True or False in Hawksville!
What's Joe Johnson going to do, take the Hawks' extension offer or leave it? No one knows because the Hawks' quiet All-Star and captain isn't saying.
HAWKSVILLE - While we wait for this week’s transaction(s) to be completed, why don’t we dive into a quick game of True or False-Hawksville style.
True or False, Joe Smith is going to sign with the Hawks?
True. And it could happen any day (if you haven’t leaned by now how critical that phrase is around here, I can’t help you). So what’s the hold up? Well, these contracts don’t work themselves out magically. They have to be negotiated and fine-toothed by agents and attorneys and whoever else has a stake in them. It’s not rocket science on this one, a one-year deal at the veteran’s minimum (of $1.3 million). I’d tell you to be patient and that things will work out but you’ve been doing that for weeks now. Again, the deal could be finalized any day now, so stay tuned.
True or False, the Hawks are interested in adding Jason Hart to their point guard mix?
False. It was reported somewhere that the Hawks were one of three teams in the running to add the veteran to their mix. I’ve since found out that someone got it twisted. The Hawks were never in the market for Hart (or any other point guard they were interested in adding). They’ve got Mike Bibby, Jeff Teague and veteran safety net in Jamal Crawford. If the Hawks were going to add another 6-3 point or combo guard to their mix they could have retained Flip Murray rather than hitting the free agent market for someone else. And before you ask, no, they do not have designs on bringing Flip back (that’s right, no more FlipMo Squad references around here).
True or False, the Hawks will add another veteran big man or two in addition to Joe Smith?
True. And we’ve already discussed two guys in particular, Johan Petro and Jason Collins, that could be in that mix. And that doesn’t include rookie behemoth Garret Siler, who will be on the Hawks’ training camp roster. But all of those reasonable fears about this team’s size and depth on the frontline could be wiped away with the addition of any two of these aforementioned larger humans.
True or False, the Hawks’ ownership feud is officially over?
Not exactly true or false. But things took a decisive turn with Monday’s court ruling in favor of the seven-man Atlanta/Washington, D.C., contingent. The options for the other partner, Boston-based Steve Belkin, were mapped out in today’s paper. One more option Belkin has that wasn’t listed: he can just walk away from his initial investment in the teams. He wouldn’t have to pay the $25.8 million in cash calls he’s missed during the litigation but he would also have to forfeit his 30 percent ownership stake. It will be interesting to see where things go from here.
True or False, the Hawks will sign Joe Smith before Joe Johnson agrees to a contract extension?
True. Barring a sudden change in the tone I’m hearing from folks in the know, Mr. Smith will definitely beat JJ to the punch on this one. In fact, no one seems to know which way JJ is leaning since the Hawks extended their offer for an extension. We’ve already talked about the figures (4-years, $62-$64 million range). It’s a huge decision and JJ has time, it’s not like he has to decide this minute. So I didn’t expect his process to be sped up just for our sake. If nothing shakes (one way or the other) by the start of training camp … then it might be time to start wondering what the heck is going on.
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gwite
August 20th, 2009
4:25 pm
Yeah, I’m seeing $62-64mil a very realistic offer to Joe. I don’t think it’s much of a coincidence of the offer (the timing and the pay range) coming so soon after the Roy signing in Portland. They have been so compared to each other since Roy came into the league.
That’s not a low ball offer from the ASG and they probably won’t/cant go any higher. So far, Sund seems to have a knack of keeping these negotiations civil, but if Joe/agent plays hard ball, he may well find himself in a situation like Lamar Odom recently.
And if he does play hard ball, he better have a dam helluva season. If not, who knows what potential deals(trades) Sund could have up his sleeve.
Mike B.
August 20th, 2009
4:32 pm
Sautee – NO
Mike B.
August 20th, 2009
4:33 pm
NO meaning FALSE
UGA
August 20th, 2009
4:36 pm
For what it’s worth, Collins and Petro started 22 games each last year and some of Petro’s starts were with Denver. Petro probably is a big body with potential and Collins is a much bigger body. Seems like we are getting those bigs to help against the likes of Shaq, Howard and Perkins, which I like the idea of. Plus, we have Siler in camp and even Morris. I really cannot think of anymore 7 footers out there who are free agents that could help other than Jarron Collins maybe. Mikki Moore is too skinny for what we want and Skinner may be too undersized. However, both could maybe help fill depth at the PF spot.
