True or False in Hawksville!
What's Joe Johnson going to do, take the Hawks' extension offer or leave it? No one knows because the Hawks' quiet All-Star and captain isn't saying.
HAWKSVILLE - While we wait for this week’s transaction(s) to be completed, why don’t we dive into a quick game of True or False-Hawksville style.
True or False, Joe Smith is going to sign with the Hawks?
True. And it could happen any day (if you haven’t leaned by now how critical that phrase is around here, I can’t help you). So what’s the hold up? Well, these contracts don’t work themselves out magically. They have to be negotiated and fine-toothed by agents and attorneys and whoever else has a stake in them. It’s not rocket science on this one, a one-year deal at the veteran’s minimum (of $1.3 million). I’d tell you to be patient and that things will work out but you’ve been doing that for weeks now. Again, the deal could be finalized any day now, so stay tuned.
True or False, the Hawks are interested in adding Jason Hart to their point guard mix?
False. It was reported somewhere that the Hawks were one of three teams in the running to add the veteran to their mix. I’ve since found out that someone got it twisted. The Hawks were never in the market for Hart (or any other point guard they were interested in adding). They’ve got Mike Bibby, Jeff Teague and veteran safety net in Jamal Crawford. If the Hawks were going to add another 6-3 point or combo guard to their mix they could have retained Flip Murray rather than hitting the free agent market for someone else. And before you ask, no, they do not have designs on bringing Flip back (that’s right, no more FlipMo Squad references around here).
True or False, the Hawks will add another veteran big man or two in addition to Joe Smith?
True. And we’ve already discussed two guys in particular, Johan Petro and Jason Collins, that could be in that mix. And that doesn’t include rookie behemoth Garret Siler, who will be on the Hawks’ training camp roster. But all of those reasonable fears about this team’s size and depth on the frontline could be wiped away with the addition of any two of these aforementioned larger humans.
True or False, the Hawks’ ownership feud is officially over?
Not exactly true or false. But things took a decisive turn with Monday’s court ruling in favor of the seven-man Atlanta/Washington, D.C., contingent. The options for the other partner, Boston-based Steve Belkin, were mapped out in today’s paper. One more option Belkin has that wasn’t listed: he can just walk away from his initial investment in the teams. He wouldn’t have to pay the $25.8 million in cash calls he’s missed during the litigation but he would also have to forfeit his 30 percent ownership stake. It will be interesting to see where things go from here.
True or False, the Hawks will sign Joe Smith before Joe Johnson agrees to a contract extension?
True. Barring a sudden change in the tone I’m hearing from folks in the know, Mr. Smith will definitely beat JJ to the punch on this one. In fact, no one seems to know which way JJ is leaning since the Hawks extended their offer for an extension. We’ve already talked about the figures (4-years, $62-$64 million range). It’s a huge decision and JJ has time, it’s not like he has to decide this minute. So I didn’t expect his process to be sped up just for our sake. If nothing shakes (one way or the other) by the start of training camp … then it might be time to start wondering what the heck is going on.
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528 comments Add your comment
Doug
August 21st, 2009
8:16 am
Ken: Are you sure you are not talking to yourself as you respond to vava??? Or maybe I am really you or niremetal? Amazing what posters with an argument absent facts will conjure up when desperate!
dap01
August 21st, 2009
8:23 am
Truth Serum: You are an idiot. You could say the sky is blue and I would not believe it. You are not credible at all.
Daniel
August 21st, 2009
8:37 am
Doug- don’t worry about it Yahoo thought that I was you, niremental and vava. I believe.
I am such the conterversial blogger. I should change my name to Clyde or Truth Serum.
Daniel
August 21st, 2009
8:38 am
controversial
Daniel
August 21st, 2009
8:45 am
good grief, I can’t spell.
doc
August 21st, 2009
8:57 am
dont worry daniel, this is not a spelling bee those are for 13 year olds, grown ups here. some finally resort to spell check others go right on but we get their meaning which is all a blog is for. drop the anal bit and you will really feel like one of the guys. those that droop to criticize grammar or spelling or punctuation here have nothing else to say anyway, quickly weeds out the non-playa. heh heh
kmjice
August 21st, 2009
9:18 am
1). my bad jason collins… not collier ( r.i.p).
2). if joe smith was as good as people think.. he wouldnt have got trade ten times.. we need somebody that has been consistent on the same team… and on a winning team..
