True or False in Hawksville!
What's Joe Johnson going to do, take the Hawks' extension offer or leave it? No one knows because the Hawks' quiet All-Star and captain isn't saying.
HAWKSVILLE - While we wait for this week’s transaction(s) to be completed, why don’t we dive into a quick game of True or False-Hawksville style.
True or False, Joe Smith is going to sign with the Hawks?
True. And it could happen any day (if you haven’t leaned by now how critical that phrase is around here, I can’t help you). So what’s the hold up? Well, these contracts don’t work themselves out magically. They have to be negotiated and fine-toothed by agents and attorneys and whoever else has a stake in them. It’s not rocket science on this one, a one-year deal at the veteran’s minimum (of $1.3 million). I’d tell you to be patient and that things will work out but you’ve been doing that for weeks now. Again, the deal could be finalized any day now, so stay tuned.
True or False, the Hawks are interested in adding Jason Hart to their point guard mix?
False. It was reported somewhere that the Hawks were one of three teams in the running to add the veteran to their mix. I’ve since found out that someone got it twisted. The Hawks were never in the market for Hart (or any other point guard they were interested in adding). They’ve got Mike Bibby, Jeff Teague and veteran safety net in Jamal Crawford. If the Hawks were going to add another 6-3 point or combo guard to their mix they could have retained Flip Murray rather than hitting the free agent market for someone else. And before you ask, no, they do not have designs on bringing Flip back (that’s right, no more FlipMo Squad references around here).
True or False, the Hawks will add another veteran big man or two in addition to Joe Smith?
True. And we’ve already discussed two guys in particular, Johan Petro and Jason Collins, that could be in that mix. And that doesn’t include rookie behemoth Garret Siler, who will be on the Hawks’ training camp roster. But all of those reasonable fears about this team’s size and depth on the frontline could be wiped away with the addition of any two of these aforementioned larger humans.
True or False, the Hawks’ ownership feud is officially over?
Not exactly true or false. But things took a decisive turn with Monday’s court ruling in favor of the seven-man Atlanta/Washington, D.C., contingent. The options for the other partner, Boston-based Steve Belkin, were mapped out in today’s paper. One more option Belkin has that wasn’t listed: he can just walk away from his initial investment in the teams. He wouldn’t have to pay the $25.8 million in cash calls he’s missed during the litigation but he would also have to forfeit his 30 percent ownership stake. It will be interesting to see where things go from here.
True or False, the Hawks will sign Joe Smith before Joe Johnson agrees to a contract extension?
True. Barring a sudden change in the tone I’m hearing from folks in the know, Mr. Smith will definitely beat JJ to the punch on this one. In fact, no one seems to know which way JJ is leaning since the Hawks extended their offer for an extension. We’ve already talked about the figures (4-years, $62-$64 million range). It’s a huge decision and JJ has time, it’s not like he has to decide this minute. So I didn’t expect his process to be sped up just for our sake. If nothing shakes (one way or the other) by the start of training camp … then it might be time to start wondering what the heck is going on.
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vava74
August 24th, 2009
3:29 am
Ken,
You may have a point – I personally don’t think you have – however, you cannot counter argue to the following:
Good defensive teams, which are poor offensively, win more games than good offensive teams which are poor defensively.
Also, the Showtime Lakers were OK on defense but not excellent: They won because the ran under Magic’s command AND had Kareen still effective in the post for half court sets.
Get Al to master the skyhook and I will also agree for us to run more often!
Big Ray
August 24th, 2009
5:32 am
VaVa74,
“Good defensive teams, which are poor offensively, win more games than good offensive teams which are poor defensively.”
I think that’s an excellent point. As for Al mastering the skyhook, I’m all for it, but I don’t think it’s necessary in particular for us to increase our running game. This team has just about all the tools to run more, and we should. Our very “disadvantages” would even suggest so. Everybody complains about our lack of size, and it’s obvious that we have trouble against the larger teams in the half court setting.
It’s not that I think we should become a running team like Golden State or Phoenix (well, they aren’t quite the same these days). I’m not sure a full time gig like that is going to work anyway. But I do think we need to do it more. Better defense and better rebounding will always help jumpstart it. Fastbreak opportunities abound when turnovers are forced.
Still, I understand your thinking behind the Al Horford comment. We do need for our best big man to have solid go-to moves.
