That time of year
It's that time of year again for the Mike Woodson and his Hawks. Training camp is just weeks away and the coach and his team are in the crosshairs.
HAWKSVILLE - For those of us pro basketball loyalists, we always know when it’s time to readjust the schedule to get ready for the NBA season.
Labor Day is my reminder.
I know that in the days immediately following the holiday players will start trickling back into town and showing up for voluntary workouts (go ahead and get your jokes about my Wolverines out of the way now so we can move on to basketball matters) on the track and at the Hawks’ practice facility.
It’s as much as a part of my late summer/fall routine as watching football on the weekend. So I’ll be making my way downtown all week to see who shows up and what kind of work they’re doing in anticipation of the start of training camp, which believe it or not is just roughly three weeks away.
The prognosticators already have an idea of what things will look like once the season starts and how the Hawks will do, for example, our friends at HoopsHype have the Hawks pegged for a return to the fourth spot in the Eastern Conference standings.
I prefer to wait until I actually see someone on the move before offering up any sort of hypothesis about where this team might be headed. So while I was standing over my grill Sunday afternoon, basking in the glory of a decisive win for my team Saturday and enjoying the neighborly ambiance of the world’s greatest bedroom community (neighbors bring over steaming hot crawfish pies and ice cold Arnold Palmers when they see the first sign of grill smoke in Smyrna), the conversation turned to the Hawks.
Specifically, the Ridge Road crew wanted to know who has to have the biggest year for the Hawks to continue their climb up the conference ladder and back into the playoffs and perhaps beyond the second round?
It’s a question, I explained, best answered by those of us that spend far too much time worrying ourselves with these things on a daily basis (if you’re reading this, you know who you are). So before I ask for your take, please allow me to offer my five-point answer:
MIKE WOODSON - the Hawks’ sixth-year head coach has weathered every storm that’s come his way thus far, which is a testament to not only his team’s continual improvement but also his ability to compartmentalize during tough times and rally his troops. But this season will provide perhaps the harshest spotlight he’s faced during his tenure. In each of his five previous seasons few people – fans, pundits or anyone else outside of the city of Atlanta – viewed his team as a playoff player. All that has changed in the past 16 months. Woodson’s entering the final year of his deal, which always adds a little extra drama to the situation, with oversized expectations. The roster is 11-deep with proven NBA players (Randolph Morris is still waiting on the chance to prove himself), the deepest the Hawks have been since Woodson arrived. The bottom line, this team goes where Woodson leads them.
JOE JOHNSON - In the same situation as his coach, in terms of heading into the final year of his deal (until further notice, of course), the Hawks’ captain and All-Star faces an interesting dilemma this season. As his younger teammates have matured and the veteran cast been upgraded, Johnson will have to decide how much of the burden he is willing and able to shoulder this season. Physically, the extended minutes have taken a toll the past two seasons, when his playoff performances weren’t consistently up to his own lofty standards. Crazy as this might sound; if his numbers decreased across the board (especially his minutes) I could see him having a better season than any of his first four with the Hawks.
JAMAL CRAWFORD - Anytime you fleece a team the way the Hawks did when they snatched Crawford from the Golden State Warriors for Acie Law IV and Speedy Claxton, folks expect big things. And Crawford has to deliver, whatever his role ends up being. If he “leads the league in scoring off the bench” as one Hawks’ staffer joked to me in the hours after the deal went down, we’d have some story. But if he just maintains his nearly 20-point scoring average this season he’ll make that deal worth it. Any concerns about Crawford’s fit on this team have been assuaged by multiple in-house sources this summer that insist Crawford developed an instant chemistry with everyone within the organization that’s dealt with him. If the on-court chemistry comes as easily, this could wind up being one of the Hawks’ best personnel moves in years. If not …
RICK SUND - You’ll be hard pressed to find anyone that isn’t convinced that the Hawks’ GM has done a masterful job in his first 13 months on the job. He’s made all the right moves and steadied the organization through one of their best seasons in years. But the toughest challenge comes this season. Sund will have to gauge the Hawks’ progress by the February trade deadline and decide if this team, as presently constituted, provides the best chance for long-term success or not. If not, he’ll have to pull the trigger on the right deal to push the Hawks over top (sort of like his predecessor did two years ago when Billy Knight pulled the trigger on the Mike Bibby deal). Gone are the days when the Hawks’ GM could simply suspend the franchise in rebuilding mode or just maintain. The next step is moving upward and onward, and that almost always requires a deft personnel move one way or another.
