What’s in your profile?
There's no identity crisis for Hawks swingman Marvin Williams. He knows exactly who he is. But what do other think of the starting small forward? Find out inside.
HAWKSVILLE – The questions rolled off the tongue much easier than the answer.
I asked Marvin Williams the other day, “Who are you as a player, what’s your profile around the league?”
After rubbing his head for a second and smiling, Williams looked me dead in the eye and said, “I don’t worry about stuff like that. You’d have to ask someone else about that.”
Good idea Marv.
A quick phone call to a friend (a NBA All-Star turned pundit these days) offered up an interesting answer.
“Marvin Williams is their x-factor,” he said. “He’s the key to their season if you ask me. I think Marvin has to be the guy because he’s a 6-9, 240-pound guy that plays what I think is the most crucial position in the league these days. Whatever position the best player in the league plays, every guy on every other team that plays that spot becomes even more important. When MJ (Michael Jordan for you Y2K babies) ruled the league every shooting guard in the league instantly became more important. The same goes for all the small forwards now that LeBron is the man. So if Marvin can get to another level this year, the Hawks really have a chance to make some noise.”
That’s fine. And it’s a great discussion for another day. But it didn’t answer my initial question about Marvin’s game, which to me seems like an interesting mix of inside and out (more mid-range than post with a little 3-point wrinkle added last season) with a chance for so much more. So I pressed on, asking again for a definitive statement about what kind of player Marvin is in the eyes of a guy that’s played the game at a high level.
“Well, his game is hard to describe because I don’t know that he’s that easily categorized. The Hawks have never really asked him to fit into a specific hole as a shooter or rebounder or whatever,” my friend said. “I always felt like he had a chance to be a Jamal Mashburn-type player, a big guy that could work you off the dribble from the wing and finish with a jumper or push his man closer to the basket and finish there. But his handles have never impressed me. He was more of a situational shooter before last season, and those guys tend to drift in and out of games depending on who they’re playing with. But he opened my eyes last season with the 3-point shooting. I saw him early in the year when the Hawks started 6-0 and he was shooting the lights out and I felt like he had a chance to really break out, but he gradually eased up from out there as the season went on. He has to keep attacking from all over the floor offensively and hold his ground defensively. As far as who he is as a player, I think the jury is still out on him. And that’s a good thing. He’s still in the early stages of his career where he can define that for himself. This is a huge year for him individually. He can answer a lot of questions by showing he’s more of a consistent force than he’s been in his first few years.”
Most everyone I’ve spoken to about Williams since the summer, when he signed a new five-year deal with the Hawks, has echoed similar sentiments, the gist being that Williams still has room to grow and improve. I just wonder if how much of that we’ll get to see on a team where he’ll remain a third or fourth option on the offensive end of the floor.
KG IS WELCOME, TOO
Now that Zaza Pachulia is in the restaurant business, I expect the culinary jokes to become commonplace around here (fire away, Zaza’s thick skinned and a good sport).
Naturally, I kicked off the clowning last week while we sat in his spot (Eno By Zaza) for an interview.
“So is Kevin Garnett welcome here?” I asked, wondering aloud whether or not their nose-to-nose playoff dance from a couple years back was still a sore spot for both men.
After laughing for a few minutes, the always gracious Zaza welcomed not only Garnett but anyone in the world named Kevin or Garnett to frequent his spot. ”On the court, I’m always going to compete and fight hard,” Pachulia said. “Off the court, is another story. I hope Kevin Garnett comes to eat here. It would be great to see.”
Spoken like a true entrepreneur.
HOOP DREAMERS BEWARE
Utah Flash coach Brad Jones dropped in for a training camp visit last week and will return to Atlanta next week on more business. The Flash, the Hawks’ D-League affiliate, will be holding a one-day tryout at Athletics and Fitness Center at Clayton State University Oct. 24 at 10 a.m.
The flash have selected at least two players from the open tryout to attend their training camp in each of the past two seasons. Jones said Wednesday afternoon that as many as 17 players will attend training camp with the team in Salt Lake City.
