When players are made

Hawks rookie point guard Jeff Teague is turning heads already, and training camp doesn't start for three weeks.

Hawks rookie point guard Jeff Teague is turning heads already, and training camp doesn't start for three weeks.

HAWKSVILLE - First impressions amongst your peers in the NBA can go a long way.

For Hawks rookie point guard Jeff Teague, the buzz traveled from an impressive mini-camp in late July all the way through Labor Day and until now.

And it’s not just his Hawks teammates that have noticed. His point guard peers around the league, at least the veterans that have been on the floor with him this summer (and mainly in the past week or so at the Hawks’ practice facility), have noticed. And they see plenty that they like about the former Wake Forest star.

“The one thing that sticks out to me is that he makes shots,” said former Hawks point guard Anthony Johnson, who plays in Orlando these days but still calls Atlanta home in the offseason. “That’s going to go a long way here in the system he’ll be in and really in his career. If you’re a guy that can get shots, that can make shots and create shots, you’ve got the package you’ll need to be successful. And he’s got all that.”

Teague has all that and more from what I saw on the floor in back-to-back days last week. Not only is he super quick and fearless going to the basket (he dunked on a fast break in one game, getting up and down before Josh Smith could even turn to think about sending the ball into orbit), Teague can score in a variety of ways. He has a sweet pull up jumper in traffic, a push shot in the lane and can spot up from all over the floor and knock down shots as well.

Sure, you say it’s just pick up games in early September. Yeah, training camp hasn’t even started yet. But those first impressions are what count. And not one person left that gym on either day questioning Teague’s game. The veterans, the youngsters, the NBA stars and the guys looking for their next gig in Europe, they all agreed that Teague was even more impressive than they expected.

“He’s going to make things really interesting,” said Hawks forward Marvin Williams, a Tar Heel not prone to praising a Demon Deacon. “I just love that he’s been here all this time. It’s a clear indicator of where his mind is in terms of what he has to do this season. That’s the kind of attitude you want to see in a rookie or anybody else when they are coming into a new team. Plus, I feel like basketball players are made in the summer time. That’s when people are relaxing and doing whatever. The guys that put in the work in the summer time, that’s when it really shows in the season. Because the truth is you don’t really have time to work on your individual game as much as you’d like to during the season. And everybody can tell who’s done the work and who hasn’t. Jeff Teague has done the work.”

MORRIS, TOO?

One of the favorite punching bags around here, Randolph Morris has done his fair share of work this summer as well. In fact, I’d argue that no [Hawks] player has undergone a more radical physical transformation this summer than Morris, who has shed some 60 pounds from his 6-11 frame in an effort to break into the playing rotation in his second season with the team.

“The work I did was both mental and physical,” he said after a recent workout. “I was trying to get myself where I needed to be mentally and physically for the long season. Just as important for me is working for the short term where I can try to get on the court this year. It was really a two-pronged approach for me this summer like it is every summer. It was about working to get myself in the best shape possible for the upcoming season while also realizing that the guys that last in the NBA are the ones that take the best care of their bodies. The guys that have the longest careers are the ones that you see in the gym in the dead of summer, when there are no cameras and no fans around. That’s where the real work is done.”

I’m still not sure if Morris will end up in the plans (or the playing rotation) this season, but I have to give it up to him for the full body makeover he pulled off this summer. As a guy who could stand to shed a few pounds himself, it’s inspiring to see someone start from where he did and end up where he is now.

SIMS IN THE FOLD

Courtney Sims is now comfirmed as yet another training camp invitee for the Hawks. I’m hearing the total group will number at least 18 and possibly as many as 23 or 24. That sounds a bit on the high end to me. This is a team that already has so many roster spots set, there’s little need to add a ton of extra bodies to the training camp mix.

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Ariose

September 13th, 2009
11:45 pm

Nire, yeah & that song actually came out like two years ago, I think it was featured by Gatoraid, Nike & the NBA.