JEFF TEAGUE/JOE SMITH/JASON COLLINS - These three guys represent everything the Hawks have needed in the form of depth at their two most crucial positions the past five years. Just a rookie, Teague’s ability to adapt to the NBA game and assume a position backing up Bibby is crucial. If his assimilation comes off without a hitch, and we honestly have no way of knowing how it will go, the need for that third point guard won’t be nearly as urgent as it might be otherwise. Smith and Collins are known commodities in the NBA. You get a versatile scorer and defender in Smith, a veteran frontcourt performer that’s always played much bigger than his listed size. In Collins, the Hawks have a 7-footer capable of lending quality minutes in a situational role, particularly on the defensive end. They have to be the support system, along with Zaza Pachulia, that Josh Smith and Al Horford have had to work without the past two years.
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532 comments Add your comment
vava74
September 9th, 2009
12:29 pm
Astro,
To manage a team is to work within what is available for you to do, “the art of the possible”, not to be in the realm of dreams.
Crawford for Acie and Speedy is a good move from ANY angle you look at it, regardless of the fact that we had to sacrifice Flip.
Undisputed Champ!
September 9th, 2009
1:00 pm
Sautee
September 9th, 2009
12:24 pm
I flip has been employed every year of his pro career with various teams. He was orginally a second round draft choice. No one planned to build with him. Flip has tools. I think he has ended up with the staple of a role player a piece you add or use to fill in for your star guard. Kind of a gopher. Flip has too much talent not to end up on some ones team.
Thats flip for 1.5 and Crawford at 9.4 million. For me its a matter of keeping the 8 million. You can keep the extra 4 or 5 points Ill get them some where else. We could just as easily cut the two dead weight guards, they were lame ducks with no guarentees. We sighed Collins for the minimum and Joe smith was not to expensive. I think the money was better spent going after a center, Sautee.
Dashizz357
September 9th, 2009
1:18 pm
Wow, I’m trying to figure out if coach Woodson managed minutes better how many more wins would the Hawks have (Ariose) and would it have changed its playoff position, HELL NO, so what the hell are you taking about?
Salim didn’t play well here so he lost his job, just like he recently did in GS, stop making excuses for these so called million dollar professional athletes, you either get down or you sit down! Work ethics and the love for the game is something coach shouldn’t have to teach!
J Chill left for the money, is that coaches fault also, no….Thats management for not paying him, let’s fire them….
All Sund did was replace people he let go, he didn’t upgrade the team no not one bit….let’s fire him also!!!!!
For you to expect this team to win it all or even make it to the conference finals your smoking some good ish,, let me hit that ish…LOL
Let’s Go Hawks!!!!
Daniel
September 9th, 2009
1:20 pm
First- as VaVa has pointed out the argument isn’t Flip at 1.5 vs. Crawford at 9.5. It is Crawford at 9.5 vs. Flip/Claxton/Law at 9 mil.
I think we Hawks fans in general overvalue Flip because we are not used to having a quality veteran scorer off the bench, so any contribution from Flip was magnified to us. The truth is that he is a journeyman player that is BARELY hanging in the league.
Undisputed Champ- who is this un-named center that you would have had them get instead?
Truth-Serum/Weigh It- Maybe you should try a whole new name with a new approach, because your accusations of racism and school yard name calling make all other statements invalid. Time to start over.
Undisputed Champ!
September 9th, 2009
1:21 pm
Sautee
http://espn.go.com/nba/
KevinA
September 9th, 2009
1:26 pm
Daniel
September 9th, 2009
10:32 am
Astro- Vava is right about Crawford. His contract has been managed well, and your fears that his contract would prevent the Hawks from making other moves has been proven wrong. Crawford is clearly an upgrade from Flip. Like Flip, wish him well but that is just the facts. Everyone in the league can see that.
Kobe and Parker are better than Flip, so is JJ. Flip can be had for 2-3 million – Crawford pay is 9 million . Everyone in the league can see that. I see Crawford’s attempts and minutes cut in almost half from what he is used to. Is 9 million a lot for a player who has no defense and will at average 12 pt’s a game? If Crawford is to get his 35 minutes and 17-20 pt’s Teague would have to almost no minutes and Bibby get much less. I just don’t see that happening.
To resign JJ and pay Al, trading Crawford will prob happen next year if not this year. I want to see Crawford play and see what he can do for the team. My conjecture is not about that. Talent for dollar, Flip is the man, even if it can’t or won’t happen.
It’s all about the money in a down market with a shrinking cap. What is so hard to understand.