DOMINIQUE WILKINS
August 20th, 2009
4:40 pm
That was a heat check!
JSS
August 20th, 2009
4:44 pm
The Decathlon just finished and a American actually just won an actual medal that wasn’t Bronze! Congrads to Trey Hardee for his WL 8730… Congrads to ATLANTAN Terrance Trammell for just brely missing GOLD in the closet finish in World Championship history (photo took 10 minutes to decide)… ATLAANTA Dwight Phillips led the qualifying for LJ…
Mr. Astro Joe (
) That’s for the World Doping folks to do their job and catch em’ if they can… I saw Lewis, I saw Johnson, and now I’ve seen Bolt!!! One word: BEAMON!!!
Hawks sign anybody while I’ve been gone? To the Beirgarten (That’s Beer Garden for Ken Strickland and Mac)
Dominique Wilkins
August 20th, 2009
4:44 pm
That was a heat check!!
doc
August 20th, 2009
4:54 pm
ariose … 14 to 16 mil for 4. 56 to 64 total package.
ant banks
August 20th, 2009
4:57 pm
FORGET FLIP AND SILER…SIGN USAIN BOLT!! FASTBREAKS WOULD BE A WRAP!!
Yahoo
August 20th, 2009
5:03 pm
Ariose
I was exactly setting Daniel up for something but he’ll never know. It’s funny how one’s comment can sound “pompous overstatement” (as he puts it) to a person but that same person can make similar “pompous overstatement” (10 times over) but doesn’t realize it. The fact that he would get upset because he doesn’t like my style of writing while we’re on this blog just talking about basketball, the fact that he would call me names and tell me to “get a life” when I wasn’t addressing him, speaks volume about his character. Since I am new, the only person who got a bone to pick with me is Doug unless Doug and Daniel is the same person. In fact they all sound similar to Mystikal, vava74 and even niremetal. If any of this is remotely true, then it is not me who should be “getting a life”. They really don’t want to see my other side, it’s pretty ugly.
Anon. E Moss
August 20th, 2009
5:11 pm
Wow!! Plaxico shot himself in the leg and got two years?? can you say smf…stupid mutha.
why would you want to go to a club where you have to be strapped? what if he had admitted off the rip that he had the gun for protection or he forgot he had it? throw yourself on the mercy of the courts, early and often
Dos Hawkquis
August 20th, 2009
5:16 pm
KEN STRICK,
I would not overpay for JJ’s services. He averaged 21pts/gm and 16 during the playoffs!! If he avg. 16pts during the season and 21 during the playoffs that would signify that he shows up in big games. 17mil/yr would be my top offer for JJ. Hawks would be ill advised to pay more for JJ. Let another team pay him 18.5 to avg. 21pts.
BUT, IF WE CAN KEEP HIM FOR 17MIL PER OR LESS, BY ALL MEANS DO IT!!!
“I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends.”
doc
August 20th, 2009
5:16 pm
only one track star to speak of in the last thirty years …. edwin moses. did it right, had a long HUGE career, still seems to be the same unassuming guy. elegant and grace in life and over the jumps. connected to the big a.
Blast
August 20th, 2009
5:17 pm
Zzzzzzzzzzzz…..Boring blog………
What?
August 20th, 2009
5:20 pm
SOME OF US ARE ATLANTA HAWKS FANS, AND SOME ARE FANS OF CERTAIN ATLANTA HAWK PLAYERS.
Are you like the republican legislator who wanted all the Dem’s investigated because she claimed they weren’t patriotic. Mercy.
JJ is better than Crawford because he plays much better defense.
JJ is better than Crawford because he is a better passer.
JJ is better than Crawford because he is a better finisher.
JJ is better than Crawford because he shoots better.
JJ is better than Crawford because he passes better.
I can’t see any way Crawford will be that effective unless he is playing Bibby minutes with JJ on the court. They make a very dangerous duo. (wasen’t that the word with Bibby the last couple of years?).
Neither can play defense. The pg’s of the league lick their lips thinking of the Hawks.
Neither can finish.
Bibby shoots better.
Bibby is a better passer.
Crawford does one thing better than Bibby, he can jive and juke and get off his own shot.
The idea he can replace JJ is wild unless we trade Bibby for a good defensive PG.
Another idea of having a star to complement JJ is seems valid. If we were to lose JJ we would also have to lose Crawford to go for a elite player like a Roy who can dribble and pass out of a double team.
