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		<title>By: Big Ray</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2009/08/25/still-talking-about-joe/comment-page-5/#comment-28677</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 05:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New blog up, y&#039;all</description>
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		<title>By: The Truth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2009/08/25/still-talking-about-joe/comment-page-5/#comment-28675</link>
		<dc:creator>The Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 05:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://hoopshype.com/players/bobby_jackson.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
Introducing our 3rd PG Option; An alternative to Flip; Bibby would be pleased with the reunion. Woody loves experience guys so qualifies.
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Introducing our 3rd PG Option; An alternative to Flip; Bibby would be pleased with the reunion. Woody loves experience guys so qualifies.<br />
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		<title>By: Big Ray</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2009/08/25/still-talking-about-joe/comment-page-5/#comment-28674</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 05:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ariose, 


Scary percentage, isn&#039;t it? But that, like his defense, gets glossed over every time it&#039;s brought up. Why? Because he &quot;brings so much to the table&quot;, is the most common refrain. Here&#039;s the trick: it&#039;s &quot;true&quot;, but it also shows just how bad off we&#039;ve been in the point guard category for the last 5 or so years. 

Bibby is what I would call a &quot;substantial shadow&quot; of his former self. He&#039;s still got some substance, and he&#039;s not incapable of playing good ball. But he&#039;s not the player he once was by a good margin. 

Funny thing is, all that and he only averaged one point per game less than Mr. Jameer Nelson, who got an all-star nod for nearly identical stats last year. Heh. Truth be told, I&#039;ve used Bibby&#039;s curse of having never made it to the all-star game against silly arguments (you know, the kind where people say that Bibby is so great, he doesn&#039;t need to play passable defense and shooting from the arc on nearly half of all your FG attempts is just fine) , but the fact is....dude was robbed. If Jameer can be named an all-star, surely Bibby should have been named an alternate at least 3 times in his career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ariose, </p>
<p>Scary percentage, isn&#8217;t it? But that, like his defense, gets glossed over every time it&#8217;s brought up. Why? Because he &#8220;brings so much to the table&#8221;, is the most common refrain. Here&#8217;s the trick: it&#8217;s &#8220;true&#8221;, but it also shows just how bad off we&#8217;ve been in the point guard category for the last 5 or so years. </p>
<p>Bibby is what I would call a &#8220;substantial shadow&#8221; of his former self. He&#8217;s still got some substance, and he&#8217;s not incapable of playing good ball. But he&#8217;s not the player he once was by a good margin. </p>
<p>Funny thing is, all that and he only averaged one point per game less than Mr. Jameer Nelson, who got an all-star nod for nearly identical stats last year. Heh. Truth be told, I&#8217;ve used Bibby&#8217;s curse of having never made it to the all-star game against silly arguments (you know, the kind where people say that Bibby is so great, he doesn&#8217;t need to play passable defense and shooting from the arc on nearly half of all your FG attempts is just fine) , but the fact is&#8230;.dude was robbed. If Jameer can be named an all-star, surely Bibby should have been named an alternate at least 3 times in his career.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariose</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2009/08/25/still-talking-about-joe/comment-page-5/#comment-28667</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.....Siler &gt; Collins...just saiyn&#039;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;..Siler &gt; Collins&#8230;just saiyn&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ariose</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2009/08/25/still-talking-about-joe/comment-page-5/#comment-28666</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;At 34, Ray(Allen) is almost exclusively a shooter. Forty-six percent of his field goal attempts last season were threes, putting him on par with Mike Bibby (42%), Kyle Korver (47%), Quentin Richardson (49%) and other guys who stopped attacking the rim around the same time they stopped wearing t-shirts under their jersey.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

http://dimemag.com/2009/08/whos-better-ray-allen-or-michael-redd/

I wish we could put Mike in a time machine lol. Take him back Six or Seven years...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;At 34, Ray(Allen) is almost exclusively a shooter. Forty-six percent of his field goal attempts last season were threes, putting him on par with Mike Bibby (42%), Kyle Korver (47%), Quentin Richardson (49%) and other guys who stopped attacking the rim around the same time they stopped wearing t-shirts under their jersey.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><a href="http://dimemag.com/2009/08/whos-better-ray-allen-or-michael-redd/" rel="nofollow">http://dimemag.com/2009/08/whos-better-ray-allen-or-michael-redd/</a></p>
<p>I wish we could put Mike in a time machine lol. Take him back Six or Seven years&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ariose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*year or two</description>
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		<title>By: Ken Strickland</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2009/08/25/still-talking-about-joe/comment-page-5/#comment-28662</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Strickland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JAHAN-even the Pistons, Woodson&#039;s former employer, didn&#039;t give him serious consideration for their vacant HC position, and he was definitely without a contract and available at the time. 