If we lived in a perfect world I would trade Bibby, Crawford, Flip, Teague and West for Parker or anyone of that caliber.
Ken Strickland
September 9th, 2009
1:31 pm
Who else but someone with an agenda would post the stats of what’s supposed to be the top centers in the league and deliberately omit listing rebounds and blocks? To me, these are 2 stats that defines the position.
Undisputed Champ!
September 9th, 2009
1:33 pm
KevinA
September 9th, 2009
1:26 pm
Do you have a list of top 5 GMs?
Undisputed Champ!
September 9th, 2009
1:35 pm
That no my list but ESPN list. Sorry.
Daniel
September 9th, 2009
1:41 pm
KevinA did you read my last post?
Daniel
September 9th, 2009
1:46 pm
The comparison is not Flip at 1.5 to Crawford at 9. You HAVE to factor in the salaries of Acie and Craig also!!!!
You actually kept roughly the same team salary, got a better player and opened up two roster spots for other veterans, Smith and Collins, and we did NOT add overall salary with the Crawford trade.
Why is this so hard for you to understand?
Bob Wiess
September 9th, 2009
1:50 pm
I dont think Acie and Craig hand guarentees on their contracts. They were going to be cut.
Sautee
September 9th, 2009
1:53 pm
truth-serum,
I followed your link, which just leads to the NBA page for espn. However, if you click on “stats” and scroll to the bottom of THAT page, you’ll see a link to “nba season leaders” which was the rating of this past season for each player. I’ll spare the blog the listing of the entire league, but here are a few entries of interest to our blog. Here is the link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/seasonleaders?page=0&splitId=13&seasonType=2&teamId=0
At the bottom you’ll find the explanation of the metric used. Too complicated for my math-challenged little brain, but I trust that THEY think it’s fair.
1. LeBron
2. D Wade
3.CPaul
4. Kobe
24. Joe Johnson
50. Jamal Crawford
73. Al Horford
83. Mike Bibby
87. Brook Lopez
105. Marvin Williams
159. Ronald Murray
Thanks for the link.
KevinA
September 9th, 2009
1:55 pm
Daniel,
I think we Hawks fans in general overvalue Flip because we are not used to having a quality veteran scorer off the bench, so any contribution from Flip was magnified to us.
Flip was magnified by him and ZaZa coming out and getting us back in games that JJ and Bibby had dug holes in. In a year that Marvin was hurt and JJ slowed down his drive attempts, you could count on Flip to drive the ball or back down the defender and shoot better that the rest of the back court. He also provided leadership on the second unit. For his little o’l 1.5 million, he was the bargain of the year.
After having said all of that I like Chills better than both Crawford and Flip. He plays better defense and with our switching defense plays much better defense. Besides that he can play 3 positions and is better than Evans to boot. Next year lets get – er- done.
truth-serum
September 9th, 2009
2:00 pm
Sautee
NBA.com
PLAYER NAME, TEAM NAME FG% FT% PTS REB AST STL BLK 3PT TOT
1 Dwight Howard , ORL 9.28 0.00 6.82 10.00 1.28 3.54 10.00 0.00 5.11
2 Ming Yao , HOU 8.57 8.68 6.43 7.07 1.61 1.40 6.58 0.04 5.05
3 Nene Hilario , DEN 9.01 5.97 4.77 5.56 1.26 4.42 4.43 0.04 4.43
4 Mehmet Okur , UTA 5.84 7.50 5.38 5.34 1.46 2.60 2.42 4.28 4.35
5 * Brook Lopez , NJN 7.26 6.99 4.39 5.98 0.94 2.00 6.42 0.00 4.25
6 Al Jefferson , MIN 6.70 6.30 6.24 6.49 1.18 2.31 4.64 0.00 4.23
7 Marcus Camby , LAC 6.05 6.35 3.05 7.18 1.64 2.66 6.50 0.05 4.19
8 Andrea Bargnani , TOR 4.55 7.50 5.06 3.82 1.09 1.58 4.22 5.44 4.16
9 Rasheed Wallace , DET 3.66 6.78 3.65 4.92 1.16 3.13 4.09 5.64 4.13
10 Shaquille O’Neal , PHX 10.00 2.56 5.74 5.94 1.50 2.31 4.80 0.00 4.11
Sautee
September 9th, 2009
2:04 pm
Oh and I forgot and left Josh out. He was # 58.
truth-serum
September 9th, 2009
2:05 pm
Sautee
September 9th, 2009
1:53 pm
See if you can figure out how to isolate centers and power rankings. I know thats a lot to ask for a man who like to substitute relevant numbers with irrelevant ones.
