Jamal Crawford's already stirred things up in practice. Hawks fans should expect more of the same all season long from the gifted scorer and passer.
HAWKSVILLE – We’re a week into training camp and one thing is clear, this Hawks team set to take the floor this season is a much improved bunch from the one that left the floor in that series against Cleveland to end last season.
How much better is still up for debate.
But it’s clear that this team has a chance to get back to where it finished last year and perhaps beyond, based on the early vibes emanating from the Hawks’ practice court.
“This is by far the best group and the best first week of camp we’ve had in my time here,” one keen observer noted after Sunday’s practice. “Not since Steve Smith and Mookie Blaylock have we had a group like this that could get it from the first guy through 12.”
Watching Jamal Crawford explode the way he did in Sunday’s scrimmage was the first real indicator of just how deep and potentially explosive this team could be. He didn’t just attack the Blue team (starters and a couple reserves), he went directly at Joe Johnson (haven’t seen anyone do that before now either) with the scrimmage on the line and finished (Joe had an open look from the corner that could have won it for the Blue team but his jumper didn’t fall). While it was a bit of a shock to the system of those that have been watching the Hawks the past few years, Crawford didn’t seem particularly fazed by his performance. I mean, he’s not cocky in the least bit but the man knows he’s good. He knows he can score at will, regardless of who is trying to guard him. I think everyone else knows it now.
“With Jamal and Jeff Teague, we have a dynamic we haven’t had since I’ve been here,” said Hawks forward Josh Smith. “We’re bringing two guards off the bench that can score every bit as good as our starting guards. That’s a nasty group right there, when you can put your backup guards in and still keep the pressure on. If we do it right, we’re going to be coming at you from so many different angles that you’re going to need a while to figure out where it’s coming from. And hopefully by then, we’ll have shifted into another gear on you and made you think it all over again. It’s going to be fun to see us in action once we get this thing cranked up.”
Everyone seems to have an opinion. So what better time to tap our friendly neighborhood Hater of the Millennium for his take on all things Hawks? Blog-Z has been in attendance for all of the portions of camp outsiders have been allowed to view (and thanks to the Mad VP and the media alert being on red, we haven’t seen as much as we’re used to). So we asked him for some quick thoughts on camp and what it’s looked like from his perspective.
Hawks Blog: So you saw Jamal Crawford get loose Sunday, how good was he?
Blog Z: He was crazy good. But the thing he and Jeff Teague bring that no one is talking is about is that they push JJ and Mike Bibby to play at a higher level, even in practice. Bibby’s been as good as anyone in training camp. He’s shooting lights out. He’s defending and finding guys in stride and he’s leading the team the way you’d expect from a seasoned veteran. But yeah, even the hater in me can’t deny that these guards are going to make for an interesting mix. They’re just so explosive on the offensive end. And Crawford’s best and probably most underrated asset is that he’s a much more complete player than he gets credit for. It’s scary how good he is when you consider all the mess he’s taken over the years for being on crappy teams.
HB: So maybe you’re more excited about this team than you were earlier in the summer, when you said you didn’t see any major improvements and that this team has no chance of shaking up the top three of the Eastern Conference?
BZ: And maybe you’re more interested in writing scripts than you are reporting what someone actually said. Read my lips player, I remain committed to the facts. The Hawks didn’t go crazy this summer and find that missing piece to the championship puzzle. Don’t get ahead of yourself. Crawford is a monster addition. he’s going to be great in this town, on this team and in the role they have slotted for him. But he alone isn’t the answer to the bigger question of whether or not this team (as presently constituted) is capable of challenging for a top three spot. I say no.
HB: Will you at least admit that this team has a chance to shock some people this season?
BZ: I won’t admit to anything. And these “people” you’re talking about, where might they be? I saw what the national experts had to say about the Hawks this season. They don’t seem particularly convinced that this team is going to shock the world. Now one of my guys, you all know him as RA, took offense to what the experts had to say. He sent me this email Sunday:

Knocking off Miami in seven games last year wasn't enough for Josh Smith and the Hawks to convince the national pundits that they are for real.
