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With the starting five (plus a few more) back and under contract for the foreseeable future, the Hawks have at least given themselves a fighting chance to compete with the big boys.

With the starting five (plus a few more) back and under contract for the foreseeable future, the Hawks have at least given themselves a fighting chance to compete with the big boys (photo courtesy of my main man and former AJC photographer Pouya Dianat).

HAWKSVILLE - If continuity means anything in the NBA these days, the Hawks have done right by their own this summer.

Marvin Williams touched on it last week during a conversation we had the day before he signed his new contract, and again this afternoon in a teleconference with the media to discuss his new deal. A day after my initial talk with Williams, Al Horford and I discussed continuity briefly while he took a break from his work with the Basketball Without Borders program.

Dating back to last summer and extending all the way through training camp this year, the Hawks (if they can come to terms with captain and All-Star Joe Johnson on an extension) will have spent millions to keep their core in place for the foreseeable future.

“I think management is making the commitment to keep us together,” Williams said Tuesday. “And each year we’ve gotten better.”

Josh Smith’s $58 million deal was the first domino, albeit an offer sheet from Memphis to the restricted free agent power forward last summer that the Hawks matched before the ink was dry on the offer sheet. That swift move was followed up this summer with deals for Mike Bibby (3-years, $18 million), Zaza Pachulia (4-years, $19 million) and Williams (5-years, $37.5 million-base). Johnson’s 4-year extension, if signed, would be in the $64 million-range.

Full disclosure, math was never my strongest subject in school. But that’s a lot of cash spent, rightfully, on the heart, soul and guts of your team. Any team dreaming of winning big at the NBA level has to invest in its core or risk vanishing into the ether.

 

When Al Horord talks, people listen.

When Hawks center Al Horord talks,in English or Spanish, people tend to listen.

What the Hawks have done is neither groundbreaking nor extraordinary in the world of professional sports. But for a franchise mired in a malaise of mediocrity for the better part of a decade prior to the last 13 months, it’s a pretty impressive feat. ”Obviously, I think it’s pretty important to build on to what we’ve started,” Horford said during our phone conversation last week. And he would know, having played on successful teams every year of his college and professional career to date. “I’m glad Marv got his deal done, because we’re going to need all our guys back and ready to go this season.”

By no means does this excuse the Hawks from the responsibility of filling out the roster with quality players capable of supporting that core group. But it certainly helps that the core is in place right now – a nucleus with three wildly talented youngsters in Horford, Williams and Smith. That would be a heck of a core group by itself. So to have JJ, Bibby, Zaza, rookie Jeff Teague and even Jamal Crawford to add to the list makes the list that much more impressive. It’ll look even better with the addition of a name like Joe Smith, still in the works according to some well-placed sources that insist the Hawks won’t give up until someone pries Smith from their dead claws.

Will it win a championship in a league where the defending champion Los Angeles Lakers have stockpiled elite talent to go around Kobe Bryant and the Boston Celtics have assembled a star-studded army to battle the Lakers, Cleveland and Orlando for supremacy? No way. But the same can be said for solid young teams in places like Portland and Chicago as well. That’s just the reality of the situation.

What a rock-solid core does is give the Hawks a fighting chance to be relevant now and into the future. And despite cries for titles (things, mind you, that Hawks fans have never experienced) relevancy is the tangible goal that all teams must focus on before moving into championship mode.

Having witnessed my favorite team’s lone championship season of my lifetime (scroll down to the bottom, it’s there, I swear), I can sympathize with the desire to shed the middle ground for the higher ground. Having witnessed that championship season also made it painfully clear to me just how rare those occasions are, even when you have seemingly all the resources in the world at your disposal, that your squad actually cashes in on the big prize.

Would I trade 40 years of rooting for a a competitive or even upper-tier team for one title? Absolutely. But if I can get both, even if the titles only come once every 50 years, I’m not turning that down either. Back to my original point, and I apologize for swerving off course a bit but it is football season (and I smell a comeback season cooking in Ann Arbor), it all comes down to perspective for me.

Is it more important to be relevant and potentially a true player or not? I say stay relevant (given whatever constraints might be in place, and it’s no secret the Hawks have many) as long as you can. We’ve all seen the flip side and it’s ugly, real ugly.

Where the Hawks fit in the grand scheme of things depends on your perspective, as well. If being the fourth team in a three-team Eastern Conference race doesn’t strike you, that’s understandable. And they will have challenger for that fourth spot. But they certainly seems sure of themselves.