TARRELL BARRON-I remember Jon &quot;CONTRACT&quot; Koncak well. He actually had an outstanding season after replacing injured PF Kevin Willis. Now that was a situation of forcing a player to play a position he wasn&#039;t best suited for. Even though he was big, and 6&#039; 11&quot;-7&#039;, he just didn&#039;t have the skills to play center. The one time he was given the opportunity to play PF, he excelled. Once Willis returned, Koncak went back to being the backup center. I think they paid him all that money because they thought there was a very good possibility they&#039;d loseor be forced to get rid of KWillis.

ASTRO JOE-how many GM&#039;s would consider hiring a HC that&#039;s proven he&#039;s willing to challenge the authority of the GM that hired him? If former GM BKnight hadn&#039;t made the trade for Bibby, does anyone really think we would have made the playoffs that yr? If current GM RSund hadn&#039;t resigned Smoove and signed FA&#039;s MEvans and FMurray, do you think we&#039;d have been the 4th seed or even made the playoffs last yr?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JAHAN-even the Pistons, Woodson&#8217;s former employer, didn&#8217;t give him serious consideration for their vacant HC position, and he was definitely without a contract and available at the time. </p>
<p>TARRELL BARRON-I remember Jon &#8220;CONTRACT&#8221; Koncak well. He actually had an outstanding season after replacing injured PF Kevin Willis. Now that was a situation of forcing a player to play a position he wasn&#8217;t best suited for. Even though he was big, and 6&#8242; 11&#8243;-7&#8242;, he just didn&#8217;t have the skills to play center. The one time he was given the opportunity to play PF, he excelled. Once Willis returned, Koncak went back to being the backup center. I think they paid him all that money because they thought there was a very good possibility they&#8217;d loseor be forced to get rid of KWillis.</p>
<p>ASTRO JOE-how many GM&#8217;s would consider hiring a HC that&#8217;s proven he&#8217;s willing to challenge the authority of the GM that hired him? If former GM BKnight hadn&#8217;t made the trade for Bibby, does anyone really think we would have made the playoffs that yr? If current GM RSund hadn&#8217;t resigned Smoove and signed FA&#8217;s MEvans and FMurray, do you think we&#8217;d have been the 4th seed or even made the playoffs last yr?</p>
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		<title>By: The Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flip seems to be picky these days about his terms and playing situation. Would he want a third PG role for vet min? The only upside with the Hawks is bird rights next year. I&#039;m not sure we could come to terms with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flip seems to be picky these days about his terms and playing situation. Would he want a third PG role for vet min? The only upside with the Hawks is bird rights next year. I&#8217;m not sure we could come to terms with him.</p>
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		<title>By: Sautee</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2009/08/25/still-talking-about-joe/comment-page-5/#comment-28660</link>
		<dc:creator>Sautee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hoops,

Keep trying, man, I know that somewhere Flip appreciates all you&#039;ve done.

vava74,

You said this: &quot;The perception that Woody is not a good player developer is based on the fact that Salim and Acie failed to live up to the their respective expectations, in particular Acie.&quot;

For me, it wasn&#039;t as much about living up to expectations as it was a decent opportunity. When you go for 11 pts., 7 assists and ZERO turnovers (in 15:28 on 2/10) and the very next game get a dnp-cd, well that&#039;s not a fair opportunity is it?

For me it was THAT kind of thing that made me think he was a poor developer.

But you ARE correct that they both were ultimately disappointments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoops,</p>
<p>Keep trying, man, I know that somewhere Flip appreciates all you&#8217;ve done.</p>
<p>vava74,</p>
<p>You said this: &#8220;The perception that Woody is not a good player developer is based on the fact that Salim and Acie failed to live up to the their respective expectations, in particular Acie.&#8221;</p>
<p>For me, it wasn&#8217;t as much about living up to expectations as it was a decent opportunity. When you go for 11 pts., 7 assists and ZERO turnovers (in 15:28 on 2/10) and the very next game get a dnp-cd, well that&#8217;s not a fair opportunity is it?</p>
<p>For me it was THAT kind of thing that made me think he was a poor developer.</p>
<p>But you ARE correct that they both were ultimately disappointments.</p>
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		<title>By: Hoops</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hoops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O&#039;kay guys, we will have 4.6M left to sign 3 players after we sign Collins for the Vet Min. I would predict that we will sign Siler and Hunter. That leaves us with one player to sign. West or Flip. If I am Woodson and I am up for a contract, I would go with Flip! That&#039;s an easy call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O&#8217;kay guys, we will have 4.6M left to sign 3 players after we sign Collins for the Vet Min. I would predict that we will sign Siler and Hunter. That leaves us with one player to sign. West or Flip. If I am Woodson and I am up for a contract, I would go with Flip! That&#8217;s an easy call.</p>
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