Thanks for showing what the rest of the sports writing universe has to say about our Hawks, but in reading their…appraisals, I noticed several glaring omissions:
Ian Thomsen mentions implies that Hawks ownership is cheap and while he does add that the moves that they’ve made this offseason were all “winning moves” he does not fully explore the impact that those moves can make. For example, what is it going to mean for this team to have Crawford, who can come in and spell Joe Johnson while at the same time being able get his own shot from anywhere and set up his teammates. What is it going to mean to have Joe Smith’s experience and physical play on the roster, and Collins who gives the Hawks another big body off the bench that they just didn’t have before? I feel like those additions were simply dismissed as bargain basement pickups representing an unwillingness (or inability) of the Hawks brass to go out and get front line talent. I feel that his assessment is incomplete, at best.
As for A.J. Adande’s assertions that the Hawks don’t have star power, I beg to differ. Joe Johnson has become a perennial all-star, Mike Bibby was making his bones in the Western Conference finals when Howard was cutting his wisdom teeth, and Josh Smith is pound for pound one of the most exciting players in the game. Now, none of the aforementioned have any championships, but last time I checked neither did [Dwight] Howard or King James. Also, if the Detroit Pistons of the early 90’s taught us anything, it’s that you don’t have to have a “Superstar.” You just need depth, talent, and proper leadership. I feel that Mr. Adande is ignoring the fact that at least two of these factors, possibly three, are in place.
Of all the experts that you cited, I feel that [Yahoo! Sports' Marc] Spears was the most fair. Of course, I think that he should have reserved his statement about the Hawks not finishing strong in the playoffs. The Hawks had three starters who were either out or hobbled in the second round vs. Cleveland. To be honest, they made a much better showing in games three and four than I ever would have expected. Under the circumstances of what they were dealing with, I don’t know many teams that could have done better and very few that might have done as well.
Like I said, I don’t think that the journalism for Atlanta has been fair or balanced, but I do hope that other teams take it seriously because it would be nice to sneak up on a few teams, although I doubt very seriously that that’s going to happen…
HB: Man, you’re a complete hater. You’ve even got RA hating on the national cats. I know Michigan got popped Saturday by Michigan State an all, but can’t you let go of your personal biases long enough to talk Hawks? I mean, surely you’ve seen some things in Hawks’ training camp that please you?
BZ: You would bring up the Michigan game (ya little punk). I ought to slap the … what was the question again?
HB: Some things that please you so far?
BZ: I didn’t say this group wasn’t impressive. It’s clear they’ve got a core group of about 10 players capable of competing against anyone on a given night. They had an adequate group last year and they added a couple of good players to that mix. But I’m not ready to anoint them or anything. I’m just taking a wait and see approach to this season, like most wise observers would. A good first week of training camp has never won anything. In fact, there isn’t much this team can show me in the preseason that will sway me one way or the other. I need to see what they at the end of this season and in the playoffs. That’s when they can prove to me that they’re moving into that upper echelon. Pump your brakes son. Building all these off the wall expectations and feeding all this hype is what will land a team in the hole if things don’t start right once the real games begin.
HB: Well, what about the guys trying to snag that final roster spot. Has anyone caught your eye?
BZ: I could make a reasonable case for just about every single guy. Othello Hunter’s activity and potential make him an enticing candidate. Same goes for Frank Robinson. With Mario West I know what I’m getting, and it’s usually all good because his motor revs at all times. Courtney Sims has the size and skill set you want in a big but I don’t know if he makes sense either. Aaron Miles has probably been the most surprising guy of the bunch for me, only because I didn’t realize he was this good. And what you get in experience with Mike Wilks and Juan Dixon makes up for their lack of ideal size and bulk at the position [point guard]. The one guy that keeps coming back into my head is the big boy, Garret Siler. He’s going to find a spot somewhere, maybe not this year but eventually, and you’d hate to have him now and let him go only to see him show up a year or two now helping some other team. And with all that said, there might be a better player and a better fit that falls through the training camp crack elsewhere. In any respect, this is a good problem to have, watching eight guys scrap it out for one roster spot. Another benefit of having a quality group like this is that if you need a replacement player throughout the season for any reason, you can reach back and grab one of these guys that showed well during training camp.
HB: For some super hater, you’re not nearly as nasty as you’ve been in the past. What’s with nice routine?
BZ: There’s nothing nice going on here partner. I’m just a little under the weather right now. All this rain has me in the dumps. But I’ll be back and hating better than ever before too long.
HB: So we can hit you up in a few weeks for some post training camp assessments?
BZ: There you go making stuff up again. I didn’t say all that chump. Lose my number!
