, our second unit would have almost the same salary as our first unit.
I think Marvin is going to step up his game this year. I really do. If he just drives the basket 5-8 more times a game and continue his same outside shot and defense, could really make a big difference.

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The ball goes from JT0 to JJ to JCrow to JSmithsonian to JSmoove for a monster jam.

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Why not use them both..

JT-0 when he makes a great pass and J-Quik when he uses his speed to drive to the basket..yes??…yes??

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MsDee I understand what you are saying. But please realize I think this year, Marvin will become the best perimeter defender we have. If Marvin getting more production off the bench helps Marvin’s stats but hurts the team overall objective, then you’re taking 2 steps back. Marvin may be a valuable scorer off the bench, but he still wouldn’t be a better scorer than Crawford. It would hurt the team for the starters to scorer 45 points, but give up 46. And right now from deep, Marvin has a better stroke than Crawford or Evans, that’s why he is needed in the starting line up. Because he’s a better spot up shooter, but not a better creator. I believe the strength of a 6th man should be to be able to create coast to coast if needed. Spurs have that in Manu, Dallas in Terry, LA in Odom, and Chicago had it in Kukoc, just to name a few.

If you remember when Karl went to Denver, the main thing he changed about Melo’s game was he told Melo to make a move soon as he gets the pass. He told him to either move, or swing it back. I think if JJ applied this same principal on offense, it would open up Marvin to be able to score more and give him even more open looks on court. Marvin not being a 6 man, doesn’t mean he can’t benefit when JJ goes to the bench. Usually Marvin is the first to go out. So when the second wave of substitution comes in, Marvin coming back in for JJ would still give him an opportunity to create. Last season, Marvin received quite a few minutes on the court, when JJ was on the sideline in the 2nd quarters.

Another thing, I feel you need Marvin in the game to continue the cohesiveness. Because at the end of the game, there’s no way he can not be in the game. The ending lineup should often be JC, JJ, Marvin, Smoove, and Horford.

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Ramon,

What difference would it make if Marvin has a better stroke than those other 2 if he rarely uses it if JJ is on the floor hitting his 3’s & making his runners in the lane? Also Marvin does create his own shots by driving to the basket while making the basket & drawing fouls (something that JJ rarely does, drawing fouls that is) Marvin wouldnt get that many opportunites if he and JJ are in the game b/c Woody wants the ball in JJ hands.

Also I hear your point about JJ if and that’s a BIG IF he applies that to his game with the comparison of Melo cause if he doesnt, Marvin is in the same situation.

Oh and its not who starts the game, its who finishes it..Marvin should definely be at the end of the games!!

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Ramon,

“Another thing, I feel you need Marvin in the game to continue the cohesiveness. Because at the end of the game, there’s no way he can not be in the game. The ending lineup should often be JC, JJ, Marvin, Smoove, and Horford.”

He has not been in the game at the end of the games alot. Last year before he was hurt, Woodson would still put Flip in the game at the end of games for Marvin because we needed another scorer in the game. When Chills was here Marvin would start the game, but the majority of the time Chills would be in the game at the end of the game. My opinion is the same thing will happen this year with Crawford. You will need Crawford in the game at crunch time to keep teams from just focusing on JJ, and leaving others open. Teams don’t gameplan for Marvin.

MsDee,

“What difference would it make if Marvin has a better stroke than those other 2 if he rarely uses it if JJ is on the floor hitting his 3’s & making his runners in the lane?”

Exactly!!! Marvin does not want the ball in crunch time. That is not something you can teach. You either have it or you don’t.

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I think that MW will evolve more and more to the style of Bill Bradley. But to do that this team will need to change its offensive concepts and JJ will have to let go of holding it and looking for “a best option.”

MW’s best game is finding his way to space from which he can hurt you, and doing it, or giving it up; he is a great potential creator of space by his ability to see a move or two ahead and clear out strategically.

His game will be mostly catch and shoot, maybe put it on the floor once or twice, and shoot to give it up. In the Triangle, he’d he super.

The style I mentioned will give him his best chance at staying healthy. Marvin should be guarding 2s, not 3s, certainly not LeBron or Kobe. That should be JJ’s job. Marvin’s body will not hold up to guarding star 3s. His length and ability to move laterally will present problems for 2s who depend on making defenders come forward to defend the 3-ball to beat them off the dribble. Marvin can give space and still guard the 3-ball.

The key for Marvin is to develop and maintain a style that will keep him on the court, that is, minimize the likelihood of injury.

The back thing could well be a function of the style he has developed for organizing himself when he plays, which has an oddity to it–his back is very erect, perpendicular to the floor, supported on thighs that are bent deeply and are more parallel to the floor, at least that is how I picture him when I see him defending on the ball or driving the basket. That seems to be a position that he is habbituated to; whether that is a product or cause of his back troubles who could tell. Maybe me, but they’d have to pay me. Later, boyz.

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I don’t care about Mario either darnit, but if Dixon makes this squad somebody in that front office will hear from me. Anyway, he wont make the squad sice Craw and JJ can run the point as well….only one player gets the spot this season…my money’s on Mr. Energy not Mr. TRASH….

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Since everyone wants so credit toward Teague nickname. Well, what about some Blog love for me. I was the one who first suggested that Teague needed a nickname. Check the archives. I’m the one who started the nickname debate and this is the thanks I get? No Blog Love for the Originator….

