True or False in Hawksville!

What's Joe Johnson going to do, take the extension or leave it? Hawks fans want to know.

What's Joe Johnson going to do, take the Hawks' extension offer or leave it? No one knows because the Hawks' quiet All-Star and captain isn't saying.

HAWKSVILLE - While we wait for this week’s transaction(s) to be completed, why don’t we dive into a quick game of True or False-Hawksville style.

True or False, Joe Smith is going to sign with the Hawks?

True. And it could happen any day (if you haven’t leaned by now how critical that phrase is around here, I can’t help you). So what’s the hold up? Well, these contracts don’t work themselves out magically. They have to be negotiated and fine-toothed by agents and attorneys and whoever else has a stake in them. It’s not rocket science on this one, a one-year deal at the veteran’s minimum (of $1.3 million). I’d tell you to be patient and that things will work out but you’ve been doing that for weeks now. Again, the deal could be finalized any day now, so stay tuned.

True or False, the Hawks are interested in adding Jason Hart to their point guard mix?

False. It was reported somewhere that the Hawks were one of three teams in the running to add the veteran to their mix. I’ve since found out that someone got it twisted. The Hawks were never in the market for Hart (or any other point guard they were interested in adding). They’ve got Mike Bibby, Jeff Teague and veteran safety net in Jamal Crawford. If the Hawks were going to add another 6-3 point or combo guard to their mix they could have retained Flip Murray rather than hitting the free agent market for someone else. And before you ask, no, they do not have designs on bringing Flip back (that’s right, no more FlipMo Squad references around here).

True or False, the Hawks will add another veteran big man or two in addition to Joe Smith?

True. And we’ve already discussed two guys in particular, Johan Petro and Jason Collins, that could be in that mix. And that doesn’t include rookie behemoth Garret Siler, who will be on the Hawks’ training camp roster. But all of those reasonable fears about this team’s size and depth on the frontline could be wiped away with the addition of any two of these aforementioned larger humans.

True or False, the Hawks’ ownership feud is officially over?

Not exactly true or false. But things took a decisive turn with Monday’s court ruling in favor of the seven-man Atlanta/Washington, D.C., contingent. The options for the other partner, Boston-based Steve Belkin, were mapped out in today’s paper. One more option Belkin has that wasn’t listed: he can just walk away from his initial investment in the teams. He wouldn’t have to pay the $25.8 million in cash calls he’s missed during the litigation but he would also have to forfeit his 30 percent ownership stake. It will be interesting to see where things go from here.

True or False, the Hawks will sign Joe Smith before Joe Johnson agrees to a contract extension?

True. Barring a sudden change in the tone I’m hearing from folks in the know, Mr. Smith will definitely beat JJ to the punch on this one. In fact, no one seems to know which way JJ is leaning since the Hawks extended their offer for an extension. We’ve already talked about the figures (4-years, $62-$64 million range). It’s a huge decision and JJ has time, it’s not like he has to decide this minute. So I didn’t expect his process to be sped up just for our sake. If nothing shakes (one way or the other) by the start of training camp … then it might be time to start wondering what the heck is going on.

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A Tribe Called Quest

August 19th, 2009
4:58 pm

FIRE MIKE WOODSON

ATL.BIRDS

August 19th, 2009
5:09 pm

GIVE WODDY A CONTRACT EXTENSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jerrywest

August 19th, 2009
5:18 pm

Sekou – Great blog. Thanks for clearing up a lot of counfusions.

3 more questions.

1.

When “vet-min” was first established, the teams were suppose to pay the minimum rookie salary and the league paid all the raise for “Vet” which was most of $. Is that still the case? Does Joe count rookiey-minimum against the cap?

2.
How does Jamal+Bibby backcourt work?
JJ+Jamal is one of the best backcourt duo in the NBA.
On the defensive end Jamal+Bibby is one of the worst backcourt due ever.