But can you beleive Japan nowadays? Thay now have more classical concerts than anyone in the world on a yearly baisis. Tons of Bach, Motzart, Handel, Vivaldi etc. But they are Beethoven fiends over there from what i’ve heard. They play tons of it……I guess it’s fairly new to their culture though. Not that i’m complaining :-)

This is the first Mix I had seen Berlioz remix too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBqbfMvIGIg

Ariose

September 13th, 2009
11:57 pm

Nire, Thaks For the Fantatique Vid!!!! That ones going stright to my Hard Drive lol!!!

niremetal

September 14th, 2009
12:27 am

Ariose,

I had no clue that Japan was getting that into it – good for them, though. I didn’t get into classical until college, but I’ve gone to see the Philadelphia Orchestra plenty since then. Like with jazz and progressive rock, it’s too bad no one has the attention span to write music like that today…ha.

Nice Nick Young clip. I’m REALLY curious to see how Young does with the loaded perimeter squad that Washington has….

Ariose

September 14th, 2009
1:33 am

Nire, Same here. I played the Piano a lil bit and the Trumpet in grade school so I was always taking Music classes n’ stuff. I just recently took a Music Appreciation class this Summer that was just soley focused on classical, Romantic, Baroque, Mideval etc. music so that really got me back into it a little more. I havent played in years though. I always wanted to play the sax b/c my pops listend to a lot of jazz but I never got a chance to do it. I gues you could say I was forced into the other instuments lol.

Anyhoo, yeah but you know ppl are alwys trying to find the next big thing with music & they pretty much did all they could with that style back then. But it’s cool Now we get rap/rock remixes n’ stuff ;-) . With all the technology nowadays, I really dont think theres a limit to what ppl can do musically anymore.

It’s defetly time for Nick Young to break out. I’ve been waiting for him too for a long time. He baffles me, one minute he’s great & the next you hardoy notice him. I think his jumper was his main vice. It just wasn’t up to snuff. Hopefully he’s worked out the kinks.

Ray, What more can I say lol. I’m praying(leterally) for JJ to have a breakout season. It’s time to take this Hawks maina to another level!!!

Ariose

September 14th, 2009
1:43 am

Lol@ Josh Smith in this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHKmP_AoEZ4

KG looks so funny.

Big Ray

September 14th, 2009
2:31 am

Astro Joe ,

GOOD post. More thought provoking stuff.

I think you’re dead-on with the Woody/Teague thing.

Can’t blame Woody for leaning on his “pet plays.” Every coach has them. Every coach should have them.

On the Woody/Bibby subject I have two things to say:

1) No matter how we view Woody on the situation, it was Bibby who passed Josh the ball. :)

2) At least they are communicating, and neither has an issue with it. Anthony Johnson was usually looking elsewhere during huddles, and he even walked out on the team once (during practice, I think it was). It may not be a big deal to some, but that bothered me. A veteran pg tasked with trying to help and lead the team should never do that.

As for Horford, I agree. Woody needs to step in an run some plays for him, but I think that kind of goes back to the idea of Woody letting the offense flow somewhat freely. Perhaps Woody is letting his veteran guards learn to trust Horford and give him the ball when they should. It’s a growing process. Doesn’t happen right away, though sometimes it is frustrating to watch it NOT happen.

And Smith? Ha! I have to laugh at your comments about him shying away from the 3-ball (and Woody being a control freak). I know your intent was both humorous and a good jab at anybody who insists Woody is a control freak. But right about now, I’ll bet Woody is sending all kinds of fruit baskets and chocolate collections to whoever talked him out of it :) My guess is Steve Smith. Maybe better send some to his pops just in case. Whoever it is, Josh seems to be listening to them. I look forward to seeing him put his words into action!

Big Ray

September 14th, 2009
2:32 am

And now for a cheap “B” movie and some more Jamaican Coconut Rum……:twisted:

Big Ray

September 14th, 2009
2:33 am

Dang I’m sauced. Lemme try that again.