“I feel like people are obviously starting to respect our ball club,” Williams said during his teleconference. “People realize they are not going to come into Atlanta and get an easy win. I don’t think anybody in the league is doing that anymore. We’ve shown the last few years we can compete with anybody in the league. We certainly feel like we can compete with anybody in the league.”

488 comments Add your comment

JM

August 11th, 2009
3:49 pm

First.

wiggle, wiggle! Thanks sir links.

Anakin Joe

August 11th, 2009
3:51 pm

From last blog.

Ken, if Salim messed up, Woody would bring in Joe. If Acie… Bibby. If Solo – Josh Smith. See the pattern? He would answer a bonehead play by bringing in a player (who presumably) would be LESS likely to make another 2 more bonehead plays. And by doing that, the player learns AND the team has an improved chance to win. If Marvin continues to mess up and Othella Hunter is the only available substitute, then Woody would likely be doing the team a tremendous disservice. Because chances are, every 2 Marvin mistakes would become 4-5 mistakes from Hunter. I don’t consider that being inconsistent, I think that is keeping the ultimate goal in mind. Giving yourself the best chance to win the game at hand. Sure, when we were a “re-building” team, player development was the primary goal. We have passed that phase now. And if Marvin continues to make the same mistake and hurt the team, then Sund either needs to find a better bench substitute or get Marvin out the door (the use of Marvin as an example was illustrative only and for the reading pleasure of Sam/Rod).

niremetal

August 11th, 2009
3:58 pm

That all sounds great until you get to the end of the season and all your best players are tired, sore, and dragging…

JM

August 11th, 2009
3:58 pm

Now to the blog. So Sekou, if we lock up our core, and ownership wants to keep the core together, how do the Hawks get a game changing 5 in the next couple years. Or is this going to be it? I don’t think we are at championship level now, but how do we get the 5 most people think we need to get to the next level? I say trade Marvin if there is interest next season. Someone has to go to get a legit big in the near future.

O'Brien

August 11th, 2009
4:05 pm

From last blog.

If I’m the head coach, and my star player pounds the ball too long, disrupting my team’s offense, I would be constantly in his ear telling him to pass the ball. But Woody lets JJ do whatever he wants. I agree JJ should know better, and the other players need to get open. However, it all starts with the head coach.

After all, whose responsibility is it to:
1) call plays to get the front court more shots?
2) have the team run more screens to get JJ some easy shots?
3) call plays to get Marvin more open looks
4) call more plays for Josh around the basket?

I blame Woody and JJ for the iso, but ultimately, Woody is in charge, so he gets most of the blame.

Sekou Smith

August 11th, 2009
4:16 pm

You need your core locked up so you can move pieces later to get it right JM. You’re going to move somebody at some point, that’s just a given. In most cases you have to give up an asset or two to get a valuable asset, or two, in return.

In the meantime, it serves the Hawks well to have their core group under contract (and reasonable contracts in just about every case) so they’ll have the flexibility to wheel and deal when they plateau. And that’s when, and only when, you take a jackhammer to this team. The minute they stop climbing is when you start moving pieces around.

Anakin Joe

August 11th, 2009
4:17 pm

And player development sounds great when you’re winning 26 games and you start looking at draft possibilities during the All-Star break. The ultimate, is to add depth with players whose best years weren’t in the AAU.

Anakin Joe

August 11th, 2009
4:17 pm

What is the measurement that our offense doesn’t work? The playoffs?

JM

August 11th, 2009
4:28 pm

Best case scenario would be able to move up in the draft next year to get an up and coming 5, but i doubt that will happen so someone has to go and I would move Marvin. That plateau may come sooner than we think, Sekou.

Truth Hurts

August 11th, 2009
4:28 pm

By O’brien

Remember that game when Bibby passed the ball to an open Josh (who then missed his 20 ft jump shot)? Woody yelled at Bibby, saying he should not have passed it to Josh. Bibby yelled back at Woody, saying (and I paraphrase) “Josh was open, so I passed it to him. If you dont want him shooting those shots, then tell him not to hang out that far from the basket”.

That was just one example, but in my opinion, it’s on Woody for not being more creative offensively. How many games did we lose (especially the first 3 years (before Bibby) when we had the last shot, but the whole world knew JJ would pound the ball, and then force a bad shot at the buzzer? How about trusting other players?