Jones said the one-day tryout is open to all comers, provided they register (the fee is $150 in advance and $175 on the day of camp) as well as a player release and eligibility form. Registration can be completed online (and the forms can be found on the team’s official website).
The Flash will begin preseason training camp Nov. 15 before traveling to Tulsa for their first regular season game on Nov. 27.
OSCAR BUZZ
Who knew Josh Smith was the funniest NBA player of his time? He’s always kept me in stitches, but now he’s finding his way to the web in one hilarious video after another. He actually shows off some real acting chops in his new one-man spot that’s popped up online. His latest (courtesy of our friends at adidas, via a nice assist from my main man MS):
NICKNAME MADNESS
The nickname game is heating up with the regular season just around the corner.
OG member Big Ray is campaigning vigorously to tag rookie point guard Jeff Teague with the moniker “JT0″ (pronounced “Jay Tee Oh,” in reference to his initials and uniform number while also paying homage to the classic Pontiac sports car [GTO], per Nire).
Nire has taken it a couple steps further with a pre-made theme song (which I think needs a hip-hop edge for a youngster like Teague):
I’m more inclined to watch this Teague mix:
Hawks and Grizz tonight at 8 from the Bluff City, in case you forgot.
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Lou Dobbs gets a smackdown
October 17th, 2009
10:35 pm
Europeans & white people need to understand the words “theft” and “racism”, “justice” and “shame”. The whole world needs to put them in shame!
So don’t blame the economy & the terrorism the usa has gotten on mexicans blame your karma.
Lou Dobbs gets a smackdown
October 17th, 2009
10:41 pm
I was calling you white(european) because you call yourself Lou Dobbs.
Lou Dobbs gets a smackdown
October 17th, 2009
10:51 pm
Fake Lou Dobbs got a smackdown.
I MUS WRITE
October 17th, 2009
11:04 pm
Ray dont make me start the Randolph Morris is a….. thing again…ditto- he doesnt show me anything.
Teague is not ready to start …….come on people
The Flash
October 17th, 2009
11:58 pm
Nireman, you’re forgetting that JJ wanted out of Phoenix because he wasn’t being featured enough. I think that he has to prove to the league that he can chose to create flow even while he is a team’s go-to man; without that, and expending energy both mental and physical in creating points off defensive positioning, boards, nice touch passes, clearing space for Marvin or Teague, etc, I think that his value to any team, not just this one, is diminished. As Phil used to preach in Chicago, quoting Kipling:
“Now is the Law of the Jungle—as old and true as the sky;
And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back—
For the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack.”
It should be interesting. As Thinkingman says, Let the games begin!
niremetal
October 18th, 2009
12:34 am
Flash,
Again, I don’t disagree. But I don’t think Woody’s “offense” is conducive to a capable backcourt scorer doing the things you describe. It shouldn’t be left up to a player to create flow, and it’s tough to create flow when the offense all too often consists of your teammates standing around doing nothing.
niremetal
October 18th, 2009
12:47 am
Again, this comes down to the role of a player and a coach – if a coach is doing his job, all the player should have to worry about is execution. To ask JJ to create flow is essentially to ask him to control where his teammates go and what they do – which is, of course, the coach’s job. No single player has to worry about creating flow on even a semi-regular basis in the systems that Phil Jackson, Greg Popovich, Doc Rivers, Pat Riley, Rudy T (back in the day), and even Mike D’Antoni employ (it wasn’t for no reason that Nash went from All-Star to MVP at the age of 30 under D’Antoni).
As I’ve said, it’s not a coincidence that 22 of the last 25 titles have been won by just 5 coaches. The guards on those teams never had to worry about the things we’re asking our guards to do.
The Truth
October 18th, 2009
12:55 am
All this speculation on this blog about Siler future as a Hawks, it appears that Woody may have already stated his position:
”He’s one of those projects that if you work with him for a few years, you feel like you can really make him into something.”