3). tell me how zaza is good!! i know what im talkin about.. every time he get in.. either the hawks start losing or teams really start attacking the basket.. what does that tell u!!! watch some hawks games before u say i lose my basketball creditbility!! i know what im talkin bout!!!!!
doc
August 21st, 2009
9:29 am
mr. jice go to nba 82 games and you will find out zaza had some of the best plus minus numbers on the team. educate yourself before you come up with such drivel that is nonsense. until then you are comic relief on the blog.
ant banks
August 21st, 2009
9:36 am
TRUTH-SERUM,
wtf??!! are you okay? this whole, entire blog is a series of people views and opinions, with some facts, occassionally. why are you railing on KEN and SEKOU because they don’t espouse your views?
some of y’all need to take your stratera before bloggin’
Rod from College Park
August 21st, 2009
9:51 am
Melvin,
“Not sure if I would have put Artest in the top 5 but the other players I agree with. I would replace Rudy Gay with Artest.”
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13628
Where’s Marvin. Did you look at all the reponses? Maybe all those folks are crazy, and don’t know anything about basketball like me. LOL
vava74
August 21st, 2009
10:35 am
The Turk was vital for the Magic’s success and I believe that we will see that this coming year.
Hence, I would have him on the 4th or 5th spot easily.
Gay is looking good, but I believe that he brings better numbers than actual success to his team. I prefer Granger.
Quality is not measured only in stats.
I think Artest brings negative intangibles to his teams (could change under Phil Jackson and Kobe’s leadership) and to put him on the top 5 is a bit of a streach for me until he proves it by behaving a full year and helping the Lakers being successful (anything less than a trip to the finals will be a disaster).
Within 2 years, Marvin could be there, at least on the honourable mentions.
GeeMack
August 21st, 2009
10:42 am
I got a question for my fellow Hawks fans….JJ is now 28 for the next 4 year he will be in the prime of his career. What can the Hawks do to help JJ get a champioship over the next 4 years? We already know we aint getting a champioship this year. That leaves us 3 years to win a champioship.
Daniel
August 21st, 2009
10:43 am
ant banks- that is hilarious. appreciate the words doc, but I just can’t stand it myself. I am a product of spell check and it drives me crazy. Or maybe, I have already been driven there.
kmjice- doc, ripped you. Listen, I don’t think you are totally off base on all your stuff. So, don’t be discouraged. But, Za is an excellent guy of the bench for us. He does have weaknesses (that is why he is a bench player), but his game is a lot intangibles.
Joe Smith may have more physical tools, but ultimately look at the contracts both have received (reportedly) and it will tell you who the Hawks find more valuable.
Daniel
August 21st, 2009
10:47 am
GeeMack- Don’t kill me, but first I wouldn’t write off this year. I mean did anyone really see the Magic making the finals last year?
But, I do agree with you in general. That being said, I think there are clearly two ways to go. One, our own young core develops a second All Star level player (Horford, Smith, Williams, Teague?), which is clearly the teams current plan ( I for one actually like this plan). Two, you use the young core players who have pretty reasonable contracts (we will see about Horf next year, but Sund has so far done a nice job) and make a trade for another All Star level player. You wouldn’t want to do that until after next summer when some of the free agent dust has settled and the new cap figures have come out. I think Sund has set us up pretty well for either scenario. This is of course contingent on Joe signing that extension.
Ramon
August 21st, 2009
11:05 am
Daniel, I’ve said this before, but I actually see Smith becoming an all star this year. I think his time in the playoffs (where he was the alpha dog), and US camp experience will all be positive energy for his game. Truth is, other than Wade and Lebron, he may be the most exciting player in the Eastern Conference. If he can improve his jump shooting percentage at least 10%, then it will be no way they can keep him out.
vava74
August 21st, 2009
11:11 am
I honestly – and in a non-delusional way – believe that all of our future 5 starters (Teague, JJ, MW, J.Smoove and Al) could become all-stars, much alike what happened with Detroit’s last championship team.
None of the 5 in that Detroit team is/was superstar caliber but all of them were extremely solid, just like I believe we will be within 2 years.
Ken Strickland
August 21st, 2009
12:00 pm
GEEMACK-that’s an excellent question. Here’s my take.
1-We need to upgrade the PG position. Bibby does an excellent job of shooting 3’s, especially in the clutch, but realistically, not much else. We need a PG that can shoot effectively, penetrate, break down DEF’s and create scoring opportunities for others, as well as run an uptempo OFF. He also needs to be capable of pressuring the ball and hold his own defensively. Hopefully, JTeague is that PG.