Daniel
August 24th, 2009
8:59 am
Alright Sekou we have been patient (ha!) what is the deal with Joe Smith?
Daniel
August 24th, 2009
9:01 am
Yahoo- as someone who had been criical of you before. I want to state that I think it is VERY appropriate to remind us all that we should not take the Lord’s name in vain. I don’t think you came across as judgemental at all. We all get a little frustrated and sometimes say things we don’t mean, but that is exactly why we need to mind our tongue (and keyboard).
Big Ray- I also know where you are coming from too.
Anakin Joe
August 24th, 2009
9:19 am
Ray, I’m asking about something more quantifiable, like scoring avergae, field-goal shooting percentage, offensive efficiency or some other metric that bloggers feel is a good indicator of offensive performance. For example, I like opposing team’s field goal percentage as a very good measure of a team’s defense. Some teams could play a pro-version of 4 quarters, slow the game down and allow very few points. But that is more about their offense and less about their defense. But if you are defending well, forcing bad shots, blocking shots, etc, then the field goal percentage of the opposing team should be bad. Granted it doesn’t take into account forcing turnovers or hacking shooters and creating a bunch of free throw attempts, but I still like it as a good barometer. So my question is, what is a good one to measure a team’s offense?
doc, who needs to change their stripes, Woody or Teague?
terrell barron
August 24th, 2009
9:24 am
Is Joe Smith a Hawk yet?????
PDubATL
August 24th, 2009
9:44 am
Sekou, wasn’t it reported that the Hawks extended qualifying offers to both Solo and Mario? We let Solo go so he could pursue greener pastures (i.e. play time) up in Indy, but what’s the deal with Rio? Did his QO expire, thus requiring him to play his way back onto the roster?
doc
August 24th, 2009
9:48 am
aj, since i spent a whole soliloquy on woody’s stripes and was referring to him earlier as one whose stripes hadnt changed in the throes of developing a point guard with two years left on a contract, uh who do you think? again, i have heard your mea culpa and the rose glasses about acie. dont think it has jack to do with whether woody changes his tactics with one or twos years left as he couldnt manage to change with two years left last year. that argument just doent compute aj.
Anakin Joe
August 24th, 2009
10:18 am
doc, I guess I don’t understnd the tactics that need to change relative to playing rookies. He gives them a couple of months to get their feet wet and if they produce they stay in the rotation and if they don;t then he moves on to ensure the team’s success. Again, I’m not sure why that would need to change (regardless of contract status).
vava74
August 24th, 2009
10:28 am
Big Ray,
Thank you for the props. I think you got the reasoning behind my post but I’ll clarify it further for the rest of the guys:
Running teams or semi-running teams must be prepared to play half court, specially in the playoffs.
This means that we reeeeally need Al and J-Smoove to improve their offensive moves around the basket and to improve their rebounding significantly.
People complain about JJ’s ball pounding and ISO-play but if you look at the current hability of our front court it is easy to conclude that their offensive reportoire down low is limited both technically (lack of go-to moves) and physically (lack of size).
Hence, I think Woody has privileged winning (with JJ holding the rock) rather than testing an offense which would envolve untested and undeveloped low post moves by Al and J-Smoove and, sincerelly, I think that we cannot take offense on that.
Daniel
August 24th, 2009
10:38 am
vav74- I think those are reasonable points; although developing a low post game depends on touches and have Josh Smith behind the 3 point line is NOT a good scheme. Josh has shown flashes of some nice low post moves with an up and under and running hook. I hope that he and Horford make a home in the low post this year.
vava74
August 24th, 2009
11:00 am
Hi Daniel,
Developing low post moves STARTS with practice, on and off-season.
I think J-Smoove is more interested in taking jumpshots and I think that Woody parks him outside to keep him happy more than by his own choice (it shows weakness but also a willingness to try and satisfy everyone).
You should not forget that if Woody really tried to discipline J-Smoove, EVERYONE would come in J-Smoove’s defence instead of the opposite.
gwite
August 24th, 2009
11:21 am
Pdub,
according to his article dated this past Saturday, Sekou said that Mario’s contract offer is non-guaranteed. This is the type of deal he has been on since he has been a Hawk. Yes, he has to “make” the team.
http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-hawks/will-mario-make-121618.html
Yahweh
August 24th, 2009
11:28 am
Some of y’all are confused.
