All smiles at Hawks media day

Joe Johnson, Josh Smith and Mike Bibby are all smiles at Hawks media day Monday. The real work at training camp kicked off Tuesday morning.

Joe Johnson, Josh Smith and Mike Bibby are all smiles at Hawks media day Monday. The real work at training camp kicked off Tuesday morning.

HAWKSVILLE – You’ve never seen so many smiling faces the day before training camp.

It wasn’t just the players. It was the coaches, the front office brass and even a good portion of the assembled media.

You’ve never seen so many smiling faces on the eve of a camp, at least not recently. And these weren’t forced smiles. These were the genuine kind, the ones you see on faces of teams bound for the playoffs.

It’s strange, in a good way, the effect winning has on people.

“On paper we looked good,” Hawks captain and All-Star Joe Johnson said from a corner of the practice court Monday afternoon. “We look real good on paper, so that’s why you see so many smiles around here right now. We’re excited about what this season holds. But the real work starts (in the morning). When the sweat hits the floor, that’s when you know what you’ve really got.”

There’s no doubt the Hawks have their deepest and most balanced training camp roster since I’ve been here, and at least two people in attendance Monday observed that it’s the most seasoned and accomplished group to assemble for a Hawks training camp in a decade.

“It’s going to be interesting,” Marvin Williams said. “Our team itself is pretty deep, probably the deepest team we’ve had since I’ve been here. You could split this group for camp up into four groups of five and have some nasty competition. I know there won’t be any drop off when that second unit is on the floor. but we’ll see in the morning. We’ll see all week.”

Williams admitted to never being terribly excited for a “training camp” but confessed that he’s been eager for Tuesday’s start of real action for quite some time. “Our team has gotten better and we have some new guys that we’re all excited to see in action,” he said, “and I think that’s where the real intrigue comes in for everybody.”

One of the new guys, rookie point guard Jeff Teague, put the finishing touches on the meet and greet portion of his experience with his new teammates Monday. He finally got a chance to meet Joe Smith, the one player he had yet to see since being drafted by the Hawks in June.

“The thing you realize when you see everybody here together is that there’s already a great nucleus in place,” Teague said. “It’s something to be a part of. So you get in here now and realize that you want to get off to a good start and get things rolling right away.”

They kicked things off Monday with a team dinner, a function where Hawks coach Mike Woodson said he would lay out some specifics for his team  regarding goals and detailed responsibilities for this season.

“The message is that expectations are always high from where I sit,” Woodson said. “And you can’t be scared of it, you can’t run from it. I’m not scared. I’m not running from it. And the fact that expectations are high means that we have to now try and take that next step. The next step is trying to be in that elite group.”

I reached out to several members of the national media about that very topic regarding the Hawks and received some interesting feedback. While it certainly seems like a possibility, no one is ready to bet house money on the Hawks doing so. 

“The NBA remains a league that belongs to the superstars, and unfortunately for them they have none,” ESPN.com’s J.A. Adande wrote in an email. “They have talent and now there’s experience and cohesion to go with it, but they don’t have that one guy who can singlehandedly take over a playoff game on the road. Kobe, Shaq and Tim Duncan played on eight of the 10 championship teams between this decade. The Hawks don’t have anyone of that caliber, not to mention the updated Eastern mix of LeBron James, Dwight Howard and Boston’s Big 3. Because of the consistency the Hawks learned last year they could get to the second round — if the Bulls don’t beat them out for that final berth in the conference semis.”

Marc Spears of Yahoo! Sports expressed similar concerns about the Hawks vaulting into that upper tier of the Eastern Conference for the same reasons.

“I think the Hawks’ situation is interesting because more is expected because they were ablet o take another step to the Eastern conference semifinals last year,” he said. “But no one seems to be talking about them in that realm with the big three in the conference. Everybody is talking about Boston, Cleveland and Orlando in the East. So I still think they have a chip on their shoulder.  And if you think about it, this team is going to be better for a lot of reasons. First, they’ve got another year of experience and they’re more playoff tested. They were able to re-sign key players and didn’t lose anybody of importance. Their one major weakness, their bench, was aided in impressive fashion, with Jamal Crawford, Joe Smith and Jason Collins and the rookie Teague, all guys that can start if someone gets hurt. So if you look at the Hawks, they’re actually better than they were a year ago. I think what’s hurt them is the fact that they didn’t finish strong in the playoffs, even with their injury problems. And that kept people from taking them seriously as a team that has a chance to move up into that top three. I do see this as a dangerous team with a chip on their shoulder. When it’s all said and done, it’ll be interesting to see if the Hawks take another step forward and live up to their expectations or everybody else’s.”

We’ve talked about it many times around here since that Cleveland series. But what are your realistic expectations for this team this season?

I like Mike Bibby’s take on things, personally, simple but true.