:twisted:

RA

September 14th, 2009
5:43 am

Okay, when the topic of a blog turns toward how sauced Big Ray is, it’s probably time for a new blog. I’m just sayin…

Ariose

September 14th, 2009
7:36 am

Undisputed Champ

September 14th, 2009
7:56 am

Good points, perhaps Ken should read the reply to his MIS-INFORMATION

bigestnutts

September 13th, 2009
1:10 am
Ken Strickland

September 12th, 2009
6:12 pm

Thats Mr bignutts to you BIG N U T T S NOT MR NUTTS. GET IT RIGHT AND DONT WASTE MY TIME WITH YOUR SILLY LIST OF 80% POWERFORWARD. WHY ARE YOU AURGUING WITH A BLOGGER? WHY DONT YOU MAKE YOUR CASE TO THE PUBLICATIONS, WEBSITES AND SCOUTS WHO SAY MR HORFORD IS PLAYING OUT OF POSITION, UNDERWEIGHT AND HAS LIMITED OFFENSIVE TOOLs. I like horfort and think he is a blue collar worker. His GREATEST ASSEST IS THAT HE’S A DECENT REBOUNDER. NOT A DENNIS RODMAN(A POWERFORWARD WHO HORFORD MOST CLOSLY RESEMBLES.) BUT A DECENT REBOUNDER. THAT IT.

lISTEN HAVE YOU TALKED TO ESPN ABOUT THIS? SPORTING NEWS? ANY PROFESSIONAL SCOUTS? PLEEEZE! GET A LIFE. IF THEY DONT RESPECT YOUR OPINION WHAT MAKE YOU THINK I WOULD? WHY ARE YOUR TRYING TO CONVINCE ME. I JUST HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH WHAT MOST PUBLICATIONS SAY ABOUT HIM.

JUST THIS PAST WEEK I HAD A LOCAL NEWSPAPER DELIVERING TO MY HOUSE. I DID NOT ORDERED IT BUT THEY SENT IT ANY WAY. I HAD TO CALL AND ASK THEM NOT TO PUT A PAPER IN MY YARD. APPARENTLY THEY CANT SELL THE PAPER WHICH GOES FOR 75 CENTS. THEY HAVE A LOT OF ADS AND SALES IN THE PAPER WHICH BRINGS INCOME SO THEY HAVE TO DISTRIBUTE IT EVEN IF IT MEANS GIVING IT A WAY. KIND OF REMINDS ME OF YOU. YOU SINGLE ME OUT AND ADDRESS ME AS IF IM INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. IM NOT. ITS VERY CLEAR TO ME THAT YOU ARE CLUELESS. I KNOW YOU TOLD A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE A READERSHIP AND YOU ARE IMPORTANT….LOL, BUT IM NOT INTERESTED IN YOU OR YOUR DISTORTIONS. PLEASE DONT LEAVE YOUR SPAM IN MY YARD.
THANK YOU. Frankly ken….I dont give a damn!

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The Department of Unintended Irony

September 14th, 2009
9:59 am

WHY ARE YOU AURGUING WITH A BLOGGER?

ITS VERY CLEAR TO ME THAT YOU ARE CLUELESS

BUT IM NOT INTERESTED IN YOU OR YOUR DISTORTIONS.

Frankly ken….I dont give a damn!

dap01

September 14th, 2009
11:02 am

What’s up with the CAPS?

Daniel

September 14th, 2009
11:08 am

Sekou- Lots of nice updates over the weekend. So far everyone is saying the right things. When will we get the full training camp roster? Any more word on Joe? Is he in town? How ’bout that extension?

Ariose

September 14th, 2009
12:29 pm

UPPDATESSS!!! Check Sekous Twitter!

vava74

September 14th, 2009
12:38 pm

Right on the money:

“Blast
September 12th, 2009
7:23 pm
About Joe not drawing fouls, Ariose. The refs are the main problem. They NEVER give Joe the calls he deserves. Joe is the most disrespected star in the league by NBA refs. If they gave him all his calls, Joe would go to the line 10 times a game. Joe never gets his calls, but Wade and LeBron get phantom fouls called for them. NBA refs suck!”

Along with the above, the past few days have been filled with excellent participations. Fine exchange of views!

Ariose

September 14th, 2009
12:45 pm

Ladies and Gents!!! We now have ANOTHER reason to hate Dwayne Wade!!! I knoW, I know, it’s too good to be true lol.

APPARENTLY Mo Evans’ Comments in Sekous latest Article was sent to wade from a Heat fan on Twitter which Promted Wade to Tweet this:

“Had to laugh at what I jus read via tweet. At the gym about to get it in. Some people don’t kno when to keep there mouth closed lol

And This was a retweet that he added on too:

“This is comical RT @jordub @dwadeofficial Mo Evans is bulkin up for u “…guarding guys like Dwyane Wade”http://tinyurl.com/pysufk”

And then Deron Williams Tweeted this to Wade(BTW I’m offically NOT a Deron Williams fan anymore….)