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Ramon,

Ok I hear you and what you say may be true, but again what good is that if Marvin himself doesnt see himself with big stats on a regular? JJ has the ball most of the time and when he does pass it, u are right, there is only 3-5 sec left on shot clock but its not Marvin receiving the ball, its Josh.. If Marvin is in the game when he is the main focus, he then becomes the go-to guy AND he performs. And we should not necessarily view too much negativity on Jamal Crawford and his defense liblities since he has never played on a team that really cared much about defense. He is now with a coach who speaks, sleeps, thinks, eat defense at all times, therefore, his focus on defense may be a whole lot better than his pass games. Lets wait until at least he plays a preseason game to judge his defensive skills. (that 1st preseason game doesnt count since he played all but 8 min while hurt)

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MsDee if JC was a younger player I would agree with you on the defense. But Woody ’speaking, sleeping, thinking, and eating’ defense hasn’t affected Bibby’s matador defense (lol). I find it hard to see it affecting JC’s as well. But you may be right. I just feel at this moment Marvin’s defense is more valuable to this team, than his offense. This teams need a perimeter shut down guy more than they need a 20 point scorer. This team can’t get out in the running floor without defensive stops. And I think long term, it would hurt the team more to take Marvin out of the line up, even when talking about seasons past this present one. If Marvin can only produce when he thinks he’s ‘the man’, then we need to get Dr. Phil, the Medicine Woman, or someone on line 1 right now lol. To me averaging 16 ppg while playing 32 minutes of good defense is better than Marvin averaging 18 ppg and only getting 23 minutes of good defense.

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im not a master at judging the “tenseness” in a release of a hook but it looked good to me…

i wouldnt say that it was a “line drive” attempt either, he missed because he had too much on it, unless he was trying to bank it home.. other than that, looked like a parabola…

nor did he “bump off his man”… he showed a strong flash, gave a target… made a step through move (could be confused with bumping off his man) ELEVATED OVER HIS DEFENDER (could have caused the miss) and got his shot up. see, his step through moved allowed Sims to create himself space for a hook attempt. if the defender did not back off he would have bumped Sims for a possible shot and foul.

i was impressed b/c the move was … he was also in control and not falling all off balance like the moves ive seen from our other low post player(s). he got a good look off and it was on line.

for a line drive hook… see Mutombo later years… by the way GET WELL DIKE… that ruptured tendon is taking a toll on the big fella…

the bigger issue here it that our low post offense has gotten bleak that we have given attention to something as suttle as a singular move in the pre-season.. but hey.. these are the times…

http://www.nba.com/video/games/grizzlies/2009/10/15/0010900056_atl_mem_recap2.nba/index.html?ls=gt1hp0010900056

0:54 for “the move” and miss…

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Ramon,

Ohh now I know you just didnt compare Bibby to Crawford now..lol..Bibby is so not Crawford plus Bibby is much older. Crawford wants to be on a playoff team, now that its happened, who knows what he would do on defense!!

Marvin can still be able to play tough defense early in the games. He could sub for JJ pretty early in games since Woody did say he would give JJ more rest this time around, allowing Marvin to still be able to guard the opponents best guy. Plus Mo Evans plays pretty good defense, I just dont think by Marvin coming off the bench will make a Huge set-backs in games.

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tjhook_76544,
Funk music? Did you mean Soul music (i.e. Godfather of Soul). Your nickname sounds good but it may be too lengthy. JTO or J-Quik maybe more feasible for Ryan C to say during the games…

JerryWest,
“The ball goes from JT0 to JJ to JCrow to JSmithsonian to JSmoove for a monster jam”

While J-Chill is watching from the stands….dah..

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Dis blog not interesting! Call Jeff Teague what you want. Light bulb, ask Jeff Teague what he’d like to be called. Traditionally the Philips Arena is empty. Talk about a tradition that needs to be changed.

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How about:

J Crabby- Jamal Crawford
J No League- Jeff Teague
J Shoke-Joe Johnson
J Wish He Was Smoove- Josh Smith
J Sucks- Josh Childress

J Losers- The Atlanta Hawks

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Perry Mason- Im yawwwwning man. D League MVP doesnt really mean much other than he was the “BEST PLAYER IN THE WHOLE DAM LEAGUE” that means guards,forwards and big men. Im looking at the numbers/size more so -20/10 could easily be 8pts/5-7 rebs if given minutes-… Solo,Blow Wright,and Shellhead wouldnt give you that type productivity

Bouboeau the rookie from France is a nice player….Alot of teams will be sorry they passed on him and JTO??? Jquick??? or whatever his new nicname is.
But for the luv of god – no “Sweet Teague”
Call the radio station????….Come on man…. and say what? “Hi my name is Salim fan,I mean Ariose and i want jeff’s new name to be JTO” …

SECURITY!!!!

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if jj stops dribbling & holding on to the ball so much all of our players will be better

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How about:

Yo Dummy–Yo Mamma

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Flip out for remainder of preseason:
http://www.nba.com/bobcats/release_murray_091014.html

Not good to see that happen to a good former Hawk…hopefully he’ll bounce back.

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JT $….

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Ahhhhmm Yeah……… What Ken Said, u need a column,or maybe officer friendly will let you borrow his highliter……..Good points -JJJJJ Joe Johnson for Threeeeee!!!….I dont think much will change,but hopefully we wont have go thru another season of ISO Joe and Bibby fire’n away from deep.If so i’ll probably be saying the same thing my uncle says ” You have got’z to be bull shytn- how many times are they going to run the same dam play”

I hope Josh stays away from the deep ball this year. Cringe in my seat every time he takes a shot

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No flames, Ray. I’m used to being caricatured as someone who can see no wrong in JJ and see no right in Josh, but you know neither is true.

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“Sweet Teague”… hahaha you know Bob Rathbun would catch on to that one if he ever heard it.

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Najeh Davenpoop

“Sweet Teague”…

Sweet T

I like that. Souther tradition.

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Ken Strickland

October 15th, 2009
10:20 pm

Marvin has the ability to put up 18-20PPG consistently, but with our guard dominated, jump shooting OFF, no effort has been made to consistently include him in the OFF, unless one of our key scorers is missing. Some have said they’re disappointed that he’s not more aggressive in taking the ball and making something happen. But when your top 3 guards are controlling the ball and calling the same play, primarily ISO jOE, BIBBY and FLIP, what more can you expect from Marvin, or any other of our frontline players?