Woody has no offensive creativity. If I’m the head coach, and my star player pounds the ball too long, disrupting my team’s offense, I would be constantly in his ear telling him to pass the ball. But Woody lets JJ do whatever he wants. I agree JJ should know better, but it starts with the head coach.

After all, whose responsibility is it to:
1) call plays to get the front court more shots?
2) have the team run more screens to get JJ some easy shots?
3) call plays to get Marvin more open looks
4) call more plays for Josh around the basket?

I blame Woody and JJ for the iso, but ultimately, Woody is in charge, so he gets most of the blame.

Anakin Joe

August 11th, 2009
4:30 pm

This team has not plateaued but Woodson has. I just have too much of his butt hair in my eyes to see it.

Mike

August 11th, 2009
4:34 pm

And let’s remember that we were a 4 seed and won 47 games with 3 starters ages 23 and younger. Continued improvement will mean 50 + wins and actually making the 2nd round competitive. You can’t break up a core when many of them havent even come close to entering their prime. Now while I agree that Woodys coaching style holds these guys back we still have way too much to look forward to this season.

As these guys improve and get even more experience the gap will close this season and beyond. Now if we can add the veteran big (joe smith), we will have a nice 10 man rotation. And if Woody can use it correctly we will have some fresh legs come playoff time.

Truth Hurts

August 11th, 2009
4:37 pm

The measurment of our offense is how consistant it is. Our offense is not consistent. Strike that it’s Woodsons offense that isn’t consistant. The playoffs showed that or does anybody think that Miami is nearly as good as the Hawks even though they have Dwane Wade? What players are being added to the team this year that had their best years in aau? That was last year.

UGA

August 11th, 2009
4:37 pm

Sekou,

I want Joe Smith.

But, is Mikki Moore or Brian Skinner being mentioned with the Hawks???

Anakin Joe

August 11th, 2009
4:38 pm

I floss my teeths with Woodrows butt hair.

UGA

August 11th, 2009
4:40 pm

Anakin Joe,

Is there something wrong with you? That’s just nasty.

Anakin Joe

August 11th, 2009
4:41 pm

I like it when Woody slips me his woody.

Mike

August 11th, 2009
4:43 pm

Anakin Joe…I definitely agree with you about Woodson. The second round is as far as he will ever get us. But the core of our team has the potential to go much farther together. Hopefully Sund will realize this before its too late

Mike

August 11th, 2009
4:51 pm

well agree with most of what you said about Woody

All I'm Saying Is...

August 11th, 2009
5:02 pm

To all you Woody haters: Billy Knight signed Woody and rest assured that Rick Sund will use Woody’s last year on his deal and our accomplishments this season to determine whether Rick keeps him around and that will work as long as we handle our business on the floor and at a minimum match what we did last season (i.e. no worse than a #4 seed and win the first round series). If we don’t match last years performance, pencil in Avery as the next coach.

Sekou: Re-signing our core (i.e. players drafted by or traded for by Billy Knight) is a smart move by Rick Sund and he is to be commended for drafting Teague and adding Crawford. And signing Joe Smith may be a plus but Sund has not addressed our most glaring need: Center. Count me as one of many who believe that we need big bodies and/or defensive pressure in the middle. Adding Joe Smith will help but signing Siler is a move we have to make given that we made no effort to get Tyson Chandler or Theo Ratliff, both of whom would have been a worthy Center to add to our squad given our need in that spot.

UGA: Mikki Moore has no game. Granted, he’s 7′ and can run the floor but I’ve never seen the guy display any skill other than taking up space and given his spindly frame he doesn’t even do that well.

LET’S GO HAWKS!

GeeMack

August 11th, 2009
5:06 pm

Well Sekou, get the jackhammer ready because next year this team will peak. If they get 3 more wins this season. I will be shocked. The Hawks are the 5th best team in the east behind (Bos, Cle, Orl, and a healthy Wash). Notice the resemblence of those team. They all trot out 3 all stars in there starting line up.

Mike,

Woody is not the problem with this team its talent. You can’t beat a Bos, Cle, Orl, LA, or SA when they have far better talent. You take the best player on the Hawks (JJ), and he’s the 3 or 4th best players on one of those teams including washington.

So you can’t fire Woody until you give him the player that can win.

UGA

August 11th, 2009
5:13 pm

As far as Mikki Moore, look how well he played against the Hawks last year. He had 10 boards against us one game. My only point is if we strike out on Joe Smith, we have to get someone and he may be the best left.