Listen. Im not going to was too much time. Lopez is better than Horford. Im moving on.
Sautee
September 9th, 2009
2:05 pm
truth-serum,
once again, can you send me the link to THAT list?
I gave you the link to the list I found.
truth-serum
September 9th, 2009
2:07 pm
that is waste to much time.
Undisputed Champ!
September 9th, 2009
2:10 pm
I like lopez, Bynum, Dirk, and would have taken a shot at the UCONN’S CENTER. WHO DO YOU LIKE AS CENTER? ARE YOU SOLD ON HORFORD AS THE MAN TO BUILD AROUND?
Ken Strickland
September 9th, 2009
2:14 pm
For anyone to use salary alone to justify having Flip over Crawford shows a very narrow minded view and limited perception. Signing JCrawford($9.36M), who’s demonstrated the ability to put up JJ type numbers, allowed us to get rid of ALaw($2.2M), who contributed little, and SClaxton($5.2M), who contributed virtually nothing.
It also allowed us to eliminate the need for Flip($1.5M), and his ballhogging, one man offensive issues. The 1 for 3 exchange sounds like a very good deal to me. It also lessens the responsibilities of a HC that’s demonstrated an unwillingness or inability to manage players mins and extended rotations.
Crawford is being paid starter money because he has starter talent. Flip has been accepting minimum contracts because it’s obvious he’s not considered starter talent. Crawford gives us far better insurance against the possible loss of JJ to injury or free agency than Flip.
truth-serum
September 9th, 2009
2:19 pm
Sautee
September 9th, 2009
2:05 pm
YEAH, AND WHEN I READ THE LINK IT WAS CLEAR YOU WERE IN VIOLATION OF THE STATISTIC ABUSE LAW. YOU ARE FUNNY, AND YOUR PURPOSE CLEAR.
Listen. We have agreed that Lopez placed better numbers than horford in head to head. Youve clearly stated that Lopez is better. Cool. We agree. I do think the dead horse is …. dead?
I also agree with you that we have the team that will begin the year in place. It will be interesting to see if there will be any early or late personnel changes. Lets agree that this is a good team that should win 50 games or better. For better or worse heres a toast to the Hawks! Go birds.
Daniel
September 9th, 2009
2:20 pm
Ken Strickland- I don’t understand why people don’t get that point. I keep saying it over and over. Well, I appreciate you trying as well.
trump card
September 9th, 2009
2:31 pm
ITS AMAZING HOW ON ONE HAND ITS WOODYS FAULT ACIE WAS A BUST BUT ON THE OTHER HAND IT WAS NICE TO SHED ACIE BECAUSE HE BROUGHT NOTHING TO THE TABLE. HOW CONVENIENT.
Ken Strickland
September 9th, 2009
2:33 pm
BOB WIESS-Both ALaw’s $2.2M and Speedy’s $5.2M contracts are guaranteed. Otherwise, the Warriors wouldn’t be obligated to pay either player the amount they’re due on their respective contracts this yr.
Get a clue before making another feable attempt to justify your B.S.
Just checking in
September 9th, 2009
2:35 pm
I dont believe there was much left to either of those too guards contract. We could have just as easy wrote them off. They were at or near the end of there contracts so there was no savior in the crawford contract. Just unfrugal use of resources.
Just checking in
September 9th, 2009
2:37 pm
Dashizz357, You may have a valid point. Can you elaborate more.
BOB WIESS
September 9th, 2009
2:38 pm
THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT KEN. NOW CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH WOOD COULD A WOODYHATER CHUCK IF A WOODYHATER COULD CHUCK WOOD?
Sautee
September 9th, 2009
2:39 pm
truth-serum,
about this: “I know thats a lot to ask for a man who like to substitute relevant numbers with irrelevant ones. ”
I’ll take offense at that. Show me the false numbers I posted.
I just gave you a chart, following the very link that YOU sent to me, showing Lopez rating lower than Horford. Now all of a sudden you want to run away?
That’s not like you t-s.