289 comments Add your comment
The Truth
October 5th, 2009
3:47 pm
Sekou
This comment:
it’s clear to me that a swingman that can work behind Marvin Williams and Josh Smith (in particular) is what best serves this team right now.
Just curious, what player did we invite to camp matched that description?
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October 5th, 2009
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Mike N.
October 5th, 2009
3:53 pm
Truth…I was asking myself the same question. Seems the only one even close is Hunter although he is more a PF then SF. Maybe Robinson but I have never seen him play so couldn’t tell you what kind of offensive game he has. And if this is the case then it gives the Bigs like Siler or SIms even less a chance of making the team if we are only going to keep one guy. It will be interesting.
niremetal
October 5th, 2009
3:53 pm
As far as what the Hawks need, it’s clear to me that a swingman that can work behind Marvin Williams and Josh Smith (in particular) is what best serves this team right now.
Hmmmmmm…Othello Hunter, anyone?
The Truth,
I listed some of the same people when we had this discussion earlier, and I tried to list all the undrafted rotation players who have emerged in the past decade.
But it’s both amusing and misleading that you say “just to name a few.” The list is 10 guys or less, even if you’re being generous. You left off Jannero Pargo, Kelenna Azibuke, Raja Bell (1999), and Chris Andersen (1999). Wallace and Bowen turned pro well over 10 years from now. Technically, Boykins and Miller are both from 11 years ago, but I’ll include them for the sake of argument. Foreign players operated under such a complicated set of rules with respect to the draft before the most recent CBA that they’re a whole different discussion (especially since none of the guys in the Hawks camp is an overseas player).
We’re talking about 8-10 guys from the last decade. That means that of all of roughly 150 undrafted players who show up for minicamp and training camp each year, about 1 per year will become a rotation player at some point in their NBA careers. And note that most of them only become rotation players on bad teams.
So listing 6 guys isn’t “just to name a few.” It’s naming almost all of them.
In any case, no one’s saying we should cut ALL of these guys. But I would hesitate to sign more than one, and I sure as hell wouldn’t sign three. What jerrywest said was totally accurate – when a player goes undrafted it usually means they lack either the talent or the training, and in either case, the almost never overcome those drawbacks and become rotation players in the NBA.
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October 5th, 2009
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thehawksleftthenest
October 5th, 2009
4:10 pm
sorry but we are still not better than the top 3 in the east fat joe so dont count on that… but i think were a solid lock for 4th place
Black Sheep
October 5th, 2009
4:18 pm
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The Jungle Brothers
October 5th, 2009
4:19 pm
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cp
October 5th, 2009
4:32 pm
No more Mario. He is an undersized sg who cant shoot, dribble, or hit free throws. The feel good story faded away last year. Time to move on from the kid. Hunter and Siler and call it a day.
Sekou Smith
October 5th, 2009
4:33 pm
Your question has already been answered Truth. Don’t forget that NBA TV (and NBA.com) will be at practice tomorrow with live looks at the happenings. And Woody promised a twist for the Blue-White scrimmage tomorrow that could shake things up a bit. I’m going to remind him to stick to it tomorrow morning.
rich
October 5th, 2009
4:38 pm
I liked Mario untill the playoffs last year when he became a Libility with the injuries . Other teams didn’t guard him because wasn’t going to shoot. Sign Hunter for the Roster . Sign Siler stick him in D league for the year .
I agree with I mus write on Standings . I see Boston finishing behind Atlanta , age is going to catch up with them.
The Truth
October 5th, 2009
4:49 pm
niremetal
If you are going to jump on the “just to name a few”
who said anything about the “last decade”
Also:
“Hmmmmmm…Othello Hunter, anyone?”
I had the same thoughts as Mike N. about him
Jerry Stackhouse...
October 5th, 2009
4:52 pm
If the Hawks are serious about a Championship doesn’t it make sense to grab this veteran All-star while availabe? He apparently still has alot left – after raving reviews from Hawks pick-up camp.
Isn’t there a need for a backup 3? Right now Marvin is the only true SF on the team. Certainly, regular minutes are scarce but its the playoff run we need to concern ourselves about. Last season, we got nicked and threw up the white flag. Yes, it was very GAY and I would like to spare myself from that type of exhibition again.
Celts, Cavs, Spurs, Lakers, Mavs, etc. always find room for former All-star veterans – just for that reason – they expect to go far and they know they’ll need quality play down the stretch.