Ken,

I have been making the same type of points for over a year. JT may or may not be our answer but that will not solve the entire answer. Bibby brings a lot of experience and has skill sets that are important to utilize. But there are trends that he could help make happen.

Bottom line he could push the ball much more and make himself the 5th option instead of second.

Your first paragraph says it all in a nut shell. Nice post.

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“Big League” Teague = “BLT”

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The Hawks will improve if Teague can continue to improve. His game would open up the whole team to utilize their strenghts. He would push the ball and get it to the first open person. Not walk it up and dominate the ball and shoot. He would penetrate and break down a defense. Not wait till the last second and shoot a three. He could dynamically change our team for the better.

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IMUS- I will definitely look for you. Sekou’s Bloggers in the house!!
Although, I am already intimidated by your style. I will probably just go with my usual hat and t-shirt, but now I might have to think about it. Honestly, I wear what my wife lays out. I know it sounds weak, but I would rather be happy than “right”. Ya know what I’m sayin’

Melvin- All Love, You are the originator, instigator, propogator, elevator(?). Seriously, you are the man.

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dap01- I agree with your post in terms of the future. I don’t think we can expect Teague to change the essence of the team this year. If he gets 10-15 mins. with the second unit and can provide a change of pace that would be awesome enough for this year.

Ladies and Gentleman, start your engines, now from Wake Forest, number 0 in the program, but #1 in your hearts, its…..J T OOOOOOOOOOO!!!

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…in fact, here he is dunking over Hakeem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqJvGIvWHfI

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I don’t really disagree with anything you said, Flash. My only quibble is that I have a tough time believing that Bibby and JJ – both of whom excelled in fast-paced, motion-oriented offenses until they came to Atlanta – are primarily responsible for the “stagnation and underutilization of others” that has happened under Woody. That stagnation has been around ever since Woody’s first day as coach, before Bibby and even before JJ arrived.

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Hoops,

Uh…when did I ever say that they did?

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*since JJ and Bibby are the veterans

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Ok while people are trying to decide what nick name to call Teague… I like Sweet T more than JTO. Just me. Why don’t we have a nick name for our oldest player, Joe Smith……..? How about Papa Smurf…..Sweet T (smurf)says, “Papa Smurf, how much father is it to the NBA championship?” Papa smurf says, ” Not much farther Sweet T smurf not much farther!!!”

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BIG RAY, SEKOU, NIRE, ET AL,

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4563546

According to this article the NBA is “changing” the rule on 2-steps, when receiving the ball. What effect will this have on Lebron’s “CRAB DRIBBLE” and did the league make this change this year to placate Lebron in some way?

“I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends!!”

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Dos,

It’s been YEARS since I’ve seen a ref enforce that rule. I’m much more concerned about the number of steps refs let players get away with after they stop dribbling than I am about the steps they take before they start. THAT is where LeBron, Wade, and Kobe are able to get away with murder (same with MJ when he played). Jamal Crawford has gotten away with quite a few in his day too…

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Ken,

“Marvin has the ability to put up 18-20PPG consistently, but with our guard dominated, jump shooting OFF, no effort has been made to consistently include him in the OFF, unless one of our key scorers is missing. Some have said they’re disappointed that he’s not more aggressive in taking the ball and making something happen. But when your top 3 guards are controlling the ball and calling the same play, primarily ISO jOE, BIBBY and FLIP, what more can you expect from Marvin, or any other of our frontline players?”

So you are telling me that if you plugged Melo, Granger, Wallace, Gay… in our starting lineup, they would only average 13 points a game. NOT. Marvin does not get the ball like that for a reason. He has proven over his career that he does not want to nor does he have the ability to be a consistent scoring threat. One or two games a year with over 20 points when Joe was out is not consistent. He is a catch and shoot guy (jumpshooter), who does not want to shoot. He can’t post smaller players, has no handles and really has no offensiive creativity. I will grant you that he can drive and draw fouls, but rarely gets and 1’s because his finishing skills and body control is not there. All of this lockdown defender (you did not say that) stuff is really funny. While I do agree that our offense is flawed, someone who is an aggressive offensive player should actually thrive in our offense. The way Joe was doubled and tripled last year, it should be very easy for a player with any offensive ability to look very good in our offense (see Flip). Having Ability does not mean you can average 18 to 20 points a game. He has not proved that he can bottom line. That is his fault, not Coach Woodson, Bibby or Joe’s.

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Couldn’t you see the promotion for ‘Sweet Teague’ down south? Every home game that he hits a 3 pointer, you get a free sweet Tea from McDonalds with your ticket.

What kind of promotion would you do with JTO or BLT?

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MIREMETAL-I’m not bashing Bibby, I’m just stating the obvious. When he came to the Hawks he was just what the doctor ordered, and we responded. However, teams have recognized his limitations and are exploiting them successfully. As a result, Woodson has been forced to add undue responsibilitie to other players in order to compensate and keep him on the floor for extended mins. That in itself has become a problem because our overall DEF has suffered as a result.

As far as your position on Teague, one has to only look at the history of NBA PG’s that have succeeded after their ability to have an impact, or even make an NBA team, was questioned(IThomas, MBoggs, CPaul, NArchibal, CCriss, SWebb, AJohnson). Come on NIRE, how can you even try to use your list of drafted PG’s that didn’t live up to expectations to justify the idea that Teague MIGHT NOT BE READY OR ABLE to take control of this team? THAT’S NOT LIKE YOU MAN.