It seems like every day the hype over Crawford gets bigger. Seems like a no defense good shooter are a dime a dozen. Rem Big Dog?
15.5 mil for JJ is overpaying. I would estimate his worth closer 12.5.
rainman
August 20th, 2009
5:53 pm
In spite of all the talk about extending JJ, adding some beef to the front line, Woody’s competence, Teague’s minutes, etc., to me, the most interesting story line with the Hawks is how our three young core players develope — Marvin Williams, Josh Smith, and Al Horford.
I know plenty of folks will disagree, but I think Marvin is the piece that fits the puzzle the best. He is still very young and still has a big upside. The Hawks went through the tough part of breaking him in and watching him mature, now they can start reaping the benefits of a skilled player in his prime. But the reason he fits so well is that he has the ideal size, range, and skill set to play at 3.
Josh Smith is probably the best pure athlete and Horford has good size, but there is the never ending discussion of Al being better suited for 4, and whether Josh is a 4 or a 3. I sometimes wonder if Woody and Sund are sure about how to best utilize these two players. I wouldn’t mind Horford bulking up some as long as he maintained his quickness. I would love to see Josh improve his range, consistency, and mental approach.
Ariose
August 20th, 2009
5:54 pm
Daniel, lol
Yahoo, well have at it! Nothing else is going on in theses dog days of the offseason hehehe…
Doc, Noe that I think about it, that’s ver reasonable in these economic times.I dont think KG, Ray, and Paul will re-sign for their current sticker prices(24mill,17mill, and 18mill respectively).
….I feel bad for plaxico…sort of lol. But if ou look at it from a legal standpoint “A gun was discharged in a puclic nightclub with tons of people around who could have been injured” then I guess he got what was coming to him. Even if it WAS registerd he would’ve gotten a year for that alone….it’s still pretty sad though. He’s 33 so by the time he gets out, his career as a reciver will probably be over…
Ariose
August 20th, 2009
6:00 pm
In on Flip and HW talking JJ BS that happend WEEKS ago…idiots…sigh.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13629
Ariose
August 20th, 2009
6:02 pm
WOW, I didn’t know that Jason Williams signed with the Orlando Magic….dang…
cp
August 20th, 2009
6:06 pm
Ariose I made the same point about Mo yesterday after I watched that Boston game again. Mo plays hard and gives you everything he has but the guy is just too small to guard most sf’s in this league. Honestly he has trouble guarding most sg’s too. We need to get a bigger much longer guy in here to back up Marvin. Green or Carney would do the job.
terrell barron
August 20th, 2009
6:26 pm
Jason Collier? Work on your spelling people. Jason Collier passed away.
Ken Strickland
August 20th, 2009
6:33 pm
DOS HAWKQUIS-as fans, it’s not our responsibility to worry about how much the team is eilling ot pay a player. If that’s your thing, then have at it, but paying less money won’t result in more wins or productivity. You seem to be one of those individuals that advocates cutting off you nose to spite your face, so to speak. Why would you be so willing to get rid of JJ, when virtually the entire team played below expectations during the playoffs. Why single out his subpar production when there were others that had subpar production.
Also, Kobe, LeBron and DWade operate within OFF systems that are designed to maximize their varied talents. Woodson’s OFF isn’t designed specifically to take advantage of JJ’s varied attributes. It does take advantage of his excellent jumpshooting skills, but not his size, strength or OFF versatility. Last yr, Bibby and Flip were the only players that benefitted from Woodson’s system. It doesn’t require the utilization of normal PG skills, like penetrating, dishing and creating scoring opportunities for others and playing good on the ball DEF.
If Kobe, Lebron and DWade played in Woodson’s limited system, which places maximum emphasis on outside scoring abilities, they’d have some of the same problems jj’s had. Most of the improvement we saw from the Hawks last yr was generated primarily by the improvement of the players, and not from anything Woodson did. I think someone in the Hawks organization, maybe Sund, realized as much, which might explain why he wasn’t offered a contract extention after the team had such a successful season.
He did show some poor strategy and decision making during the playoffs. I’m certain Sund noticed he didn’t attempt to double team DWade throughout the 7gm 1st rd series against the Heat. I’m also certain Sund noticed he waited until the 4gm of a 4gm sweep to double team LeBron, which resulted in the only gm that wasn’t a blowout. The injuries to AHorford and MWilliasms might have been the reason Sund decided to allow him to fininh the final yr of his contract before making a decision on his future as the Hawks HC.