And you accuse me of “substituting relevant numbers with irrelevant ones” when you came on Bradley’s blog and SWORE that Horford only blocked 0.68 shots per game last season. Of course you were wrong and had looked at his playoff stats, when he was playing on one leg. But did you admit it? No, instead you said this:
“truth-serum
June 21st, 2009
6:27 pm
Sautee
June 21st, 2009
4:17 pm
Oh I see you are using outdated stats from 08 and not this years stats from 09-10″
Yes, you said that. Here’s the link if you want: http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2009/09/07/that-time-of-year/comment-page-4/#comment-29468
Maybe you shouldn’t be so accusatory until that beam is out of your eye. And you STILL have yet to admit that Horford indeed blocked 1.42 shots per game last season, and that you were wrong. And, by the way, the 09-10 stats haven’t happened yet.
About your LAST question, I would wait and see how Horford develops this year before deciding if he should be a 4 or a 5. I think he shows promise, and is VERY solid, but I’m not “sold” on him being the Center. But he’s by far the best “center” on the team, and likely as good or better than whomever we would have been willing / able to trade for. Which is more a commentary on the dearth of available, solid big men than a plug for Horford.
Sautee
September 9th, 2009
2:46 pm
truth-serum,
“YEAH, AND WHEN I READ THE LINK IT WAS CLEAR YOU WERE IN VIOLATION OF THE STATISTIC ABUSE LAW. YOU ARE FUNNY, AND YOUR PURPOSE CLEAR.”
What on earth does THIS mean? I went to the link YOU sent and found something inconvenient for your argument. What clear purpose do you mean?
And what am I in violation of, if I used the link YOU sent me to find that chart?
I’m truly sorry for you that the link YOU sent weakened your own argument. Irony is a b*tch sometimes.
Sautee
September 9th, 2009
2:51 pm
Excuse me, but that last link was wrong. Here’s the link to Bradley’s old blog:
http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/2009/06/17/say-goodbye-to-marvin-williams-hello-to-caron-butler/comment-page-4/#comments
niremetal
September 9th, 2009
2:57 pm
truth-serum
Just checking in
Bob Wiess (isn’t it supposed to be Weiss?)
undisputed champ
Seriously, get a clue whoever you are. If you’re going to post as 4+ different people, at least have the common sense to check the dictionary or a 3rd grade grammar textbook every once in awhile so that you don’t make the EXACT same spelling/grammar/typographical errors and use the EXACT same syntax.
Truth-serum
September 9th, 2009
2:59 pm
you are funny Sautee. September 9th, 2009
1:53 pm
Listen. We have agreed that Lopez placed better numbers than horford in head to head. Youve clearly stated that Lopez is better. Cool. We agree. I do think the dead horse is …. dead?
I also agree with you that we have the team that will begin the year in place. It will be interesting to see if there will be any early or late personnel changes. Lets agree that this is a good team that should win 50 games or better. For better or worse heres a toast to the Hawks! Go birds.
Ever see a dog chasing his tail?
Im not wasting further time.
Thanks for your opinion of Horford.
Sautee
September 9th, 2009
2:39 pm
Vs
Sautee
September 9th, 2009
1:53 pm
you have too different links and I gave you neither.
Truth-serum
September 9th, 2009
3:00 pm
thats two different links
Daniel
September 9th, 2009
3:00 pm
Just checking in- your 2:35 post is just wrong. Both had one year gaurenteed left on their contracts which equaled roughly 9 milion.
Oh by the way, that is the way the whole league is run. It is part of the rules in making trades that the value of the assests must be equal. I am glad that you don’t “believe” that, but it really just demonstrates how little you understand about the league or contracts. So, I don’t see how you bring much value to player discussion when you seem to know so little of the basics.
Just checking in
September 9th, 2009
3:03 pm
I appreciate the correction. Daniel. Thanks
Daniel
September 9th, 2009
3:04 pm
gauranteed
joe mama
September 9th, 2009
3:05 pm
niremetal
September 9th, 2009
2:57 pm
ken
ray
daniel
vava74
its all the same person
Daniel
September 9th, 2009
3:06 pm
niremental- thanks for pointing that out. I didn’t get that just checking in was truth-serum. I have given up on that dude, since he calls people that don’t agree with him racist.
joe mama
September 9th, 2009
3:07 pm
niremetal
ken
ray
daniel
the hate is the same no matter what you call yourself.
Daniel
September 9th, 2009
3:10 pm
that is really funny because usually ken and ray and I disagree on most things.
Also, vava lives in portugal. I live here in Decatur.
nice try though
joe mama
September 9th, 2009
3:16 pm
niremetal
ken
ray
daniel
What do you think of Michael Vick and his chances this year?
Joe mama
September 9th, 2009
3:25 pm
niremetal
ken
ray
daniel
you disagree with yourself because you are confused. Blinded by all that hate.