2-We need a versatile do everything type player like JChildress coming off the bench, preferrable JChildress.
3-We need another Big, besides Zaza and Joe Smith, assuming he signs, that’s more defensive minded.
4-We need to incorporate an uptempo OFF, which is more suited to the type of talent we have. We also need to design plays within our halfcourt OFF that takes full advantage of our athleticism, speed, quickness and versatility.
5-We need to provide more rest for our starters by utilizing more of our bench, utilize more in gm strategy and commit more time and effort to player development.
6-To accomplish all of the above, we’ll definitely have to hire a new HC.
DANIEL-Good point. Did anyone see us making the playoffs and taking the Celtics to 7gms? Last yr, we suffered 3 injuries that caused each our frontline starters to miss significant playing time, and that didn’t include JJ playing injured. It would only take timely injuries to Lebron, DHoward and PPierce to clear the way for us to make it to the finals.
Mystikal
August 21st, 2009
12:04 pm
Daniel,
Good point mentioning how Orlando came out of now where last year. You never know what will happen that is why we play the game. Things could workout so that the hawks get favorable matchups in the first two rounds. Combine that with getting on a hot streak at the right time going into the playoffs. As mentioned before one of our youngs guys ascends their game to another level and that could be us this year. Sure, it is a lot of “ifs,” but point being it could happen.
newkid
August 21st, 2009
12:06 pm
“What can the Hawks do to help JJ get a championship…?” Not sure that’s the construct I’d use, but understand the question you’re posing. Isn’t it at least marginally possible that dealing JJ (after signing him) is one of the options that the Hawks will explore in an effort to get a championship FOR Atlanta (rather than JJ) over the next four years?
If the Hawks (and JJ) opt for his continued presence in the ATL, I suspect that we won’t see the sort of organic growth in another single player – as opposed to organic growth of the overall team – to render that player a significant enough ‘addition’ to JJ to give us a championship. Smoove will continue to be exciting, and may come to be viewed by some as an all-star, but I see him as a strong future candidate for trade to get the ying to JJ’s yang into Hawks’ blue at an agreeable cost. Hope Smoove’s progress this season causes me to have to eat my words.
JerryWest
August 21st, 2009
12:26 pm
We all knew Teague is super quick, but I, at least, didn’t realize how strong he is. We really needed a strong point guard to play with weak Crawford, a superior shooting guard who is much better at guarding point guards. I think Bibby+Crawford is a defensive disaster.
What gets me excited is that I can see Crawford+Teague combo might work on the defensive end. I don’t think Teague or Crawford or just about any point guard can guard the bulldog shooting guards of the NBA, but they can play adequate on the back up shooting guards. On the offensive end Teague+Crawford will light up just about any combo backups in the NBA.
I can see all combinations of JJ/Bibby/Crawford/Mo/Teague work well on the defensive end except Bibby/Crawford. Until I realized Teague is bigger and stronger than his height, I thought our back court has too many combinations that do not work. Now I know why the Hawks aren’t looking for a 3rd/4th string point guard.
vava74
August 21st, 2009
12:27 pm
Ken,
I think we all should be patient with Woody: he has a lot of faults by he has tremendous qualities and I sincerelly believe that he is evolving as an HC:
1. His focus on defense is good, although having Bibby on the floor is a constant liability, he managed to set up a defensive coordination and rotations which overcome that problem against teams at our level and below.
This speaks highly on him and on his hability to have unity with teammates overcoming each others’ shortcomings.
2. He is very vocal and critic, but differently from his mentors Bobby Knight and Larry Brown, he speaks frankly with and about players without calling their names in the press and on their backs:
THIS IS A MAJOR asset for a coach since he collects his players respect, including J-Smoove’s.
3. He has improved his own skills, as the Hawks improved as well.
4. Much has been said about other successfull coaches, but if you look, for instance, at what Mike Brown did with the Cavs last year, you have to conclude that he is highly overrated.
Another example: look at Avery’s meltdown after the loss with Miami. His Mavs completely lost it and his players lost confidence in him as well.
Look as well as Sam Mitchel or Skiles burn their players in the press!!
You can only incorporate discipline with respect and these guys loose it after a little while.
5. During the crucial game 4 in Miami, Woody was superb in managing the players’ nerves and stopping them from – justifiably I must say – complaining about the referees and kept them calm and just playing ball.
