Crawford makes a great first impression

 

 

Hawks fans are going to get a full dose of Jamal Crawford this season and it should be an exciting show.

Hawks fans are going to get a full dose of Jamal Crawford this season and if first impressions count for anything, it should be an exciting show.

HAWKSVILLE – From the minute Jamal Crawford hit the door Monday all eyes were on the Hawks’ newest addition (well, so to speak).

And he didn’t disappoint, not that anything he could have done would have disappointed the crowd of players, many of them his new teammates, hoping to get a glimpse of him in Hawks’ practice duds.

“They’re going to be (expletive) good this year,” said a visiting pro from another NBA team. “You throw JC and Joe Smith and this kid [Jeff] Teague, and they’ve got some wrinkles now that they didn’t have last season. They were already a dangerous team and now they’re really dangerous. And knowing these fans down here and what they like, they’re going to love the style this team can play. They’re going to love JC.”

Crawford loves the idea of what this Hawks team could be. He was all smiles after playing a few pickup games with guys like Marvin Williams, Al Horford, Mike Bibby and others, for the very first time.

“If you look at us on paper, you know we should be pretty good,” Williams said, “but so far I’d have to say it looks even better than I thought. It’s impressive. It’s different. Everybody knows what Jamal is capable of. And Jeff can play, man. I don’t know any other way of saying it, he can just play. And it’ll be exciting when we get everybody in here and see how the pieces fit. I truly believe we are going to be one of the most explosive teams in the league.”

Crawford wasn’t even in scoring mode on his first day (training camp starts in one week but most of the main faces have already made it back to town or are on the way). He played the role of set-up man. “Everybody knows I can score a little bit,” Crawford said modestly. “I’m a good passer, too. I love to set guys up. I always have.”

A nasty no-look pass here, another wicked dish there and his teammates, not to mention everyone else in attendance,  had seen enough.

Horford couldn’t contain his glee while watching Crawford break down a defender in the lane on one play. He let out a loud yelp when Crawford’s crossover dribble whipped from one side to the other. Horford calmed down just in time to catch the pass (yup, he was on the floor and playing in the game but clearly enjoying the spectacle) of Crawford shredding yet another ill-fated attempt to slow him down.

“I couldn’t help it,” a smiling Horford would say later. “It’s fun to watch him got o work on somebody. I’m just excited, man. Training camp is going to be so competitive and it’s because we have some of these [new] guys coming in that will stir it up. I can’t wait to get going.”

OTHER NEW FACES

Crawford wasn’t the only new face to open a few eyes Monday. Training camp invitee Courtney Sims made his first appearance at the John “Beans” Beckett Invitational and did not disappoint.

Sims is a solid 6-11, 240-pounder that didn’t seem at all out of place banging against the likes of Horford, Randolph Morris, Othello Hunter and Garrett Siler – the other true bigs on the floor for most of Monday’s action. Sims finished with authority around the rim and was as active as any big running the floor and getting his hands dirty in the rebounding battles on both ends of the floor.

“We’re going to have so many bigs now that things will change dramatically for us,” Horford said of he, Josh Smith and Zaza Pachulia, the men who shouldered the bulk of the low-post burden for the Hawks last season. “You go from playing three or four guys, with Solomon Jones, to having five or six quality guys that can play and that has to make a big difference for us.”

THE WAFER RULE

Day after day veteran free agent Jerry Stackhouse turns heads during these informal workouts.

I haven’t found a player yet that isn’t convinced that he could help this Hawks team this season as versatile specialists off the bench.

Whether or not that connection ever comes to fruition is obviously not up to said players or any of us around here.

But let me offer up a cautionary tale about watching a free agent dazzle on the practice court all summer only to find work elsewhere once training camp rolls around. Von Wafer [breakout season in Houston last year and ow a teammate of former Hawks swingman Josh Childress in Greece] put on a somewhat similar type of show last summer, wowing everyone with his shooting stroke from deep and his ability to finish at the rim without any regard for whoever and whatever might be in his way.