D_Will_8_4real@dwadeofficial if u ask me I think Mo Evans just commited suicide! I will be watching Hawks vs Heat that’s 4 long games for him!

What an Idiot….Marvin’s better anyway…..Didn’t know D-Will had such a big mouth and was such an instigator. I Hope Mo dunks on his Azz next season. Both of those squads don’t have a PRAYER…..LMBO….WOW

And THEN heres the FULL Tweet from the Miami Heat fan that started all of this nonsense:

@dwadeofficial Mo Evans is bulkin up for u “…guarding guys like Dwyane Wade” http://tinyurl.com/pysufk Turn it up on a ni%%a

And then This:

@dwadeofficial “…Those guys don’t like to be touched. They’ll see the difference and notice it when we’re out there on the floor”

Talk about a Lame azz hype man….None of those idiots even bothered to read the Article i’m betting. It had absolutely nothing to do with Wade and Everything to do with that Heat fan and D-Will instigating stuff they don’t know about.

Ariose

September 14th, 2009
12:53 pm

That heat Fan completly set that up to get wade Hyped….well I guess it’s his funeral….D-Wills too.

And to think, They used to be friends/converse Buddies ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1VmLeG69D0

macaroni tony

September 14th, 2009
2:28 pm

Dang these guys in the NBA do have such a big ego, Mo didn’t say anything negative towards those guys. It’s ON: GO Hawks…..

Ariose

September 14th, 2009
2:32 pm

Ariose

September 14th, 2009
2:47 pm

MacTony, I agree!!!

GeeMack

September 14th, 2009
2:48 pm

Hey Hawks fans I’m currently doing my pre-season homework and the Lindsey NBA preview magazine predict the Hawks will win 41 games this year.

The national media must really hate the hawks. With the bench help alone I think the hawks will win 50 games and get to the 2nd round of the playoffs.

If we play gerat defense I can see the Hawks pushing 1 of the top 3 to 7 games in the 2nd rd.

GeeMack

September 14th, 2009
2:55 pm

Ariose

Aint nothing wrong with that JJ & Josh needs to have his back. We need guys that aint afraid of the D-Wades Kobe & LBJ’s of the world.

It’s time for the Hawks to act like the belong on the court with theses guys, and stop being star struck when they come to town.

Ariose

September 14th, 2009
3:11 pm

Whooo!! I got my mainman Peachtree Hoops Backing me up!!! Thatnks for the shoutout!!

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2009/9/14/1030060/72-reasons-to-be-excited-about-the

READ IT!!!! READ IT NOWWW!!!

Ariose

September 14th, 2009
4:12 pm

Sekou!!! Where are u!!!

bigdave

September 14th, 2009
4:26 pm

Ariose GOOD FIND!!!!

i tell you what.. im not the biggest Mo fan (@ the SF) but, i like his approach to this off-season. keeping players away from their spots would bring him a long way at improving his defense. he already looked strong but he played weak at times and drew lots of fouls… all and all he is an emotional player and solid off the bench. good job Mo…

I USE TO BE A DERON WILLIAMS FAN BUT HE IS ANOTHER SUCKER IN THAT LITTLE “IN CROWD/ CIRCLE” THEY HAVE IN THE LEAGUE NOW.

non of you pansies will be MJ so stop trying!!! its a different era marquee players are too buddy .. buddy.. outside of KOBE no killer and sheer hate for the opponent in them…

bet you guys dont remember when Lebron faced Boston last year he said something like Boston wont catch him off guard with the double and triple teams like they did Joe… pfff… taking shots and sneak dissing…

thats why i love my Hawks cause they are stick to there own business and ride for each other!!

Josh is maturing yall and poised to have a breakout year…!!!

Ramon

September 14th, 2009
4:28 pm

GeeMack you mean act like the Wizards against the Cavs 2 years ago? You don’t add fuel to the fire until after you play them.