3.
We could use 3 backups – a big man, a big point guard and a big swingman (bigger than Mo). Could Sund pull another coup by trading Mo-square (Evans+Morris) for an upgrade in one of these 3 positions? Just like the Crawford trade. Teams could buy out Mo next year. This would also open up another roster spot.

ATL.BIRDS

August 19th, 2009
5:19 pm

Joe Johnson needs to be signed before the 2010 free agency begins. If not, he will command more money. Lets get it done Hawks!!!!!

Show me state

August 19th, 2009
5:23 pm

Let’s go Hawks!!!!

Siler Fan

August 19th, 2009
5:27 pm

I want to see Siler on the regular season roster. Dude’s an absolute beast and still learning the game. If anything, this year, he can give our big men a breather and push some people around.

jerrywest

August 19th, 2009
5:31 pm

JJ has every reason to take a lower salary to stay with the Hawks. A small raise would give him significantly worse team. Check how Tim Dunkin signed a lower deal to make sure that his team can get better players around him. This won’t be JJ’s first large contract, nor his last contract. Why would he take risk of injury for a whole year? We saw Bibby/Zaza/Marvin happily sign recession deals. This is JJ’s team. Why would he not sign this deal happily?

cdog

August 19th, 2009
5:36 pm

SIGN JOE SMITH, JERMAINE O’NEAL, AND GARRETT SILER AND CALL IT A SUMMER ON BIG MEN.FIND A WAY TO KEEP HUNTER AND MARIO WEST

cdog

August 19th, 2009
5:36 pm

SIGN JOE SMITH, JERMAINE O’NEAL, AND GARRETT SILER AND CALL IT A SUMMER ON BIG MEN.FIND A WAY TO KEEP HUNTER AND MARIO WEST

MannyT

August 19th, 2009
5:39 pm

Sekou,

I think I recall during the trail that some of the Spirit ownership (Sydel?) opted not to make their cash calls and their ownership levels were diluted.

Seems like Belkin is savvy enough to have an idea of what his share is worth versus the cash call dilution. In that case, he could decide not to put any more money in, but maintain some level of ownership instead of losing all of his initial investment.

I have not seen any documentation on the ownership deal, but it seems that the option would be there since it was exercised earlier this year.

There may be more clarity, but I would not call it a clear situation yet.

BWAF

hmmmm.......

August 19th, 2009
6:02 pm

Add another big. And this season is make or break for woodson

BrittishAnger

August 19th, 2009
6:24 pm

jgsbirds

August 19th, 2009
6:31 pm

this team is starting to shape up. all this chemistry good pay big dividends early in the year. need to win a lot of games early before the others teams newcomers start to gel.

Bertie

August 19th, 2009
6:37 pm

Sekou,
Local papers in San Juan reported that 7″3″ center Peter John Ramos was not going to play this week in a tournament prior to the FIBA Americas Championship because he was in Houston for a visit with the Rockets. They also mentioned that the Hawks were sending a scout to the tournament, that starts August 28 in San Juan, to evaluate Ramos.

He was drafted at 19 y.o. in the 2nd round of the 2004 draft by the Wizards and spent one or two years on the bench and in the NBDL. Now he is 24 y.o., has played the last two seasons in Spain improving his game and himself tremendously. Keep an eye on him during the tournament, he might get an invite to the Hawks’ training camp.

Sam

August 19th, 2009
6:39 pm

I AM SO EXCITED FOR THIS SEASON

O'Brien

August 19th, 2009
6:40 pm

Sekou,

Any idea if Sund is looking to add a backup SF? (I like Mo Evans, but he is only 6′5″, so we need somebody 6′8″). Or is that Woody will play JJ some at SF, so Sund will not add another SF?

Assuming the Hawks add Joe Smith and at least one or two more big guys (especially veterans), Sund will have exceeded my expectations. Good job so far.