Don’t punish or hold JJ responsible for his inability to overcome the limitations of Woodson’s OFF system and his limited use of strategy.
darrell starks
August 20th, 2009
6:45 pm
Bring back flip i pay for my tickets and i damand flip period.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
dos hawkquis
August 20th, 2009
6:46 pm
WHAT IS JJ WORTH?
Apparently, 62-64 mil is on the table for 4 years. What do you all think JJ is worth? Should we break the bank? What is the ceiling for his talent?
“I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends.”
darrell starks
August 20th, 2009
6:47 pm
Why no blog on flip sekou we need to vote.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
JSS
August 20th, 2009
7:22 pm
1AM!!! Going to bed for 5 hours,,, Damn those Ja folks can party… More obnoxious than Alabama or Georgia fans combined! But you don’t feel personally attacked like you do when interacting with the aforementioned… Seriously Ant Banks, dude has about a 40 inch vertical according to his former Juniors teammate who I know from his college time in the US… We’ve all been kicking around what would Bolt leap if he took up the long jump again… He leaped 26 ft when he was 16…
Oh Doc, Edwin Mose (Pride of Morehouse) was on the the Jamaican pride too!!! I’ll to tell you the Zurich 1982 story one day!!! Three words, Cheech and Chong!!! Goodnight Everybody!!!
doc
August 20th, 2009
7:28 pm
ariose, by the time a guy like plaxico gets out of a joint like he is going tp he will be retrained to do other forms of “work”. by most accounts, not a great citizen in or out of the clubhouse.
gwite
August 20th, 2009
7:39 pm
I think the Brandon Roy signing also served to set Joe’s realistic market value, which “coincidentally” seems right at marginally under Roy’s yearly average.
What?
August 20th, 2009
8:19 pm
rainman,
Nice post. I would love to see Woody experment with Josh and Al in different positions. ZaZa, Josh and Al all could improve on that 18′ jumper underneth the head of the key that our offense displays so often. All three lack a great handle, the front court needs to get the ball to them with 10′ to the hoop for strong short drives.
The Truth
August 20th, 2009
8:21 pm
I’m noticing how quickly Jason William contract got completed with Orlando Magic vs. how long the Joe Smith contract is taking to get done? I know Sekou tried to explain it but it still begs a question. I mean these two contracts appear to be identical according to preliminary reports. Also, Jason was retired and resurrected with all kinds of complications and his sailing was still easier then Joe Smith. What’s up with that?
Steve
August 20th, 2009
8:25 pm
Collins or Petro? I think I would take Petro, but isn’t there another big wide body out there?
What?
August 20th, 2009
8:29 pm
Don’t punish or hold JJ responsible for his inability to overcome the limitations of Woodson’s OFF system and his limited use of strategy.
JJ brings much of the trouble on himself. Even Flip can avoid a double team with a strong drive or get fouled. Marvin, Josh, Al can also. Why do you think many of last years comments about JJ are alive. He is afraid of contact along with Bibby and Crawford. Early in the FA season I longed for a Jefferson type. Spurs got him. Roy is the same along with other good drivers. Looking for the foul is not JJ.
What?
August 20th, 2009
8:35 pm
Do not be mistaken, JJ loves the iso. Woody loves JJ. More of the same on thing coming our way. And to think Crawford will solve our problems. Nothing against Crawford, JJ will have is way, he is our man.
ATL.BIRDS
August 20th, 2009
9:03 pm
GIVE WOODY HIS EXTENSION 5-6 YEARS. GO HAWKS!!!!!!
gwite
August 20th, 2009
9:19 pm
Truth, it’s pretty obvious that the holdup is with Joe Smith. Evidently, he is in no rush to sign a minimum contract, still hoping some team will offer more. Maybe Atlanta and Cleveland have each told him that the offers are waiting for him, at his pleasure. When he sees the doors closing, he will sign.
What?
August 20th, 2009
9:25 pm
Same with Flip – sign him. He can handle a double team.
Ken Strickland
August 20th, 2009
9:27 pm
WHAT-Flip has never had to beat double teams because he’s not a very consistent outside jumpshooter and he’s never shown himself to be as prolific at scoring as JJ or Crawford. We all read comments from JJ, Woodson and several others concerning their desire to have Bibby, Marvin and Zaza resigned. Yet, you haven’t read a single comment from Woodson or a single Hawks player concerning their desire to have Flip resigned. Except for a few dillusional fans, it appears nobody associated with the Hawks organization whats Flip resigned, and there has got to be a reason.