I think the players listen to him as they would listen to an older brother and that is a very good reason for me to thing that we have a chance to make a splash!
Daniel
August 21st, 2009
1:38 pm
vava74- your 12:27 post is bold, direct and well informed. I very much agree with point 4. I am not as confident about number 3 as you are, but he has this season to prove me wrong.
nice job
richbrave
August 21st, 2009
1:39 pm
doc:
Got any inside scoop on J-CRIT’s ankle injury?
Ramon
August 21st, 2009
1:46 pm
I think the main knock for Woody is on the offensive side. If somehow he could humble himself to let Larry Drew take over the offense in full capacity while he handles the defense. I think doing something like that would benefit the team without firing anyone. Truth be told, although he could’ve done a better job with managing the minutes of the starters, I can look back and see why he may didn’t have much confidence in others on the bench. I will say, Woody has done the MOST out of all of the coaches with the least. So he shouldn’t be fired, and actually if this year goes well should be offered a 3-4 year extension, IF he’s willing to admit his faults.
doc
August 21st, 2009
1:51 pm
folks there was a very commending interview yesterday on 680, heard most of it and it was from none other than gearon jr., himself. look it up and hope it is still on their web site. he was pretty candid, likes woody but not ready to commit to him until after the season. one of the best assets they mentioned of woody is there is no finger pointing or complaining. yes we have also mentioned that virtue as well and figured that is probably what gave him staying power. these guys have invested their own money and insist there is none borrowed to make it go as other franchises have gone the other way. melvin is right these guys so far are well funded. my guess is they know woody was strapped in the beginning because of little talent and stayed with him when others might have jettisoned him. with that they also know he owes them something as well for keeping hi when others might not have, kind of a symbiotic relationship.
my guess is if woody continues to grow as a coach with the parts he has now he keeps his job and they reward him at the end of the season with money and a long term deal say 4 years, sorry ken. if he cant show ability to become one of the better coaches in the league there will be calls made elsewhere to find someone who can and ken wins in the end. heh heh
daniel, yes you are already gone. there is a recovery program called “sticking it out here for a few years” though. just dont tell me i have to use caps and punctuate exactly right. keep your red pen to yourself.
kind of done with it.
doc
August 21st, 2009
1:52 pm
no rich, first i heard of it.
GeeMack
August 21st, 2009
1:56 pm
Daniel
You was just on me the other day about this year as a championship….lol. In all honesty who do you see on the current roster thats a bonifide all-star in the making. Josh maybe an all star once in the next five years. Marvin…no. Al maybe once or twice in his career Jeff it remains to be seen. I do agree that Mr. Sund has done a good job at adding player that can help and be moved with short inexpensive contracts.
Ken Strickland,
I agree with you that we need to make adjustment on offense, however I don’t think replacing Woody is the key. If you look at the teams in the east the Hawks finished 4th behind 3 teams that won 55 games or more. The hawks improved in every major defensive category last year, and Woody didn’t have half the talent of Orl, Bost, or Wash. Give Woody credit he has done a good job with a fueding ownership group, a GM that made horrible drafts 3 years in a row & a team full young player & an unproven leader in JJ.
newkid
I like the idea of a smoove trade if he does not show significant growth this season. Also I like the idea because it would move Al to his natural postion PF. I think he is a much better option at PF than Josh.
Mystikal
Instead of us waiting for the misfortunes of other teams. I would much rather us put our championship destiny in our own hands (Lakers, Spur, Cavs, Bos, & Orl. These teams made moves so that even in the event of injury they could still be somewhat competative.
Would you guys be willing to give up a guy like Marvin for someone like Chris Kaman? What ya’ll think?
Sautee
August 21st, 2009
2:01 pm
vava74,
While I think Woody does a good job “relating to the players” I’m not so sure that he is “evolving” as a coach. Better records with the same old approach seems to point to the improvement of the players rather than coaching. What did YOU see this year that made you think he was evolving? It seemed to me that his best work was when he had a shorthanded roster. I’ll give him credit for that.
My biggest complaint about Woody is the TOTAL lack of in-game adjustments. We allow other teams to dictate to us, rather than the other way around. I know that Ken S. agrees with this. We have amazing athleticism that we WASTE by walking the ball down the court.
That and the fact that we RARELY if EVER come out of a time out with what looks like a “prepared” play. ISO – Joe is NOT guaranteed to get a good shot.
And all too often, does NOT.