For the same reasons we like Joe Smith, we oughtta love Stackhouse.
jerrywest
October 5th, 2009
4:53 pm
Minutes behind Marvin (at small forward): Josh, Mo Evans, JJ, Joe Smith.
Minutes behind Josh (at power forward): Horford, Marvin, Joe Smith, Zaza.
Minutes behind Horford (at center): Zaza, Joe Smith, Jason Collins.
Minutes behind Bibby (at point guard): Crawford, JJ, Teague.
Minutes begind JJ (at shooting guard): Crawford, Mo Evans.
In every position we have at least 3 other guys who can really play. Do we? Oh no!!! At shooting guard we have only 2. One of them is a defensive liability and the other one is an offensive liability. They are both got something missing.
Looking at the above list tell me who fits in better with the Hawks than Stackhouse. We can have him at Veteran minimum and he will make us so much superior on the road. Who else is there?
jerrywest
October 5th, 2009
4:56 pm
I saw the lakers and boston practices.
Boston looks professional and they really want it. Rondo looks like he gained a lot of muscles. I still think this team will be devastated by injury by the playoffs.
Can’t wait to see Hawks practice tomorrow.
PDubATL
October 5th, 2009
4:58 pm
I’ll have to agree to disagree on carrying 13+ on the roster. Sure, money is tight and even minimum contracts cost something, but the 13th and 14th spots can be swapped situationally. I hope we’ll sign a swingman to back up Marvin/Mo/JSmoove (Stack, Hunter or Green 800k!!!) and a biggun (Siler). Siler would primarily be used to toughen guys up in practice (which from a developmental standpoint for Siler is probably better than the D-League) and may see some limited minutes against Shaq/Howard.
jerrywest
October 5th, 2009
5:02 pm
We are one JJ or Marvin injury away from exposing our butt$ at SG & SF positions. Just get another 2 way player Jerry Stackhouse, and he wil make us scary good.
The Truth
October 5th, 2009
5:09 pm
PDubATL
Good point
Karry
October 5th, 2009
5:37 pm
Best Crawford Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ3nxkycszw
Brian
October 5th, 2009
5:51 pm
I think the last final roster spot should go to Frank Robinson. This guy can flat out play basketball. He has tenacious D, his energy on the court is contagious and it’s hard not to love watching him play, basically he can do it all. I’m a huge Hawks fan, and I would love to see this guy make the team. He deserves more credit.
rms
October 5th, 2009
5:53 pm
DOUG: Maybe I am wrong about Crawford (I certainly hope so), its just so easy to get caught up in the preseason hype that I dont wont to be let down when we get deep into the regular season. What I really wont to know is if Horford postup game has improved to the point that he can be a force down low. I am not really hearing that and it has me worried a bit.
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October 5th, 2009
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Doug
October 5th, 2009
6:09 pm
rms: I think you will be surprised and pleased with Crawford–As to AH and his post up game…that is going to be a more long term project I fear…it is probably just as or more important that he become more consistent at the 15-17 ft J…which I think reports are more positive in that direction. For those who think Boston will slip…I fear you are really reaching…went to camp last week and they are REALLY focused and Rasheed looks really good! Garnett is on an absolute mission…now their age and injury propensity could be their undoing but as it stands they are really, really good!!
A Thinking Fan
October 5th, 2009
6:10 pm
When’s game time?
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October 5th, 2009
6:58 pm
Game time:
pre season: Oct. 23 on ESPN
Season: Oct. 28 vs Pacers on fsn or sportsouth
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The Truth
October 5th, 2009
7:15 pm
niremetal
I wasn’t kidding when I said “just to name a few”. Here is a list of undrafted NBA players from just the period 1993-2007 to add to my previous list.
By the way, your beloved player Mo Evans is also on the list. What a coincidence.
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October 5th, 2009
7:18 pm
Sekou:
Can you tell me if you think the hawks should trade JJ? I think they should.
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October 5th, 2009
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Mz. Hawkdafied
October 5th, 2009
7:30 pm
The Hawks and Orlando can’t both be in the top three because they are in the same division. The top three positions belong to those teams who win the division. For the Hawks to get a top 3 spot they are gonna have to focus on having a better record than Orlando, Washington, Charlotte, and Miami. And if the Hawks want to have a top 1 or 2 spot then they would have to focus on having a better record than the other 14 teams in the eastern conference, particularly Cleveland and Boston since most assume they will be holding those spots. Long story short, Orlando and Hawks will never be in the top three together unless one team moves to another division.