Who gets in to my kingdom….. one who occasionally slips and uses my name in vain but otherwise is respectful of others…..or
someone who hides behind a computer to judge others for whatever on a PUBLIC forum?
My decision to make, but remember I DID say “judge not, the ye yourselves shall be judged”.
And LOTS of y’all are judging, even if you are blind to it.
STOP IT!
Believe me, I care a whole lot less about name usage than how you treat each other.
Shalom
Mike
August 24th, 2009
11:46 am
Tribe…9pm post last night…100% agreed.
We need updates on whether Josh is working on post game…Is Marvin improving his handle and court instincts (is this possible). What is Al doing to take his game to the next level.
We are a month til training camp and I think we would all like some more updates on our core group. A solid bench is vital in the NBA but its our core of stars and there continued growth that is going to bring us closer to the 3 seed
The Truth
August 24th, 2009
11:48 am
Sekou
What gives? You spoke so affirmative about the Joe Smith signing in this article; we are beginning to wonder or even worst we are beginning to doubt. Can you share your source with us or is it anonymous? Inquiry minds want to know. I know you have printed recent articles involving Mario, Horford and even Ownership, but right now, THE JOE SMITH ISSUE IS THE 100 LB GORRILA IN THE ROOM.
Anakin Joe
August 24th, 2009
11:57 am
Pure speculation on my part, but I wonder if Joe Smith has a mystery injury. I wonder if he either hasn’t passed on can’t yet pass a physical. Again, just pure speculation on my part as I try to think of reasons why this isn’t yet done. Maybe, because they have an agreement in principle, they aren’t in any rush. Maybe, with a signing of tis nature, the ink to paper is a mere formality that can happen whenever they get around to it. In another week, this will beome a September signing. Strange.
gwite
August 24th, 2009
12:10 pm
Remember what Marvin Williams said about all of the “crazy” reports of his “signing”.
As Sekou said earlier, all of the Joe Smith signing talk, up to this point, is “hearsay”.
Daniel
August 24th, 2009
12:54 pm
Yahweh- Does that apply to a person who writes a blog in your name? Especially when that “person” sits in judgement of others because he sees them as being judgemental?
Hard to get the splinter out of your neighbors eye when there is a plank in yours.
Daniel
August 24th, 2009
12:57 pm
Interesting thought AJ, but I am inclined to go with your second thought, which is that no one is in a rush to get pen to paper, because the deal is done in principle. Maybe Sund and Smith are just missing each other because of vacation, travel, etc.
At least that is what I hope that is what is causing the hold up.
MsDee
August 24th, 2009
12:58 pm
I say if the Hawks were smart u dont’t offer JJ an extension right now..I say this for 3 main reasons:
With no extension,,
1) JJ plays his BUTT off to get the money he wants
2) making our chances that much greater to passing orlando for the 3rd best team in the east &
3) giving us the chance to be #1 in our division..
With an extension
1) JJ can once again play lacks in doubled-team situations knowing he is locked to another guaranteed 3-4 yrs.
Yahweh
August 24th, 2009
1:01 pm
Daniel,
Don’t make me come down there.
Daniel
August 24th, 2009
1:06 pm
MS Dee- all I can say is that I am glad you are not the GM. That makes no sense whatsoever.
Yahweh- Don’t worry, I’ll catch you when you fall off your high horse.
darrell starks
August 24th, 2009
1:13 pm
I dont care what no one say we need flip.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
August 24th, 2009
1:15 pm
Who care if we sign 34year old joe smith i dont.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
Ken Strickland
August 24th, 2009
1:19 pm
VAVA74-I won’t attempt to counter you statement, but I will offer a modification. Good DEF teams don’t necessarily win more gms, particularly during the regular season, but they do tend to win more playoff gms and championships. As far as the SHOWTIME Lakers are concerned, you don’t make as many finals and win as many NBA titles as they did without playing above average DEF, especially against the competition thay went up against to win.
I want us to play uptempo because it best suits our talent and allows us to use our primary strengths(speed, quickness, versatility and athleticism) to overcome our primary weaknesses(overall size, strength and the inability to consistently score inside). Most teams with size and strength don’t have the stamina and speed to run, especially for 4qtrs. If your team is usually overmatched in size and strength against the top teams in the league, you have to use your strengths to over come theirs. You don’t stubbornly and repeatedly try to overcome their strengths with your weaknesses.