The question is, can the Hawks win a seven game series against a top flight coach without making adjustments? I’m afraid not, though of course I’d root like he!! for them to do so.
And one more question: If Woody had led us to the best record in the league, but we lost in the ECF, would you conclude that HE was overrated?
Anakin Joe
August 21st, 2009
2:11 pm
Ramon, you wrote, So he shouldn’t be fired, and actually if this year goes well should be offered a 3-4 year extension, IF he’s willing to admit his faults.
So if “this year goes well”, what faults must Woody confess? And to whom should he confess these faults before receiving forgiveness of his sins (and subsequently a contract extension)?
Sund & the ASG have essentially asked Woody to jump through one more hope, the ‘09-10 season. And they have presumably provided him with his best roster (assuming that Joe Smith puts pen to paper). My hope is that next summer, someone will get a 3-4 year contract to coach the Hawks. If not Woody, find someone else. But make a commitment to a coach that is consistent with the long-term contracts of the nucleus. Stop asking coaches to jump through hoops.
KevinA
August 21st, 2009
2:19 pm
We have amazing athleticism that we WASTE by walking the ball down the court.
agreed, yep, right,
I hope Teague and Crawford push the ball. If their job is to walk it up the court to hand off for the JJ iso…………. The real question is will Woody let them run the offense or back to running the ball through JJ.
Ramon
August 21st, 2009
2:21 pm
AJ, what I’m referring to my admitting his faults, is seeking help and being open to not always being ‘the man’ in the huddle. I mean look at Phil Jackson. He doesn’t run the offense majority of the times. Today, Phil Jackson still doesn’t understand the triangle better Tex. I guess I was always under the assumption that confessing is a two part process: one verbal and the other with action. The thing for me is I don’t see this year going too great with out Woody improving. And I’m saying if he’s willing to make the necessary adjustments to overcome his shortcomings, then he deserves a 3-4 year deal.
GeeMack
August 21st, 2009
2:29 pm
doc
I gotta diagree with Gearon on the Woody. You can’t give me one coach that would have gotten better results with horrible collection of talent Woody has had to work with the last 4 years If anything they should give an extension based on what’s he’s done. He has less talent than all top 4 teams this include washington. Yet contiues to push these guys to get better. They owe this man for having to put up with BKnight. Passing on CP3 took away the leader necessary to carry the franchise the next 8 to 10 years. Now Sund and Woody are putting this team back in to competative playoff basketball.
KevinA
August 21st, 2009
2:38 pm
Anakin Joe,
I like the idea of coaches signing to one and two year deals. It is not like they don’t get paid. This year is a perfect example. Advance throught the first round and get 50 wins (unless less there is major injury). We must play much beter in the second round. If we win the second round then Woody deserves a two year deal.
Woody’s strongest point is his ability to keep his players playing hard for him. If Woody gets resigned for a series of two year contracts. Means we have been playing winning basketball. Players live under intense pressure. No reason for the coaches to live any different. If Woody and the Hawks have a very good year and play for the ECF, ok, give him a three year deal. And Sund a big raise.
Anakin Joe
August 21st, 2009
2:41 pm
Ramon, if we blow every play coming out of a time-out and win 50 games, do you not offer Woody a contract extension? Likewise, if Memphis scores on every possession after a time-out and wins 35 games, would you rather be a Grizzlies fan? Let’s not lose focus on the primary objective. And I promise you, the primary objective is not what happens during 5-6 time-outs.
doc
August 21st, 2009
2:44 pm
geemack, not here to argue for or against it, just repeating what i heard. we also dont know who had what input or not when it came to the paul thing or anything else for that matter. maybe woody put his two cents worth in and nixed it for the guy being too small and a defensive liability. we also dont know how much input sund has into saying woody stays or goes and saying to woody this is what we expect going forward and the type of accountability woody has to work under.
what is a boss for than to make employees jump through hoops aj? most of us are not on multi year multi mil contracts and most marginal head coaches arent either. if woody steps up then i imagine he will get his due, relax. if the team wants him, they might play harder for him and it work for the betterment of all, you and me included as the wins come in bunches and didnt we enjoy that last year.
Anakin Joe
August 21st, 2009
2:47 pm
KevinA, but most of our players are signed to 4-5 year deals. If you all haven’t noticed, the success among NBA coaches is horrific. I just think that a coach who has led one of the youngest teams in the league to 3 consecutive playoff appearances (after starting with a young & ultra-cheap roster) may get a few offers that are better than 2 years of more hoop-jumping.