“We got it on paper all day,” Bibby said. “We just have to put it together. Everybody has to have one main goal this season and that main goal is to win. Everything else will take care of itself if we’re operating with that as our No. 1 goal at all times. Individual goals have to be set aside for team goals.”

310 comments Add your comment

dap01

September 30th, 2009
8:06 am

The Hawks have offered JJ $15 per year for 4 years. That is guaranteed money. Regardless of the economy, I don’t believe that he is getting more. Who is going to pay him more?

vava74

September 30th, 2009
8:55 am

Another thought:

When JJ underperformed in the playoffs, everyone was saying that he was not being aggressive and that he was not taking over games…

I distinctively remember that he tried his best to beat double and triple teams in order to find a good shot or to a pass to someone free (which was way more frequent than him forcing bad shots).

Now that he has not signed the extension, he is a ball hog… if he was a selfish guy, wouldn’t he have shot more? His FG% in the playoffs was poor, however, it was only 2% worse than during the regular season (.020) which does not necessarily translate in to him being selfish.

He was the victim of a unbalanced system which was exposed by a stronger competition, bad refereeing and further undermined by Marvin and Al’s injuries (and, of course, by his own ankle sprain).

Anyone bashing JJ is being incredibly ungrateful.

Daniel

September 30th, 2009
9:03 am

Joe is not going to sign the extension. By any measure, this is not a good thing for the Hawks. I completely understand from Joe’s position. He only stands to gain financially unless he has some catastrophic injury. So, I can’t be mad at him (well, I can because I am a fan and by nature unreasonable). The Hawks made a legit offer, so I don’t think I can be mad at him. I think it is smart to go ahead and make the announcement now, so the speculation doesn’t run all season long. I don’t think the announcement changes one iota the teams outlook for the season. But, lord have mercy the next off season is going to be stressful. When people suggest that we can replace Joe, they haven’t been watching. Sure Kobe, Lebron, D.Wade(maybe) would be an upgrade but we are not getting any of those guys. Rip Hamilton is not on Joe’s level. I will try to put this out of my mind as soon as possible, and hope that during the off season we can resign Joe.

Daniel

September 30th, 2009
9:03 am

I meant mad at the Hawks(them)

Daniel

September 30th, 2009
9:04 am

dap01- New York, New Jersey, Phoenix, Miami, Clevland

ILL-logical

September 30th, 2009
9:11 am

A bit of clarification is in order, I believe. Jamal Crawford was obtained as an insurance policy in the event that Mike Bibby did resign AND if Joe Johnson did not either. Mr. Sund ’s move was essentially revenue neutral because when the salaries of Acie Law, Calvin Claxton and Ronald Murray culmlatively are compared with Jamal Crawford’s , it is a wash. In addition, the 1 for 3 swap allowed Mr. Sund to bring both Joe Smith and Jason Collins without having to delete any key personnel and within the team’s budget.

With some additional assets and a relatively stable payroll, Mr. Sund is now afforded some financial flexibilty: he has made an intial offer, albeit lowball, offer to Joe Johnson to demonstrate the organizations desire to retain his services and he now has the ability to trade every other featured player on the roster to improve the team at any point in the season or in the summer.Not bad for a country boy.

Joe Johnson will get paid whether it is here or someplace else. He will however have to show more leadership both on and off the court to get there. He is going to have to do “star” type things if he wants to earn “star” money. Hiding out in Arkansas every year will no longer be an option if he wants to be among the league’s elite. Me, I hope that he achieves his goals here by making his teammates and the team better on the court and representing the organization in a visible and positive manner off of the court.

The Truth

September 30th, 2009
11:07 am

niremetal

Apology Accepted; a toast to one of your characters that is much admired.

Most of the credit to my JJ comments goes to Sekou for breaking an apparently drafted version followed by a more thorough version to a very sensitive story. The best way to clarify my quote you referenced so that it is not taken out of context is to playback the full version:

“JJ is the only player to publicly state that he wants out during training camp.”

“He can’t be compared with Josh, Bibby, or Marvin in their contract year because they weren’t offered extensions. Their drama all happened in the summer and ended before training camp. JJ is the only player to publicly state that he wants out during training camp. That sounds like a motivational killer to me to an emerging team that is looking to do special things this year.”

My response suggests I am frustrated as well. The JJ reference is the only player meaning JJ being the only Hawk player is based the notion that actions speaks louder than words. Since he was vague about the matter, then his actions is left to rule. I mean literally rule: He’s not going to re-sign means he’s going to end his relationship with the Hawks at the end of the season. Yes, you are correct; I unfairly put those unspoken words in his mouth. He didn’t actually say those words, but the drafted or short version left those thoughts. Maybe he should have said more; well he actually did talk about the team and individual goals in the extended version. It is nothing wrong with reading those things you suggested between the lines that he might stay, I really hope he does, but his option of leaving is equally creditable. Do we stand with Sund or do we stand with JJ that is the question? Sund has already indicated that the Hawks ownership is not an abundantly funded franchise. So if JJ is posturing for max dollars then that could be a problem for various reasons. But enough with this speculation, let’s just enjoy the season and hope for the best.