Sautee

August 11th, 2009
5:28 pm

AJ,

For me, it’s the old eye test. We won 47 games, yes, but we looked butt ugly winning many of them. (Still, I wouldn’t give any of the 47 back) ;-)

When we shot well, the offense was considered to have worked. That doesn’t mean it was well conceived. It was not. Our shooters had to overcome our lack of imagination.

Case in point, how many not GREAT, but just GOOD plays do you remember coming out of timeouts? Just a solid play to get a good look?

That’s what I thought.

And how many times did we refuse to adjust on offense? Let me count the ways.

No, on second thought, I don’t have that much time.

Ernest

August 11th, 2009
5:28 pm

Sekou, who checks for posts eaten by the ‘blog monster’ on your blogs? Usually when I give it an hour it shows up but it’s been a while now…

Rod from College Park

August 11th, 2009
5:35 pm

Please notice the picture above. If you look closely, there is about an inch difference between Joe, Josh, Marvin and Al. I have argued with some people on this blog mostly about Marvin and Josh. Reading the blog before the last one, someone again made the ignorant statement that Marvin is our best perimeter defender. That is just not true, so please think before you type. Out of our starters, the best defensive players are hands down Joe and Josh. Both are able to defend multiple positions, Joe from the 1 to the 3 and Josh from the 5 to the 2. That is not to say that they can do it on a consistent basis, or do a great job, but they can, and have done it during their careers. Marvin can only defend the 3 and sometimes the 2 but lacks the lateral quickness to guard most 2’s in the league. He will get his lunch taken by 95% of the 4’s in the league. Being that the blog topic is about the core staying together, I would propose that for the Hawks to be as successful as they want to be this year, they will have to play small ball. I think that by midseason or maybe at the beginning of the season, Woodson will have to realize that his best starting lineup will be Bibby/Teague (1), Jamal (2), Joe(3), Josh (4) and Horford (5). Marvin, Teague/Bibby, Zaza first off the bench. Joe can play the 3 and will have an advantage offensively against most 3 ’s in the league, especially with the iso Joe play. Jamal will be needed on the floor with Joe to take pressure off of Joe, and to put another strong offensive presence, and ball handler on the floor that teams have to respect. Obviously teams do not respect Josh, Marvin or Al enough offensively to not leave them wide open. With Crawford on the floor, I pray that teams do double and triple Joe. Just my 2 cents.

S.L

August 11th, 2009
5:44 pm

Hey Sekou,

Good article – didnt know you were a Michigan Man. Go Blue (and hope we have a better season this year). Back to the Hawks – If we can get a little bit of size in the addition to a proven veteran ie – Joe Smith, and maybe an additional athlete ie- Stromile Swift then the Hawks have a chance to not only maintain that 4spot but could fight for the 3rd spot if Teague, and Crawford impress and of course we stay healthy. The More bigs the better we need some bodies to throw at the Cavs, Boston and even Orlando. Should be a good year nonetheless – GO hawks

Rufus1

August 11th, 2009
5:45 pm

I am HAPPY!!!

I know that one day we will have to trade Marvin or Josh, but I am glad we will have them for a few more years. I would have liked to have a new coach by now, but I will be happy just having the cake and not eating it.
It will come down which player develops the trait each is missing to be a STAR(Marvin-Aggression Josh-a Jump shot). I believe that will day the Hawks will be championship bound.

Imagine It

Eastern conf.finals
Josh goes for 35pts 12rbs 8ast and hits the game winning 3 in Lebrons face. SUCKA!!

OR

Marvin goes for 30pts 10rbs 10ast and hits a fade away jump shot in that PUNK Mo Williams grill to win it!!

I will watch with glee as those busters from Cleveland cry, because Lebron was turned away again from a Title.

Sautee

August 11th, 2009
5:48 pm

Rod,

In my opinion, iso Joe is MUCH better against 2’s than 3’s. And I’m not sure Joe can handle guarding LeBron, Pierce, Turkoglu, etc. for the entire season.

Of course if we stick with that “switch every pick” nonsense than it’s a moot point.
There IS a time for that, but not all night.

I’m sure we’ll see that lineup some, but I’ll be VERY surprised if that’s a permanent starting lineup.

Ken Strickland

August 11th, 2009
5:55 pm

GEEMACK-the team with far better talent isn’t necessarily the better team. There have been a number of teams with far better individual talent than the Spurs over the yrs, but the Spurs have proven to be the better team.