Wafer would have helped this Hawks team tremendously last year but a decision was made to go in a different direction (one that, it should be pointed out, helped net 47 wins). It’ll be interesting to see if the Hawks look past Stackhouse (for whatever reasons) and break the Wafer Rule.

It’s not my decision, my team, my money or my main concern right now. But I don’t know that I’d be able to rationalize not trying to sign Stackhouse up if he goes anywhere this season and plays half as well as he’s played since I’ve been watching this summer.

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dos hawkquis

September 23rd, 2009
11:09 pm

ARIOSE,

How many times do we play Orlando during Rashad’s 10 games suspension? We play them 4 times. I wish we could have faced them twice without Rashad to get an up on them in the SE Division.

ARIOSE,

I don’t think that the Hawks have the HEART to make it out of the 2nd round. We will see what type of team they are this year. If they can win 22 road games, I think that will go over well for the playoffs in a hostile road environment.

But if they win 12-16 road games again, that will mean that they still get intimidated in a hostile environment.

“I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends!!”

Ariose

September 23rd, 2009
11:12 pm

That takes your list from 6 down to 3 truths…..maybe even two. 60 wins is also a reasonable possibility…

Melvin

September 23rd, 2009
11:13 pm

Nire,

Exactly how many NBA championships does Sund have in his 30+ years of NBA affiliations???

The Truth

September 23rd, 2009
11:14 pm

Wally

The only thing that’s worst then a self-proclaimed hater, is one that does it without exactly knowing it (Although my definition is in the area of blogging only). If I could meter your entire comments and those that followed about Crawford, I would conclude that about 95% of everything you said has been negative. I would list them all here but it’s too many. So the idea that you said a kind polite sentence about Crawford before you went wailing away doesn’t resonate. You obviously expected the man to be a savior for the Warriors and he was not. His career stat numbers doesn’t exactly translate to your description. The way you describe him, the man should not be playing in NBA; not even in the D-league. Basketball is a team sport that involves many factors that determines a successful outcome. You sound as if Crawford was the sole reason for the demise of the Warriors. Are you exactly saying that? If your answer is yes then you are embarrassing yourself. Surely there must have been other factors beside Crawford. Let’s go ask Stephen Jackson. Perhaps he can shed light on this question. My previous point was why do you still care about what Crawford is doing? What is you point. Regardless what our expectation are for the upcoming season, the fact is, it hasn’t happened yet. I’m sure most NBA teams and fan-base are upbeat about the upcoming season (except for maybe NY and GS) You want to talk about past events that are, frankly, irrelevant to us since he now is on a different team. Everything changes when that happens, maybe for the good or maybe it could turn out for the worst. Let’s give the man a chance to (at least) go through training camp and pre-season before you start singing unsolicited blues songs on our behave.

Ariose

September 23rd, 2009
11:14 pm

Dos, i’m saying that ORL won’t have a good record during that 10game stretch….and then it’s gonna take time for R.Lewis to get chemistry with all of his new teammates…….we got this ;-)

Ariose

September 23rd, 2009
11:16 pm

Wally, Don’t listen to him. He just likes to start arguments for no reason. Thanks for the useful Crawford info.

Ariose

September 23rd, 2009
11:21 pm

Nire, That opes up a good can of worms for a debte!

Would this roster be BETTER if we had Wade instead of JJ????

Would we be closer to a title?

Would we be instant title-contendors???

Would that place us 1st or 2nd in the ECT pecking order???

Weigh in with youer answers now!!!!!

…I vote yes to all of the above, unless JJ shows me some 05-06 spunk this season :-P

Ariose

September 23rd, 2009
11:21 pm

The Truth

September 23rd, 2009
11:24 pm

Ariose

That am I going to do with you? :razz:

bigdave

September 23rd, 2009
11:24 pm

Ariose… you my boy… but…

NOOOO WADE!!! No crybaby’s in the A!! personally, though restricted, id look at adding a Rajon Rondo (reports last year had Celts shopping him anyway) + Rudy Gay… assuming no Joe=no Woody… id change our style of play… thats 2 solid perimeter defenders with dumb athletic ability. the major flaw in this is Bibby/Teague… bottom line lose Joe and start all over, instead of contending in about 2 years…

personally i like Joe with what we have…we ARE a totally different team with out Joe.