WTF!!!

September 30th, 2009
11:22 pm

WHAT THE HELL, WHY ARE YALL MAD @ JOE CAUSE HE WON’T SIGN , DAMN IF YALL CAN READ AND STOP TRYING TO MAKE IT BIGGER THEN WHAT IT IS, HE CLEARLY SAID HE’S NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT NOW, WHY??? CAUSE THAT WILL CAUSE SO MUCH ATTENTION ON HIM, HE TOLD YALL HE IS WORRIED ABOUT THE TEAM, AND TAKEN THEM TO THE NEXT LEVEL, THE HAWKS HAD ALL SUMMER TO OFFER HIM , AND NOW WHEN TRAINING CAMP COMES THEY WANT TO DO IT, THATS NOT HOW U HANDLE BUSINESS, ITS PRACTICE TIME, U DO THAT ON UR OWN TIME, AND THATS THE OFF SEASON, AND YALL KEEP COMPARING JOE TO WADE AND JAMES, HE WOULD KILL BOTH OF THEM 1 ON 1, AND U SEE WHAT HE DID TO KOBE LAST YEAR HELD HIM UNDER 15 POINTS, AND CROSSED HIM OVER, I DONT KNOW WHAT GAMES YALL LOOKIN AT, I GUESS CAUSE HE’S NOT ON SPORTCENTER TOP 10 EVERY NIGHT DUNKIN ON PEOPLE OR CAUSE HES NOT ON ANY COMMERCIALS, YALL FORGOT IF IT WASNT FOR HIM THERE WOULDNT BE NO PLAYOFFS, NO MORE THEN 13 GAMES WON, NO GAME 7 AGAINST THE CELTICS, NO SECOND ROUND AGAINST CLEVELAND, HE GAVE WADE THE BUSINESS SHOOTING EVERY WHERE ON HIS ASS EVEN FROM THE WING OF THE BIRD, BUT YALL STILL WANT TO DOG THIS MAN, HE PLAYED THROUGH A SPRAINED ANKLE, AND NEVER COMPLAINED ABOUT NOTHING, NOW THATS A PLAYER WITH HEART, WADE, KOBE, AND JAMES, HAD A SUPPORTING CAST THAT THEY CAN DUMP IT OFF TO ANYTIME THEY WILL MAKE A SHOT, JOE DIDNT, ITS NOT ABOUT HOW MANY POINTS YOU SCORING ITS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS, KOBE HAS ONE CAUSE OF SHAQ, WADE HAS ONE BECAUSE OF SHAQ AND OTHER ALLSTARS ON THE TEAM, LEBRON HES OUT THE PICTURE HE SUCKS EVERYTIME IN THE PLAYOFFS, YALL JUST SOME D!@% RIDERS, DONT KNOW NOTHING BOUT A GAME, AND DONT WATCH I SEE, JUST A BUNCH OF BLOGGERS TRYING TO GET ATTENTION, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY YALL THE ONES UPSET, BLOWING YALL BRAINS OUT, WHILE THEY JUST CHILLIN LAUGHING AT YALL ASS, WHILE THEY GETTIN PAYED AND HITTING THE CLUB AFTER A WIN OR LOSE POPPING BOTTLES ON YALL LAMES, KEEP HATING ON HIM AND WISH HIM AWAY, I PROMISE BASKETBALL WILL NOT BE THE SAME AROUND HERE, IT WILL BE BACK TO 13 GAMES, MAR MY WORD, AND WHOS SAYS JOSH SMITH CAN CARRY THE TEAM, MAN PLEASE, KILL YO SELF, HE CANT DRIBBLE OR SHOOT, NO LOW POST MOVES AT ALL, ALL HE CAN DO IS GIVE U ONE GOOD BLOCK, AND A HIGHLIGHT DUNK, BIBBY CAN SHOOT BUT NO DEFENSE, AL CAN REBOUND BUT NO OFFENSE AND JUST A LIL DEFENSE, BUT KNO LOW POST MOVES, MARVIN TOO CLUMSEY,AND YALL CAN BLAME IT ON THE COACH ALL DAY, HE JUST DONT HAVE THE PLAYERS, BUT JOE THATS WHY HE USED HIM SO MUCH, GET YALL FACTS RIGHT MAN BUT THE HAWKS WILL BE BETTER THEN EVER THIS YEAR, THIS IS THE SUPRISE TEAM, GO HAWKS!!! AND JOE JOHNSON #2 ALOT OF YALL HATE HIM BUT I PROMISE MANY MORE PEOPLE LOVE HIM!!!! REMBER THAT!!

Romase

October 3rd, 2009
5:59 pm

jwilli120

October 9th, 2009
12:35 pm

did anybody remember the detroit pistons a couple of years ago ??
they didn’t have a true superstar and won a title!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!