If you consider Bibby’s contributions beneficial to the team, then Teague, who has far more to offer, should be an upgrade over Bibby, which would certainly benefit the team more. Bibby would still be available to do his thing when needed. If the Hawks had drafted CPaul or DWilliams, think what we’d have missed out on if your approach had been used to have Bibby play heavy mins as our starter over either of them?

The point I’ve been trying to make is if we intend to get to the next level and compete for a higher seed, especially a championship, we need to strengthen our biggest weaknesses, and that’s Bibby’s limitations, especially on DEF. Marvin’s perceived lack or aggressiveness, Horford’s mechanical post moves or Smoove shooting 3’s aren’t holding us back as much as Bibby’s limitations, especially his poor DEF. WHAT HE’S MANAGED TO DO IN THE PAST, ESPECIALLY FOR OTHER TEAMS, ISN’T GOING TO MAKE US OR HIM GET ANY BETTER.

If Bibby could penetrate he’d be able to create easy shots for our frontline players, like CPaul so successfully does, and Smoove wouldn’t have to sit on the 3pt line waiting for a pass from Bibby. JJ wouldn’t have to end up in so many ISO situations trying to dribble through double/triple teams. Marvin and Horford wouldn’t have to spend so much time drifting away from the basket waiting for a pass or something to happen with our far to many ISO’s.

THE BIGGEST IMPROVEMENT WE CAN MAKE TO THIS CURRENT HAWKS TEAM IS TO UPGRADE THE STARTING PG POSITION BEFORE WE START TALKING ABOUT BRINGING IN ANOTHER STARTING CENTER, MOVING HORFORD TO PF, SMOOVE TO SF, OR MARVIN TO THE BENCH.

KEVINA-I actually remember you making virtually the same response to a previous post I made on this matter.

FLASH-I couldn’t agree with you more. It is a Woody issue, which is why he’s made so many DEF adjustments and changes in order to keep Bibby on the floor so much, despite his obvious DEF/OFF liabilities. Although Bibby’s OFF/DEF skills are limited, his experience, and what he does do well, are exactly what Woodson wants from his PG. In college and the NBA, Woodson was a prolific jumpshooter that was fundamentally sound, but he wasn’t very athletic or strong on DEF. SO, IF JJ AND BIBBY CONSISTENTLY RUN ISO’S FOR THEMSELVES AND SLOW THE OFF AND BALL MOVEMENT DOWN, IT’S EITHER WHAT WOODSON WANTS TO HAPPEN OR HE DOESN’T HAVE CONTROL OF THIS TEAM. There have been statements made by insiders that indicated certain players have tuned him out and only listen to him when it suits them. No players have been named, but it’s definitely worth considering. Maybe that’s one of the reasons Sund chose not to commit to a contract extension. I still expect him to do a better job of coaching the team this yr than he’s done in the past.

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Ken Strickland is speaking for me in my absence. ROLL TIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ken,

I agree with most of what you have said. I mentioned in the past that Bibby has all the tolls to be a premier backup as soon as JT0 shows that he is ready.

JT0 pure and simply can’t be worse defensively than Bibby and all points out for him being exactly what the doctor ordered.

If JT0 is able to make an immediate impact as I definitively think he will, I think we will see Bibby’s minutes on the floor progressively diminish (Teague will start by averaging around 15 minutes and will end up averaging 22/24 by the end of the year).

Bibby brought a lot of intangibles which made us instantly better and I think that he can still contribute with his experience and long distance dialling, however, if we want to compete for the #3 spot and go deeper in the playoffs, we need to have the PG position dealt with differently.

That alone will make everyone else better.

In relation to Woody, I fully trust that, now that he has a PG which he really likes and actually has the characteristics we need, he will make adjustments on our offence and we will see a much more fluid game.

Acie might even turn out to be a good PG but he does not have the type of game Teague has, that ability to keep defences honest with just his first step speed and his ability to finish at the rim (I have absolutely no doubt that he will be as effective when we start to play for real as he as been during the pre-season).

JTO’s drive past his defender and bounce pass to Mo who was all alone because the defence collapsed on JT0 during the Grizzly’s game is a perfect example.

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Daniel- I definitely know what you are say’n, sumtimz its better to just nod in agreement and keep it moving than to be right- I had to learn that the hard way. Im sure your wifey has good taste so…..

I may have to scale it back a little myself, I dont know how this happened but my gurl and her friend kinda invited themselves and everytime we go out and im looking really suave -she wants me to tone it down- I dont think she likes me bringing alot of attention to myself when were out together, Im guessing because there is a man shortage here and she thinks sum hoochie gonna push up on me. Little does she know im not going anywhere- MUS be a woman thing.
I know when we go out and guys are salivating over her curves and chisseled features i luv it. Look but dont touch lol

Im good Ray just taking my usual jabs at the fuzz….HAHAHAHAHHAHA

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“Sweet T” or “J Quick” has my vote. “JTO” might confuse some people. They’ll probably wonder what the O is for. lol! I can hear it now: Alley oop to J Smash from J Quick. Or Sweet T with the assist. haha

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Daniel,
Did you win???

Nire,
I have to disagree with your 11:29 post. I think it’s more of advantage if a player is allow to take more than one step prior to dribbling. In basketball, you often hear players using the phase “quick first step”. Just imagine trying to defend against opposing player when they are allow multiple steps w/o dibbling? I remember MJ use to catch the ball along the baseline and blow by his defender b/c he was allow the take multiple first steps before dribbling. Flat out hard to defend when he had a running start and his opponent trying to slide his feet to stay in front/keep up with him…

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“It never ceases to amaze me how some of you can go overboard making issues of the play, expectations, athleticism, value and contributions of Smoove, Marvin and Horford, and even JJ, while not raising a single issue about our biggest DEF liability, slowest, least athletic”

Talk like that cost me my starting job 3 years ago. Im a back up now so please dont bring this up any more.