Big Ray

September 23rd, 2009
11:26 pm

KevinA ,

You’re joking, right? I was posting that in response to the recent posts (on this blog, no less) from Andy and Wally about expectations for Jamal Crawford. THEY are late for the party. Have not you, I, and several others beaten this topic into the ground in July, August, and even September? Have we not expressed individual concerns about this for the better part of THREE MONTHS? How can you say I’m wrong? I’m sorry, did none of those conversations take place? I must have a vivid imagination….

I have read many times the idea of Crawford scoring 20 pt’s a game and playing the #3. Then we heard of the great play of Teague and getting 15 min per game.Then we have heard of the contributions of Evans and don’t be fooled into him losing minutes. Then we here Sund/Woody saying Bibby will still be a major factor and is a house fav.
Clearly all these factors don’t add up.We have posted golden state fan posts about his lack of defense and not being able to finish around the rim. And except for the fourth quarter shooting a dismal shooting FG%. I even mentioned his preference to the left side of the court where JJ also likes to shoot from.”

See what I mean? Those things were said months ago, and there were rebuttal arguments to each and every one. Wally and Andy come in here talking like the fans here are expecting Crawford to have an all-star season. Now I don’t know who thought Craw should be playing the 3. That’s nuts. But I do recall saying that Craw was capable of putting up 20 points any given night, if given the minutes to do so. Not quite the same as saying he would score 20 a game.

You said, Of course, some people still don’t get that essentially we traded two pg’s that we didn’t have a use for (and that didn’t’t have very much trade value) for a guy we could use, and had better trade value.
wrong again -

No, I’m not wrong. How many times have people compared Crawford to Flip? Be honest. Most of the noise was about how he gets paid 10 mil and Flip gets paid 2 mil, but they do the same thing. That was what many of the critics of the trade were saying, and you know it. My point was that we traded two low value players for a higher value, higher use player. That was my point then, it’s my point now. And some people still don’t see that. You yourself are harping on the fact that he is the “most overpaid player on the team for his skill set”, are you not?

What you don’t see is the total asset value. What were we going to trade Law and Claxton for, even if we packaged them with somebody else? Between the two, they were making over 8 million dollars a year. And what exactly were they producing? Look at the 8 mil a year they were making, and the nearly 10 mil a year Crawford is making. Now compare production numbers of both sides. You have to compare the prodution and value of what you traded for, versus what you traded away. Then, you compare the trade value itself.

Which combo do you think has more value if you offer it in a trade later on (just for hypothetical purposes): Jamal/Williams, or Speedy/Law/Williams?

Big Ray

September 23rd, 2009
11:27 pm

Aw crap. Just got finished working on the first two posts for the Hawks fan blog, and I forgot I am still logged into Word Press. Let me get out….

The Truth

September 23rd, 2009
11:29 pm

Ariose

Correction: What am I going to do with yoy? :razz:

bigdave

September 23rd, 2009
11:32 pm

yall can have the class of 2010 with those characters… im waiting on 2012′ better save our pennies…

D12!!!!

YOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!

The Truth

September 23rd, 2009
11:34 pm

Time to shut it down

I am having trouble with my key board

Big Ray

September 23rd, 2009
11:35 pm

Ariose ,

Info is what it is. Remember when we got Bibby and Sacramento fans said all those things about him? Well, some were true, and some weren’t. Now answer me this: did he help this team, or did he make those Sacramento fans look like geniuses?

As for the Bulls and Ben Gordon, I’m not going to hate on Gordon. Gets his shot like nobody’s business. However, he’s one-dimensional and Derrick Rose deferred to him a lot. Too much in some cases. Rose will be the undisputed leader of this team now, and there’s a cat up that way who can get plenty of points on his own. He’s bigger, a better team player, and can even play some small forward when needed. Name’s Johnny Salmons. He’ll fit right in at the 2, and Gordon won’t be missed much, especially with Rose coming back even better (which is scary as hell).