ANAKIN JOE-I can see why you are such a Woodson supporter. You seem to share his unwillingness to see beyond the obvious, and like him you can’t seem to accept that you just might be wrong. Both of you blame the players for everything that’s wrong with the team.

Ramon

August 11th, 2009
6:02 pm

Everyone is talking about a game changing 5, that is funny. There is really only 3 to 6 of those in the league. Someone real quick name 6 centers in the league better than Horford. After you do that, remember this is only his 3rd season he’s entering. Many of you want another center but would any of you REALLY trade Horford for Oden today? If Luc Longley, Bill Wennington, Greg Ostertag, and others play at the 5 was good enough not to prevent their team from going to the finals, I don’t see how Horford wouldn’t be. I mentioned those two teams because neither one of those team had a PF with said C taller than 6′9. If you don’t believe many C’s around the league respect Horford and have their own problems with him at that position, then look again. Yao Ming is the only C who is a game changer and available. Biedrins, Chandler, Okafor, Curry, Dampier, Perkins, Nene, B. Miller, and others are players who produce less than Horford, yet all except for Biedrins have already peaked or entered into their prime. And Biedrins doesn’t have any better chance matching up to Howard and Shaq than Horford. Horford didn’t get owned in the paint except for when he was in foul trouble and had no one to BACK him up. But as far as starting C’s in this league, what we have is better than 75% of the league, and still getting better. Honestly, this is the best starting 5 talent wise that I EVER remember the Hawks having (including Nique’s squads). And then Nique wasn’t that game changer at age 23 that would WIN games like that. Mookie’s Hawks were all in their 30s. So I say take this starting 5, and if it doesn’t reach expectations, let the coach go before anyone in the starting 5.

CTrim

August 11th, 2009
6:16 pm

Now that Powe has signed with Cleveland maybe Joe Smith comes here after all.

Stating the Obvious

August 11th, 2009
6:18 pm

Out of our starters, the best defensive players are hands down Joe and Josh. Both are able to defend multiple positions, Joe from the 1 to the 3 and Josh from the 5 to the 2.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You actually think Josh can guard a 2? Take your own advice and think before you type. Or at least watch a goddamned game before you type, RodSam.

Sautee

August 11th, 2009
6:19 pm

Ramon,

Big co-sign

fudd21

August 11th, 2009
6:23 pm

Rod, come on now man. You say that Josh can defend the 2 thru 5 but then say Marvin lacks the lateral quickness to defend the 2. You honestly believe that Josh lateral quickness is better than Marvin. Have you really paid attention when Josh is on the perimeter trying to defend someone. He doesn’t even look right trying to get in a good defensive stance. Most of the times those 3 get by him going to the hole. Now I will admit that Josh has the closing speed and uncanny ability to meet them at the rim that Marvin doesn’t but lateral quickness. Marvin does a MUCH better job of staying in front of people when guarding on the perimeter. SO I have to beg to differ with you on that one Bro.

Ken Strickland

August 11th, 2009
6:28 pm

ROD-I’m not sure you can make a blanket statement about Josh or Joe being hands down the best DEF players on our team. Josh has proven to be our best shotblocker and off the ball defender, but his on the ball DEF is lacking, oompared to AHorford, JJohnson and MWilliams. Playing a constantly switching DEF, and having a swinging door in Bibby at the point, makes it more difficult for our frontline players to concentrate on guarding the individual player they’re assigned to defend.

Marvin has developed into an excellent defender and his DEF versatility is definitely an asset. If I had to determine the best defensive player, I’d chose AHorford. He’s more physical and a better on the ball defender than JSmith, or any other player on our team, and is our best defender when going up against bigger, taller and stronger players. He’s also our 2nd best shotblocker behind JSmith. That type of versatility makes him the best candidate for the teams best defensive player.

RealSquawk

August 11th, 2009
6:32 pm

Did you ever in your wildest dreams thing a Hawks summer could go like this? If the Joes sign our team will be locked up on reasonable contracts and flexibility for the future. Something I never thought possible as a Hawks fan. And Sekou you make a great point. Lock up your talent and then make your changes accordingly. Not only do we have all of our desired pieces the prices are reasonable and we still have the rights to childress if he ever returns.

The Truth

August 11th, 2009
6:34 pm

Ken Strickland

Homeboy you are in rare form today. Keep’em on their heals. As you already know, the best defense is a good offense.