Melvin
October 5th, 2009
7:32 pm
From Hoopshype:
“While Stackhouse worked out with the Hawks late in the summer – to rave reviews from beat writer Sekou Smith – Atlanta was never a very serious option for him. There was some contact with Houston, according to Stackhouse, but the Tar Heel is mostly looking to join a contender, which obviously the Rockets are not at this point.”
http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/sierra/2009/10/05/stack-not-ready-to-retire/
Sekou, can you tell Sund that the Hawks Fans are screaming for them to sign Stackhouse….
Mz. Hawkdafied
October 5th, 2009
7:34 pm
Although I want to see the Hawks destroy the Celtics this season, I’ll be a much happier fan seeing them be the top dog in the SE Division. Orlando, Washington, Miami, and Charlotte must be defeated.
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October 5th, 2009
7:36 pm
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Melvin
October 5th, 2009
7:46 pm
Pretty impressive link Truth. Your move Nire….
niremetal
October 5th, 2009
7:46 pm
The Truth,
Um…since when do I love Mo Evans?
I was using the last decade as a convenient frame of time, and stretched it to 11 years just to make the point. Yes, I missed Mo Evans. I also missed Ronnie Price. Whoops. That makes it 12 rotation players instead of 10. Wow, incredible comeback. My whole argument just unraveled with that startling revelation.
Look at that list again. It’s not a list of rotation players. It seems to be just a list of guys who made NBA rosters that were undrafted. My point was tell me how many of them became rotation players – ie guys who played regular minutes over the course of a full season (and even that is a minimalist definition…or else you’d have to say that guys like Hanno Mottola and Roshown McLeod were “rotation players”). Because I can tell you by no stretch of the imagination are Donnell Taylor and Alan Anderson rotation players. In fact, here is Donnell Taylor’s career stats page:
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/donell_taylor/career_stats.html
That’s right. He never played in a single NBA game. So clearly, making that list you sent me is no big accomplishment.
Why don’t you go after the point of my argument instead of the details. I’ll be REALLY generous this time to make the point. Let’s say that in the past 15 years, 45 undrafted players have become rotation players – that’s DOUBLE the proportion that I gave before and probably exceeds the actual proportion by a good margin (considering that that list you sent only includes 76 players, and a quick glance will show that most of them were NOT rotation players). That means that 2 players each year out of ALL the undrafted rookies who show up to camp across the NBA end up EVER being a rotation player in the NBA. I’ll be generous AGAIN and say that each NBA team brings an average of 2 undrafted rookies to their training camp each year. That’s 60 undrafted rookies every year, 2 of whom will become rotation players at some point.
Why on earth would we then want to burn THREE roster spots this year when the odds of each of them ever becoming an NBA player is 1 in 30 and the odds of them being a rotation player for a good team are even lower?
niremetal
October 5th, 2009
7:49 pm
Actually, that’s triple the proportion I gave before, not double (I switched and forgot to update before I hit send). The numbers then scale down to 3 per year and 1 in 20 instead of 1 in 30. But the overall point, I hope, is clear…
james
October 5th, 2009
7:52 pm
RMS- Crawford never went through training camp with the Warriors he left the knicks (mid November) who he helped to be above .500 for the first time in about 4 years to a GS team who was below .500 already .
niremetal
October 5th, 2009
7:55 pm
Heh…sloppy work by me on Donell Taylor too. He played 2 seasons for the Wizards, playing in 51 and 47 games and averaging about 8.5 minutes per game total. Still not a rotation player, but he did at least get into some games. But again…the overall point is why hang onto these guys when the odds are overwhelming that they will peak at the level of a Donell Taylor (or less) when we could leave the roster spot open in case we get nailed with injuries and can pick up a cheap veteran on the market?
niremetal
October 5th, 2009
8:01 pm
And finally, I should point out that a disproportionate number of the guys on Truth’s list who were rotation players got drafted in the early-to-mid 90’s. Now that scouting is such a refined art and is so intertwined with the personnel side of the organization, you see fewer and fewer guys who go undrafted “slip through the cracks” to become relevant in the NBA. That’s why as time goes on, we see fewer and fewer late 2nd round and undrafted players ever making a dent in the NBA.