So, when we insist on playing a halfcourt OFF, whether it’s JJ’s or Woody’s decision, we’re not maximizing our chances to win because we’re playing to their strengths, not ours. And if Bibby can’t maintain an uptempo OFF, he should contribute off the bench. After all, you can’t allow a one dimensional PG that plays no DEF to prevent your team from playing the style of OFF it’s best suited to play, no matter how much you like him.
If any HC wants to play a certain style of OFF, and insists on resigning players that aren’t suited to playing that particular style, then that HC needs to wiseup and adjust, plain and simple.
Daniel
August 24th, 2009
1:27 pm
Ken- I know it is August and we are all a bit edgy and bored right now, but man, we keep hearing the same argument from you over and over. We all get it. You think Woodson has not done a good job as HC. You do not think our improved win totals are a good indication of the job Woodson has done. We should run more, develop rookies better (amazingly the development of Horford, Williams and Smith don’t count)and if someone else were coaching this team(don’t know who) we would have already at least been in the conference finals.
Good grief, how many ways do we have to hear the same thing?
Anakin Joe
August 24th, 2009
1:32 pm
Just out of curiosity (back to my point about quantifiable stats), where do you guys think the Hawks ranked last year in fast break points? Top third of the league? Middle third? Or bottom third?
Anakin Joe
August 24th, 2009
1:42 pm
Manny, jhan & Samuel, I think one of you guys should draft Michael Beasley in the 1st round of the fanatsy draft. It would be a risk-free selection.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4419340
doc
August 24th, 2009
1:48 pm
aj i am confused arent you making the argument that woody might not play rooks if he had less than a two year contract? maybe i misread or misinterpreted something on your argument of signing woody so he would develop players.
gwite
August 24th, 2009
2:37 pm
I think it’s great that Beasly(or someone) acknowledged/realized there was a serious problem, and steps are being taken to deal with it.
Dude will probably be a monster next season. I remember one game this past season where he was nearly destroying the Hawks. I think the Hawks may still have won the game, but Beasly was tearing it up.
doc
August 24th, 2009
2:43 pm
aj cruel man. didnt beasley have a bit of a bad rap on him before he left college?
Anakin Joe
August 24th, 2009
2:59 pm
doc, oh yeah, and I also remember the rumors that Pat Riley was hoping to trade out f the #2 pick because he wasn;t a big fan of Beasley. So maybe some of those issues came up during the background check. I always thought it was strange that Riley seemed less-than-thrilled, considering Beasley looked like a potential scoring machine in college (and a potentially great side-kick for Wade). Again, i wish other young men with demons would atack the problem early, like Beasley appears to be doing.
RMan
August 24th, 2009
3:10 pm
Where’s the beef? And while I’m at it, where’s the beat writer?
Anakin Joe
August 24th, 2009
3:14 pm
doc, back to the Woody issue. Here’s my analogy (Stating the Obvious, please scroll now). If Tommy Hanson runs into 6th inning trouble, Cox will likely allow him to pitch out of it because it is a great learning opportunity for the youngster. Back to basketball. Teague commits 3 consecutive TOs at the 9:00 mark of the 4th quarter leading to 6 unanswered points by the opposing team. The lead is like 5 points (one way or the other). Does Woody allow him to work thru that learning experience or does he yank him for a veteran?
I think knowing “how much rope” to give a young player is a very, very hard issue to manage. Not only could you lose the player (see Joey Divine in baseball) but you could also lose the game for the team (see Joey Divine in baseball). It probablyisn;t quite as obvious in the NBA, but my guess is that if we diligently watched a rookie PG like Mario Chalmers last season, we likely would have seen many instances when his rookie mistakes put the game in jeopardy for his team. Of course, Spoelstra didn’t have anyone near Bibby (or Crawford for that matter) to try to save the game. Still, the balance between player development and winning games I think is a tough one.
Anakin Joe
August 24th, 2009
3:19 pm
gwite, I think the game you are referring to was after the Hawks clinched the 4th spot. Beasley did truly “go off” on the Hawks but we were in full cruise control at the time with nothing to gain or lose. But I agree, dude could be an incredible scorer. And I hope he is really good in about 77 games next season. I hope he averages 1.8 points against us.