Ken Strickland

August 19th, 2009
6:46 pm

Since we already have MEvans, Teague, CCrawford, ZPachulia and RMorris under contract, adding JSmith would leave only one open slot on our 12 man roster. Considering how little interest Woodson has shown in developing or utilizing rookie projects like Siler, adding him would almost guarantee him little playing time.

I see us adding a vet Big as the 12 man, and I see us adding Siler to the practice squad, assuming we sign him. I wouldn’t be surprised to see MWest and/or TGardner added to the practice squad as well.

Mystikal

August 19th, 2009
6:52 pm

SEKOU,

THANKS AGAIN, for the update. Know we really appreciate you keeping us in the know. One last question, do you know if at all they are looking at any backup small forwards? Maybe a Gerald Green, Carney, or Korolev/Hunter from training camp. Was just curious, this has been one of the greatest off-seasons for us. Glad Sund is getting it done and hopefully Woody will keep it moving.

I MUS WRITE

August 19th, 2009
6:52 pm

Sign Siler/Petro and show Randolph the door. Trade Mo Evans for Damion Wilkins.
Jeezuz….Anybody else tired of the Brett Favre romance.

CDOG- Jermaine Oneal is under contract with Miami

ant banks

August 19th, 2009
6:54 pm

when you don’t have anything significant to say, just type “Fire Woody!” or “We need to re-sign Flip!” damn i wish that the season started tomorrow. alot of iddle chatter goin’ on around here.

UGA

August 19th, 2009
6:59 pm

Sekou,
Very nice article.
Petro and Collins would be nice additions. We all know our starting 5 will not play in all 82 games and we need some depth.

Is that too many centers to have?? ZaZa, Morris, Petro and Collins
Do we need another wing player like a Carney, Gerald Green or one of the Graham twins as well??

JAMES KIRKLAND

August 19th, 2009
7:00 pm

DAMIAN WILKINS, ENOUGH SAID!!!

The Truth

August 19th, 2009
7:00 pm

Sekou

Good job, we needed to hear some answers to lingering questions bloggers have posed about the status with this team. One of the Big you mentioned, Jason Collins, I really hope we can avoid him. Among other things, this guy is a terrible free-throw shooter. He could be liability in critical games. Even Morris shoots a better percentage. I know we are at the bottom of the barrel for Bigs, but it must be some better quality then him.

jerrywest

August 19th, 2009
7:03 pm

10 reasons Joe Smith is what the Dr ordered.

10. Pick and Roll.
9. He plays bigger than his size.
8. The elite teams get free agents like Joe for Veteran minimum. Cleveland wanted him. Hawks haven’t signed a FA like Joe in a long time. Hopefully, this will open a flood gate in the next few years.
7. He signed for Veteran Minimum which means the league will pay most of his salary and the Hawks will pay only the portion equal to rookie-miniumum.
6. He can play defense and offense for 10-15 minutes a game at a very high level. The other team won’t make a run when two of our starting big men are in foul trouble.
5. He signed for 1 year (short contract- no consequence on future cap space)
4. Playoff tested. He was injured against the Hawks, but he was awesome against the Pistons in the 1st round.
3. His midrange shots will open up the lane for JJ/Crawford/Teague to penetrate.
2. Woody has nothing to teach him. Joe will work fine on autopilot.
1. Joe will guide Josh/Al/Zaza on how to play each player in the NBA. Their developments could make quantum big leaps playing with Joe.

jerrywest

August 19th, 2009
7:04 pm

I’d love to see Damien Wilkins here. Wolves have him under contract though.

Anakin Joe

August 19th, 2009
7:14 pm

Ken, I doubt that many teams trying to secure home court in the playoffs will carve out time for an undrafted rookie. You sign Siler so that he can spend a year practicing and learning the game. And hop that in another 1-2 seasons, he;s ready to contribute.

Glad to hear Sund is looking at Collins and Petro. And thrilled that you didn’t mention the name “Loren Woods”.