When you hear the coach describing him as: “he’s such a big body, it makes him intriguing,”
That doesn’t sound like Woody is ready to divorce himself from Siler just yet. Woody calling him a “project” suggests Siler maybe on a D-league track by way of a roster spot. Since several invitees are making a serious run for a spot, it wouldn’t surprise me if the Hawks filled out the roster with 15 players including Siler. Then send him to D-league for some more seasoning. If the Hawks need to add another player during the season, they could waive Morris and pay him whatever the protected remains of his contract if any. They then sign the new player in that scenario. Let’s face it, Morris $800,000 is lost whether he rides the pine or riding in his Benz, it’s gone with little return. Maybe Woody is hinting that he has his sights on a different future project and it’s likely not Morris. If the Hawks can survive a Speedy bust, then eating Morris small salary is a cake walk.
Big Ray
October 18th, 2009
4:02 am
Truth ,
Like I say, Woody always tells the truth. What he doesn’t say is just as loud as what he DOES say. He doesn’t have much to say about Morris. He didn’t have much to say about Law. He speaks up on Teague (quite candidly) and he speaks up on Siler. He didn’t have much to say about Solo before he left. It’s really straight forward with him. Something tells me he would cast a vote in Siler’s direction, but his is not he final say-so.
On the flip side of the coin, does Woody still cast a vote for Siler if he has to choose between him, Hunter, West, and Dixon? I’m assuming Sims is out of the picture. Nothing he is doing makes me think he will be kept.
Big Ray
October 18th, 2009
4:18 am
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Aj_Kj71pP3XtC3L6u3lENq5FT74F?slug=teamreports-2009-nba-atl&prov=sportsxchange&type=team_report
Woody acknowledging Nire’s point…
Big Ray
October 18th, 2009
4:19 am
Among other things. Interesting comments on Marvin Williams as well.
vava74
October 18th, 2009
6:23 am
Ken,
As I had the opportunity to point out, I also believe that we need to make changes on the PG spot in order to achieve higher things, however, you should take into consideration that neither the Hornets nor the Jazz had a starting PG of the calibre of Bibby when Paul and Williams arrived hence they had no option but to insert them on their starting line ups.
Bibby may be on the downhill of his career but he still knows how to play ball and be a leader on the floor.
Further to this, JT0’s game is, by default, less developed than Paul and Williams’ on a pure PG characteristics perspective (the guy averaged 3.5 assists and 3.4 TO per game in last College season).
Hence, he will only benefit from being slowing brought up to speed with all the ins and outs of the pro game and the PG position.
If he came in too quickly, he could start making too many mistakes and that could kill is tremendous asset: his confidence.
I did not publish this (Lou Dobbs)
October 18th, 2009
7:14 am
Lou Dobbs
October 17th, 2009
10:22 pm
How would you know if I was European or not? You don’t, do you? What nationality are you? If you say anything but Native American, you are illegally in this country according to your own opinion. Sounds like a pot talking to a kettle again.
Or this
October 17th, 2009
10:24 pm
I did not know the Native Americans had immigration laws. I thought they were too busy killing each other’s tribes. Sort of like Africans, who are still doing it to this very day. How primitive of them.
The honor for writing this race baiting belongs to Lou Dobbs gets a smackdown. His motives are clear. Make Lou Dobbs look racist so an illegal immigration bill will pass.
Please respect our country and its laws as we respect yours and its laws. Go back to mexico and apply for citizenship just like millions do every year and they becomes Honorable citizens. There is already a path to citizenship.
Good luck to you.
October 17th, 2009
10:41 pm
Truth-Serum
October 18th, 2009
7:29 am
Big ray, Truth, I’m encouraged by your speculation. I look at the path that Bynum took to become a legitimate force. He also did the project scenario and it looks like it paid off for him and the Lakers. What an added plus it would be for the Hawks if he could raise his game and refine his skills. This would be a “true case” of organic growth.
I can imagine the Hawks options futuristically with a strong presence in the middle. It took Bynum about three years to get to the level he’s at although he started making contributions earlier. Much of the Hawks core will be intact 3 years from now it appears. The potential to reach the championship rounds would be good if everything plays out.
Here’s to the kid Siler. Keep working. It will pay off.