Not only that, but Gordon’s role (and constant green light) is in part due to Luol Deng being injured for a large part of the season, and off his game when he came back. Chicago will be fine. In fact, I think they will be better. But I’ll buy ya a cold one or two if I’m wrong and you’re right. ;)

Big Ray

September 23rd, 2009
11:37 pm

Truth,

But I was enjoying your posts…. :(

Big Ray

September 23rd, 2009
11:40 pm

Melvin ,

“Exactly how many NBA championships does Sund have in his 30+ years of NBA affiliations???”

Good point. Uh…what was the point again? :)

niremetal

September 23rd, 2009
11:40 pm

Melvin,

If you’re using that as a barometer of success, then there aren’t many GMs in the history of the league who have been successes. My entire point was that if Stackhouse showed something in that practice that indicated he could help the team, it’s absurd to think Sund would need to be petitioned in order to recognize it. He has shown a very good eye for getting veteran role players. Why would he suddenly become blind?

bigdave

September 23rd, 2009
11:47 pm

i feel in a few years where Dwight goes will determine the favorite for the title not James/Wade/Bosh/ etc. … similar to the Shaq effect of years past…

Melvin

September 23rd, 2009
11:59 pm

Ray,
Just picking at Nire about his boy Sund.

Nire,
Just b/c Sund hasn’t signed Stack (for whatever reason) doesn’t mean he don’t think he’s able to helpp this team. There could be other factors such money, coach approval, etc….

niremetal

September 24th, 2009
12:05 am

Mel,

One more before calling it a night:

We have 12 players under contract. Stack would make 13. That would leave us with, basically, one roster space left open because my guess is that we’re saving spot 15 for a rainy day (ie if we get hit hard by injuries this season at a particular position). Stack would only get the vet minimum anyway, so money isn’t the issue. It’s roster space. Frankly, I’d rather have Siler or Hunter and a third PG than Stack, unless Stack looks like he can be a serious upgrade over Mo as a rotation player this year. Otherwise, I don’t think it’s a wise use of that roster spot.

That’s my personal take. I don’t know what’s going through Sund’s mind, but I doubt he’d look away if Stack both 1) looks capable of being a rotation player; and 2) seems like he’d be a good “fit” for the team (and coach approval is a big part of that).

Big Ray

September 24th, 2009
12:35 am

Melvin ,

I know. I was just wondering what the alibi would be. And I knew that it would get him just a wee bit fired up. ;)

Big Ray

September 24th, 2009
12:35 am

Bigdave,

Interesting viewpoint. You could be right.

rms

September 24th, 2009
12:39 am

Dang Sekou, way to express your point!!

KevinA

September 24th, 2009
12:45 am

Ray
geeze, so many circles I got dizzy.

KevinA

September 24th, 2009
12:51 am

bigdave

September 23rd, 2009
11:47 pm
i feel in a few years where Dwight goes will determine the favorite for the title not James/Wade/Bosh/ etc. … similar to the Shaq effect of years past…

Dwight in my opinion is already the best player in the NBA. The jump jacking guards didn’t feed him enough. Sound like our problem? Kid is a stud and can do much more. Who can stop him? Al and JJ for Howard any time.

KevinA

September 24th, 2009
12:54 am

PS and I love JJ and Al. Howard already the next Shaq.

Ariose

September 24th, 2009
1:18 am

Ray, Good point! I’ll shut up about craw now ;-) I HOPE he proves all of the doubters wrong. It’s defenetly to our benefit.

Nire, SIGN STACK NOW!!!! 8-O OR G.GREEN!!!! 8-O

P.S Crawford is our 3rd PG….If Craw,Stack,JJ,Marv,Horford Sounds nice from time to time!!!

LOL@ The Truth. I was just teasin’ :D Get that keyboard fixed!