Dos Hawkquis
August 24th, 2009
3:25 pm
KEN OR ANYONE ELSE,
Can you tell me who is responsible for making sure that Mario develops some type of offensive set? How do you leave college, early mind you, and not know how to make and take a jump shot.
Where, when, and how is Woody supposed to get Mario ready to compete on the NBA level. I thought that Mario was supposed to bring something to the table?
“I don’t always watch basketball games, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends.”
Anakin Joe
August 24th, 2009
3:42 pm
I don’t know who Jay Bowdy is, but someone needs to slap him with a brick. And why does the player even have an agent at this point? This is so bizarre on so many different levels.
http://www.hometeamsonline.com/teams/default.asp?u=northtexasfresh&t=c&p=home&s=basketball
Ken Strickland
August 24th, 2009
3:43 pm
DANIEL-It’s obvious you get it, but there are still those who don’t. If you’ll notice, I’ve responded to individuals that either have questions or are offering opposition. You might be bored with my responses, but your boredom isn’t reason enough for me to cease and desist. I’ve noticed no one has voiced their boredom with those who’ve repeatedly posted their support of Woodson. Could it be that I’ve been able to present numerous and varied facts, illustrations and concerns to support my position, while supporters have found few legitimate reasons to justify supporting him, other than the teams annual increase in wins, or progress, if you will?
DANIEL-IF YOU THINK I’M THE ONLY BLOGGER THAT’S EXPRESSED HIS OPINION OR POSITION ON A PARTICULAR TOPIC MULTIPLE TIMES, THEN YOU ARE THE ONE WITH THE PROBLEM, NOT ME. AND IF YOU THINK WOODSON IS THE ONLY TOPIC OF DISCUSSION I’VE ENGAGED IN, THEN YOU’RE HEARING WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR, WHICH IS A BYPRODUCT OF SELECTIVE LISTENING, AND THAT’S ON YOU AS WELL.
BA
August 24th, 2009
4:08 pm
Dos Hawquis, lose the tagline, you’re better than that.
Ken Strickland
August 24th, 2009
4:21 pm
There seems to be one big difference between this off season and past off seasons. In the past, we’ve requested and gotten updates about the off season progress of certain players. I remember when we were told how Smoove was bulking up and getting stronger, or how he was working on his postup OFF with HOlajuwon. We also received updates on Marvins progress on extending his shooting to 3pt range and ALaw’s hard work to improve his gm.
So far this off season, we haven’t been given a definitive idea of what progress Marvin, Horford and Smooth are making. That should be a major topic of discussion for a team who’s primary road to progress is going to be dependent upon organic growth.
For one, I’d like to know if we can expect the amount of drastic improvement on the things Marvin is working on that we saw last yr. Is Smoove concentrating his off season efforts on further improving his post up OFF, or trying to improve his outside shot? What is Horford working on. I’d like to see him become less machical and more fluid in his post up OFF.
SEKOU-is there anyway for you to find out if our current OFF system will be expanded, modified or upgraded in any way to incorperate the additions of Teague, Crawford, and possibly Joe Smith?
Ken Strickland
August 24th, 2009
4:30 pm
DOS HAWKQUIS-the type of improvement and development you’re talking about is Mario’s responsibility, not Woodson’s. Although he’s managed to make the roster the last 2 seasons based on his hustle and DEF, he has to know it’s up to him to improve his OFF skills and output if he wants to remain on the roster. Woodson can suggest area’s he’d like to see him improve on, but it’s up to Mario to actually make those improvements.
Sautee
August 24th, 2009
4:48 pm
AJ,
about this: “doc, back to the Woody issue. Here’s my analogy (Stating the Obvious, please scroll now). If Tommy Hanson runs into 6th inning trouble, Cox will likely allow him to pitch out of it because it is a great learning opportunity for the youngster. Back to basketball. Teague commits 3 consecutive TOs at the 9:00 mark of the 4th quarter leading to 6 unanswered points by the opposing team. The lead is like 5 points (one way or the other). Does Woody allow him to work thru that learning experience or does he yank him for a veteran?”
First off, if Woody has Teague playing in the 4th quarter AT ALL, it’ll mean either he’s changed his stripes or Bibby is injured and Crawford in foul trouble. Don’t hold your breath.