For those of you who are so enamored with Flip, let me suggest you wait and see who signs him and then watch him play for that team, because he ain’t coming back here. I’m truely surprised that some of you have been unable to grasp that fact at this point.
Doug
August 20th, 2009
9:31 pm
Ariose: My only reference to Shaw was because I was told I “hated” Flip because he went to Shaw College and it is a small black college…I feel that is ignorant and reflective of not having an argument so you get personal. I have stated numerous times that I think Flip was a very good player for the Hawks last year…my opinion is that Crawford is VASTLY superior and in tandem with Teague make the Hawks…true…on paper…much more explosive. The constant clamoring by a few posters for the Hawks to sign him is…again…in my opinion clueless…in terms of the possibility of it happening AND its effect on the makeup of the team.
Having said that..you are right…I should just let it go. As to his offers…if he has had any…which I have not seen but is entirely possible, I haven’t seen anything on Hoopsworld or any other site…and I stand by my view that it will be for the mid level on down, and that that type of offer accurately reflects his value.
jerrywest
August 20th, 2009
10:44 pm
I stumbled into something interesting.
Teague is remarkably similar to Harris in measurments. Even twins are not so similar.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=All&sort2=DESC&draft=30&pos=1&sort=9
You’ll find Devin Harris followed by Jeff Teague in the 20th and 21st line.
Although Harris’s big head is 1.5 inches further from the ground than Teague’s, their measurments are remarkably close. I don’t know any other combo that is as close as these two.
Exactly same wingspan: 6′7.5″
Exactly same Reach: 8′2.5″
Exactly same No Step Vertical: 30.5″
Exactly same No Step Vertical Reach: 10′9″
Almost same in:
max Vert: Harris 37 Teague 36.5″
max Vert reach: Harris 11′3.5″, Teague 11′3″
Agility: Harris 11.03 Teague 11.05
Sprint: Harris 3.19 Teague 3.18
Weight: Teague is +5 lb.
The only significant difference is that Teague is much stronger than Harris was. Teague bench pressed 13 times, but Harris could do it only 5 times. Actually Teagues seems much stronger than many big and strong guards (sort by bench). Acie Law only had 8 and Rose had 10. Wade 9 and big Stuckey 14.
LOL – Amare,JJ,Marvin,Smoove bench pressed 12 times.
With that kind of strength Teague might be able to guard shooting guards and play effective defense next to Crawford who is a bad defender on shooting guards but an adequate defender on point guards. Since Crawford+Bibby combo would be one of the worst defensive combo ever, Teague’s strength might be the key that will help him stay out of Woody’s dog house next year.
jerrywest
August 20th, 2009
10:59 pm
Hawks can’t take back the offer to Mario, just like the Knicks can’t take back Nate’s offer. Mario will just sign it on the last day he has to sign it, I guess.
Mr. A
August 20th, 2009
11:12 pm
Unless Woody is fired……………. it matters not! And I wish there was one writer that had the guts to say it. But I guess that means no hanging out with the guys and free food before the games. This was never happen in a real sports town. They would have already ran Woody out of town!
gwite
August 20th, 2009
11:31 pm
^^ Isn’t Mario’s contract nonguaranteed? Meaning he has to make the final cut?
darrell starks
August 20th, 2009
11:41 pm
ken i have always respect your opinion, but in what way bringing flip back your best player of the bench from this past season hurt the team,and plus he is not asking for a lot of money maybe 2mill at the most we need quality depth wouldn’t you think so?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
Ken Strickland
August 21st, 2009
1:03 am
DARRELL STARKS-we already have quality depth at the guard position in CCrawford and JTeague. There just aren’t enough mins in Woodson’s rotation to accomodate 3 guards off the bench. We need someone in place that can be developed to take over for Bibby, and Flip isn’t the answer. Again, obviously it’s something other than his numbers that’s causing him to get the cold shoulder from the Hawks, and so far, the league.
Think about it. Crawford is a better candidate to replace JJ’s scoring output if he doesn’t resign or gets injured, and Teague is a better candidate to replace Bibby as our PG period. Flip was definitely our best scorer off the bench last yr, but the team feels it has a better option in Crawford.