Dezz Nuttz
October 18th, 2009
7:37 am
Flow is usually created by the Point guard or the Point forward…not by the coach, although he gives that responsibility and charge to the guard or forward.
Truth-Serum
October 18th, 2009
7:47 am
vava74
October 18th, 2009
6:23 am
Good points and well taken.
You just don't get it
October 18th, 2009
10:36 am
Lou Dobbs,
Racism is just an effective smoke screen for those who hire those people. Wether it’s health care, education, service industry, agriculture, our financial institutions or war it is and always been about class warfare. Follow the money and who is making profit.
The rich love the illegal population, what’s not to like, cheap labor with the rest of us picking up the costs they avoid. Blaming the Mexicans is crazy. Introduce those who hire the illegal’s to a steal box for a couple years and the immigrants will go home. There will be no jobs left.
If we actively jailed those who exploit humans for profit you would see a miracle of efficiency on figuring out a way to bring in cheap labor legally. You ain’t going to stop the rich.
KevinA
October 18th, 2009
11:03 am
vava74,
Great point, JT playing time and success will depend heavily on his turnover’s. With all of Bibby’s warts he takes care of the ball. Not a small feat at the NBA level.
Aroise or anybody else,
I heard an interesting comment by an analyst. The Hawks ranked 5th in fast break points. Does anybody know where to look that information up at? It would be fun to see the entire list. Another great list would be turnovers on the break vrs half court offense by team. Any such list exist?
ANT BANKS
October 18th, 2009
11:20 am
The biggest thing with the Hawks is their performance on the road. that is it plain and simple. this is the most important thing. las’ year they won 31 home games and the year before that they won 25 home games. regardless to ISO JOE, J-Smoove jackin’ tres, Woodys burnin’ up starters or not playin’ more than a 7man rotation, whateva!
when they go on the road they turn into pumpkins!! at home they succeed despite all of the flaws that you guys point out. they need some heart to win on the road!! if they can win 30 home games and 28 road games i will say that they are an elite team.
Melvin
October 18th, 2009
11:31 am
You want to sign a backup swingman well it look like their some quality one’s on the market.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=14073
Ken Strickland
October 18th, 2009
12:04 pm
VAVA 74-I’m not advocating that we divorce ourselves from Bibby, just change his role, reduce his mins and start Teague to see how effectiv he and his various skills can be for the team. Bibby is an OFF weapon, and will probably continue to be one for the next few yrs. I just think Teague’s speed, quickness, versatility, and ability to penetrate and breakdown DEF’s would definitely help make our overall OFF more efficient and effective. He has the talent and ability to provide our OFF with a lot of what elite PG’s like TParker, CPaul and DWilliams provide for their teams OFF.
To say without question that JTeague isn’t ready to start is as foolish a statement as the one that was made by the clown that said Smoove would be a complete bust, immediately after we drafted him with a 1st rd pick. Don’t forget, Woodson publically stated his concerns about CPaul’s and DWilliams’ ability to be effective and contribute their 1st couple of yrs. HOW WRONG WAS HE? I’D LIKE SOMEONE, WHO FEELS TEAGUE’S NOT READY TO START, TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT HE’S DONE, OR FAILED TO DO, THAT WOULD INDICATE BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT HE’S NOT READY RIGHT NOW.
KEVINA-one of the reasons Bibby doesn’t turn the ball over much is because he seldom penetrates and makes passes in the lane, and he usually generates his OFF from around the 3pt line. As a starting PG, he doesn’t make a lot off high risk passes inside to his frontline players, which is probably why he doesn’t consistently generate a lot of assists and ranks 2nd on the team. You also have to add to the fact JJ controls the ball as much, if not more, than he does.
It’s also interesting to note that even though we finished 5th in fast break pts, we’re not considered a fast breaking or up tempo team. In fact, from an OFF perspective, we don’t have a definitive identity as either a fastbreaking or halfcourt OFF. We don’t run often or consistently enough to be labeled an uptempo or fastbreaking team, and our halfcourt OFF is so limited and ineffective there’s no way we can be considered an effective halfcourt team.
Lou Dobbs
October 18th, 2009
1:36 pm
You just don’t get it/ Lou Dobbs gets a smackdown.