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*I was just making

Not that either is proper english….

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Depending on who is hot on any given night, 2 of our top 6 players should score 50+. Not many teams can say that.

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it sure would be nice to see real ball movement & to get a lot more easy baskets

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It is wrong for any team that has all their starters coming back from a second round playoff season to substitute the starting point with a rookie at the beginning of the season. Maybe you guys don’t remember what happened last season when Bibby wasn’t there to run the show because of injury and personal reasons. Teague may be a better ‘baller’ than Bibby now. But he still isn’t close to being the leader nor general that Bibby is. If I recall, Sekou has mentioned Bibby playing real well during the preseason. So I guess its ok to assume he was doing that while matched up against Teague. When dealing with a rookie its better to put them in the starting line up too late, than it is to put them there too early. I think Teague is the future of this team at PG. But I don’t think he is the present answer for this team to start this season.

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All teams can spread it around and score nearly 100 points. However, we can ride 2 hot guys to 50+ any given night as good as any other team.

Even Wade+hot teammate or LeBron+hot teammate may not do it more than any 2 of 6 hawks could.

One or two will always be hot. That’s our big advantage.

With the organic growth of our front court who will be rested because of the new depth, and the arrival of quickies, Crawford & Teague, those days of shutting down JJ to shut down Hawks offense are over.

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NIREMETAL-EXACTLY, it could go either way, and I listed those players precisly to make that point. I’m not certain beyond any doubt Teague can provide us with everything we need, but his penetrating ability, youth, speed, quickness and overall scoring potential should be enough to make an immediate effort to find out. Bibby is on the down side of his career and we know with every degree of certainty that he’s only going to get worse, not better. CONTINUING TO FEATURE HIM AS OUR STARTING PG IS NOT HOW THIS TEAM IS GOING TO GET BETTER.

Bibby would be much more effective teamed up with JCrawford coming off the bench. In fact, I wouldn’t even play Bibby at PG, except out of necessity, but at SG. Since Crawford has the speed, quickness and penetrating ability that Bibby lacks, he’d be far more dangerous and effective with the ball in his hands. Bibby’s ability to consistently stick the long jumper, especially in the clutch, would make him far more effective and treatening standing near the 3pt line without the ball. Defensively, since we already prevent him from playing the quicker PG’s, playing him at SG wouldn’t be a stretch, especially with Crawford’s size and PG skills.

With Teague and Crawford playing PG and breaking down interior DEF’s by penetrating, dishing and creating easier scoring opportunities near the basket, not only will our individual and overall scoring and FG%improve, we’d also get more trips to the FT line and put more pressure on opposing DEF’s. IF WE CONTINUE TRYING TO MATCH STRONG INSIDE TEAMS LIKE CLEVELAND, ORLANDO, BOSTON ETC, WITH OUR OWN LIMITED BRAND OF GUARD DOMINATED, JUMPSHOOTING, HALFCOURT OFF, THERES NO WAY WE’LL GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL, OR EVEN MOVE UP IN THE EASTERN CONFERENCE STANDINGS.

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Bibby gained a lot of muscles this summer. Since Woody uses JJ like a point guard much of the time anyway, I think Bibby thought he needs to get muscular to contribute more. I am sure we will see Teague/Crawford handling the ball with JJ/Marvin/Bibby/Mo at the corners ready to shoot 3s. It will be hard to double team the quickies when JJ will be salivating for short 3s.

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Siler is a lowest risk highest return gamble. If Siler gives Shaq one whack in a Mario minute, the entire salary will be worth it anyway.

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To go back to an old theme…we have to move past the notion that we have no frontcourt depth. The frontcourt is actually now where we have the fewest concerns about depth. We haven’t had a training camp guy come back to bite us in the butt this decade, so I’m not worried about any of these guys turning into “the one that got away.” What I am worried about is Mo Evans and JJ colliding in practice, and suddenly we’re starting Marvin and Crawford with no one able to come off the bench to relieve them.

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I don’t want Siler as a 13th man? We definitely need a back up swingman more than anything else.

However we are not filling up our 15 men roster. Stashing Siler as the 15th man or 14th man won’t cost us anything.

We should only sign him knowing that we have all our other bases covered. He is not competing against anyone. He should only get an empty spot which we would have left open otherwise.

Siler is too unique and too cheap to waste. Almost nothing to lose, but a world of possibilities.

Morris won’t whack anybody. We want Collins to use his fouls wisely against Shaq/Howard/Oden/Bynum etc.

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(For the most famous example an example of a team that kept that 15th spot and thanked their lucky stars that they did when half their frontcourt got injured, see the 2005-2006 Suns)

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Eaton played in the all star game eventually. He was a rock behind Stockton-Malone.

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“A surprise rookie could be Dallas’ Roddy Beaubois, who repeatedly stripped Arenas in head to head play in a Dallas win. He’s a jet like Tony Parker. …” from NBA.com

Makes you go “hmmmmm. We got one ourselves.”

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“I’ve never been one to try and do too much. I’ve always felt like I know my role and I try to play the best I can. At the same time, I think this preseason I’ve tried to be more aggressive. And it’s worked out.

“But it’s really funny. Whenever we lose a piece during the season, it always seems like I’m the one that kind of steps into that spot. If I can figure out how to do that when we’re at full strength, I think it will really help my team.”

Wow, it’s obvious Marvin has no idea what he’s doing

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Wow, it’s obvious I am just plain stupid.

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factcheck,

I honestly don’t know the terms of the qualifying offer that the Hawks made to West, or if it has expired. If West isn’t coming on board at minimum salary, then jerrywest is exactly right. I certainly wasn’t implying that he knew nothing about the cap.

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or Bay & Batum…they’ve got like 50 SF’s anyway. They won’t even know he’s gone.

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I think it’ll work if Somebody throws in sum cash considerations.