Ariose

September 24th, 2009
1:20 am

rms, that was Ray lol…

bigdave

September 24th, 2009
1:40 am

KevinA…

wish it was our problem… i still dont think we have anybody that can finish at the rim consistently from the blocks. you’re right though… they dont look for him enough (kinda how they do that kid up at G-Town Mr. Monroe).. i think thats the sole reason why he’ll kiss Disney good bye… as long as they dont make a coaching change… i mean im not sold on his relationship with VGDY… who seems to think Dwight should just concentrate on reb. and blk shots. in his jump shot happy offense…

bottom line someone gets an unhappy 27-28yr./old beast… who will be ready to win some rings (cause he wont presently constructed). for once i think Atlanta would have a chance at a legitimate megastar. you knew the Jordans/LBJ/Kobe/Bonds/A-Rod’s of the world showed no interest in playing for and representing Atlanta … however, i think hometeam will consider and become savior… probably to a Hawks team that would be a piece away from a title…

nothing but hypothetical here folks… just dont see championships a given with the class of 2010.. nothing but a publicity/cable television class… the grand prize enters the market 2012…

ask Phil Jackson…

bigdave

September 24th, 2009
1:50 am

Bosh goes home to Big D… D. Wade goes home to Da Chi…. Lebron leaves home to go play for his puppet masters home in NY (what a lame; yes massa type dude pfff…)

and in 2012

D. Title comes home !!!

Ariose

September 24th, 2009
1:50 am

Ray, IDK about Gordon. I was watching that shootout between him and Mr.Shuttelsworth in the playoffs this past season on NBA TV a few weeks back. It just reminded me of Benny Gordons crunch-time clutchness. The guy put in work for the Bulls, serious work. They’ll be OK without him, but they’ll defenetly be missing a key factor in their attack, the clutch factor. And Rose was nasty in that series, but the next game after his 36pt outburst, Boston held him to a quiet 14pts in a loss I beleive. But the kid is defenetly a force to be reckond with.

…And for those of you who say Bibby can’t handle the kid, look at the Bibbsters numbers when we played the Bulls last season. He mean business. He wasn’t about to get shown up by a younger fellow to PG draft pick.

And that was a nice little Shameless Promoion there Ray; Still being logged into wordpress n’ all. we see you ;-)

Ariose

September 24th, 2009
1:56 am

bigdave, I really hope i’m wrong about Wade. I don’t like the guy. What I really want is for JJ and J-Smoove to step up. Specifically JJ….Thats a good point about our style changing w/o JJ in the mix. Like I said, i’d rather have JJ step up, than having to resort to crybaby Wade. Could you imagine he and Josh crying to the refs all the time? He cartainly woudn’t be a good inflence for smoove ;-)

Ariose

September 24th, 2009
1:58 am

The Truth, Seriously though I think I typed too qickly earlier today. I mistook you for a similarly named nemeisis on this blog….musta been a Freudian slip :-)

Stories AJC(redneck paper) wont cover

September 24th, 2009
1:59 am

(CNN) — A man accused of screaming racial slurs while beating an Army reservist in front of her daughter outside a restaurant in Morrow, Georgia, was jailed and held without bond Wednesday after being indicted on felony charges.

Troy Dale West Jr, of Poulan, Georgia, is being held without bond on new felony charges.

1 of 2 Troy Dale West Jr., of Poulan, Georgia, is facing one count of aggravated assault, two counts of battery, two counts of disorderly conduct, false imprisonment and cruelty to children for allegedly beating Tashawnea Hill outside a Cracker Barrel restaurant on September 9, according to a Clayton County Court online docket.

West had been arrested on misdemeanor charges following the incident, but Clayton County District Attorney Tracy Graham Lawson took the the case to a grand jury asking for more serious charges.

Hill’s attorney Kip Jones told CNN that several hundred supporters, believed to be with the NAACP, Al Sharpton’s Political Action Network and Rainbow Push, gathered outside the courtroom Wednesday morning in support of more serious charges against West.

Jones said he and Hill were pleased with the new indictment.

“We look forward to a conviction as Tasha and her 7-year-old daughter move forward to recover from this heinous incident,” he said.

West’s lawyer, Larry King, had no comment about the indictment, according his assistant.