Actually this is a sports blog page and your efforts to rally support for your “Cut the line politics” would be better suited on the opinion page. Perhaps you should address your racial concerns to the Mexican political group called “La Raza” which means “The Race”. I’m sure they are very interested in your racial view. I’m interested in the growth of the Hawks. In closing and in ending my communication with you, understand there are many people in the world that would like to come to the united state. Most apply legally and wait their turn. You are no better than the others. In fact most of them come from poor countries and war torn places. Mexico is neither but the 3 largest supplier of oil to the United States. Perhaps you should clean up the corruption of Mexico and then people will migrate there for its beauty and value. Tearing down America won’t lift Mexico up. That the responsibility of its citizenry to build its country.
Lets talk basketball!!
Again, have a nice day.
Lou Dobbs
October 18th, 2009
1:37 pm
United States
Hahahahaha
October 18th, 2009
1:48 pm
I can agree with the funny guy ken/ANT BANKS for once. Bibby is a liability defensively, however his 3pt shot is sick and his court wisdom is real. I vote let the man play out his contract and the kid behind him will be blessed for the patience. Teague’s has a long future and Bibby has earned his last hurrah.
Hahahahaha
October 18th, 2009
1:51 pm
Although Stephon Marbury says he’s not ready to announce his retirement, the for Knicks guard said yesterday he has “shut everything down,” taking the season off to work on his businesses and claims he will return to the NBA next season.
Marbury also could not keep himself from ripping his hometown team and coach Mike D’Antoni for their poor preseason play, calling them “a mess.”
Marbury went unsigned as a free agent this summer after turning down Boston’s veteran minimum offer ($1.3 million) in July. Marbury said he plans to attend the Knicks’ home opener Oct. 31 vs. the Sixers with his kids.
niremetal
October 18th, 2009
1:59 pm
Ken,
You’re asking the wrong question. When there is an incumbent veteran starter in place and a rookie comes in as a potential successor, the rookie has to be the one to prove that he’s ready to replace the veteran. Nobody is saying that they are sure “beyond a reasonable doubt” or “without question” that Teague isn’t ready to start. All anyone has done is made the VERY reasonable point that Jeff Teague hasn’t played in a single NBA regular season game yet.
Something that also gets lost in the mix – Bibby is the ONLY player on the Hawks’ roster who consistently sets screens both on and off the ball. It’s a wrinkle to his game that is frequently overlooked, and it is one of the reason that the teams he plays on tend to shoot a much higher percentage with him than without him (just check out the team shooting percentages of Vancouver, Sacramento, and Atlanta before and after his arrival/departure).
Despite your efforts to caricature Bibby as a stand-still perimeter shooter who offers little else (and it is a caricature – besides the screens and “intangible” elements, I don’t see how you missed all the times he ran a fast break, got assists of pick and rolls, and threw up alley-oops to Smoove last year), he is still widely regarded as one of the best floor generals in the NBA. We won 47 games with him as our PG last year. I don’t see how you can act like it’s unreasonable for people to say that Teague should show us something during real games before he displaces Bibby.
To place the burden of proof on us to prove that Teague isn’t ready to replace Bibby is getting it backwards. Teague needs to prove that he’s ready to replace Bibby. And I don’t see how YOU can say THAT when Teague has yet to play 1 second in a real NBA game. So stop this foolishness of demanding that people “prove” that you’re wrong.
Lou Dobbs gets a smackdown
October 18th, 2009
2:53 pm
The things mexicans are doing today, white people have done in the past.
Example: Coming to this continent illegally and staying here forever.
Lou Dobbs.
October 18th, 2009
3:01 pm
Lou Dobbs gets a smackdown
I believe that the hawks will have a very productive year. I am excited about the additions that have been made to the team. We will light up the board on teams with weak defenses.
Im not interested in racial discussions. This is the 21st century. You may choose to direct your racial issues to La Raza, in english, the race. Im sure they are interested in your discussion of races.