Doug
September 9th, 2009
3:28 pm
I haven’t posted for awhile and was upbraided by Ariose for harping on the obvious and clear superiority of Crawford to Flip…I go away and come back to Ken and Daniel having to explain…yet again…..ad naseum…that A. Crawford is a SIGNIFICANT upgrade in talent and B. The Hawks made this significant upgrade for a negligible boost in overall salary, i.e. the aforementioned 3 salsaries for 1. How some peole cannot see that is mind numbing….but they are the same people calling for us to sign Flip…as if there was some need he would fill that Crawford AND Teague will not fill better…way better!!
Melvin
September 9th, 2009
3:39 pm
Ariose,
You are right, I should have said Superman but I was thinking that his pts avg was below 20. My badd.
How yall feel about the Hawks picking up a veteran wingman like Stackhouse? I see that he’s playing pickup games in the Hawks facilities as well. I think he would be a good addition at the vet min for this team….
Ken Strickland
September 9th, 2009
3:55 pm
JUST CHECHIN IN-isn’t it rather obvious the Warriors were in cost cutting mode when they traded JCrawford for Acie and Speedy’s expiring contracts?
You now something TRUTH SERUM, I understand why you post under so many different names. You are basically ignorant, and your basketball knowledge is just sooo limited. Rather than admit that you’re wrong, you post under another name to avoid embarrassment and facing your obvious ignorance.
You obviously crave attention, and you want to be a part of these blogs. However, you should stop running from your obvious ignorance and try to learn something for a change. Opinions are like A$$ holes, everybody has one and they all stink. However, your uninformed opinions smell like a family of angry skunks crawled up yours.
Daniel
September 9th, 2009
3:59 pm
Melvin- very interesting, you think he would sign with the Hawks for vet min? I was under the impression that the Hawks would not add any more salary at this moment in order to give them flexability during the season if they need to upgrade.
I dunno about Stackhouse, but my first thought is that sounds like a good idea, do you think he could play any 3?
niremetal
September 9th, 2009
4:02 pm
truth-serum
Just checking in
Bob Wiess (isn’t it supposed to be Weiss?)
undisputed champ
joe mama
No really. You’re pathetic. You even included someone (vava74) who strongly dissents from the view of Woody than Ken and I take. Ray is something of a moderate on Woody compared to a LOT of people around here. In any case, including vava, who has been in shouting matches with Ken and myself about Woody, proves that you just lash out against people who disagree with you.
All the aliases I listed above are aliases that use the same syntax and make the same 3rd grade errors over and over again. We all know you’re the same person. But hey, it’s your time. It’s just amusing that you are so amazingly [insert synonym for "ignorant" or "dim-witted"] that you can’t vary your personas even a little bit. But keep it up. We all need laughs in this economy.
Sautee
September 9th, 2009
4:14 pm
truth-serum,
I’m sorry that you feel like you can’t be wrong. But you can and are. Yes, I said that head to head, Lopez had a SLIGHT edge (he IS a seven footer, after all), but the chart that YOUR link sent me to (and here’s where you linked, since you now deny it):
Undisputed Champ!
September 9th, 2009
1:21 pm
Sautee
http://espn.go.com/nba/
That link led me to the chart that espn said was the “season leaders”.
On THAT chart Horford was above Lopez. You can’t deny it so now you say you didn’t send the link. Getting desperate now, are we?
Rod from College Park
September 9th, 2009
4:19 pm
Nire,
“But I hate to break it to you – you can put on as many disguises as you want. You still only get 1 vote. Just like a certain Marvin-hating person we all can name.”
I thought we had an agreement that we would cease on taking cheap shots at each other. Oh that’s right, you are studying to be a lawyer, so nothing you say can be believed. See how easy that was. Again I have never posted as anyone other than myself, and if you don’t believe it, ask one of your BUBBA CREW members to verify it. I know some of them have admin capacity, so use your law degree and investigate. Because there is another person who is not in the BUBBA CREW who agrees with my stance on Marvin, does not mean that it has to be me. So I guess it’s back on again.
Kevin A,
“Critiquing players and coach/GM along with cheering them on is what a blog is all about? What I don’t understand is why people take it personal.”
Great point. It’s only the BUBBA CREW that takes it personal. They use the word Hating without understanding what the term really means. Hating is when you dislike someone or something for no reason, or because you are jealous of them. I have a reason to dislike Marvin’s game therefore I cannot be hating and in no way am I jealous of him. I dislike his game, not him.