Anakin Joe
August 21st, 2009
2:54 pm
doc, I hope. Again, if not Woody, give the multi-year deal to another. I just find it laughable to think that a coach doesn’t make decisions based on their contract status. Decisions like, do I give Teage a chance to work through his turnover issues or do I keep playing Bibby, oh, wait, I may be unemployed next season… Bibby, get in the game.
I could assure you that in the NFL, a coach on a 1-year deal isn’t feeling too warm and fuzzy about playing a rookie QB or MLB. Why would that coach develop a player for the next coach?
Anyone notice the Pistons coaching situation the past 5 seasons? How many of y’all are willing to put a mortgage payment that the new coach lasts 2 seasons?
KevinA
August 21st, 2009
2:54 pm
Is Teague up to filling our gaping hole in defense when Parker/CP3 types come to town? Is the idea teague or bust? A couple of years ago we could move Chills to the 2 and let JJ guard the pg. If Teague is a bust this year – what happens?
dap01
August 21st, 2009
2:55 pm
Motion will allow our natural athletic ability to be utilized. There is no motion in ISO Joe. Josh is not being utilized to his strenghts by being placed in the corner. Marvin is wasting by camping out hoping someone gets in trouble enough to pass it to him. Hortford will never develop if he is never thought of in an offense.
GeeMack
August 21st, 2009
3:01 pm
Doc
didnt we enjoy that last year. Yeap! Until we quit against the Cavs!
doc
August 21st, 2009
3:07 pm
gee mack, we had nothing left in the tank by the time we met the cavs. it was disheartening but i dont qualify it as a quit if they quit it was on your coach you think needs more time here, no? it also may be due to the way the troops were handled during the season that left it so drained and may be one of the criteria mr gearon and you disagree on bro for a woody extention or did you forget? heh heh, maybe you answered your own question of why mr woody doesnt have four more years to go on a contract.
KevinA
August 21st, 2009
3:09 pm
Anakin Joe,
If Teague plays well enough to be on the floor, he will be getting playing time. If not he should go to the D league. Like Acie found out, this a tough game and only the best survive. If Woody has a one year deal or a 5 year deal I would expect him to keep his best players on the floor. If and when Bibby is hot look for him to play most of the minutes. Teague and Crawford will compete for the rest. If Crawford plays great look for Teague to ride some bench.
londa
August 21st, 2009
3:10 pm
hey what about signing joell anthony and desmond mason great guys to come off the bench
KevinA
August 21st, 2009
3:10 pm
dap01,
Amen brother.
KevinA
August 21st, 2009
3:16 pm
doc,
Another Amen
Ramon
August 21st, 2009
3:24 pm
AJ, that’s why I’m stating that I think you will find it hard to find a coach who is as good as Woody is defensively, and as good offensively as NEEDED to crack the next level. Truth be told, every team of the upper 3 have future hall of famers, (and possibly 2 if you consider Vince HoF material). There are really not that many coaches in the league who are better than Woody. That’s the objective I’m looking at. Steve Van Gundy isn’t a better coach. Avery Johnson may not be a better coach for this team. There is no unemployed coach right now who we KNOW is better than Woody. All we know is they are better producers on the offensive end. But when you combine the offense and defense, along with the amount of overall talent of a roster that hasn’t been here, how could anyone say they’re truly better. I’m simply saying, I think Woody would be a pretty good coach if he acknowledge that he doesn’t know everything, and allow his staff to help him alot more.
kmjice
August 21st, 2009
3:33 pm
ok doc!!!! u will see next year.. all im sain joe smith is better then zaza, he will get more playin time then zaza.. so y would u keep zaza when u can jus have joe smith and develope sellers!! but ok..u like zaza.. he do alot of stupid stuff when he in the game!!
kmjice
August 21st, 2009
3:35 pm
but against the cavs.. everybod was tired and injured and ready to go home.. the hawks needed bench help.. and they didnt have enough of it to keep up wit the cavs.. joe was injured, al, and marvin.. so i understand wh they lost so bad.. u can tell somethin was wrong with them!!!
richbrave
August 21st, 2009
3:35 pm
doc:
he hurt himself playing in an ATLANTA summer league. I’m trying to see how bad it really is. Anyone?
kmjice
August 21st, 2009
3:36 pm
and woody has a good deffensive scheme.. rotate on pic and rolls and help deffense.. perfect for players that is really all the same size!!!