Professor

August 11th, 2009
6:34 pm

I would like to see what a new coach can do with this squad while we still have pretty much the same players. If we change the squad and the coach, then it will be said that Woodson didn’t have a team to win with. I still think this is a quality squad, especially if we can land Joe Smith.

cp

August 11th, 2009
6:34 pm

Tyson Chandler is an overpaid injury prone center. I’m glad we did not try to acquire him. Some people on here want a 7 footer regardless if the guy is good or not just so they can say we have a 7 footer. We will see what kind of numbers Tyson puts up now that he does not have CP3 throwing him those lobs.

cp

August 11th, 2009
6:36 pm

Anybody who thinks Josh Smith can defend 2 guards cannot be taken seriously ever ever ever. You lose all credibility with that nonsense.

rich

August 11th, 2009
6:40 pm

ctrim , good point I think Joe Smith is locked out of Boston, and Cleveland with the latest signing. I think we now have a good chance to land Joe.

Mystikal

August 11th, 2009
6:42 pm

Hey Sekou,

If for some reason we come out of the gate slow and have a very underwhelming record, how long before Woodson gets the axe? Not that this will happen, but just for arguments sake, what would you guess?

Rod from College Park

August 11th, 2009
6:44 pm

Stating the Obvious and fudd21,

I actually have seen Josh guard Kobe, Wade, Iggy, Carter …. You guys have such short memories. I can remember a couple years ago when Woodson thought Josh was the defensive stopper for everyone. One game in particular I seem to recall was Miami. Wade was one on one with Josh at the top of the key, drove and got his shot blocked to preserve the win in Atlanta. Wade did his notorious falling to get a call, but refs did not call it. I can recall last year Vince Carter at the end of games agianst us when he hit the game winner, Josh was defending him, not Marvin. Actually I do beleive that his lateral quickness is better, as well as his recovery ability. His shot blocking ability alone makes up for any lateral quickness he may not have. When you get by Marvin, that’s it. Not Josh. Do you guys really watch the games?

Sautee,

Not sure. I would prefer Joe defensively on Pierce and Lebron depending on foul trouble. I think he does a much better defensive job than Marvin on the perimeter. See the playoffs against Boston, Pierce’s eyes lit up everytime Marvin was guarding him. Turk, I would prefer Marvin.

niremetal

August 11th, 2009
6:45 pm

Anyone hear the Marvin conference call recording?
http://www.nba.com/media/hawks/ConfCall_Marvin_Williams_081109.mp3

He said that this summer, his focus is on improving his ballhandling (along with just practicing the usual). Let’s hope his ballhandling improves this summer as much as his three point shooting and defense improved last summer. If he can get an off-the-dribble game to complement his perimeter shot and his ability to get to (and convert from) the line…well, damn. We’d be able to have two guys on the floor at any given time (JJ/Marvin, JJ/Jamal, or Marvin/Jamal) who can score both off the dribble and standing still. It’s very tough to gameplan against a team like that.

Rod from College Park

August 11th, 2009
6:47 pm

Ken Strickland,

Stating the Obvious

August 11th, 2009
6:48 pm

RodSam,

You mean the play where Marvin started off guarding Vince but Josh switched onto him after the Nets set a double-screen for him? Oh sorry I forgot. You only watch YouTube clips of games rather than the actual games. My b.

Stating the Obvious

August 11th, 2009
6:48 pm

*JJ started off guarding Vince, not Marv.

Mystikal

August 11th, 2009
6:54 pm

Ramon,

With you on that!

Stating the Obvious

August 11th, 2009
6:56 pm

Or this shot by Wade where JJ started off guarding Vince and then Josh switched onto him after a screen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLsHMb-tnNI&feature=related

Samuel

August 11th, 2009
7:01 pm

What’s so interesting is that photo. If they are all standing on the same floor. There’s not an inch difference in any of our 4 big guys. Either Al isn’t really 6′10 or Marvin has grown an inch.

Cuz,

Glad to know we have another realist here.

Did someone here mention football. I must say that this is the first time in a long time that i’ve actually been longing for the season to start. Ole Miss pre-season #10, Mississippi State will finally have a wide open offense(Got another name for ya: Chad Bumphis, Freshman WR from Tupelo.Said he was a pro “at something” since the 5th grade), MV7 set to return to the League.

Michigan football. I don’t know about that. If it aint the SEC, it aint football.Cuz, you know that. I do like T. Pryor from OSU though.