A Tribe Called Quest

August 19th, 2009
7:17 pm

WE JUST NEED TO SIGN JERMAINE, TRADE FOR SHAQ, THEN IVERSON,

GET IT DONE ASG

JK

STOP ASKING FOR JERMAINE

terrell barron

August 19th, 2009
7:47 pm

That’s a good offer for JJ, considering his playoff performance. I know, I know, he was tired. B I’d take it, if I were him.

tj stroker

August 19th, 2009
7:53 pm

Ariose

August 19th, 2009
7:58 pm

I’m tired of PPL outside of ATl saying that Roy > Joe Johnson

The Hoopsworld blog is in an uproar because Roy was left off the list. The the Editer left a not saying that he made a mistake, and he would put Roy above Joe if he were to do it over again.

Roy doesn’t get nearly as much defensive attention at Joe does….And joe is just bettter period.

What do you guys think?

mred1943

August 19th, 2009
8:09 pm

sekou
Do you have any idea what the hawks training camp roster will be

Big Ray

August 19th, 2009
8:18 pm

Heh. Well there we have it. All the yowling and mewling like around here like a bleeding kitten, and the Hawks already made an extension offer to JJ (albeit a “minor” raise to the $15.5-$16 million per year range).

And it’s JJ who gets to sit and decide if he wants to sign it. Did not some of us say that this was a possibility? That he might actually sit back and consider whether or not to sign the extension?

Jason Hart: knew that wasn’t happening. I can see where any pass-first pg fits on the bench, but not on the court under Woody. Common denominator amongst all of our guards, Teague included: initiative to shoot/score is not an issue…

John

August 19th, 2009
8:20 pm

Do not re-sign Joe Johnson he is too soft and don’t have that killer instinct that the hawks are missing from a leadership perspective. The hawks should wait until after the season and see if they can land chris bosh I’m sure he wouldn’t mind coming back too the city where he played his college b-ball at.

Big Ray

August 19th, 2009
8:23 pm

Ariose,

Newer is always better :roll: . I don’t want to get into the argument about JJ vs. Roy. Too many variables, both indigenous to the individual players themselves, and to the nature of their teams. As many times in the past as I’ve favored such comparisons (for the sake of argument), I’m more interested at this point in seeing if we can maintain our grip on respectability and competitiveness. To hell with Roy. He’s a Blazer. I’m a Hawks fan.

Ariose

August 19th, 2009
8:24 pm

Joel Bringham of Hoopsworld is starting to really annoy me.

“an effort that’s likely to be awarded heftily next summer when he very well could become the highest-profile free agent on the market to actually consider leaving his current team.”

He keeps implying(or hoping) that JJ will go elsewhere. Im so sick of this guy….

Ariose

August 19th, 2009
8:25 pm

Ray, Amen sir. Amen.

gwite

August 19th, 2009
8:29 pm

Roy is better. More clutch. Plays with more abandon(effectively). Having said all this, they are still close.

Still totally happy with Joe, but can’t see reason that he should make quite what Roy signed for. Same neighborhood though. Just a little less.

RealSquawk

August 19th, 2009
8:34 pm

thank-you Sekou

and

Woody will Refine in 09!!!

Ariose

August 19th, 2009
8:37 pm

….when Roy AVGS 25ppg then MAYBE he can come holla@Joe….

Big Ray

August 19th, 2009
8:38 pm

Unfortunately for us, Schumann is right about us lacking leadership. However, I am hoping that this is solved/evolved internally. Thing is, there are different kinds of leaders, and you don’t have to have a particularly strong, stand-alone leader. Is Dwight the same kind of leader Kobe is? I think not. And Lebron is not similar to either, really.

Perhaps a sense of cohesion and unity is more important at this point. From that fertile ground, leadership can sprout. A team of guys who are together at all times, both high and low, can overcome much.