I think the BIG thing with Woody was not that he yanked someone (Acie usually) after a mistake, (that’s bad enough for a young player), but that he’d give him a dnp-cd after a GOOD outing.
If Acie and Solo were coming in last year and making “game losing mistakes”, then OF COURSE Woody would NEED to pull them out. But what can you say when he denies a player court time after a productive outing?
How is THAT tied to having “just one more year” on his contract? The player has JUST SHOWN a penchant for productivity and you somehow protect your job by SQUELCHING it?
And do you remember a single time last year that you thought “Acie (or Solo) just lost this game”?
I can not. Not a single time. Because mostly they were given insignificant minutes.
vava74
August 24th, 2009
4:54 pm
Beasley has talent but his attitude is wrong.
He will probably develop into a big scoring numbers type of player who never actually delivers. He looks too full of himself and I believe that, ultimately, he will be a loser like Vince Carter, Zach Randolph, Amare, Boozer and Bosh (players who have talent, put big numbers but have major flaws in their games).
Unfortunately, I believe that J-Smoove is heading on the same direction… I know that this is controversial, however, just look at the following:
All free agents, restricted and non-resistricted that we re-signed this year expressly mentioned immediately as the season ended their desire to stay in Atlanta and take this group further.
J-Smoove last year was happilly entertaining Philly’s courtship… and we are talking about his HOMETOWN team…
RealSquawk
August 24th, 2009
4:55 pm
Oprah is running some great stories right now.
The Hawks.
Will get 50 wins
speculating
Josh Smith is working on dribbling, jump shot, and post moves
Marvin Williams is working on his dribbling (shooting off the drible, going to the basket off the dribble)
Mario West is not getting a guaranteed contract because the main thing he has going for him is hustle and that can be easily seen and determined during training camp and making him push for it. Mario won’t disappoint, but I completely understand the Hawks on this.
Has anyone seen the “Rock N rolla”?
Horford is working on patience because he will need it this season while he is being ignored in the paint.
refine in 09!!
RealSquawk
August 24th, 2009
5:01 pm
vav74,
come on man don’t bring up the past on Smoove like that, but no really I think that perception is a little off. Smooth was the first big free agent to be restricted here in ATL and he responded how anyone would respond. With Marvin the market was already pretty tight and the league knows the Hawks are going to match so the it was even tighter for MArvin, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t go other places.
And Beasely being full of himself? did you see what he did to Josh Smith in the playoffs? Beasley I hope will fizzle, but right now he looks like a force to reckoned with attitude problem or not.
Sautee,
much agreed
Sautee
August 24th, 2009
5:02 pm
Dos Hawkquis,
Mario completed his eligibility at GT. Got a degree, too.
And he was not asked to be a shooter in Tech’s scheme. He was valuable for how well he could press.
Of course he should try to improve his shot (shouldn’t EVERY player?), but don’t put him in the “left early without enough skill” box.
Anakin Joe
August 24th, 2009
5:10 pm
Sautee, I wasn’t using my analogy in refernce to a historical moment in the life and times of Acie nor Solo. Those guys are gone. I was forecasting into next season and not dweling on the past. I even used an anology of a current Braves rookie, as opposed to speaking to how Cox may have handled Horacio Ramirez or some other past young pitcher.
We’ll see in the coming year or two how much Woody wasted the talents of Solo and Acie. Much like I’m sure Clifford Ray, KG and Doc Rivers will surely turn Shelden Williams into the second coming of Charles Oakley.
Sautee
August 24th, 2009
5:15 pm
vava74,
It’s not that cut and dried about our free agents this year, and that’s because of the economy. If we still had LAST YEAR’S economy, I’ll guarantee you that Zaza, Bibby AND Marvin would have been visiting other cities. I refuse to be down on Josh for exploring job possibilities. And I don’t think it’s fair to lump him with Beasley. Other than his dust ups with Woody, has Josh EVER gotten into trouble?
And how do you know (unless you personally know their agents) that this year’s group DID NOT listen to other offers? All we know is what’s been reported. Yes, they expressed wanting to come back, but didn’t Brand say that to the Clips?
My point is, enough money can make you listen. There was NOT much money to be had this year. Don’t leave that out of the equation.
terrell barron
August 24th, 2009
5:34 pm
What’s up with Beasley?