Hill, 35, said the attack occurred after she warned West to be careful after almost hitting her 7-year-old daughter with the restaurant’s door as she was leaving.

West, according to a police report, admitted striking Hill “after she spit on me and accused me of trying to hit her daughter with a door.”

During an interview on CNN following the attack, Jones denied that she spat on West or did “anything to provoke the attack.”

Hill, an African-American, told police that West, 47, yelled racial epithets at her during the attack. Police said witnesses confirmed her account.

“He did punch me with a closed fist repeated times. My head is still hurting today. I have knots on my head,” Hill told CNN. She also said she was kicked.

Police say Hill stated that “West punched her in the left cheek, forehead, kicked her body in several places, and punched her head in many areas several times.”

Hill’s attorney said he was “convinced this was a hateful, racist attack … based on the N-word, the B-word, etc.”

“The language was vile. It was racist. It was sexist. It was completely offensive, completely unprovoked,” Jones said.

Morrow is a racially diverse city in the southeast suburbs of Atlanta, Georgia, with a population of about 4,900, according to the 2000 census.
Racism and Bigotry • Criminal Assault • Atlanta

Ariose

September 24th, 2009
2:00 am

bigdave, that would be sweet if it happend! I doubt the city of Orlando would forgive him though. Especially after Otis Smith put his neck out there by going over the salary cap to feild this team full of all-stars.

Ariose

September 24th, 2009
2:02 am

What a horrible story….

Ariose

September 24th, 2009
2:05 am

….justice will be served. :twisted:

8-O

The Real Truth Is

September 24th, 2009
2:09 am

DEEZZ NUTTZZ

Ariose

September 24th, 2009
2:11 am

bigdave

September 24th, 2009
2:12 am

Rose…

Otis Smith needs to address his coach’s philosophies… the matchup hell they create sometimes is a gift and a curse. if Rashard Lewis can play some SF then they need to look into that because he is a liability on the defensive glass big time for them… i can remember seeing Dwight being the only guy who could secure a rebound. they just remind me of a eastern conference HGH version of Dantoni’s Suns… i dont think they’re style wins them a title against those front courts out west. now they insert Bass into the starting lineup turns them into a more traditional group…

wow… Nelson… VC… Shark… Big Bass… D Title…

thats kinda scary….

bigdave

September 24th, 2009
2:14 am

*their

its late…

Ariose

September 24th, 2009
2:15 am

Ariose

September 24th, 2009
2:17 am

bigdave, I agree. And Lewis can def. play SF. To the tune of 26ppg up in seattle w/Ray Ray.

bigdave

September 24th, 2009
2:20 am

damn sure did…

but hey… who knows… these are the Orlando Magic who found a way to lose the most dominant player of all time…

Ariose

September 24th, 2009
2:34 am

hahaha yeah lol. They’ll never be able to live that one down!

Wesley Barresi

September 24th, 2009
5:46 am

I agree with him……If we sign Stackhouse, whats the point of having mo evans.

http://www.goarticles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=1992738

rodney

September 24th, 2009
7:03 am

Stack in da house, question is where will he fit in? Can coach find a way use him, without messing up the chemistry of the team. Who will get less minutes and still be happy…I don’t think we need Stackhouse, like him but not for my hawks.
Is JJ gone this year in a trade? No because he will have help and don’t have to carry the team into the playoffs and won’t be so tired come playoff time

HGN

September 24th, 2009
8:27 am

The Hawks have put together a great training camp roster… Lets be patient and see what shakes out. Someone may get hurt in camp, injuries happen, and we will need this depth. I say DO NOT trade anyone. The ONLY problem , as I see it, is will Woodson play his depth in games and not wear down his starters during the season by playing them 38-40 minutes a game. He does not trust his bench players enough to give them quality minutes so he wears out his starters. And come Playoffs they are either worn down or injured. Woodson is too afraid of playing bench players for fear of losing the game and jeopardizing his job. Come on Woody, don’t be scared of losing and give the Hawks and Hawks fans a chance to Win.