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i am confused as to how every one is sayin’ that teague will be a star in the league, make start over bibby on oct. 28 and someone even said that he may be rookie of the year.

also, how in the hell do all of you all figure siler will do anything significant in this league. he is 7-0 feet and 305. i am assumin’ that he has been 7feet for atleast the past 5 years, why did all of august and any place else NOT make him a project in the 8th grade rather than waistin’ 600k to make him a project in the league.

we put too much emotion into guys. mario is garbage for all intents and purposes. he is truly one deminsional, but he would be a liability in any regular season nba game if he is in their for more than 3min. HE CAN’T SHOOT or DRIBBLE!!

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GIVE AN IDIOT A KEY,

you are jus’ like the rest of us. dumass hidin’ behind a bs moniker. pick a “real” name and stick wit’ it. make comments and come back to check what people think about your idea. you are behind a key board and a mouse and makin’ comments about everyone else. lol. YOU GOTTA BE A REPULICAN. LOL

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GIVE AN IDIOT A KEY,

can’t believe that you come on to a Hawks blog, rippin’ people who makes comments about how they need to get a life. i call you a dumass for that very reason and then you proceed to argue back and forth with me about bs. man you are the epitome of your name…AN IDIOT WITH A BOARD AND MOUSE.

WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE HAWKS? THE NBA AS A WHOLE? DO YOU THINK THAT WOODSON WILL BURN HIS STARTERS UP BY DEC? TALK HAWKS AND LEAVE THE BS FOR ST. ELSEWHERE

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Gold Cup 2009 finals USA vs MEX what a great game.

Go hawks.

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!!!!!

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J-Smoove article from Fan House:

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/10/16/player-to-watch-josh-smith/#cont

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Season Preview From RealGM:

http://hawks.realgm.com/articles/594/20091016/2009_10_season_preview_atlanta_hawks/

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Ariose good stuff can you give me the links to the Dobbs videos?

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IDK which one it is so i’m gonna post a link to all recently uploaded stuff about him:

http://www.youtube.com/results?uploaded=m&search_query=lou+dobbs+racist&search_type=videos

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Good video, its about time people give that old man a smackdown.

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Thank you Ariose. keep the Hawks info coming.

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Happy Saturday Hawksters! Hawks season preview on NBATV tonight at 8. Keep it Hawks!

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Nire, I know! Bret was halarious on there……it’s the truth too hehehe!

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I am not a racist. I have a lot of respect for African American who have endured slavery, racism and segregation to become very fruitful citizens of America.

Do you also see me as racist because I think Illegal aliens should apply legally and that they have not earned the rights of American citizenry as the African American has? Am I racist for caring about this country and selling it out to businesses who want to import illegal aliens for cheap labor? I think not.
Of course you wouldn’t be the “Bubba Crew” if you did not spew unfounded hatred and un-researched statements and accusations.

Have a nice day.

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ANT BANKS/Ken

Why do you pretend to be two differnt people? You are soooooo funny man. Please stop my sides are hurting hahahahahaha….stop it I say.

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This is for the real Lou Dobbs not for the fake one.

Lou Dobbs you are so racist. Your show on CNN is dumb, the only thing you do is attack Latinos and brainwash the American people.

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When a person attacks mexicans over and over again that makes you a racist.

Lou when are you going to attack your own race?

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But forget that hater lets talk some basketball.

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Giovani Dos Santos is the best.

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Sekou –

Loved your new article today – “Hawks provide new looks during camp”

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UFO ,

Admirable effort. Wasted on some ears, though.

As for the Mexican “supporters”, you can always move to Mexico. You don’t have to stay here. And Lou Dobbs ain’t the first old dude to voice his opinion. Nor is he the worst (trust me on this). But let’s not go there, shall we?

I think the next cuts are Monday, are they not? Who makes the cut? Mario still have some magic beans left?

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The kicker is this – he led the team in scoring both games (tied with others in one, and stood alone in the second) and his team won both games.

Here’s the link to the team box scores for each game (click on the right-facing arrows to see the box scores for each game):
http://www.basquetmanresa.com/php/plantilla2.php?location=estad.php&idioma=cat

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I don’t hate anyone. I also don’t confuse illegal aliens with being Latino. Hispanics from Puerto Rican’s don’t illegal invade my country. Neither do the Cubans or the Dominicans. This country’s illegal immigration problem is 95% Mexican. It has nothing to to with soccer. It has every thing to do with the value and integrity of my country. So because I see the illegal alien as a criminal and a trespasser in my country. One who disrespects this country’s laws and was a major cause in the crippling of the US economy you want to brand me as racist.

OK Bubba. Go back to Mexico and apply for citizenship. Wait till its granted and I will honor you just like I honor the Millions who legally apply for citizenship every year. How about you showing class and respect for our country and its laws if you want some one to respect you. Get in line like a decent and lawful person.

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Big Ray Ive got my fingers crossed on Siler. I Hop his attitude is right. He does parallel Bynum if you take it back three years ago. I agree with Woodson take, that he is worth the chance. Ive heard you say similarly. Whats the odds of him making the cut?

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Chillz was a pac – 10 scoring leading and is a natural scorer, but your right, he’s no JJ

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Fake Lou Dobbs lets go back in time ok.

Mexicans are not the monters your people are.

Europeans illegally landed on the land that is now known as Amerikkka. Your people created terrorism and crimes on native americans, your people stole this continent from Native americans.

fake Lou Dobbs your people(Europeans) are the real invaders.

Here a fact 95% of the native american population was killed by your selfish people.
So your people are the real illegals on this continent.

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How would you know if I was European or not? You don’t, do you? What nationality are you? If you say anything but Native American, you are illegally in this country according to your own opinion. Sounds like a pot talking to a kettle again.