God bless America land that I love. Stand beside and guide her. Through the night with a light from above. From the mountians to the parires, to the oceans, God bless America, my home sweet home. Go Hawks!(somebody toss the ball up at mid-court please!)Let get this show Crunk!
Lou Dobbs.
October 18th, 2009
3:04 pm
Lou Dobbs gets a smackdown by the way. The americans had a agreement with the indian. Whey back when. We traded land for goods. There was nothing illegal about it.Over 250 years again. We also have an agreement with Mexico. If you want to be citizens you should apply. We will have forms for you to apply.
La Raza Rules
October 18th, 2009
3:06 pm
Viva La Mexico!!! americano’s = puto’s
Lou Dobbs gets a smackdown
October 18th, 2009
3:13 pm
What dumb ass writes
Viva La Mexico
correct way to say it
Viva Mexico
I MUS WRITE
October 18th, 2009
3:14 pm
Lou Dobbs and his imposter are both wack sandwiches. KS – thats my opinion man- The Declaration of Independence allows free thought and freedom of speech……
Teague will be a good player no doubt.He may be starting by the trade deadline,but you and the rest of the Teague jock riders need to take off the rose colored glasses. The guy needs time to develope. Bibby is a better leader and better shooter at this point so he is the starter period point blank…… Teague should get between 18-20 minutes a game.
D. Williams and CP3 both had their stuggles as rookies and so will Teague. The difference is they didnt have a veteran in front of them so they were forced into action- as good as those guys are (1/@ amongst pg’s)it took them nearly a full season to get their games together.Hell Sloan even benched D Will ……Pg is the hardest position to learn in the NBA- give the guy a minute jeezuz
Smoove was drafted higher than Teague at #17 and he didnt just come in here and take Harrington and Walkers jobs …I believe he was playing the 2. As much as I hate Walker/Harringtons collective games they were vets and a young jumping jack like Josh was fun to watch but he wast ready to take over for them as a rook.
ufø
October 18th, 2009
3:27 pm
This is the 21st century but you know people are still being racist to Mexicans.
And by the way people who call other humans aliens are ignorant.
ufø
October 18th, 2009
3:37 pm
So Lou Dobbs you are ignorant.
Lou Dobbs gets a smackdown
October 18th, 2009
3:48 pm
UFO, I agree
Ken Strickland
October 18th, 2009
4:04 pm
NIREMETAL-let’s not get too carried away, because we’re only dealing in opinions here. I don’t see it strickly as a matter of either of us necessarily being completely right or wrong. You’ve definitely made some valid points about Bibby and what he brings to the table, and it hasn’t gone unnoticed by me. I simply feel it’s better to start Teague now and find out what he can do rather than assume he’s not ready because he hasn’t played his 1st regular season gm yet.
His attributes could help take this team to a higher level, and we can still take advantage of the positives Bibby brings to the table. I don’t see it as an either or proposition. Unless Bibby improves his speed, quickness, penetrating ability and DEF, how is he, at his age, going to improve or contribute more of what this team needs to make it more competitive against teams like Boston, Cleveland or Olando as our starting PG? When the Hawks potential for the upcoming seasons was assessed on NBA TV, it was stated that Bibby’s lack of DEF will continue to be exploited and will continue to be a problem, like in the past.
They also mentioned how Woodson has drastically changed his DEF approach to try and hide Bibby’s DEF shortcomings. When Bibby first took over the OFF, our overall scoring increased by 9PPG, but our PPG allowed also increased by 9PPG. Not only has our overall DEF decreased since his arrival, but the individual DEF stats of some of our key starters decreased as well. That was due to the added responsibilities and greater area they’ve been required to cover in our switching DEF.
One person on NBA TV believed JJ’s fatigue issues were due to him having to cover the elite PG’s too often because of Bibby’s DEF shortcomings. How much more difficult must it be for Horford, Marvin, JJ and Smoove to be as effective defensively as they could be when they constantly have to switch and cover quicker, faster players because of Bibby’s lack of speed, quickness, athliticism, lateral movement and overall DEF liabilities? They also can’t concentrate fully on the player they’re assigned to guard because they have to keep one eye on Bibby’s man, since they know he’s going to get beaten most of the time.