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October 5th, 2009
8:37 pm
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Ariose
October 5th, 2009
8:47 pm
……just bringing an old point back up. but y’all know Tayshaun Prince is on the Block in Detriot right? They drafted 3 SF’s this summer, and I don’t know how they would go about trading Rip. They also need more beef. I say we sign a couple centers and use em’ in a deal….just an unimportant thought…
richbrave
October 5th, 2009
9:00 pm
SEKOU:
I really hate writing this. You will be able to pick up a great future PG if you just wait a bit. I think the WIZARDS are gonna’ dump JAVARIS CRITTENTON after camp, or offer him around. Just a hunch at this point, but they’ve got seven guards now, and his is the least expensive out at 1.477 million with club option in 2010/11. DIXON’S contract is up, and he’s gone. There’s sixteen in camp. VINCENT GRIER is trying to beat out PAUL DAVIS for the fifteenth spot. I’m betting neither makes the final roster. I don’t see the ‘ZARDS keeping but thirteen with the payroll they have. They need tax relief, and I think they’ll take the hit to get some much needed breathing room.
The Truth
October 5th, 2009
9:03 pm
niremetal
So I don’t drift into topics outside of the original discussion which I posed to jerrywest:
“If someone was not drafted, it usually means he either has insufficient talent or has not been trained enough in the formative years of his life. Either drawback is almost impossible to overcome.”
I was just making the point that there have been (and is) a good share of undrafted NBA that have played in the NBA. The suggestion was that some perceived drawback of UFA players made it almost impossible for them to have an NBA career. This list suggests otherwise. Regarding the new discussion that you raise, (How many UFA players were/are rotational players) I find that to be interesting as well. It would be good information to know and certainly worth checking into. That would be a good exercise for both of us to check out. It is hard to tell without doing some digging from this list.
As far as whether we should obtain 2 or 3 UFA players to fill-out the roster, I’m actually on the fence about that. Other then Mario, my knowledge of these players is mostly based on Sekou’s input. So I have no direct sense of these players’ real value. I could see a case for 2 and even for 3 depending on how good they are. We know how expensive the Bigs are on the market, so if we could get 3 undiscovered diamonds on the cheap then why not? I did say diamonds, so anything less is a case for less. I really don’t know the players well enough to judge.
I will be attending the preseason game on Wednesday so hopefully I will see things for myself and get to know these players better if they play.
i_am_soulstar
October 5th, 2009
9:13 pm
i think Mario West brings a lot of intangibles.. every team needs that high energy guy. But man, what is stopping us from just signing Stackhouse? We’d truly have the depth to compete with the Big 3
Sekou Smith
October 5th, 2009
9:22 pm
I don’t think they should do anything of the sort UFO. Trade JJ for what?
Melvin
October 5th, 2009
9:24 pm
Josh did say he was going to stop shooting 3’s. Here’s the proof..lol
http://www.nba.com/hawks/photogallery/2009_training_camp_day4.html?curPhoto=7
Sekou, does josh jumper/ball handling looks improved?
niremetal
October 5th, 2009
9:47 pm
The Truth,
Your last post takes the cake in this thread. Better reasoned than any of mine on this subject.
I guess my point is that the odds of us discovering any diamonds are extraordinarily low…more often than not, the undrafted ones turn out to be cubic zirconium
.
Also, not a major point, but worthy of note – the only players on that list who went to Hawks training camp were Esteban Batista, Jamaal Tatum…and Mike Wilks. I guess what goes around comes around, eh?
In any case, it’s a cost-benefit thing. If there are 2-3 training camp guys who are so stellar that we’d be insane to pass them up, then we should sign them. But if past is prologue, it is unlikely that even 1 of the training camp guys – much less 2 – will be someone we’ll ever hear about again after training camp.
I just don’t want us to use up roster spots that we might need if 3 or 4 injuries hit and Woody refuses to play our current 11th and 12th men, leaving us playing with a 7 or 8 player rotation and driving our starters into the ground again…
Sekou Smith
October 5th, 2009
9:50 pm
Josh took one bad shot today (the one in that picture) and had one silly turnover during the scrimmage, but other than that he’s looked dang good. He’s been blocking shots and offensive rebounding better than I’ve seen him do those things since before last season. His activity on both ends of the floor is crucial to the Hawks’ cause.