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Europeans & white people need to understand the words “theft” and “racism”, “justice” and “shame”. The whole world needs to put them in shame!

So don’t blame the economy & the terrorism the usa has gotten on mexicans blame your karma.

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Fake Lou Dobbs got a smackdown.

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Nireman, you’re forgetting that JJ wanted out of Phoenix because he wasn’t being featured enough. I think that he has to prove to the league that he can chose to create flow even while he is a team’s go-to man; without that, and expending energy both mental and physical in creating points off defensive positioning, boards, nice touch passes, clearing space for Marvin or Teague, etc, I think that his value to any team, not just this one, is diminished. As Phil used to preach in Chicago, quoting Kipling:

“Now is the Law of the Jungle—as old and true as the sky;
And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back—

For the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack.”

It should be interesting. As Thinkingman says, Let the games begin!

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Again, this comes down to the role of a player and a coach – if a coach is doing his job, all the player should have to worry about is execution. To ask JJ to create flow is essentially to ask him to control where his teammates go and what they do – which is, of course, the coach’s job. No single player has to worry about creating flow on even a semi-regular basis in the systems that Phil Jackson, Greg Popovich, Doc Rivers, Pat Riley, Rudy T (back in the day), and even Mike D’Antoni employ (it wasn’t for no reason that Nash went from All-Star to MVP at the age of 30 under D’Antoni).

As I’ve said, it’s not a coincidence that 22 of the last 25 titles have been won by just 5 coaches. The guards on those teams never had to worry about the things we’re asking our guards to do.

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Truth ,

Like I say, Woody always tells the truth. What he doesn’t say is just as loud as what he DOES say. He doesn’t have much to say about Morris. He didn’t have much to say about Law. He speaks up on Teague (quite candidly) and he speaks up on Siler. He didn’t have much to say about Solo before he left. It’s really straight forward with him. Something tells me he would cast a vote in Siler’s direction, but his is not he final say-so.

On the flip side of the coin, does Woody still cast a vote for Siler if he has to choose between him, Hunter, West, and Dixon? I’m assuming Sims is out of the picture. Nothing he is doing makes me think he will be kept.

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Among other things. Interesting comments on Marvin Williams as well.

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Lou Dobbs

October 17th, 2009
10:22 pm
How would you know if I was European or not? You don’t, do you? What nationality are you? If you say anything but Native American, you are illegally in this country according to your own opinion. Sounds like a pot talking to a kettle again.

Or this

October 17th, 2009
10:24 pm
I did not know the Native Americans had immigration laws. I thought they were too busy killing each other’s tribes. Sort of like Africans, who are still doing it to this very day. How primitive of them.

The honor for writing this race baiting belongs to Lou Dobbs gets a smackdown. His motives are clear. Make Lou Dobbs look racist so an illegal immigration bill will pass.

Please respect our country and its laws as we respect yours and its laws. Go back to mexico and apply for citizenship just like millions do every year and they becomes Honorable citizens. There is already a path to citizenship.

Good luck to you.

October 17th, 2009
10:41 pm

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Flow is usually created by the Point guard or the Point forward…not by the coach, although he gives that responsibility and charge to the guard or forward.

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Lou Dobbs,

Racism is just an effective smoke screen for those who hire those people. Wether it’s health care, education, service industry, agriculture, our financial institutions or war it is and always been about class warfare. Follow the money and who is making profit.

The rich love the illegal population, what’s not to like, cheap labor with the rest of us picking up the costs they avoid. Blaming the Mexicans is crazy. Introduce those who hire the illegal’s to a steal box for a couple years and the immigrants will go home. There will be no jobs left.

If we actively jailed those who exploit humans for profit you would see a miracle of efficiency on figuring out a way to bring in cheap labor legally. You ain’t going to stop the rich.

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The biggest thing with the Hawks is their performance on the road. that is it plain and simple. this is the most important thing. las’ year they won 31 home games and the year before that they won 25 home games. regardless to ISO JOE, J-Smoove jackin’ tres, Woodys burnin’ up starters or not playin’ more than a 7man rotation, whateva!

when they go on the road they turn into pumpkins!! at home they succeed despite all of the flaws that you guys point out. they need some heart to win on the road!! if they can win 30 home games and 28 road games i will say that they are an elite team.

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VAVA 74-I’m not advocating that we divorce ourselves from Bibby, just change his role, reduce his mins and start Teague to see how effectiv he and his various skills can be for the team. Bibby is an OFF weapon, and will probably continue to be one for the next few yrs. I just think Teague’s speed, quickness, versatility, and ability to penetrate and breakdown DEF’s would definitely help make our overall OFF more efficient and effective. He has the talent and ability to provide our OFF with a lot of what elite PG’s like TParker, CPaul and DWilliams provide for their teams OFF.

To say without question that JTeague isn’t ready to start is as foolish a statement as the one that was made by the clown that said Smoove would be a complete bust, immediately after we drafted him with a 1st rd pick. Don’t forget, Woodson publically stated his concerns about CPaul’s and DWilliams’ ability to be effective and contribute their 1st couple of yrs. HOW WRONG WAS HE? I’D LIKE SOMEONE, WHO FEELS TEAGUE’S NOT READY TO START, TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT HE’S DONE, OR FAILED TO DO, THAT WOULD INDICATE BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT HE’S NOT READY RIGHT NOW.

KEVINA-one of the reasons Bibby doesn’t turn the ball over much is because he seldom penetrates and makes passes in the lane, and he usually generates his OFF from around the 3pt line. As a starting PG, he doesn’t make a lot off high risk passes inside to his frontline players, which is probably why he doesn’t consistently generate a lot of assists and ranks 2nd on the team. You also have to add to the fact JJ controls the ball as much, if not more, than he does.