BOTTOMLINE, IF WE EXPECT TO MOVE TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND BECOME MORE COMPETITIVE AGAINST THE ELITE TEAMS, WE NEED A STARTING PG THAT CAN CONSISTENTLY EXPLOIT OPPOSING TEAMS, NOT ONE THAT OPPOSING TEAMS CAN CONSISTENTLY EXPLOIT.
Lou Dobbs
October 18th, 2009
4:18 pm
Lou Dobbs gets a smackdown – probably the same one who says”Wether”
I MUS WRITE (whatever) how did freedom of speech become a part of the conversation about legality and Illegality? Well you are entitled to your opinion…. so am I. It would be nice if your opinion was relevant.
It’s funny how you can have an organization call the race and anyone who is against illegal immigration is a racist. What’s wrong with this picture?
OK hypocrite. My freedom of speech say’s I’m against illegal immigration and amnesty. Call it racist if you like. Whatever. My vote counts as one vote, over 85 % of Americans agree with me. You are entitled to your opinion and you have one vote too. We disagree. I don’t believe in illegal immigration and we’ve had enough amnesty.
Give an Idiot A Key Board and Mouse
October 18th, 2009
4:22 pm
Why is it racist to disagree with amnesty and illegal immigration?
Give an Idiot A Key Board and Mouse
October 18th, 2009
4:24 pm
I see. Anyone who disagress with illegal immigration will be painted an racist, so you better vote for amnesty.
Give an Idiot A Key Board and Mouse
October 18th, 2009
4:25 pm
Im against amnesty too. Whats that got to do with freedom of speech? I think we should close the boarders. AND? How is that Racist?
Lou Dobbs gets a smackdown
October 18th, 2009
4:32 pm
No dude we are 2 different people.
ufø
October 18th, 2009
4:39 pm
White people are funny.
ufø
October 18th, 2009
4:45 pm
Yeah, most of you guys are racist but still funny.
A Tribe Called Quest
October 18th, 2009
4:50 pm
Let all of these scrub training camp invitees (Juan Dixon? Please — the guy has been garbage since he won the national championship at Maryland) go and sign my man Jerry Stackhouse. We don’t need Mario West or Garrett Siler who went to Augusta State Community College
niremetal
October 18th, 2009
4:53 pm
let’s not get too carried away, because we’re only dealing in opinions here
Heh – Ken, I really want you to look back over your posts as well as the posts you were responding to, and ask who was getting “carried away.” No hate for you man, but just sayin – you were the one out in front pounding your proverbial shoe on the table about this.
ufø
October 18th, 2009
4:58 pm
Lou Dobbs trust me, La Raza is not a racist organization they don’t go to the streets and kill blacks or whites.
Your skin head friends and your KKK organization do.
Lou Dobbs gets a smackdown
October 18th, 2009
5:08 pm
Lou Dobbs my racist friend, go to youtube and see the 2009 gold cup final.
You will love it.
Never mind that would only make you hate mexicans even more.
Hahahaha!
Lou Dobbs
October 18th, 2009
5:10 pm
Dude Im black, and I agree with Lou Dobbs, no amnesty. Its it to much to ask for you to go back to mexico and build the nation up? is it too much to ask you to apply the correct way for citizenship? Is it too much to ask you to love your neighbor? If La Raza is not about promoting the race of mexicans then why call it the race? Why not the group for citizenship of the group for the help of poor people? La Raza pomotes race and anyone who is against amnesty will be branded a racist by an ethnic group called the race. I dont see them reaching out to all races and peoples. Just the mexican race, Which to them is “the race”.
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October 18th, 2009
5:13 pm
Please dont use my name in your discussion of race “Lou Dobbs gets a smackdown”. Im for America too. I also think a group called the race is promoting one race and is therefore racist. I am also against illegal immigration and I want tighter boarders. If you leave my name out of it, I leave this one between you and Lou Dobbs. By the way, Im Black too.
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October 18th, 2009
5:15 pm
I dont hate mexicans, I dont like the way they violate this country’s laws. It is un-neighborly.