Ariose

September 14th, 2009
4:30 pm

Noe look at what that Stupid Miami Heat Fan had to say:

He’s Worried!!!

jordub: @dwadeofficial glad i could bring that to ur attn before gym time. getting a lot of hate from hawks fans tho, lol…bring it on!

Now he’s in shock..

jordub: @dwadeofficial RT @peachtreehoops 72 reasons…excited about the Atlanta Hawks: #47 Rooting against Dwyane Wade http://sbnation.com/e/794101

Now he’s scared lol.

jordub: @dwadeofficial …didnt think things would go this far. lol, ATL is sensitive.

…lil By!$#ch…

Ariose

September 14th, 2009
4:34 pm

bigdave,AMEN!!!

And I helped orchestrate the whole thing!!

http://www.twitter.com/JazzHop

bigdave

September 14th, 2009
4:40 pm

dude called us sensitive out of bytch… hahahaha…

stay on em Rose!!!

Ariose

September 14th, 2009
4:56 pm

I MUS WRITE

September 14th, 2009
5:26 pm

Thats Just Wonderful, We have 2 flute players discussing basketball……hahahaha Bach,Mozart,Bethoven-LMAO …… We’z cultured now!!!!

Ariose

September 14th, 2009
5:35 pm

LMBO!!!!:

peachtreehoops somebody just google searched “mo evans suicide” to get to my blog. creepy but thanks @D_Will_8_4real for bringing in the hits!

I Mus, Well u know the ladies luv the sophitcated cultured brothas 8-O

;-)

GeeMack

September 14th, 2009
5:36 pm

Ramon,

That’s the difference between the LBJ’ Kobe’s & D-Wade’s and the Hawks stars. They talk before during and after the game. You will never see Kobe back down from anyone.

If we say we one of the elite teams act like. Paul & KG always talking. Why? beacuse they back it up.

Ariose

September 14th, 2009
5:37 pm

…o_O I didn’t play no flute!!! Ewwww!!!

:-)

ant banks

September 14th, 2009
5:38 pm

ARIOSE,

don’t push the heat fan too hard!! don’t want him to file “cyber bullyin’” charges on you…lol

Ariose

September 14th, 2009
5:40 pm

Maybe we were too hard on Joe? He shut down his twitter!!! I’m deeply saddend by this…

Ariose

September 14th, 2009
5:42 pm

Ant banks, lol…i’ll try :twisted:

Ramon

September 14th, 2009
5:46 pm

GeeMack, I understand, but *they’re* always talking because they have the referees backing them up

The Department of Unintended Irony

September 14th, 2009
6:16 pm

Founder and President; Ken ButtBreath

The Flash

September 14th, 2009
6:17 pm

jerrywest, I get that they are different players, what strikes me about this kid that Stricklin showed also was his uprightness with the ball, and deserved confidence that he could get in the lane and hurt you on his terms, without rushing. Teague likes to score without allowing the big guys to get on him, which I like alot. I think Rod had that in his game too, but loved more to get to the rim to overwhelm with what he could do with the ball.

But, when I see Teague it is with his head up, his body relatively upright, light on his feet and pretty much a moment from having his legs under him and a deft touch on a shot.

Johnson was more explosive, faster and a better jumper. This kid has a timing meter that for some reason reminds me of Stricklin. I thought he’d go higher. Perhaps he didn’t because, as I mentioned, when people got him off his outside shot, he could be controlled.

Truth-serum

September 14th, 2009
6:28 pm

The skinny on teague

Situational Statistics: This Year’s Shooting Guard Crop
April 27, 2009
•Jeff Teague’s virtues as a volume shot-creator are incredibly obvious from his situational statistics.

Amongst the group we examined, Teague had a very high usage rate, but was only slight above average in terms of efficiency at .95 PPP. From a broad perspective, that’s a pretty good characterization of his mentality as a scorer, but is doesn’t do justice to how unique he is on the offensive end.

Teague is exceptionally good at getting to the rim, posting an average of 7.8 finishing attempts per game (3rd best), which is quite impressive. Considering his size, it isn’t a big surprise that he sits only slight above average at 1.12 PPP on those attempts. Moving forward, Teague may be able to seamlessly account for his lack of efficiency at the rim with his tremendous pull up jumper. He took 5.3 jumpers off the dribble per game last season, and posted .94 PPP, well above the average of .81 PPP.