Leadership doesn’t have to be a forceful, constant thing. It can be the simple action of rising to the occasion when needed. And even that can be shared amongst two or more persons. Perhaps this team is better served by striving after an unbreakable cohesion and the occasional game-take-over by whomever can do it best. Perhaps we should be looking for that, rather than waiting for guys like Bibby, JJ, and others to be something they are naturally not.

cp

August 19th, 2009
8:41 pm

Collins is trash. I would rather see RandyMo play than that guy… We need a back up sf with some size. Love the hustle and hard work from Mo but he is not big enough. Watching that Boston game on NBA Tv really pushed home the point that he cant guard the bigger guys. Gerald Green is available and would come cheap. Kid is only like 23. Give him a cheap two year deal and let him grow with our other youngsters. Siler, Hunter, and Green and call it a day.

Big Ray

August 19th, 2009
8:44 pm

Ariose,

I like Hoopsworld for some things, but some of those guys are just nutjobs. Their blog sucks. Ours (Sekou’s) rocks. Hah!

And lots of teams/fans/front offices want JJ to leave. Trust me, they do. Not because they hate the Hawks, but because JJ is a PLAYA.

True Hawks Fan

August 19th, 2009
8:50 pm

I went to college with Garret. He’s a genuine good person.

BrittishAnger

August 19th, 2009
9:09 pm

Ken Strickland has a point about the developmental position we’re putting ourselves in regarding our bench beyond what is spots 11 and 12, so I’ve come to a new crack-pot theory on how to resolve this; D-League reserves. We sent some of the deeper players on the bench to play with our D-League team during small chunks of last season; why not send somebody in with a specific agenda and bring them in when we’re either hurting and need them during the season or next season when the opportunity to hedge some of those potential problems with free agency next summer? When Joe Smith becomes an official decision, we’ll have a team that is 12 deep (assuming ‘Rio comes back), leaving at best one spot for a solid big man, one for another swing forward, and one for a swing guard (I have a theory that if every player capable of playing PG broke their hand, ‘Rio would be leading the squad up the court). I still need to take that night-time class on NBA economics and how contract wording could allow it to happen without it counting against any serious cap space, but rather than find ourselves lacking at these positions again come next summer, I think it would be prodigious improvement to know we don’t lack at these positions come next summer, and know that our depth would be more than capable of dealing with any injury situations that could come our way. So, in a nutshell and in crazy blogger so everybody gets it: SIGN SILER TO A MINIMUM AND SEND HIM TO D-LEAGUE! Ramma ramma “Take it to teh Hole” ramma rah….

BrittishAnger

August 19th, 2009
9:11 pm

….and if I can sneak it in…one, two three four, forty-FIFTH!!!!

doc

August 19th, 2009
9:16 pm

ariose, roy is better ball handler and on defense, going to the hole, making clutch shots, going for high numbers or going off for a whole game and he plays with more energy. other than that no better than jj. heh heh still say the two of them would have been like the knicks of old in clyde frazier and pearl monroe except hugher, stupid billy knight. sorry love jj but love roy even more.

The Truth

August 19th, 2009
9:25 pm

I still like the idea of trading Mo Evans for a 2010 expiring contract to free some cash since JJ extra 1M will be due next year assuming he resign. If trading Mo isn’t doable then we should rescind our 1M qualifying offer to Mario. I just don’t see the point of keeping two 6’-5” SG/SF players for spot duty when we are trying to cut cost. Also, it might be necessary to continue to tweak the roster more with better FAs. Cap will be needed in a bad economy and right now, it’s looking tight assuming we fill out the 2009 roster. We should know from this year that these quality FAs don’t come cheap. Sund should get an earlier jump on the quality FAs next year since he won’t be burden with trying to resign the core.

Big Ray

August 19th, 2009
9:52 pm

Somebody get that ladle away from Doc . Apparently he learned how to do more with the pot than just serve people. :twisted:

Big Ray

August 19th, 2009
9:55 pm

Meant to say that he learned more at the soup kitchens than just how to serve people..

Big Ray

August 19th, 2009
10:12 pm

okay, back to….zzzzzzzzzzzzzz….