It’s also interesting to note that even though we finished 5th in fast break pts, we’re not considered a fast breaking or up tempo team. In fact, from an OFF perspective, we don’t have a definitive identity as either a fastbreaking or halfcourt OFF. We don’t run often or consistently enough to be labeled an uptempo or fastbreaking team, and our halfcourt OFF is so limited and ineffective there’s no way we can be considered an effective halfcourt team.

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United States

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Although Stephon Marbury says he’s not ready to announce his retirement, the for Knicks guard said yesterday he has “shut everything down,” taking the season off to work on his businesses and claims he will return to the NBA next season.

Marbury also could not keep himself from ripping his hometown team and coach Mike D’Antoni for their poor preseason play, calling them “a mess.”

Marbury went unsigned as a free agent this summer after turning down Boston’s veteran minimum offer ($1.3 million) in July. Marbury said he plans to attend the Knicks’ home opener Oct. 31 vs. the Sixers with his kids.

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The things mexicans are doing today, white people have done in the past.

Example: Coming to this continent illegally and staying here forever.

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Lou Dobbs gets a smackdown by the way. The americans had a agreement with the indian. Whey back when. We traded land for goods. There was nothing illegal about it.Over 250 years again. We also have an agreement with Mexico. If you want to be citizens you should apply. We will have forms for you to apply.

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What dumb ass writes

Viva La Mexico

correct way to say it

Viva Mexico

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This is the 21st century but you know people are still being racist to Mexicans.

And by the way people who call other humans aliens are ignorant.

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UFO, I agree

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Lou Dobbs gets a smackdown – probably the same one who says”Wether”

I MUS WRITE (whatever) how did freedom of speech become a part of the conversation about legality and Illegality? Well you are entitled to your opinion…. so am I. It would be nice if your opinion was relevant.

It’s funny how you can have an organization call the race and anyone who is against illegal immigration is a racist. What’s wrong with this picture?
OK hypocrite. My freedom of speech say’s I’m against illegal immigration and amnesty. Call it racist if you like. Whatever. My vote counts as one vote, over 85 % of Americans agree with me. You are entitled to your opinion and you have one vote too. We disagree. I don’t believe in illegal immigration and we’ve had enough amnesty.

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I see. Anyone who disagress with illegal immigration will be painted an racist, so you better vote for amnesty.

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No dude we are 2 different people.

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Yeah, most of you guys are racist but still funny.

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let’s not get too carried away, because we’re only dealing in opinions here

Heh – Ken, I really want you to look back over your posts as well as the posts you were responding to, and ask who was getting “carried away.” No hate for you man, but just sayin – you were the one out in front pounding your proverbial shoe on the table about this.

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Lou Dobbs my racist friend, go to youtube and see the 2009 gold cup final.

You will love it.

Never mind that would only make you hate mexicans even more.

Hahahaha!

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Please dont use my name in your discussion of race “Lou Dobbs gets a smackdown”. Im for America too. I also think a group called the race is promoting one race and is therefore racist. I am also against illegal immigration and I want tighter boarders. If you leave my name out of it, I leave this one between you and Lou Dobbs. By the way, Im Black too.

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Sekou,

Based on the last page of comments, I’m begging you – make a new thread

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Hahahahaha

All races love to exploit humans if there is a dollar to be made. Heck it took over 200 years to pass the Lilly Lead Better act. Violate the countries laws? Heck the rich make the laws, then we bail their butts out, where is the outcry for enforceing the laws now? Lets blame the Mexicans. Lets let those who hire them eat the free lunch. There is a reason the border is not sealed.

If Crawford plays well how does anybody see Teague getting 20 minutes. Bibby would have to play pretty bad, I don’t see that happening, he’s a vet.

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There is nothing wrong with being rich. There is nothing to blame. Whats to blame. What I blame is your weak play on words to solicit sympathy for illegal immigration and your arrogance at calling any one who doesnt approve of you abusing the system as racist. Why should “The Race” AKA La Raza, be given preference over all the other races of people who are trying to get to america and make a better life for themselves,and over those who apply legally? Can you answer that question without calling someone a racist?

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Stop trying to use something 400 years ago to justify your behavior today.

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Hahahahahahahaha!!!!

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NIRE-I was referring to both of us when I said let’s not get too carried away. Whatever one of us was doing in this exchange of opinions, the other was just as guilty. I’m not upset at all my friend. And yes, I was the one that started the discussion about starting Teague over Bibby.

One other thing. We all know Woodson’s OFF doesn’t require traditional PG skills to be effective. Besides, JJ runs the OFF as much as the PG, so I feel Teague could get the job done from day one without struggling. His primary OFF responsibility would be to use his speed, quickness and penetrating ability to breakdown the DEF and create open shots and/or easy inside scoring opportunities for our Bigs when called upon. On DEF, he’d be required to use that same speed and quickness to fight over screens, maintain position in front of his man and limit penetration, which would relieve the other 4 players of having to switch on every pick and having to guard quicker, faster players.

I could see Bibby serving in a simular capacity as JTerry, the former starting PG for Dallas.

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Lou Dobbs,

Agreed 100%, If Teague makes the impact some think it will be much more of a suprise than the improvement of Marvin and Josh. I would like to throw in the name of Al to boot to a lesser extent.

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Hahahaha,

There is nothing wrong with being rich. There is nothing to blame.

Except when they break the law. Minor point you fail to recognize. Does society change and mature as a matter of fairness or just blame the poor and manipulated.
In the end you win. Bk to Hawks. Talking normal humanity in a red state is hopeless.
You get the last word and lets get back to Hawks basketball.

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Dude am native american not mexican.
And i don’t blame rich people I only blame racist white people.

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Thought this was Hawks basketball blog? For a moment I thought I had stumbled on CNN’s blog page. October 27 cannot come soon enough! 6 more days, baby! Can’t wait. Go Hawks Go!

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