Unfortunately, his merit off the dribble doesn’t translate to catch and shoot situations, as he ranks below average at 1.12 PPP on unguarded spot up jumpers, which wasn’t a huge issue for him at Wake Forest since he only took 1.2 catch and shoot jumpers per game overall. He ranks last in Pos/G in that category, and he will have to improve his ability to use those situations on the next level considering his size. Teague is very unique in this aspect, as you don’t see many players who shoot such a large percentage of their jumpers off the dribble.

Teague more than compensates for his limitations with his excellent shot creating ability. He gets out in transition more than any player in the draft at 6.1 Pos/G, and while his 1.01 PPP is a strong indication of his shaky decision-making skills, his speed makes him a great threat to get to the line. The same holds true when you consider how well he scores when he puts the ball on the floor. Few players in this draft are as quick and instinctive off the dribble. Teague’s FG percentage of 51.3% when he drives right is extremely impressive, and his 39.4% going left is above average too. Not only do those drives result in made baskets, but Teague gets fouled on 16.6% of his possessions, easily the most amongst twos.

Teague is an excellent scorer with the ball in his hands, but doesn’t look great on the pick and roll or shooting off of screens, two things he may have to work on when taller and quicker defenders take away some of his driving lanes. He’s not a terribly efficient or fundamentally sound player overall, but with the direction the NBA is heading in, Teague is going to be extremely difficult to defend without fouling on the perimeter (think Aaron Brooks or Louis Williams), which makes him a coveted option in this draft, particularly for teams who lack that type of scoring punch off the bench.

jerrywest

September 14th, 2009
8:39 pm

Melvin

September 14th, 2009
9:28 pm

Aroise,

According to Sekou, look like Stackhouse has some mileage left in those legs. I say sign him now…

“Stack with a nasty block on Teague. Welcome to the NBA young fella. Al is looking so good right now”

“Stackhouse is a man among boys in the paint so far. Three blocks on guys three and four inches taller than him on one sequence!”

rms

September 14th, 2009
9:47 pm

Hey anybody, What are they saying about Ty Lawson?

The Flash

September 14th, 2009
9:58 pm

well done Truth Serum! Like I said, I love the way he enters the lane and shoots on a pull up, step through, or floater, so effortless and economical. His long shots seem to come when players naturally give him a step or two or he floats away from the ball and gets a skip pass.

The take on the pick and roll is interesting. I’m not sure that Wake used that a whole lot. They figured Teague or the guy behind him could break people down with no help, and the white kid they set back screens and maybe used pick and roll a bit with. I watched a lot of ACC ball this year and in terms of style, when his game worked, I liked him better than any player in the league.

richbrave

September 14th, 2009
10:01 pm

doc,Big Ray:

Season is hard upon us. Later.

niremetal

September 14th, 2009
10:04 pm

I’m trying to put on a brave face, but it was tough watching Federer lose tonight. I want him to win 4 slams in a row, and this probably was his last, best shot. Ah well. Good for the young Argentine – with his height, quickness, and coordination, I’m surprised we don’t see him playing alongside Manu and Oberto. Ah well. Now I can go back to focusing on basketball for the rest of the year…

Ariose,

Good for you for even trying – I’ve tried taking up piano a couple times, but I was terrible. I probably looked like a monkey pecking at a typewriter. I truly have no aptitude for playing music, so I’m stuck listening to it. Not that that’s a bad thing with all the great music out there in the world. Right now, The Beatles remasters are keeping me busy. Once Detox comes out, that’ll keep me occupied for awhile too. Too bad Beethoven’s Tenth won’t be popping up anytime soon :) .

Just 3 weeks till the preseason…

doc

September 14th, 2009
10:32 pm

richie, ramping up to be a good one my friend. bravos never could get it rolling this year, need a bat and pleased chipper has said he might hang it up instead of dragging us through his downfall.

sounds like teague is not the second coming of cp3. oh well.

rms

September 14th, 2009
10:43 pm

JerryWest…….Why do they have Teague listed as a SG and not as a PG like Lawson, Rubio and the others. Lawson seems to be very impressive its just too bad we missed him thanks to those morons up there in Minnesota!