If Flip attitude was a problem while playing 24+ MPG, what kind of attitude do you think he’d have if he got ALaw type mins, which could happen with Crawford on board and the commitment to developing Teague. It should be obvious by now that the Hawks don’t want him back, for whatever reason, even at a bargain rate. With Flip, it’s obviously not about the money or his production, so it has to be something about his attitude and/or style of play that rubbed Woodson and some key players the wrong way. After all, Woodson hasn’t been shy about naming the players he wanted resigned, and Flip definitely wasn’t named. SO WHY WASTE TIME BEATING A DEAD HORSE? LET IT GO!!!!!!!
Big Ray
August 21st, 2009
2:01 am
Yahoo,
I know Niremetal . He is NOT Doug, Daniel, Mystikal, or vava74. Hate to disappoint you on that one.
As for your “other side”, everybody has one of those. You DO realize you’re on a blog, do you not? Not that I have a problem with you myself, but if you start some ruckus you will find out two things: 1)This is virtual land, so you really can’t hurt anybody, and 2)Coming in here thinking you have an ugly side to show is like walking into a bar full of people, none of whom you know, and mean muggin’ all of them…while thinking nobody in the room can kick your ass. Good luck with that…
Big Ray
August 21st, 2009
2:02 am
Today in the News,
THIS JUST IN!!!!!!!
Joe Smith still hasn’t signed, and Joe Johnson isn’t talking to anybody.
Heh…
Ed
August 21st, 2009
2:36 am
Sautee…FALSE!
IMHO, either sign JJ or trade him. If he won’t sign now there’s a very good chance he won’t sign later. We cannot afford to lose JJ with no compensation. The money will be close enough between the two sides that a deal can be worked out if JJ really wants to remain a Hawk.
Ed
August 21st, 2009
4:54 am
Here’s the ranking and analysist from nba.com for the Hawks
12 Atlanta (8) 47-35 Pace: 88.4 (24), Off: 110.9 (11), Def: 109.1 (13)
The additions of Jamal Crawford and Joe Smith give the Hawks added depth, but they still lack leadership and cohesion. With other teams in the East making bolder moves, Atlanta’s four-year run of winning more games than the year before is probably over
vava74
August 21st, 2009
5:57 am
Ken Strickland @ August 20th, 2009, 1:10 pm: Right on the MONEY!
DosHawkis:
I believe that you preference of “not watching basketball too often” is really showing here:
You obviously did not follow the past season closely:
JJ injured his ankle midway the season and did not fully healed it (Sekou has REPEATEDLY reminded people of this fact around here).
Consequently, his FG% and his PPG averages dropped BUT he compensated that by dishing out to his mates: THAT IS THE EVIDENCE of a smart, unselfish player:
In January: G16 GS16 MIN40.3 FG%.372 3PT%.260 FT%.772 OFR0.5 DR3.3 TR3.8 ASS7.2 STL1.3 BLK0.1 PPG17.9
Look at the minutes he logged with his bad ankle: 40.3 pg!!!
He later recovered on FG% and 3PT% but he was still playing hurt.
Check the stats and you will also see that his PPG average dropped after the injury when he let his team get more shots and was trying to protect his ankle by driving less to the basket: HE IS UNSELFISH and SMART. It is not lack of heart!!!!
During the playoffs, he was STILL injured and then twisted his ankle AGAIN.
Also: we were not playing with Marvin in the line up (in case you missed that one too, here is the reminder) and AL got hurt as well.
THE WEIGHT WAS ALL ON JJ’s shoulders, whilst PLAYING INJURED and against double and TRIPLE TEAMS!!!!! AND BAD REFS!!!!
For goodness sakes man, give the man a break!!!!
Ken Strickland
August 21st, 2009
7:47 am
VAVA74-remember, some people can’t allow facts or actual circumstance to get in the way of making their points. The fact that he’s led the team in scoring and assists every yr he’s been here, or he’s been the teams DEF stopper and selected to 2 consecutive Allstar gms isn’t as important as one subpar playoff performance. Forget the fact that during our playoff series against the Celtics they had trouble stopping him, even with double/triple teams, and Bibby had an awful series. Forget the fact he was injured, yet continued to play while leading the NBA in mins played, again.
For some of our fans, it’s like witnessing a car hit a pedestrian and then holding the car responsible rather than the person driving the car.